macro what are the other parties going to do to counter it? welcome to newnsight live each weeknight with interviews and lots of insight. since nigel farage burst into the election he's changed the weather in the campaign. tomorrow night he'll take his place in the seven strong bbc tv debate alongside penny mordaunt and angela rayner, lib dems, snp, plaid and greens — seven in all. which could make wednesday's debate with keir starmer and rishi sunak seem like a polite tea party. tim montgomery, founder of the conservative home website, and sing seng who was editor of former news organisation vice uk are here, and of course nick is here... tell me, what do you make of this debate, what is going to happen? we debate, what is going to happen? - had the big head—to—head between keir starmer and rishi sunak, pretty fiery, and they are not the most natural communicators, it would be fair to say, but tomorrow we will see from across the parties, seven people in that debate, some interesting natural communicators, and let's highlight three of them, penny mordaunt for the conservatives, angela raynerfor labour, and a few days after he took over the leadership of reform uk, nigel farage, and think of the dynamics, nigel farage and penny mordaunt, and a penny more than is good at staking out the nimrod territory —— penny mordaunt. quite patriotic. nobody beats her on that and it will be interesting to see how she fares with nigel farage who will want to occupy that territory. penny mordaunt to make the case for the tories at the election but might she be thinking of another election and would she be nervous... so nical. and would she be nervous... so cynical- the _ and would she be nervous... so cynical. the second _ and would she be nervous... so cynical. the second one - and would she be nervous... so cynical. the second one is - and would she be nervous... so i cynical. the second one is angela ra ner cynical. the second one is angela rayner against — cynical. the second one is angela rayner against penny _ cynical. the second one is angela rayner against penny mordaunt. | rayner against penny mordaunt. angela raynerfeels rayner against penny mordaunt. angela rayner feels liberated and vindicated after greater manchester police said they are not looking into her housing. penny mordaunt has been critical of her and angela rayner may have a few things to say about that. �* u, . rayner may have a few things to say about that. ~ ,., ., , , ., . about that. also a big dynamic because we — about that. also a big dynamic because we are _ about that. also a big dynamic because we are talking - about that. also a big dynamic because we are talking about. because we are talking about essentially, seven people, and the moderator, and the majority of these are women. moderator, and the ma'ority of these are women-— are women. interesting dimension. niel are women. interesting dimension. nigel farage _ are women. interesting dimension. nigel farage will _ are women. interesting dimension. nigel farage will be _ are women. interesting dimension. nigel farage will be the _ are women. interesting dimension. nigel farage will be the star, - are women. interesting dimension. nigel farage will be the star, i - nigel farage will be the star, i suspect, — nigel farage will be the star, i suspect, he has electrified the campaign this week, but maybe it is old—fashioned, but how will he treat women? _ old—fashioned, but how will he treat women? if_ old—fashioned, but how will he treat women? if he looks like he is bullying — women? if he looks like he is bullying women, in the way he can be quite robust _ bullying women, in the way he can be quite robust with men, people can be forgiving _ quite robust with men, people can be forgiving of _ quite robust with men, people can be forgiving of the latter, and when rishi _ forgiving of the latter, and when rishi sunak debated liz truss in the leadership— rishi sunak debated liz truss in the leadership debate, his interrupting of her_ leadership debate, his interrupting of her cost — leadership debate, his interrupting of her cost him a lot with tory members. _ of her cost him a lot with tory members, and they did not like a man seemingly— members, and they did not like a man seemingly to treat a woman with discourtesy, so nigel farage has got to play— discourtesy, so nigel farage has got to play it _ discourtesy, so nigel farage has got to play it carefully tomorrow and he cannot _ to play it carefully tomorrow and he cannot look— to play it carefully tomorrow and he cannot look too aggressive in that forum _ cannot look too aggressive in that forum 0r— cannot look too aggressive in that forum. ortoo cannot look too aggressive in that forum. 0r too sexist. cannot look too aggressive in that forum. ortoo sexist. how cannot look too aggressive in that forum. or too sexist.— forum. or too sexist. how do the debates cut _ forum. or too sexist. how do the debates cut through? _ forum. or too sexist. how do the debates cut through? i _ forum. or too sexist. how do the debates cut through? i don't - forum. or too sexist. how do the | debates cut through? i don't think the cut debates cut through? i don't think they cut through _ debates cut through? i don't think they cut through like _ debates cut through? i don't think they cut through like they - debates cut through? i don't think they cut through like they used i debates cut through? i don't think| they cut through like they used to, when _ they cut through like they used to, when the _ they cut through like they used to, when the first debates happened with david cameron and gordon brown and nick clegg. _ david cameron and gordon brown and nick clegg, it was an electric moment, _ nick clegg, it was an electric moment, the first time in our recent history. _ moment, the first time in our recent history. we — moment, the first time in our recent history, we are seeing decent numbers— history, we are seeing decent numbers for the recent debate on itv, numbers for the recent debate on w and — numbers for the recent debate on itv, and the numbers are declining. itv, and the numbers are declining. i think tomorrow will be different because — i think tomorrow will be different because nigel farage is the special new ingredient in this general election— new ingredient in this general election and if he can show that he is talking _ election and if he can show that he is talking the way that he did at its launch— is talking the way that he did at its launch on wednesday, two conservative voters, the way he spoke _ conservative voters, the way he spoke to — conservative voters, the way he spoke to me, frankly, if he can show that he _ spoke to me, frankly, if he can show that he can _ spoke to me, frankly, if he can show that he can really peel away even more _ that he can really peel away even more conservative voters... the way he soke more conservative voters... the way he spoke to — more conservative voters... the way he spoke to you. _ more conservative voters. .. the way he spoke to you, how— more conservative voters... the way he spoke to you, how did _ more conservative voters... the way he spoke to you, how did he - more conservative voters... the way he spoke to you, how did he speak. more conservative voters... the way| he spoke to you, how did he speak to you? he spoke to you, how did he speak to ou? ~ ., he spoke to you, how did he speak to ou? ~ . ., ._ ., you? when i heard him in a way that i don't, you? when i heard him in a way that i don't. i'm — you? when i heard him in a way that i don't. i'm trying — you? when i heard him in a way that i don't, i'm trying to _ you? when i heard him in a way that i don't, i'm trying to be _ you? when i heard him in a way that i don't, i'm trying to be a _ you? when i heard him in a way that i don't, i'm trying to be a loyal - i don't, i'm trying to be a loyal conservative, although i'm not always— conservative, although i'm not always good at that, but when i hear rishi sunak— always good at that, but when i hear rishi sunak i do not necessarily hear— rishi sunak i do not necessarily hear somebody who i think is authentically talking in the same way i _ authentically talking in the same way i would like a conservative to talk, _ way i would like a conservative to talk, but — way i would like a conservative to talk, but when i hear nigel farage on immigration and tax, british history— on immigration and tax, british history and identity and crime, he is talking — history and identity and crime, he is talking the language of the average — is talking the language of the average conservative activist. you mi . ht average conservative activist. you might vote _ average conservative activist. you might vote for _ average conservative activist. gm. might vote for him? average conservative activist. you might vote for him? i _ average conservative activist. you might vote for him? i have - 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correct in your feeling and instinct _ correct in your feeling and instinct. ., correct in your feeling and instinct-— correct in your feeling and instinct. ., , well, a man who knows all about the pivotal moments in election debates is the political advisorjim messina, who was nicknamed "the obama white house fixer" and campaign supremo. he joins us from washington. but first, jim in action in the spin room, after the final presidential debate in florida in 2012, when it was obama versus mitt romney. you got the impression that he was on the offence, your candidate tonight, and i'm just wondering about that. he interrupted the governor on several occasions. look, this is a contest about strength. this is about who can be leader, commander—in—chief. you saw the president be very strong tonight. he is strong and steady, as his leadership has been for the past four years. romney looked uncertain. romney spent a bunch of time being wrong on the issues and uncertain about his position. we can now speak tojim messina. thanks forjoining us. are you eagerly watching the uk election campaign? {3h eagerly watching the uk election cam aian? , eagerly watching the uk election camaiun? , ,, , , campaign? oh my goodness, yes, it was ureat campaign? oh my goodness, yes, it was great fun _ campaign? oh my goodness, yes, it was great fun the _ campaign? oh my goodness, yes, it was great fun the other _ campaign? oh my goodness, yes, it was great fun the other night, - campaign? oh my goodness, yes, it was great fun the other night, with l was great fun the other night, with the rishi sunak keir starmer debate, absolutely. you the rishi sunak keir starmer debate, absolutel . ., ., ., . ,, the rishi sunak keir starmer debate, absolutel . ., ., ., absolutely. you “oined barack obama in 2011, absolutely. you “oined barack obama an 2011. and — absolutely. you “oined barack obama an 2011. and he — absolutely. you joined barack obama in 2011, and he was _ absolutely. you joined barack obama in 2011, and he was down _ absolutely. you joined barack obama in 2011, and he was down in - absolutely. you joined barack obama in 2011, and he was down in the - in 2011, and he was down in the polls, so what did you have to do? what was the strategy? we polls, so what did you have to do? what was the strategy?— what was the strategy? we had to make the election _ what was the strategy? we had to make the election about _ what was the strategy? we had to make the election about a - what was the strategy? we had to make the election about a choice, | make the election about a choice, between barack obama and mitt romney and i used to say to barack obama, if it is a referendum on the incumbent, you will likely lose, but if it is a choice between you and mitt romney you will win the choice, it is ourjob to take it to mitt romney and make it a choice between two candidates and we were able to do that and we won that election. barack obama did not do well against mitt romney in the early debates, so how dangerous can debates be? this was second time around and still obama is not really a scrapper? he: doesn't like scrapping, he doesn't like the back and forth, and in the first debate, the clip that you show, that was the second debate which we won, but the first debate we lost worse than any presidential election campaign has lost, and we watch the national league go from five points to basically tide or down a little bit —— the national lead. debates can define an election for a little while and they can bake in the preconceptions that people have and that is what you will have in the first american debate which is two and a half weeks away, the whole world will watch that debate to see if it fundamentally alters the terrain. to see if it fundamentally alters the terrain-— to see if it fundamentally alters theterrain. ii'j: ., ., the terrain. 2013, on this programme we announce. — the terrain. 2013, on this programme we announce, we _ the terrain. 2013, on this programme we announce, we revealed _ the terrain. 2013, on this programme we announce, we revealed that - the terrain. 2013, on this programme we announce, we revealed that you i we announce, we revealed that you were going to be working with david cameron in 2015 and then a course on the eu referendum when you were supporting remain, working with david cameron, and at that time in that referendum, you were beaten by nigel farage? it is that referendum, you were beaten by nigel farage?— nigel farage? it is true, it is true, nigel farage? it is true, it is true. and — nigel farage? it is true, it is true. and i _ nigel farage? it is true, it is true, and i was _ nigel farage? it is true, it is true, and i was much - nigel farage? it is true, it is true, and i was much more i nigel farage? it is true, it is - true, and i was much more involved in the 2015 david cameron campaign but i did try to help out on the election and i saw nigel farage and he said he has come back from the us from helping donald trump, and i'm not sure he has done much in that regard but he will make tomorrow night the most interesting piece, watching him in 2015 when he was the ukip leader, some of the most interesting television i have ever seen. ., ., ., seen. the thing about nigel farage, ou see a seen. the thing about nigel farage, you see a team _ seen. the thing about nigel farage, you see a team player? _ seen. the thing about nigel farage, you see a team player? what - seen. the thing about nigel farage, you see a team player? what do - seen. the thing about nigel farage, | you see a team player? what do you make of him coming back into the race, because he was not going to, and then suddenly, bang, he's the leader of reform, so is it all about nigel farage in a sense? yes leader of reform, so is it all about nigel farage in a sense?— leader of reform, so is it all about nigel farage in a sense? yes and no, it has always — nigel farage in a sense? yes and no, it has always been _ nigel farage in a sense? yes and no, it has always been about _ nigel farage in a sense? yes and no, it has always been about nigel- nigel farage in a sense? yes and no, it has always been about nigel and i it has always been about nigel and he loves, remember when he announced he loves, remember when he announced he was done and was not going to be the leader, and he has come back three times since then, but i think a complete disasterfor three times since then, but i think a complete disaster for rishi three times since then, but i think a complete disasterfor rishi sunak. you can't look at the numbers since then and think it is anything other than a problem when you are the incumbent, if you start losing your base, this is one of the problem is president biden has, at the moment, he has pace issues, but nothing like rishi sunak because of the huge numbers reform are getting in the early polling and the debate tomorrow night is likely going to give nigel farage another moment to talk to tim and the guys who might actually be his group. if talk to tim and the guys who might actually be his group.— actually be his group. if you were auoin to actually be his group. if you were going to give _ actually be his group. if you were going to give unpaid _ actually be his group. if you were going to give unpaid advice - actually be his group. if you were going to give unpaid advice to - actually be his group. if you were i going to give unpaid advice to rishi sunak at this stage, what would it be? ~ ., , sunak at this stage, what would it be? ., be? when i was running barack obama, bill clinton woke _ be? when i was running barack obama, bill clinton woke me _ be? when i was running barack obama, bill clinton woke me up _ be? when i was running barack obama, bill clinton woke me up in _ be? when i was running barack obama, bill clinton woke me up in the _ be? when i was running barack obama, bill clinton woke me up in the night - bill clinton woke me up in the night and said, once a month, all elections are about the future, and i used to say that to david cameron, you have got to define the future, and right now rishi sunak is getting the worst of both worlds, getting killed for his current performance and voters do not understand where he's going to take the so i would say try to get above the fray and explain to people where you are going to take them, and then take it to keir starmer as much as i could. but i'm also very happy not to be a rishi sunak adviser these days. would you be an adviser to keir starmer? ., , ., would you be an adviser to keir starmer? . , ., , ., starmer? that is a good question. what i starmer? that is a good question. what i want _ starmer? that is a good question. what i want to _ starmer? that is a good question. what i want to advise _ starmer? that is a good question. what i want to advise the - starmer? that is a good question. what i want to advise the country | starmer? that is a good question. i what i want to advise the country of the uk is that we need to repair our special relationship with the us and hopefully no matter who gets elected, and who gets elected in the us, we can do that, and it is important we continue to be the closest allies and i think the damage borisjohnson did to that relationship is real and we need to repair it. jim relationship is real and we need to reairit. ~ ,, ., ., ., repair it. jim messina, thanks for “oininu repair it. jim messina, thanks for joining us- _ repair it. jim messina, thanks for joining us. thank _ repair it. jim messina, thanks for joining us. thank you. _ since nigel farage entered the fray, he's made quite an impact on the opinion polls — especially the last four surveys. four new polls out today and this is my nightly caveat about opinion polls, they are asking people how they might vote, the only poll that counts is on for weeks today and how people actually vote. let's have a look at these four polls and what we can see is three out of four showed that reform uk, their vote share is going up, so let's firstly look at the research here from bmg which shows reform at 16%, and we can now look at the next one from survation. 15 points for reform uk, the highest everfigure. and now the next one, reform 17%, up three points, and finally, it was soft uk, —— ipsos uk, this is 9%, but most of this poll was done before nigel farage made the announcement that he would be leading reform uk in this election. now we're joined by the kc julian malins, who stood for the tories in the �*80s, and more recently was lined up to stand for the brexit party, and is now standing for reform. thanks forjoining us. it is a thanks for “oining us. it is a pleasure. _ thanks forjoining us. it is a pleasure. reform, - thanks forjoining us. it is a pleasure. reform, a - thanks forjoining us. it is a pleasure. reform, a one i thanks forjoining us. it is a i pleasure. reform, a one man thanks forjoining us. it is a - pleasure. reform, a one man band? no, it is not. — pleasure. reform, a one man band? no, it is not. the _ pleasure. reform, a one man band? no, it is not. the fact _ pleasure. reform, a one man band? no, it is not. the fact is, _ pleasure. reform, a one man band? no, it is not. the fact is, we - pleasure. reform, a one man band? no, it is not. the fact is, we are - no, it is not. the fact is, we are not obviously yet the government, and we are not his majesty's loyal opposition, so we do not have chancellors of the exchequer, and as ministers storing the minister outlets, giving the impression of a big team, we have one very famous man but i have seen and met at least 200 of the reform uk candidates in the last three years, the depth of talent and commitment and the fact that they are not looking for a job, and remember, the tories are fighting like feral ferrets at the moment to keep theirjob, not for the country, not... it moment to keep their “ob, not for the country, not...— the country, not... it would be a bonus if any _ the country, not... it would be a bonus if any of _ the country, not... it would be a bonus if any of your _ the country, not... it would be a bonus if any of your lot - the country, not... it would be a bonus if any of your lot got - the country, not... it would be a bonus if any of your lot got the i bonus if any of your lot got the job. bonus if any of your lot got the 'ob. ~ ., bonus if any of your lot got the 'ob. . . . ., bonus if any of your lot got the 'ob. ~ ., . ., ., ' job. we all come from different walks of life — job. we all come from different walks of life with _ job. we all come from different walks of life with great - job. we all come from different - walks of life with great experience, and enormous talent, but the problem that nigel farage will have an richard tice, on the 5th ofjuly, out of all this talent, who gets jobs? with so much choice. when you are campaigning is it simply, it is about immigration isn't it. you are banging the immigration drum, that is the big, thatis immigration drum, that is the big, that is your big ticket isn't it. it is a huge issue for the whole country. but i'm putting forward all our other policies as well. and it's astonishing to me, that we are stumbling towards a possible war in europe, a possible war in the middle east, on the horizon is a possible war in the far east and is cameron talking about it, is sunak talking about it? is anybody talking about it? , ., ., 4' about it? is anybody talking about it? , . , about it? is anybody talking about it? let us look some policies you want to cut _ it? let us look some policies you want to cut taxes _ it? let us look some policies you want to cut taxes but _ it? let us look some policies you want to cut taxes but the - it? let us look some policies you want to cut taxes but the obr i it? let us look some policies you i want to cut taxes but the obr says we will have to increase them. are you on the side of massive public spending cuts? brute you on the side of massive public spending cuts?— you on the side of massive public spending cuts? we are not on the side of massive _ spending cuts? we are not on the side of massive public— spending cuts? we are not on the side of massive public spending i side of massive public spending cuts, we are on the side of cutting out incredible wasted public expenditure.— out incredible wasted public expenditure. right. but some things ou expenditure. right. but some things you don't want _ expenditure. right. but some things you don't want to spend _ expenditure. right. but some things you don't want to spend on, you - you don't want to spend on, you want to put tax relief of 20% on private education and private health care as well. that would create a two tire england wouldn't it. trio well. that would create a two tire england wouldn't it.— well. that would create a two tire england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs _ england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs we _ england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs we agree _ england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs we agree should - england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs we agree should be| england wouldn't it. no the fact is - that the nhs we agree should be free at the point of delivery, everybody agrees that. but equally, everybody agrees that. but equally, everybody agrees that. but equally, everybody agrees that it is not delivering first class health care. therefore, we have got a great expert on this, dr david bull, my own eldest daughter is in fact in the national health service and we have a plan that those who can't get quick enough treatment, which is a vast number of people at the moment, we will get a private health care paid for voucher. taste will get a private health care paid for voucher-— will get a private health care paid for voucher. ~ . ., ., for voucher. we will cost a fortune. let me ask — for voucher. we will cost a fortune. let me ask you. — for voucher. we will cost a fortune. let me ask you, you _ for voucher. we will cost a fortune. let me ask you, you weren't - let me ask you, you weren't expecting this election to happen so quickly, how many seats will reform candidates standing in i quickly, how many seats will reform candidates standing in— candidates standing in i personally don't know the _ candidates standing in i personally don't know the number, _ candidates standing in i personally don't know the number, but - candidates standing in i personally don't know the number, but we i candidates standing in i personally| don't know the number, but we are all committed, and i hope we have enough time before 4.00 tomorrow, to stand in every seat and... the deadline _ stand in every seat and... the deadline which _ stand in every seat and... the deadline which is _ stand in every seat and... the deadline which is the - stand in every seat and... the | deadline which is the deadline. stand in every seat and... the i deadline which is the deadline. if ou are deadline which is the deadline. if you are standing _ deadline which is the deadline. if you are standing in _ deadline which is the deadline. if you are standing in every - deadline which is the deadline. if you are standing in every seat i deadline which is the deadline. if| you are standing in every seat and it is at short notice, how have you vetted candidate, we already have problem with some. some. you have had a candidate convicted of attacking, abusing a dog you have had to drop some of racist comments. let us be fair we have to be sympathetic and i won't throw the first stone, but in the police and crime commissioner election in wiltshire, in which i stood, the first election was void because the conservative candidate had a disqualifying criminal conviction, he had got through vetting, with 100 plus years, pare he had got through vetting, with 100 lus ears, �* ,, plus years, are you vetting candidates _ plus years, are you vetting candidates this _ plus years, are you vetting candidates this minute? i plus years, are you vetting | candidates this minute? we plus years, are you vetting i candidates this minute? we are vettin: candidates this minute? we are vetting candidates. _ candidates this minute? we are vetting candidates. you - candidates this minute? we are vetting candidates. you don't i candidates this minute? we are i vetting candidates. you don't know how many will _ vetting candidates. you don't know how many will stand _ vetting candidates. you don't know how many will stand you _ vetting candidates. you don't know how many will stand you can't i vetting candidates. you don't know| how many will stand you can't have vetting candidates. you don't know. how many will stand you can't have a erfect how many will stand you can't have a perfect system. _ how many will stand you can't have a perfect system, and _ how many will stand you can't have a perfect system, and all _ how many will stand you can't have a perfect system, and all parties i how many will stand you can't have a perfect system, and all parties let i perfect system, and all parties let some through, despite every possible effort. our efforts have extremely good, and our candidates are vetted, and a terrific, i have met 200 at least of them.— least of them. right. finally, reform you _ least of them. right. finally, reform you have _ least of them. right. finally, reform you have admitted i least of them. right. finally, i reform you have admitted your pledges will cost in excess of 70 billion a year which is far in excess of liz truss's mini budget that spooked the financial markets i haven't admitted that. who has admitted that. it is haven't admitted that. who has admitted that.— admitted that. it is in the manifesto. _ admitted that. it is in the manifesto. in _ admitted that. it is in the manifesto. in your- admitted that. it is in the i manifesto. in your manifesto. admitted that. it is in the - manifesto. in your manifesto. but ou manifesto. in your manifesto. but you haven't _ manifesto. in your manifesto. but you haven't taken. the _ manifesto. in your manifesto. but you haven't taken. the left i you haven't taken. the left manifesto. _ you haven't taken. the left manifesto. what _ you haven't taken. the left manifesto. what this i you haven't taken. the left i manifesto. what this manifesto? you haven't taken. the left _ manifesto. what this manifesto? this is the draft manifesto _ manifesto. what this manifesto? this is the draft manifesto you _ manifesto. what this manifesto? this is the draft manifesto you have i is the draft manifesto you have published, you are spending pledges would cost in excess of 70 billion a year would cost in excess of 70 billion a ea ., ., �* would cost in excess of 70 billion a ea ., . �* . ~' would cost in excess of 70 billion a ea ., ., �* ., ~ ., would cost in excess of 70 billion a year you haven't taken into account the hue year you haven't taken into account the huge savings — year you haven't taken into account the huge savings and _ year you haven't taken into account the huge savings and netted i year you haven't taken into account the huge savings and netted off- year you haven't taken into account the huge savings and netted off the savings against the expend children, we will redirect public ex #3e7nd char, cut of waste and run government officially, because all our candidates have had to run businesses, have a real life, they didn't do hobby degrees at university and then get a job. university and then get a 'ob. thank ou ve university and then get a 'ob. thank you very much. * university and then get a 'ob. thank you very much. what i university and then get a 'ob. thank you very much. what do i university and then get a job. thank you very much. what do you i university and then get a job. thank you very much. what do you make i university and then get a job. thank you very much. what do you make of that. , ., ., that. some interesting from that interview, reform _ that. some interesting from that interview, reform uk— that. some interesting from that interview, reform uk hope i that. some interesting from that interview, reform uk hope and i interview, reform uk hope and believe that the arrival of nigel farage will transform their tortures butjulian saying we are potjust a one man band, we're have interesting candidates saying he has met 200, yes we are talking antism integration and an international perspective, warning about war. back to our guests again. do you think reform is ready for prime time? i think reform is ready for prime time? ., ., , time? i mean, all will be discovered when nigel— time? i mean, all will be discovered when nigel farage _ time? i mean, all will be discovered when nigel farage takes _ time? i mean, all will be discovered when nigel farage takes the - time? i mean, all will be discovered when nigel farage takes the stage i time? i mean, all will be discovered. when nigel farage takes the stage on friday. i when nigel farage takes the stage on frida . ~ ., , , friday. i think the real issue with this kind of _ friday. i think the real issue with this kind of bounce _ friday. i think the real issue with this kind of bounce in _ friday. i think the real issue with this kind of bounce in the - friday. i think the real issue with this kind of bounce in the polls i friday. i think the real issue with j this kind of bounce in the polls is whether— this kind of bounce in the polls is whether or— this kind of bounce in the polls is whether or not this is a temporary thing _ whether or not this is a temporary thing because people have been reminded that nigel farage exist, or whether— reminded that nigel farage exist, or whether this is a sustained bounce that will— whether this is a sustained bounce that will see the conservatives off during _ that will see the conservatives off during the — that will see the conservatives off during the election, and i think if i during the election, and i think if i was _ during the election, and i think if i was the — during the election, and i think if i was the conservatives i would be sweating — i was the conservatives i would be sweating bullets right now, because you know. _ sweating bullets right now, because you know, if nigel farage performs well on _ you know, if nigel farage performs well on friday, then that is a very clear— well on friday, then that is a very clear and — well on friday, then that is a very clear and present danger for the conservative party.— clear and present danger for the conservative party. even though as ou know, conservative party. even though as you know. we _ conservative party. even though as you know. we are _ conservative party. even though as you know, we are hearing - conservative party. even though as you know, we are hearing now, i conservative party. even though as you know, we are hearing now, we| you know, we are hearing now, we havejust you know, we are hearing now, we have just heard from one candidate, the possibility is they are going to field candidates by 4.00 in every seat the chances are they haven't vetted them. seat the chances are they haven't vetted them-— seat the chances are they haven't vetted them. there is a possibility that cross over _ vetted them. there is a possibility that cross over as _ vetted them. there is a possibility that cross over as they _ vetted them. there is a possibility that cross over as they are - vetted them. there is a possibility that cross over as they are calling | that cross over as they are calling it will_ that cross over as they are calling it will happen _ that cross over as they are calling it will happen in _ that cross over as they are calling it will happen in one _ that cross over as they are calling it will happen in one or— that cross over as they are calling it will happen in one or two - that cross over as they are calling. it will happen in one or two opinion polls. _ it will happen in one or two opinion polls. the — it will happen in one or two opinion polls. the polls _ it will happen in one or two opinion polls, the polls that _ it will happen in one or two opinion polls, the polls that nick— it will happen in one or two opinion polls, the polls that nick showed i it will happen in one or two opinionl polls, the polls that nick showed us a few _ polls, the polls that nick showed us a few minutes — polls, the polls that nick showed us a few minutes ago _ polls, the polls that nick showed us a few minutes ago show _ polls, the polls that nick showed us a few minutes ago show they- polls, the polls that nick showed us a few minutes ago show they are i a few minutes ago show they are close. _ a few minutes ago show they are close. one — a few minutes ago show they are close. one or— a few minutes ago show they are close, one or two— a few minutes ago show they are close, one or two will— a few minutes ago show they are close, one or two will happen i a few minutes ago show they are i close, one or two will happen quite soon _ close, one or two will happen quite soon that— close, one or two will happen quite soon that show— close, one or two will happen quite soon that show reform ahead i close, one or two will happen quite soon that show reform ahead of i close, one or two will happen quite i soon that show reform ahead of the conservative, — soon that show reform ahead of the conservative, i— soon that show reform ahead of the conservative, i don't _ soon that show reform ahead of the conservative, i don't think— soon that show reform ahead of the conservative, i don't think they i conservative, i don't think they will be — conservative, idon't think they will be real— conservative, i don't think they will be real and _ conservative, i don't think they will be real and i— conservative, idon't think they will be real and i don't- conservative, i don't think they will be real and i don't think. conservative, i don't think they i will be real and i don't think they will be real and i don't think they will be _ will be real and i don't think they will be sustained _ will be real and i don't think they will be sustained because of- will be real and i don't think they. will be sustained because of these candidates, — will be sustained because of these candidates, i— will be sustained because of these candidates, i don't _ will be sustained because of these candidates, i don't think— will be sustained because of these candidates, i don't think nigel- candidates, i don't think nigel farage, — candidates, i don't think nigel farage, richard _ candidates, idon't think nigel farage, richard ties— candidates, i don't think nigel farage, richard ties are - candidates, i don't think nigel farage, richard ties are racistj candidates, i don't think nigel. farage, richard ties are racist or suspect, — farage, richard ties are racist or suspect, but— farage, richard ties are racist or suspect, but frankly _ farage, richard ties are racist or suspect, but frankly a _ farage, richard ties are racist or suspect, but frankly a lot - farage, richard ties are racist or suspect, but frankly a lot of- farage, richard ties are racist or. suspect, but frankly a lot of people who normally — suspect, but frankly a lot of people who normally attach _ suspect, but frankly a lot of people who normally attach them - suspect, but frankly a lot of people who normally attach them to - suspect, but frankly a lot of people who normally attach them to ukipi suspect, but frankly a lot of people i who normally attach them to ukip and reform _ who normally attach them to ukip and reform are, _ who normally attach them to ukip and reform are, that _ who normally attach them to ukip and reform are, that will _ who normally attach them to ukip and reform are, that will be _ who normally attach them to ukip and reform are, that will be exposed i who normally attach them to ukip and reform are, that will be exposed and i reform are, that will be exposed and we will _ reform are, that will be exposed and we will see _ reform are, that will be exposed and we will see reform _ reform are, that will be exposed and we will see reform vote... _ reform are, that will be exposed and we will see reform vote... what i we will see reform vote... what happened — we will see reform vote... what happened in_ we will see reform vote... what happened in the _ we will see reform vote... what happened in the 72 _ we will see reform vote... what happened in the 72 hours - we will see reform vote... what happened in the 72 hours after. we will see reform vote... what. happened in the 72 hours after one of the _ happened in the 72 hours after one of the cross— happened in the 72 hours after one of the cross over _ happened in the 72 hours after one of the cross over polls _ happened in the 72 hours after one of the cross over polls is _ of the cross over polls is published _ of the cross over polls is published. will- of the cross over polls is published. will the - of the cross over polls is - published. will the conservative party _ published. will the conservative party panic? _ published. will the conservative party panic? this— published. will the conservative party panic? this they _ published. will the conservative party panic? this they lose - published. will the conservative party panic? this they lose it? i published. will the conservative . party panic? this they lose it? the conservative — party panic? this they lose it? the conservative party— party panic? this they lose it? the conservative party as _ party panic? this they lose it? the conservative party as you - party panic? this they lose it? the conservative party as you noticed i conservative party as you noticed they are — conservative party as you noticed they are capahte _ conservative party as you noticed they are capable of— conservative party as you noticed they are capable of doing - conservative party as you noticed they are capable of doing on - they are capable of doing on occasion— they are capable of doing on occasion and _ they are capable of doing on occasion and the _ they are capable of doing on occasion and the mood - they are capable of doing onl occasion and the mood in the conservative _ occasion and the mood in the conservative party— occasion and the mood in the conservative party is - occasion and the mood in the conservative party is very - occasion and the mood in the i conservative party is very fragile at the _ conservative party is very fragile at the moment, _ conservative party is very fragile at the moment, if— conservative party is very fragile at the moment, if those - conservative party is very fragile at the moment, if those polls i conservative party is very fragile . at the moment, if those polls start to show— at the moment, if those polls start to show that — at the moment, if those polls start to show that the _ at the moment, if those polls start to show that the conservative - at the moment, if those polls start| to show that the conservative party isn't heading — to show that the conservative party isn't heading just— to show that the conservative party isn't heading just for— to show that the conservative party isn't heading just for defeat, - to show that the conservative party isn't heading just for defeat, but i isn't heading just for defeat, but for a _ isn't heading just for defeat, but for a cataclysmic— isn't heading just for defeat, but for a cataclysmic result, - isn't heading just for defeat, but for a cataclysmic result, that- isn't heading just for defeat, buti for a cataclysmic result, that sort of panicm — for a cataclysmic result, that sort of panic - -— for a cataclysmic result, that sort of panic. . ._ that l for a cataclysmic result, that sort i of panic. . ._ that sort of panic... what happens? that sort of panic... what happens? that sort of anic of panic... what happens? that sort of panic could _ of panic... what happens? that sort of panic could mean _ of panic... what happens? that sort of panic could mean it _ of panic... what happens? that sort of panic could mean it becomes - of panic could mean it becomes sustained _ of panic could mean it becomes sustained-— sustained. that holding 0 never in the next 72 _ sustained. that holding 0 never in the next 72 hours _ sustained. that holding 0 never in the next 72 hours or _ sustained. that holding 0 never in the next 72 hours or so _ sustained. that holding 0 never in the next 72 hours or so is - sustained. that holding 0 never in the next 72 hours or so is really i the next 72 hours or so is really important _ the next 72 hours or so is really important it— the next 72 hours or so is really important-— the next 72 hours or so is really important. it is interesting what tim is saying. — important. it is interesting what tim is saying, the _ important. it is interesting what tim is saying, the expectation l important. it is interesting what| tim is saying, the expectation is important. it is interesting what - tim is saying, the expectation is we won't have to wait too long to find that reform uk overtake the conservative party in the polls, as you say, as you say, that may not stay the same, it may not be produced on election day, the atmosphere in the party is febrile, when that happens i think the atmosphere will be very, very difficult for rishi sunak. let us look at what _ difficult for rishi sunak. let us look at what young _ difficult for rishi sunak. let us look at what young people - difficult for rishi sunak. let us look at what young people are | difficult for rishi sunak. let us - look at what young people are doing here, what young people, i mean, does reform cut through on social media, who is cutting through on social media? i media, who is cutting through on social media?— media, who is cutting through on social media? ,, . . , , social media? i think what has been interestin: social media? i think what has been interesting is _ social media? i think what has been interesting is the _ social media? i think what has been interesting is the big _ social media? i think what has been interesting is the big moment - social media? i think what has been interesting is the big moment i - social media? i think what has been| interesting is the big moment i have seen reattv— interesting is the big moment i have seen really go viral on line has been _ seen really go viral on line has been the — seen really go viral on line has been the milkshake incident involving nigel farage but mainly to his detriment, so there have been memes— his detriment, so there have been memes showing you know the golden ratio imposed over that famous news wire photo— ratio imposed over that famous news wire photo of the girl hurling the milkshake, the memes about nigel farage _ milkshake, the memes about nigel farage online are not positive, but at the _ farage online are not positive, but at the same — farage online are not positive, but at the same time if you sub crisis rowe _ at the same time if you sub crisis rowe to— at the same time if you sub crisis rowe to the idea all publicity is good _ rowe to the idea all publicity is good publicity, even the bad ones you could — good publicity, even the bad ones you could say nigel farage is maybe taughind _ you could say nigel farage is maybe laughing. part you could say nigel farage is maybe lau~ahin. ., ., , you could say nigel farage is maybe lau..hin_ . ., ,, laughing. part of his stick is even's against _ laughing. part of his stick is even's against him. - laughing. part of his stick is even's against him. the - even's against him. the establishment - even's against him. the establishment is - even's against him. the| establishment is against even's against him. the - establishment is against him. its establishment is against him. its the — establishment is against him. its the donald _ establishment is against him. its the donald trump - establishment is against him. i its the donald trump play book establishment is against him. - its the donald trump play book that idea of still its the donald trump play boo idea of still going on, standing up for people. he won't be unhappy with that milkshake either. tell for people. he won't be unhappy with that milkshake either.— that milkshake either. tell me on the question _ that milkshake either. tell me on the question of— that milkshake either. tell me on the question of other _ that milkshake either. tell me on the question of other parties - that milkshake either. tell me on the question of other parties and | the question of other parties and how things are going, let us look at the liberal democrats. what is their social media presence been like? has it been helpful to ed davey. ianthem social media presence been like? has it been helpful to ed davey.— it been helpful to ed davey. when he has ut it been helpful to ed davey. when he has put himself— it been helpful to ed davey. when he has put himself front _ it been helpful to ed davey. when he has put himself front and _ it been helpful to ed davey. when he has put himself front and centre - it been helpful to ed davey. when he has put himself front and centre of. has put himself front and centre of the liberat— has put himself front and centre of the liberal democrat social media poticies. — the liberal democrat social media policies, paddle boarding, falling off the _ policies, paddle boarding, falling off the paddle board, doing a drum ceremonv. — off the paddle board, doing a drum ceremony, think a lot of people tooked — ceremony, think a lot of people looked at — ceremony, think a lot of people looked at it and thought, hold on a second _ looked at it and thought, hold on a second is— looked at it and thought, hold on a second is this guy for real? but interestingly he has come out with this very— interestingly he has come out with this very empathetic heartfelt video about— this very empathetic heartfelt video about his _ this very empathetic heartfelt video about his experience, caring for his son with _ about his experience, caring for his son with is — about his experience, caring for his son with is veer disability, caring for his— son with is veer disability, caring for his mother who is seriously ill. he has— for his mother who is seriously ill. he has created a clever narrative, he has _ he has created a clever narrative, he has injected himself into the public— he has injected himself into the public conversation, now people are starting _ public conversation, now people are starting to— public conversation, now people are starting to think this guy is quite serious — starting to think this guy is quite serious and he seems to have a heart of gold _ serious and he seems to have a heart of old. ., serious and he seems to have a heart of old. . ., ., of gold. so, we are now going to move a little _ of gold. so, we are now going to move a little bit _ of gold. so, we are now going to move a little bit nick— of gold. so, we are now going to move a little bit nick because i of gold. so, we are now going to | move a little bit nick because we will talk to you about d—day. what do you think has been most striking with what has been happening. there a curious element _ with what has been happening. there a curious element about _ with what has been happening. iii” a curious element about what happened with d—day, you think d—day i984 happened with d—day, you think d—day 1984 margaret thatcher was there, sorry 1984 margaret thatcher was there. 1994john major, 2004 tony blair was there, they were there for the ceremonies, and then this afternoon rishi sunak was there, but then he wasn't there, and we could, there is an interesting picture where we have the world leaders, at the d—day celebrations and we can look to see that david cameron, lord cameron is the british representative, next to president macron of france. the chancellor of germany and on the far right there isjoe biden, we don't have rishi sunak, and that cleared the way for let us look at another picture and we will see who is meeting president zelensky of ukraine, that would be keir starmer. and so the great mystery was why was rishi sunak not there? and we heard on itv news tonight, i understood this was said, i haven't seen it that paul brand the political, it is confirmed paul brand has confirmed that rishi sunak came back to do an interview with him, in which he denied he was a liar. ., him, in which he denied he was a liar. . . , , . , liar. can i absolutely nailthis one. liar. can i absolutely nailthis one- the _ liar. can i absolutely nailthis one. the prime _ liar. can i absolutely nailthis one. the prime minister - liar. can i absolutely nail this| one. the prime minister came liar. can i absolutely nail this - one. the prime minister came back early from the d—day commemoration to onto an interview to clear his name. i to onto an interview to clear his name. , ., ., to onto an interview to clear his name. , . . , ., to onto an interview to clear his name. , . . , . , name. i understand thaw is what is said but i didn't _ name. i understand thaw is what is said but i didn't see _ name. i understand thaw is what is said but i didn't see paul— name. i understand thaw is what is said but i didn't see paul brand - name. i understand thaw is what is said but i didn't see paul brand say that. ~ ., said but i didn't see paul brand say that. ~ . ., ,, said but i didn't see paul brand say that. ~ . ., .~ ., . said but i didn't see paul brand say that. what do you make of that 1234 i want to that. what do you make of that 1234 i want to put — that. what do you make of that 1234 i want to put my _ that. what do you make of that 1234 i want to put my head _ that. what do you make of that 1234 i want to put my head in _ that. what do you make of that 1234 i want to put my head in my - that. what do you make of that 1234 i want to put my head in my hands, | that. what do you make of that 1234| i want to put my head in my hands, i don't _ i want to put my head in my hands, i don't understand _ i want to put my head in my hands, i don't understand it. _ i want to put my head in my hands, i don't understand it. i— i want to put my head in my hands, i don't understand it. i don't— i want to put my head in my hands, i don't understand it. i don't want- i want to put my head in my hands, i don't understand it. i don't want to l don't understand it. i don't want to pre-iudge — don't understand it. i don't want to pre-iudge this, _ don't understand it. i don't want to pre-iudge this, if— don't understand it. i don't want to pre—judge this, if there _ don't understand it. i don't want to pre—judge this, if there is - pre—judge this, if there is something _ pre—judge this, if there is something in— pre—judge this, if there is something in rishi - pre—judge this, if there isi something in rishi sunak's pre—judge this, if there is - something in rishi sunak's family pre—judge this, if there is _ something in rishi sunak's family we he had _ something in rishi sunak's family we he had to— something in rishi sunak's family we he had to come — something in rishi sunak's family we he had to come back— something in rishi sunak's family we he had to come back for— something in rishi sunak's family we he had to come back for we - something in rishi sunak's family we he had to come back for we don't - he had to come back for we don't know _ he had to come back for we don't know. ., �* ., . he had to come back for we don't know. . �* . , know. paul brand is saying he came back... if know. paul brand is saying he came back- -- if he — know. paul brand is saying he came back... if he came _ know. paul brand is saying he came back... if he came back— know. paul brand is saying he came back... if he came back from - back... if he came back from an interview. _ back... if he came back from an interview. a _ back. .. if he came back from an interview, a political— interview, a political interview, from _ interview, a political interview, from the — interview, a political interview, from the 0-day— interview, a political interview, . from the d—day commemorations, interview, a political interview, - from the d—day commemorations, that is indefensible — from the d—day commemorations, that is indefensible. absolutely— is indefensible. absolutely indefensible. _ is indefensible. absolutely indefensible.— is indefensible. absolutely indefensible. . indefensible. paul brand is saying that is the slot _ indefensible. paul brand is saying that is the slot that _ indefensible. paul brand is saying that is the slot that itn _ indefensible. paul brand is saying that is the slot that itn was - that is the slot that itn was offered. itv was offered. that was the slot that sunak's team offered. i really, before i came on this programme _ i really, before i came on this programme i— i really, before i came on this programme i thought- i really, before i came on this programme i thought this - i really, before i came on this. programme i thought this would i really, before i came on this- programme i thought this would come up. i programme i thought this would come up i rang _ programme i thought this would come up i rang all— programme i thought this would come up i rang all ofthe— programme i thought this would come up. i rang all of the contacts _ programme i thought this would come up. i rang all of the contacts i - up. i rang all of the contacts i could — up. i rang all of the contacts i could in— up. i rang all of the contacts i could in downing _ up. i rang all of the contacts i could in downing street, - up. i rang all of the contacts i could in downing street, so, i up. i rang all of the contacts i - could in downing street, so, to give me some _ could in downing street, so, to give me some ammunition _ could in downing street, so, to give me some ammunition to _ could in downing street, so, to give me some ammunition to use - could in downing street, so, to give. me some ammunition to use tonight, and i— me some ammunition to use tonight, and i have _ me some ammunition to use tonight, and i have no— me some ammunition to use tonight, and i have no response, _ me some ammunition to use tonight, and i have no response, i— me some ammunition to use tonight, and i have no response, i don't - and i have no response, i don't think— and i have no response, i don't think they— and i have no response, i don't think they know— and i have no response, i don't think they know how _ and i have no response, i don't think they know how to - and i have no response, i don't think they know how to defend| and i have no response, i don't - think they know how to defend what has happened _ think they know how to defend what has happened. unless _ think they know how to defend what has happened. unless it— think they know how to defend what has happened. unless it is- think they know how to defend what has happened. unless it is a - has happened. unless it is a personal— has happened. unless it is a personal tragedy it - has happened. unless it is a personal tragedy it is - has happened. unless it is a - personal tragedy it is extraordinary that the _ personal tragedy it is extraordinary that the prime _ personal tragedy it is extraordinary that the prime minister— personal tragedy it is extraordinary that the prime minister of- personal tragedy it is extraordinary that the prime minister of the - that the prime minister of the united — that the prime minister of the united kingdom _ that the prime minister of the united kingdom of— that the prime minister of the united kingdom of great - that the prime minister of the l united kingdom of great britain that the prime minister of the - united kingdom of great britain and northern— united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, _ united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, a _ united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, a time _ united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, a time where - united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, a time where the i northern ireland, a time where the kin- northern ireland, a time where the king advanced _ northern ireland, a time where the king advanced his— northern ireland, a time where the king advanced his medical- northern ireland, a time where the i king advanced his medical treatment so he _ king advanced his medical treatment so he was _ king advanced his medical treatment so he was there. _ king advanced his medical treatment so he was there, this _ king advanced his medical treatment so he was there, this is _ king advanced his medical treatment so he was there, this is going - king advanced his medical treatment so he was there, this is going to - king advanced his medical treatment so he was there, this is going to be i so he was there, this is going to be the last— so he was there, this is going to be the last commemoration _ so he was there, this is going to be the last commemoration where - the last commemoration where survivors, — the last commemoration where survivors, a _ the last commemoration where survivors, a big _ the last commemoration wherei survivors, a big commemoration the last commemoration where - survivors, a big commemoration where survivors— survivors, a big commemoration where survivors will _ survivors, a big commemoration where survivors will be — survivors, a big commemoration where survivors will be present. _ survivors, a big commemoration where survivors will be present. i— survivors will be present. i think it is political— survivors will be present. i think it is political malls _ survivors will be present. i think it is political malls from - survivors will be present. i think it is political malls from tick- survivors will be present. i think it is political malls from tick of. it is political malls from tick of the highest _ it is political malls from tick of the highest order, _ it is political malls from tick of the highest order, if— it is political malls from tick of the highest order, if rishi - it is political malls from tick of. the highest order, if rishi sunak absented — the highest order, if rishi sunak absented himself— the highest order, if rishi sunak absented himself for— the highest order, if rishi sunak absented himself for an - the highest order, if rishi sunak absented himself for an election interview— absented himself for an election interview on _ absented himself for an election interview on itv. _ absented himself for an election interview on itv. lit— absented himself for an election interview on itv. [it is _ absented himself for an election interview on itv.— interview on itv. it is not very rime interview on itv. it is not very prime ministerial. _ interview on itv. it is not very prime ministerial. it _ interview on itv. it is not very prime ministerial. it is not - prime ministerial. it is not dignified- _ prime ministerial. it is not dignified. it _ prime ministerial. it is not dignified. it is _ prime ministerial. it is not dignified. it is not - prime ministerial. it is not dignified. it is not the - prime ministerial. it is not| dignified. it is not the right thing do at _ dignified. it is not the right thing do at a _ dignified. it is not the right thing do at a fundamental _ dignified. it is not the right thing do at a fundamental level. - dignified. it is not the right thing do at a fundamental level. [it - dignified. it is not the right thing do at a fundamental level. [it is i do at a fundamental level. it is interesting _ do at a fundamental level. it is interesting you _ do at a fundamental level. it is interesting you had _ do at a fundamental level. interesting you had jim having someone _ interesting you had jim having someone who can repair the special relationship. it is not repairing it if you _ relationship. it is not repairing it if you disappear half way through a 0-day— if you disappear half way through a d—day ceremony to tend do your own political— d—day ceremony to tend do your own political reputation. g let us luke at the papers. reform surge is a new poll shows farage effect is the independent, i financial timings mark ron there with the king, on the guardian, pressure on tories to return 50 mental health donation after new claim, the telegraph in the footsteps of heroes and finally the daily mail a salute and prayer for the fallen and on the bottom there in the mail. mail. mail health guru michael mosley missing in greece as we know he is. well, that is it for tonight. faisal�*s here tomorrow. before we go, the western allied world leaders gathered on omaha beach today to pay their respects to the heroes of d—day, the youngest of whom still alive are now in their mid—905. we leave you that, and a previously unheard tape of the final recollections of field marshall lord bramall, the former head of the british armed forces, who passed away in 2019. as a 20—year—old lieutenant, he led a mechanised infantry platoon into normandy. goodnight. last post plays i was with a group waiting to go forward in battle around the headquarter vehicle where there was the company commander, the sergeant major, the driver, a signaller, myself, and one other platoon commander. shells started to fall. we dived under the vehicle to get some sort of cover and the shells came nearer and nearer. i remember at one time, one of us, quite calm, funnily enough, saying, "do you think we've had it?"

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