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uninspiring in terms of their ability tojust talk, uninspiring in terms of their ability to just talk, but instead it's very— ability to just talk, but instead it's very controlled. they both need to loosen _ it's very controlled. they both need to loosen up if they are going to have _ to loosen up if they are going to have any— to loosen up if they are going to have any connection with the public and that— have any connection with the public and that is— have any connection with the public and that is probably not easy for either— and that is probably not easy for either of— and that is probably not easy for either of them.— either of them. every time you come on newscast. — either of them. every time you come on newscast. we _ either of them. every time you come on newscast, we get _ either of them. every time you come on newscast, we get a _ either of them. every time you come on newscast, we get a boris - either of them. every time you come on newscast, we get a boris johnson on newscast, we get a borisjohnson horror story come i don't want to dry horror story come i don't want to pry that's cliche as well, but that comes back to my point. my clinic there so many of them! multiple podcasts. you been in business for years. but back to my point about how the character of the person doesn't always play out to the way you think it would because you think borisjohnson, a person who rips up the rules, whose very entertaining, who is prepared to be quite aggressive but can do it in a way that looks quite funny, actually even he didn't have that many great debate moments either. he even he didn't have that many great debate moments either.— debate moments either. he had a really mixed _ debate moments either. he had a really mixed run. _ debate moments either. he had a really mixed run. i _ debate moments either. he had a really mixed run. i mean, - debate moments either. he had a really mixed run. i mean, the - debate moments either. he had a| really mixed run. i mean, the first one was— really mixed run. i mean, the first one was back in 2008 for the may oral election. and we haven't had this in_ oral election. and we haven't had this in the — oral election. and we haven't had this in the uk before so we were planning — this in the uk before so we were planning for something we didn't even _ planning for something we didn't even really understand. it was difficult — even really understand. it was difficult. what happened, if you look difficult. what happened, if you took at — difficult. what happened, if you