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mm—hm. and you are successful. i was. it was a small local florida election, and it was the same election year that barack obama won the presidency. and i wanted to campaign on the same issues that white nationalists like david duke had done decades before and sort of demonstrate that those messages could be really effective, even in the same year that barack obama was winning the national presidency. did you feel threatened by him? i saw obama's victory as a growth factor for this movement. at the time, i was going around telling white nationalists, "the backlash to this election is going to be massive," and it was. it... they gained more membership, more visits to their websites, more energy and money than they had ever had before to the backlash to a black president. so you are fuelling the idea that a black president is threatening to your view of the world? yeah, it was... exactly, it was something that motivated the movement