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julian responsible pleaded guilty to one charge under the sp on act —— julian assange. we will get reaction from the us. good evening. first the conservatives, now labour — both main parties embroiled in the betting scandal. today, the tories withdrew support from two of their candidates, craig williams and laura saunders, who had bet on the timing of the election. both are on the ballot as conservatives, but will sit as independents if they are elected. and then tonight, labour suspending one of their candidates kevin craig, who reportedly had bet against himself. the party has returned £100,000 in donations the businessman had given them. there is a sense that we don't yet know the full extent of the investigation. the gambling commission says five more metropolitan police officers are alleged to have placed bets. 0ur political editor chris mason has more. this is craig williams, a friend and parliamentary aide to the prime minister. he turned down my request for an interview, but said this on social media this afternoon. i remain on the ballot paper on the lith ofjuly and i hope to secure your support after years of delivery. i committed an error ofjudgment, not an offence, and i want to reiterate my apology directly to you. that video followed this statement from the conservative party this morning... and so, on the radio at lunchtime, one key question. why has this decision been taken now, not a week or more ago? well, look, i'm as disappointed and angry as the prime minister is and various other conservative spokesmen who have commented on this in recent days. these bets should not have been placed and it is right that we've had this internal process, and that has... you know, those inquiries have led to the decision today to suspend these candidates. here's where craig williams was the mp and is hoping to be re—elected — this is welshpool in powys. i think craig williams has been incredibly stupid for such a small amount of money — for any amount of money, but for a few hundred pounds — i mean, he's an idiot, basically. well, i think it'sjust- all blown out of proportion. far more terrible things have been done in the house - of commons than this. and this is laura saunders, the conservative candidate in bristol north west who is now also no longer supported by the conservatives. i asked herfor comment today, too, and she hasn't replied. it's taken rishi sunak the best part of two weeks to act on this. that is just weak leadership. but hang on a minute — labour are disowning this guy tonight, a candidate and a donor. i'm kevin craig, and it is the honour and the privilege of my life to be labour's parliamentary candidate here in central suffolk and north ipswich. he's also being investigated by the gambling commission, a labour spokeswoman said. in a statement, mr craig said... it has been quite the day. guard of honour! amid all the political shenanigans, the metropolitan police has confirmed that another five of its officers are alleged to have placed bets on the timing of the election. we learnt of one last week. oh, and the emperor ofjapan is in london on a state visit — a yen for his thoughts on all of this stuff. chris mason, bbc news. there is a sense it is getting far and wide. what do we know? alastair jack mi . ht and wide. what do we know? alastair jack might not _ and wide. what do we know? alastair jack might not be _ and wide. what do we know? alastair jack might not be the _ and wide. what do we know? alastair jack might not be the most _ and wide. what do we know? alastair jack might not be the most famous i jack might not be the most famous cabinet minister. in the last hour or so, we open the story that he claimed, he said he had won £2100 betting on the day of the election. he told us after rishi sunak announced the election date, but before craig williams became the first political figure at the heart of this scandal. now, he said that one of those bets was at 25—1. challenged on this last week, mr jack said he had beenjoking and pulling my leg. in a statement today, he has clarified saying this. "i'm very clear that i have never on any occasion broken any gambling commission rules. i did not place any bets on the date of the general election during may, the period of investigation." rishi sunak announced the towards the end of —— the election towards the end of may. so he has said that he won money previously. he hasn't confirmed when asked whether he perhaps placed those bets in march or april. he has not denied any bets at all. he doesn't think he's broken any rules, but i suppose this is notjust about rules, but also about whether senior figures at the heart of government should be betting on these sorts of key political topics.— key political topics. there's a sense that — key political topics. there's a sense that those _ key political topics. there's a sense that those who - key political topics. there's a sense that those who passed j key political topics. there's a i sense that those who passed on information to colleagues, to friends, will haywood reported in the last hour that russell george from the senedd in wales, in the same constituency as craig williams, also placed a bet. he is also under investigation. he also placed a bet. he is also under investigation.— investigation. he is now the fifth conservative _ investigation. he is now the fifth conservative party _ investigation. he is now the fifth conservative party figure - investigation. he is now the fifth conservative party figure the - conservative party figure the watchdog commission are looking into. he's also released a statement saying he's cooperating with the investigation, with the gambling commission's work. he won't comment on the independent process as he caused it, but he has perhaps a step back from shadow cabinet. —— called it. what's fascinating about the fact that we also this evening have a labourfigure in this mix. it's notjust one party under pressure, but of course labour sources would argue that keir starmer acted very quickly with regards to kevin craig with a matter of hours. they claim it took rishi sunak almost two weeks to withdraw support from craig williams, the welsh conservative candidate. certainly, keir starmer can't claim that this isn't a scandal or problem that has affected his party, too, and certainly from all revelations, it does the impossible. there are more names coming out in the coming hours and days. coming out in the coming hours and da s. , ., , , ., ., coming out in the coming hours and da s. , , ., ., ., days. the problem is that now that it's s - read days. the problem is that now that its spread to _ days. the problem is that now that it's spread to labour, _ days. the problem is that now that it's spread to labour, it _ days. the problem is that now that it's spread to labour, it gives - days. the problem is that now that it's spread to labour, it gives the l it's spread to labour, it gives the sense of parliamentarians on the make a little bit, not to the same extent as yet as far as we know. not like the expense or scandal. we know what damage that did to the character of westminster. bind what damage that did to the character of westminster. and there is erha -s character of westminster. and there is perhaps one _ character of westminster. and there is perhaps one really _ character of westminster. and there is perhaps one really interesting - is perhaps one really interesting comparison there, that you sort of non—jew, christian, that the expenses scandal was a story that blew up —— that you sort of touched on, christian. this was the way many mps argue. you sort of talked up salary, it was only when all of the details were built up that people realise that this was something that was really wrong and inappropriate. some might argue that this sort of practice for around betting around politics and dates may have been going on for a decade, but is only the focus at the heart of an election and a particular key people, which has led to perhaps politicians and aid reassessing whether their practice is appropriate. whether their practice is appr0priate-_ whether their practice is aroriate. ~ ., ,, whether their practice is a- --roriate. , ., ~ ., ,, appropriate. joe pike, thank you very much _ appropriate. joe pike, thank you very much indeed. _ in the next hour, the wikileaks founder, julian assange, will land in the northern mariana islands, an american territory in the south pacific where he is due to appear in court to plead guilty to one charge under the espionage act. mr assange was released from prison last night and flown by private jet via bangkok to saipan. the plea deal he's struck with prosecutors carries a custodial sentence, but assange has already served five years for breaching bail conditions, and so will be released immediately for time served. it brings to a close a 1li—year saga in which mr assange has fought extradition, first hiding out at the ecuadorian embassy in london, then fighting extradition from a prison cell at belmarsh. mr assange's wife, stella assange, spoke this morning to the bbc�*s today programme. i don't want to say too much until it's been signed off by a judge, but the important thing here is that the deal involves time served, that if he signed it, he would be able to walk free. joining me from washington is charlie savage, new york times national security and legal reporter. it's lovely to have you on the programme. you wrote a piece today in which you said it was an ambiguous end to this long—running legal saga, which hasjeopardised the ability of otherjournalists to report on military information or diplomatic information. can you explain that? diplomatic information. can you explain that?— explain that? this is from the pempeetive — explain that? this is from the pempeetive of _ explain that? this is from the perspective of press - explain that? this is from the i perspective of press freedoms, regardless of what you think of julian assange the person and his various actions. it was an unprecedented act for the usjustice unprecedented act for the us justice department to charge unprecedented act for the usjustice department to charge him under the espionage act in 2019. for the active gathering and publishing secret government information. that had never before happened in the united states where we have a strong protection for press freedoms, it doesn't matter whether you count as a journalist or not. there is a debate about that surrounding mr assange, because the law doesn't protect the status of being journalist, it protects the activity. this was really crossing the rubicon for the us government to charge him under the trump administration, and then continuing under the vita administration. sort of a bipartisan push to establish the these actions that were never treated as a crime before can let someone injail —— the biden administration. this result means on the one hand that the prosecutors have successfully convicted someone for the active gathering and publishing government secrets. you would argue — publishing government secrets. you would argue that has a pretty chilling effect in the united states and because he's an australian citizen and unlikely to come to the united states or be allowed in, this presumably won't be tested in the supreme court. $1150 presumably won't be tested in the supreme court-— supreme court. also because -icall supreme court. also because typically in — supreme court. also because typically in plea _ supreme court. also because typically in plea deals, - supreme court. also because typically in plea deals, we - supreme court. also because - typically in plea deals, we expect the same will be here, and both parties agree that the facts constitute a violation of the law that was charged and give up their right to challenge result. we had been expecting that whenever the extradition proceedings in your country finally ended, if they resulted in him being brought here to face trial, he would file a momentous constitutional challenge to the first amendment legitimacy of charging his actions under this law, it would go to supreme court, it is entirely possible that current supreme court, which is very conservative, would agree with the government's very circumscribed, narrow view of how far press freedom goes. the fact is this result while this does give the government is out, there's not a traditional ruling or a definitive supreme court ruling or a definitive supreme court ruling that says the government is right. itjust says they have a guy who got out ofjail who says these things. who got out of 'ail who says these thins. . �* , who got out of 'ail who says these thins. . �*, ., , , things. that's really interesting. you mentioned _ things. that's really interesting. you mentioned there _ things. that's really interesting. you mentioned there that - things. that's really interesting. you mentioned there that there | things. that's really interesting. i you mentioned there that there is obviously a difference in opinion as to whether he was a journalist or not. do you think that he was a tool for moscow, for the covert activities during 2016 and the run—up to the 2016 election? activities during 2016 and the run-up to the 2016 election? that's a wa of run-up to the 2016 election? that's a way of characterising _ run-up to the 2016 election? that's a way of characterising it. _ run-up to the 2016 election? that's a way of characterising it. it's - a way of characterising it. it's unarguable that he published democratic e—mails which most agree were packed by the russian government as part of covert experts to damage hillary clinton and help donald trump in the 2016 election. he timed those publications for maximal impact set on the eve of the democratic national convention, disrupting the event, the other set on a rolling basis in october of 2016 in the end game of the election. it clearly did not help hillary clinton in that very narrow case. whether he knew or was willfully blind about the origin of those e—mails that ended up on his server, i don't think has ever been established. certainly, the world was saying these were russian hacked things, and may be the counterargument would be if there is true information here that's newsworthy, they have the right to publish it. importantly here, the 2016 election interference case actions, is not part of these charges. he was not charged over the 2016 russian election interference, he was charged over the 2010 — 2011 publication of chelsea manning's leaks of diplomatic cables and documents from the military�*s wars in afghanistan. documents from the military's wars in afghanistan.— in afghanistan. important distinction. _ in afghanistan. important distinction. just _ in afghanistan. important distinction. just briefly, i in afghanistan. important. distinction. just briefly, what in afghanistan. important - distinction. just briefly, what do you think the political fallout from this would be? was it a dangerous decision forjoe biden to take and his own party even given what he set out? �* , , .. , his own party even given what he set out? ., ._ out? it's selling the case that many democrats do _ out? it's selling the case that many democrats do not _ out? it's selling the case that many democrats do not like _ out? it's selling the case that many democrats do not like julian - democrats do not likejulian assange. at the time of the 2010-2011 assange. at the time of the 2010—2011 chelsea manning leaks, he became a sort of hero to the anti—war left. because of his actions in 2016, a lot of the left here abandon him. at least the national security right, but the traditional republicans, certainly never liked him very much to begin with. he's a sort of a bit of a nomad. there's a number of people who consider him a reverend figure. you can find them on twitter. the issues surrounding his case are much bigger than whatever one thinks of him as an individual and the invocations for journalism him as an individual and the invocations forjournalism goes well beyond even the very extraordinary saga that we've been living through with him in the past decade or so. bear that in with him in the past decade or so. bearthat in mind with him in the past decade or so. bear that in mind later on wednesday in the mariana islands. charlie savage, really interesting article. thank you. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. a former engineer at the technology firm fujitsu, who helped design the horizon it system, has told the post office inquiry that he thought the software worked well, most of the time. garethjenkins was an expert witness in the prosecutions the post office brought against sub—postmasters on charges of theft and false accounting. he gave evidence in the pivotal 2010 trial of seema misra, who was jailed while pregnant. mrjenkins is now under investigation for perjury and perverting the course ofjustice. emma simpson was at today's hearing. the man in the middle spent his entire career at fujitsu. they made him a distinguished engineer. may i call garethjenkins, please? he may have known more about horizon than anyone else. so did he agree with what the judge said about it when subpostmasters eventually took the post office to court? do i take it that you accept his first finding that legacy horizon was not remotely robust? i don't accept that finding. you don't accept his finding that horizon online was susceptible to accounting flaws. there were some discrete bugs that caused problems to the accounts, but they were very discrete, and i believe that they were all well controlled and managed at the time. he became an expert witness for the post office defending horizon in more than a dozen cases. one of them was seema misra. she was sent to prison whilst pregnant. he knew about a bug in the system, but didn't mention it at her trial — crucial evidence that should have been disclosed. he says nobody told him about his legal duties as an expert witness. all i thought i had to do was answer the questions that i was being asked to answer and that, obviously, the answers had to be truthful. he apologised to seema. not good enough, she says, after seeing him for the first time after seeing him for the first time in 13 years. today i'm here to i hear from mrjenkin. why did he did what he did? that's what i want to hear. and is she getting those answers? not yet. only half a day gone yet? not yet _ he's got three more days of questions to come. emma simpson, bbc news, at the post office inquiry. its the first of the tv debates in france tonight, as voters prepare to go to the polls on sunday, in the first round of the parliamentary elections. the french prime minister gabriel attal will square up against his two main opponents, from the hard right and the hard left. for the national rallyjordan bardella, for the new france unbowed movement manuel bompard who is standing in for leader jean luc melanchon. the rally still has a clear lead in opinion polls ahead of sunday's vote, president macron's centrist alliance is trailing third. let's speak to benedicte paviot, the uk correspondent for france 24. it's a big night for both candidates.— it's a big night for both candidates. , �* , ., , candidates. yes, it's a big night for france- _ candidates. yes, it's a big night for france. it _ candidates. yes, it's a big night for france. it will— candidates. yes, it's a big night for france. it will be _ candidates. yes, it's a big night for france. it will be another. for france. it will be another debate with a slightly different cast tomorrow. that will include the potential prime minister and the president of the national rally. tonight, gloves are absolutely off. this has been a snap election at a blistering pace. the french president, who has a two—year term —— five—year term, decided that it was his prerogative to clarify the situation and dissolve the parliament. the last few minutes, you've got unsurprisingly, the prime minister, who's been particularly attacking jordan bardella, basically saying promise us the moon and will not believe you, that you havejordan bardella, who is saying, oh yes, mr prima stor, why not give us a big message economics? —— prime minister. it's particularly those two, but also the third. he should explain that these are the three groups who are pulling —— we should explain. you have the national rally thatis explain. you have the national rally that is doing the best, and if they got an absolute majority, they want the president of the party, jordan bardella, at the grand age of 28, to be the next french fry minister. he's kind of thrown a spanner in the works. one hour and half press conference, the big deal there was if he didn't get an absolute majority for that party, that he wouldn't go into government. it doesn't look good, but let's remember there are two rounds. the first is on this sunday in the next is the sunday after. fire is the sunday after. are you surprised — is the sunday after. are you surprised that _ is the sunday after. are you surprised that the _ is the sunday after. are you i surprised that the republicans is the sunday after. are you - surprised that the republicans are not on stage tonight? is extraordinary to me, as someone who reported ten years ago that the republicans and the socialists are nowhere, and you have these three insurgent forces now competing with insurgent forces now competing with in france. . , , . , , insurgent forces now competing with infrance. . ,, ., _, in france. that is precisely because what president _ in france. that is precisely because what president macron _ in france. that is precisely because what president macron did - in france. that is precisely because what president macron did with - in france. that is precisely because what president macron did with his| what president macron did with his presidential election the first time around is effectively said he's not from the right or the left, he wants to use the solutions and bring the policies that work the best. that's what you have that mixing government of different political figures. it's come a cropper, if you will, when there are parliamentary elections after the presidential elections. that set for five years, or it should have, but mr macron, just after he was reelected for that second term, inherited a parliament and wanted... where his party, and the presidential majority didn't have an absolute majority, but a relative one. he hits thought to trigger the snap election because he thought it was coming down the track anyway with votes of confidence and prices in his budget. but basically, you've got a very fractured right, far left. and president macron, who said he would let his fry minister do the campaigning, has not helped. we will talk more. plenty more to come. hello there, good evening. well, it's been the warmest day of the year so far in england and wales today. lots of blue sky and sunshine here in the lavender fields of hertfordshire, but it's turned a lot fresher for scotland and northern ireland. now, yesterday afternoon, 27 degrees celsius was recorded in aberdeenshire, but this afternoon across north—eastern scotland, just 12—13 degrees. so, that's quite the drop, and the cooling trend is set to continue over the next couple of days or so. there will be some showers around at times. the heat and humidity will last longest across england and wales, but it will be gone by the end of the day on thursday. now, overnight tonight, still feeling rather muggy and warm for most. still feeling rather there'll be a lot of low cloud around. that's going to be rolling in from the north sea as well, so rather murky conditions for many. a few spots of rain, but generally dry. freshest conditions again out towards north—west scotland and northern ireland. here, lows of a 6—8 degrees celsius, so a much more comfortable night's sleep. into tomorrow, and a lot of that low cloud, mist and murk will roll back towards north sea—facing coasts. a bit of an onshore breeze going on here. a few showers, also some sunny spells across scotland, and despite the fine start to the day, it will cloud over across northern ireland through the afternoon. of course, the best of the sunshine and the highest of the temperatures will be for much of england and wales. mid to high 20s, but locally possibly 30 degrees celsius maybe in the far south. maybe in the far south and the east, but the pollen levels will also be very high. and then this area of low pressure rolls in on thursday. here's the cold front that brings behind it that cooler—feeling air, so the heat and humidity get pushed further eastwards into the near continent as that cooler airjust rolls in. but some strong gusty winds for a time across parts of northern ireland and north—west scotland. there will also be some showers here as well. lots of sunshine elsewhere, including across eastern scotland. in fact, could be a few showers on the front as it gradually clears, and it will take some time, probably until the end of the day, for that cooler air to get to east anglia and the far south—east of england. temperatures here could possibly still be in the mid—20s in celsius perhaps, but much closer to the seasonal average as we head into friday and the weekend. still some sunny spells around. it will still feels warm in the best of the sunshine. any showers tending to be towards the north and the west, but much cooler as we head into the weekend. bye— bye. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. israel's supreme court rules students must be drafted into the military. we will get to that shortly. let's get a check on the sport. big day of football in germany. hello. we'll start at the european championship where england are in action as we speak, knowing a win will guarantee top spot in group c. they're playing slovenia in cologne. midway through the first half. elsewhere, denmark on two points face serbia on one. both could use of victory to get through to the last 16 in munich. still no goals in fact one either. earlier, austria stunned netherlands 3—2 in berlin to finish top of group d and reach the round of 16. austria led at the break but the second half was just two minutes old when cody gakpo levelled with this smart finish. romano schmid responded just before the hour mark, only for memphis depay to then equalise for the dutch for a second time. marcel was australia's hero.

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