2024 pop—up. very useful if you decide you do need to walk the dog at 12:15pm but also don't like the thought of missing out on your daily dose of politics live. let's start with this headline in the daily telegraph. lots of stories reportedly who would like the former prime minister to play a more prominent role in the campaign, the sight of him knocking on doors appeals to some. my opening question to our panel, starting with andrew griffiths, is would you like to see borisjohnson back out on the campaign trail? to see boris johnson back out on the campaign trail?— campaign trail? goodness me, yes! this is a moment _ campaign trail? goodness me, yes! this is a moment for _ campaign trail? goodness me, yes! this is a moment for all _ this is a moment for all conservatives to come out on the campaign trail. we are faced with a labour government that will tax homes, pensions, savings. now is the time for all good people to come to the aid of the party and get the country to wake up to the risk that we face. ~ ., i. ~ country to wake up to the risk that we face. ~ ., ,, ~ ., we face. darren? would you like to see boris johnson _ we face. darren? would you like to see boris johnson back _ we face. darren? would you like to see boris johnson back on - we face. darren? would you like to see boris johnson back on the - see borisjohnson back on the campaign trail because mark i don't really care, to be honest. the chaos from the conservatives _ really care, to be honest. the chaos from the conservatives is _ really care, to be honest. the chaos from the conservatives is so - really care, to be honest. the chaos from the conservatives is so mad i really care, to be honest. the chaos i from the conservatives is so mad now that they _ from the conservatives is so mad now that they can't even get their own leader_ that they can't even get their own leader to — that they can't even get their own leader to lead their party and they want someone that was kicked out of parliament _ want someone that was kicked out of parliament for lying to try to steer the ship _ parliament for lying to try to steer the ship in — parliament for lying to try to steer the ship in the right direction. it the ship in the right direction. [it is the ship in the right direction. it is ridiculous, isn't it? as i say, what is ridiculous actually is to present to the country an agenda thatis present to the country an agenda that is going to change the constitution so you can be in power for a generation, do not be truthful and honest about the tax rises... tote and honest about the tax rises... we will come onto that. perhaps - and honest about the tax rises... we will come onto that. perhaps he - and honest about the tax rises... we will come onto that. perhaps he will| will come onto that. perhaps he will tell us more — will come onto that. perhaps he will tell us more about _ will come onto that. perhaps he will tell us more about what _ will come onto that. perhaps he will tell us more about what the - will come onto that. perhaps he will tell us more about what the tax - tell us more about what the tax policies are going to be. what tell us more about what the tax policies are going to be. what boris johnson is not _ policies are going to be. what boris johnson is not ridiculous? _ policies are going to be. what boris johnson is not ridiculous? you - policies are going to be. what boris johnson is not ridiculous? you need a failed _ johnson is not ridiculous? you need a failed leader to come back? it is treat to a failed leader to come back? it is great to have _ a failed leader to come back? it is great to have as _ a failed leader to come back? it 3 great to have as many conservative voices out there. this is a moment when the country needs to wake up to the impending risk of a labour government, possibly with a supermajority. government, possibly with a supermajority-_ government, possibly with a suerma'ori . ., , ., .,~' government, possibly with a suerma'ori . ., , ., .,~ ., superma'ority. you used to work for boris supermajority. you used to work for boris johnson. _ supermajority. you used to work for boris johnson, didn't _ supermajority. you used to work for boris johnson, didn't you, _ supermajority. you used to work for boris johnson, didn't you, henry? i borisjohnson, didn't you, henry? would you like to see him out on the campaign trail? tote would you like to see him out on the campaign trail?— campaign trail? we need the conservative _ campaign trail? we need the conservative family - campaign trail? we need the conservative family back - campaign trail? we need the - conservative family back together on this campaign— conservative family back together on this campaign and _ conservative family back together on this campaign and it _ conservative family back together on this campaign and it would _ conservative family back together on this campaign and it would be - conservative family back together on this campaign and it would be greatl this campaign and it would be great to have _ this campaign and it would be great to have boris — this campaign and it would be great to have borisjohnson _ this campaign and it would be great to have borisjohnson out _ this campaign and it would be greati to have borisjohnson out campaign. he has— to have borisjohnson out campaign. he has been— to have borisjohnson out campaign. he has been making _ to have borisjohnson out campaign. he has been making the _ to have borisjohnson out campaign. he has been making the case - to have borisjohnson out campaign. he has been making the case of- to have borisjohnson out campaign. he has been making the case of a i he has been making the case of a danger— he has been making the case of a danger that— he has been making the case of a danger that the _ he has been making the case of a danger that the labour— he has been making the case of a i danger that the labour government would _ danger that the labour government would pose — danger that the labour government would pose in — danger that the labour government would pose in the _ danger that the labour government would pose in the country. - danger that the labour government would pose in the country. he - danger that the labour government would pose in the country. he has i would pose in the country. he has written _ would pose in the country. he has written in — would pose in the country. he has written in the _ would pose in the country. he has written in the daily— would pose in the country. he has written in the daily mail— would pose in the country. he has written in the daily mail about - would pose in the country. he has written in the daily mail about taxi written in the daily mail about tax rises _ written in the daily mail about tax rises that— written in the daily mail about tax rises that are _ written in the daily mail about tax rises that are inevitable _ written in the daily mail about tax rises that are inevitable with - written in the daily mail about tax rises that are inevitable with a - rises that are inevitable with a labour — rises that are inevitable with a labour government— rises that are inevitable with a labour government and - rises that are inevitable with a labour government and we . rises that are inevitable with a . labour government and we have rises that are inevitable with a - labour government and we have heard the labour— labour government and we have heard the labour party— labour government and we have heard the labour party try _ labour government and we have heard the labour party try to _ labour government and we have heard the labour party try to rule _ labour government and we have heard the labour party try to rule out - the labour party try to rule out some _ the labour party try to rule out some tax— the labour party try to rule out some tax rises. _ the labour party try to rule out some tax rises.— the labour party try to rule out some tax rises. cgt rises. capital rains some tax rises. cgt rises. capital gains tax. — some tax rises. cgt rises. capital gains tax. yes- — some tax rises. cgt rises. capital gains tax, yes. and _ some tax rises. cgt rises. capital gains tax, yes. and small - some tax rises. cgt rises. capital i gains tax, yes. and small investors who would face _ gains tax, yes. and small investors who would face huge _ gains tax, yes. and small investors who would face huge increases - gains tax, yes. and small investors who would face huge increases in i who would face huge increases in their— who would face huge increases in their investments. _ who would face huge increases in their investments. [— who would face huge increases in their investments.— who would face huge increases in their investments. i can't hold you back! this is _ their investments. i can't hold you back! this is the _ their investments. i can't hold you back! this is the tax _ their investments. i can't hold you back! this is the tax debate. - their investments. i can't hold you back! this is the tax debate. but i their investments. i can't hold you | back! this is the tax debate. but on borisjohnson, what is the benefit? he is a campaigning superstar. dare he is a campaigning superstar. are the he is a campaigning superstar. they going to pull the knives out he is a campaigning superstar.- they going to pull the knives out of his back— they going to pull the knives out of his back before they get him on telly? _ his back before they get him on telly? it — his back before they get him on telly? it is _ his back before they get him on telly? it is ridiculous. i'm talking about— telly? it is ridiculous. i'm talking about the — telly? it is ridiculous. i'm talking about the conservative party hroadly~ _ about the conservative party broadly. he was tanking in the polls because _ broadly. he was tanking in the polls because of— broadly. he was tanking in the polls because of his conduct while in office. — because of his conduct while in office. and _ because of his conduct while in office, and now you are going to stitch _ office, and now you are going to stitch charles the first '5 head back— stitch charles the first '5 head back on— stitch charles the first '5 head back on and parade him around like a puppet _ back on and parade him around like a puppet. its— back on and parade him around like a puppet. it's a — back on and parade him around like a puppet. it's a gimmick that reeks of desperation quite frankly and i can't _ desperation quite frankly and i can't wait _ desperation quite frankly and i can't wait to see it.— desperation quite frankly and i can't wait to see it. andrew? as henry said. _ can't wait to see it. andrew? as henry said. we _ can't wait to see it. andrew? as henry said, we need _ can't wait to see it. andrew? as henry said, we need all- can't wait to see it. andrew? as henry said, we need all good i henry said, we need all good conservative communicators out there. the real danger in this election is people sleepwalking into a government that will perpetually continue to increase taxes, and by the way every day the government has left office with hire and implement than when it arrived —— every labour government. than when it arrived -- every labour government-— government. let's get the issue of tax. for several _ government. let's get the issue of tax. for severalweeks, _ government. let's get the issue of tax. for several weeks, as - government. let's get the issue of tax. for several weeks, as you i government. let's get the issue of tax. for several weeks, as you can hear again if you are watching the programme, there has been chewing and flowing with the main parties arguing about the others tax and spending plans not adding up with various claims and counter claims. now, this morning keir starmer, the labour leader, was asked during an lbc phone in whether there will be council tax rises under a labour government if the party went onjuly the 4th. government if the party went on july the 4th. ., ., ., , ., , the 4th. none of our plans require tax rises over _ the 4th. none of our plans require tax rises over and _ the 4th. none of our plans require tax rises over and above _ the 4th. none of our plans require tax rises over and above the i the 4th. none of our plans require tax rises over and above the ones| the 4th. none of our plans require i tax rises over and above the ones we set out. 50 tax rises over and above the ones we set out. , ., tax rises over and above the ones we set out. i. .., _ ., tax rises over and above the ones we set out. ., , set out. so you can say now they will not be — set out. so you can say now they will not be an _ set out. so you can say now they will not be an increase _ set out. so you can say now they will not be an increase in - set out. so you can say now they will not be an increase in council| will not be an increase in council tax? _ will not be an increase in council tax? ~ . . will not be an increase in council tax? ~ ., ., ., will not be an increase in council tax? ., ., ., ., will not be an increase in council tax? . ., ., ., ., ., will not be an increase in council tax? ., ., ., ., ., ., will not be an increase in council tax? ., ., ., ., ., tax? what i am not going to do is sit here two _ tax? what i am not going to do is sit here two weeks _ tax? what i am not going to do is sit here two weeks before - tax? what i am not going to do is sit here two weeks before the i sit here two weeks before the election and write the budget for the next five years. what i can say is that none of our plans require a tax rise, and that is for a reason. the reason is our focus tax rise, and that is for a reason. the reason is ourfocus is tax rise, and that is for a reason. the reason is our focus is on getting our economy going, on building, on growing, on raising living standards and creating wealth. 50 living standards and creating wealth. , ., living standards and creating wealth. i. living standards and creating wealth. , ., wealth. so you can see, the labour leader there _ wealth. so you can see, the labour leader there being _ wealth. so you can see, the labour leader there being put _ wealth. so you can see, the labour leader there being put under- leader there being put under pressure to answer yet again whether he will raise or expand on council tax rates. this is the headline in the daily mail. so, let's start with you, darren. can you rule out increasing council tax if labour wind the election, or scrapping this inheritance tax relief on farmland? i scrapping this inheritance tax relief on farmland?— scrapping this inheritance tax relief on farmland? i should start brinuain relief on farmland? i should start bringing tax _ relief on farmland? i should start bringing tax code _ relief on farmland? i should start bringing tax code books - relief on farmland? i should start bringing tax code books around i relief on farmland? i should start i bringing tax code books around with me. bringing tax code books around with me there _ bringing tax code books around with me. there are about 50 tomes of the thing _ me. there are about 50 tomes of the thing we _ me. there are about 50 tomes of the thing. we have been very clear. let's _ thing. we have been very clear. let's start— thing. we have been very clear. let's start as to why the concept is keep— let's start as to why the concept is keep raising this. they are in such a desperate — keep raising this. they are in such a desperate position they can't even talk about— a desperate position they can't even talk about their own policies and they are — talk about their own policies and they are trying to scare people. we will not _ they are trying to scare people. we will not increase the headline rate of tax _ will not increase the headline rate of tax you — will not increase the headline rate of tax. you have ruled that out. our manifesto, — of tax. you have ruled that out. our manifesto, which is our plan for government, is fully costed and fully funded by closing a number of tax loopholes that raise the additional revenue on top of the budget— additional revenue on top of the budget we would inherit in terms of current— budget we would inherit in terms of current spending around delivering on our— current spending around delivering on our priorities. we don't need to id on our priorities. we don't need to go through— on our priorities. we don't need to go through every page of a 50 tomes tax code _ go through every page of a 50 tomes tax code to _ go through every page of a 50 tomes tax code to talk about exemptions or subclauses— tax code to talk about exemptions or subclauses because our manifesto is fully costed. so subclauses because our manifesto is fully casted-— fully costed. so “ust answer those two questions — fully costed. so just answer those two questions then. _ fully costed. so just answer those two questions then. we _ fully costed. so just answer those two questions then. we might i fully costed. so just answer those two questions then. we might as| fully costed. so just answer those i two questions then. we might as well at least reflect this part of the tory campaign for today, and then we will move on. so you can rule out any rises in council tax if you wind the election and scrapping inheritance tax relief on farmland? we don't need to make those changes to taxes— we don't need to make those changes to taxes because our manifesto is fully funded and costed and that is why we _ fully funded and costed and that is why we have made the commitments that we _ why we have made the commitments that we have. i can't think of how much _ that we have. i can't think of how much clearer i can be.— that we have. i can't think of how much clearer i can be. much clearerl can be. well, he has had 14 years _ much clearerl can be. well, he has had 14 years to _ much clearerl can be. well, he has had 14 years to understand - much clearerl can be. well, he has had 14 years to understand the i much clearerl can be. well, he has had 14 years to understand the tax | had 14 years to understand the tax code is... but had 14 years to understand the tax code is... �* ., , , , had 14 years to understand the tax code is---_ hei code is... but on his response. he is entirely — code is... but on his response. he is entirely silent _ code is... but on his response. he is entirely silent on _ code is... but on his response. he is entirely silent on these - code is... but on his response. he is entirely silent on these two i is entirely silent on these two points. it is the simplest thing in the world if you didn't think that labour had hidden plans to increase tax. darren is a reasonable person generally, but to simply rule it out and give farmers the security that they need because it is a real—world issue. right now they are having to plan their crops and what the next year holds. plan their crops and what the next ear holds. ., plan their crops and what the next year holds-— plan their crops and what the next ear holds. ., ., �* , year holds. you don't believe him? your viewers _ year holds. you don't believe him? your viewers will _ year holds. you don't believe him? your viewers will be _ year holds. you don't believe him? your viewers will be making - year holds. you don't believe him? your viewers will be making that i your viewers will be making that decision, not me. what i do know... still going, sorry. we expect at least £2000 for every working family and that is the cost of the spending commitments they have made. i think it is important in this election, trusting politics and honesty, to know what plans labour has. i pride m self, as know what plans labour has. i pride myself. as you _ know what plans labour has. i pride myself, as you know, _ know what plans labour has. i pride myself, as you know, for— know wha