well, let's start with the big news overnight that donald trump has become the first president in american history to be convicted of a crime. let's take a look at some of the front pages. this is the times. pictures of him in the new york court, where he was tried and found guilty on all counts of falsifying business records. the daily telegraph... he has his eyes closed there. let's have a look at another trump page. closed there. let's have a look at anothertrump page. —— closed there. let's have a look at another trump page. —— front page. one word on the new york times, guilty. and a different take in the new york post, injustice. let's get your reaction when you heard the news, ailbhe. it’s heard the news, ailbhe. it's extraordinary, _ heard the news, ailbhe. it�*s extraordinary, isn't it? guilty of all charges. my boot colleagues were covering this in the states, we just need to see what happens, and what kind of sentence you get and if he gets sent to prison, it looks likely he will appeal so this will drag on. what was your reaction?— what was your reaction? firstly, i was like, what was your reaction? firstly, i was like. my _ what was your reaction? firstly, i was like, my gosh, _ what was your reaction? firstly, i was like, my gosh, this _ what was your reaction? firstly, i was like, my gosh, this is - what was your reaction? firstly, i was like, my gosh, this is going l what was your reaction? firstly, i l was like, my gosh, this is going to derail_ was like, my gosh, this is going to derail everything because you could pre-empt_ derail everything because you could pre—empt what he was going to say. i'm going _ pre—empt what he was going to say. i'm going to— pre—empt what he was going to say. i'm going to attack everybody else, this i'm going to attack everybody else, thisjury_ i'm going to attack everybody else, thisjury has returned the verdict. and i_ thisjury has returned the verdict. and i am — thisjury has returned the verdict. and i am intrigued on how it will play out — and i am intrigued on how it will play out here because there are some bil play out here because there are some big questions for the leaders that are going — big questions for the leaders that are going to be asked about how they will deal— are going to be asked about how they will deal with the president, a former— will deal with the president, a former president who might be elected. — former president who might be elected, it will make for an interesting next few months. it interesting next few months. certainly interesting next few months. it certainly will. meg, what did you think when you heard the news? i saw think when you heard the news? i saw all 34 and that — think when you heard the news? i saw all 34 and that was _ think when you heard the news? i saw all 34 and that was the _ think when you heard the news? i saw all 34 and that was the first time i had picked — all 34 and that was the first time i had picked up _ all 34 and that was the first time i had picked up the _ all 34 and that was the first time i had picked up the headline - all 34 and that was the first time i had picked up the headline and ii all 34 and that was the first time i i had picked up the headline and i was really— had picked up the headline and i was really shocked~ — had picked up the headline and i was really shocked. it's _ had picked up the headline and i was really shocked. it's quite _ had picked up the headline and i was really shocked. it's quite a _ had picked up the headline and i was really shocked. it's quite a reeling i really shocked. it's quite a reeling thing. _ really shocked. it's quite a reeling thing. that— really shocked. it's quite a reeling thing, that someone _ really shocked. it's quite a reeling thing, that someone who - really shocked. it's quite a reeling thing, that someone who was - really shocked. it's quite a reeling thing, that someone who was the | thing, that someone who was the leader— thing, that someone who was the leader of— thing, that someone who was the leader of the _ thing, that someone who was the leader of the free _ thing, that someone who was the leader of the free world _ thing, that someone who was the leader of the free world as - thing, that someone who was the leader of the free world as they. leader of the free world as they like to— leader of the free world as they like to describe _ leader of the free world as they like to describe themselves - leader of the free world as they like to describe themselves in i leader of the free world as they. like to describe themselves in the united _ like to describe themselves in the united states— like to describe themselves in the united states has— like to describe themselves in the united states has had _ like to describe themselves in the united states has had this - united states has had this conviction. _ united states has had this conviction. i— united states has had this conviction. i think- united states has had this conviction. i think there i united states has had this. conviction. i think there are united states has had this - conviction. i think there are big challenges _ conviction. i think there are big challenges ahead, _ conviction. i think there are big challenges ahead, it _ conviction. i think there are big challenges ahead, it could - conviction. i think there are big challenges ahead, it could butl conviction. i think there are big l challenges ahead, it could but up i’ilht challenges ahead, it could but up right up— challenges ahead, it could but up right up against— challenges ahead, it could but up right up against the _ challenges ahead, it could but up right up against the republican . right up against the republican selection — right up against the republican selection and _ right up against the republican selection and the _ right up against the republican selection and the us _ right up against the republican selection and the us election l selection and the us election because _ selection and the us election because of— selection and the us election because of the _ selection and the us election because of the appeal. - selection and the us election because of the appeal. find i selection and the us election because of the appeal. and welcome for the second _ because of the appeal. and welcome for the second time _ because of the appeal. and welcome for the second time this _ because of the appeal. and welcome for the second time this week, - because of the appeal. and welcome for the second time this week, mel. for the second time this week, mel stride, are they only letting it out at conservative headquarters? i am at conservative headquarters? i am here by penular_ at conservative headquarters? i —.n here by popular demand! at conservative headquarters? i am here by popular demand! of - at conservative headquarters? i am| here by popular demand! of course, of course! we _ here by popular demand! of course, of course! we are _ here by popular demand! of course, of course! we are very _ here by popular demand! of course, of course! we are very pleased - here by popular demand! of course, of course! we are very pleased to i of course! we are very pleased to have you here twice in one week. your response to the story? this have you here twice in one week. your response to the story? as with eve bod your response to the story? as with everybody else. _ your response to the story? as with everybody else. an _ your response to the story? as with everybody else, an extraordinary i everybody else, an extraordinary moment in the us. not entirely unprecedented, i believe there was a communist that ran for the presidency of the united states 100 years ago and did it from prison. but i'm not going to say anything at all because as a uk cabinet minister, we keep right out of us elections. i will not say anything one way or another, rather than it is the american people that decide. let's go to new york and speak to someone very familiar to the programme, and to me, and a veteran follower of the us politic, andrew neil. ., ., ., follower of the us politic, andrew neil. ., ., you are neil. hello, good afternoon. you are in the city which _ neil. hello, good afternoon. you are in the city which has _ neil. hello, good afternoon. you are in the city which has made _ neil. hello, good afternoon. you are in the city which has made donald i in the city which has made donald trump and is now convicted him, we are in uncharted territory? yes. trump and is now convicted him, we are in uncharted territory?— are in uncharted territory? yes, the first ever former _ are in uncharted territory? yes, the first ever former president - are in uncharted territory? yes, the first ever former president to i are in uncharted territory? yes, the first ever former president to be i first ever former president to be convicted of a crime. that hasn't happened before. it will of course be appealed, but the appeal will not be appealed, but the appeal will not be resolved this side of november. so in other words, we go into the election with this hanging over us. mr biden and his people will say, do you want it convicted felon as your president? doesn't this confirm our view that he has never been fit to be in the white house or any public office, never mind the highest? mr trump's people will say, i am a political prisoner, the victim of the political witch hunt. they couldn't beat me at the ballot box so they fixed to the courts, a democraticjudge and jury, a democraticjudge and jury, a democratic district attorney, to stop me from becoming president. the verdict on that, the people, on november the 5th, will have to decide which version of events they choose before they vote.— decide which version of events they choose before they vote. andrew, a lot of people _ choose before they vote. andrew, a lot of people will _ choose before they vote. andrew, a lot of people will want _ choose before they vote. andrew, a lot of people will want to _ choose before they vote. andrew, a lot of people will want to know, i lot of people will want to know, will donald trump go to jail? will donald trump go to “ail? well, we don't will donald trump go to “ail? well, we don-t know * will donald trump go to “ail? well, we don't know that. i will donald trump go to jail? in we don't know that. sentencing isn't until the 11th ofjuly, three days before the republican convention in milwaukee where mr trump will be crowned the republican, official presidential candidate for 2024. it is a white collar crime, he is a first offender on these things, it's unusualfor first offender on these things, it's unusual forjail first offender on these things, it's unusualforjail time to first offender on these things, it's unusual forjail time to be given. evenif unusual forjail time to be given. even if he is givenjail time, the judge, and the republicans say he might because he is an anti—trump judge, they claim, he will not go to jail because the appeal process. that from having. there is nothing in the us constitution stopping someone running for president from jail or a convicted felon. mel stride was right, but he wasn't a community communist, he was an anti—conscription campaigner, woodrow wilson threw him in jail and he ran for president and got a million votes. i interviewed him and he was an interesting character. it he was an interesting character. it does seem incredible that many —— to many people that none of this would prevent him running for president. you have outlined the campaign pictures if you like, but what will be on voters in the united states who are not natural trump supporters but might have considered voting for him if he were running? first but might have considered voting for him if he were running?— him if he were running? first of all, this him if he were running? first of all. this has _ him if he were running? first of all, this has further _ him if he were running? first of all, this has further divided i him if he were running? first of all, this has further divided and j all, this has further divided and already highly polarised country. this has confirmed everything the biden base didn't like and hated about trump, and confirmed everything the trump base thinks about the system being stacked against them. mr biden and mr trump have been —— have a visceral hatred of each other. i think it will fire up of each other. i think it will fire up mr trump of each other. i think it will fire up mrtrump more of each other. i think it will fire up mr trump more because the biden camp, i speak to a lot of people in a democratic nurturing —— democratic national committee, the biden campaign is tottering, he is visibly ageing in front of us whereas trump will get a new lease of life. the issue is, how is this going to go down amongst centrists, moderates and independents, particularly suburban women. how this is interpreted in the suburbs and that it's further out from the city centre, in detroit, milwaukee and philadelphia, will determine the outcome of the 2024 presidential election. ~ ., ., ,, , outcome of the 2024 presidential election. . ., ., ,, , , election. whatever happens, there is the very real — election. whatever happens, there is the very real prospect _ election. whatever happens, there is the very real prospect that _ election. whatever happens, there is the very real prospect that whoever l the very real prospect that whoever wins the general election here in the uk could well be dealing with a convicted felon. what strains or difficulties will that bring to the uk's relationship, if any, with the us? ~ uk's relationship, if any, with the us? , us? well, some politicians in britain have _ us? well, some politicians in britain have already - us? well, some politicians in britain have already tied i britain have already tied themselves in knots over donald trump. he is a difficult candidate to know how to deal with. difficult candidate to know how to dealwith. david lammy difficult candidate to know how to deal with. david lammy the shadow home secretary at one stage was referring to mr trump as a nazi. in the past month, mr lambie has been reaching out to trump people, and he has met them. so, from nancy too, can i meet you? —— not see too, can i meet you? because convicted felon or not, the british prime minister will have to deal with him whether we like it or not. we live in a world of realpolitik, whoever runs america it doesn't take away from the fact that it is by far our most important ally. we have got a visibly ailing president and a convicted felon as his opponent, so this is a good day for president by —— for president putin in moscow and president xi in chinese. western democracy could be seen to be in the dirt and not up to the challenges that the world faces. you dirt and not up to the challenges that the world faces.— dirt and not up to the challenges that the world faces. you have an excitin: that the world faces. you have an exciting few _ that the world faces. you have an exciting few months _ that the world faces. you have an exciting few months to _ that the world faces. you have an exciting few months to a - that the world faces. you have an exciting few months to a head, i that the world faces. you have an i exciting few months to a head, let's put it like that.— exciting few months to a head, let's put it like that._ great i put it like that. sure have! great to talk to you. _ put it like that. sure have! great to talk to you. yes, _ put it like that. sure have! great to talk to you. yes, david i put it like that. sure have! great i to talk to you. yes, david lammy, shadow home secretary, may be becoming the foreign secretary, changed his tone, a bit of realpolitik was like andrew is right,. realpolitik was like andrew is ri . ht,. ~ realpolitik was like andrew is rirht,. ~ . realpolitik was like andrew is riaht,.~ ., ., realpolitik was like andrew is rirht,. ., ., ., ., , right,. we have to deal with leaders who are elected _ right,. we have to deal with leaders who are elected and _ right,. we have to deal with leaders who are elected and not _ right,. we have to deal with leaders who are elected and not elected, i right,. we have to deal with leaders who are elected and not elected, of| who are elected and not elected, of course. , , ., who are elected and not elected, of course. , ,., . , who are elected and not elected, of course. , , ._ course. this is our closest ally. you have _ course. this is our closest ally. you have to — course. this is our closest ally. you have to deal _ course. this is our closest ally. you have to deal with - course. this is our closest ally. you have to deal with what i course. this is our closest ally. you have to deal with what you course. this is our closest ally. i you have to deal with what you have got. we are due to have a new ambassador in washington as well just after, i think they will be taking over injanuary just after, i think they will be taking over in january whenever the new president is elected. that will have to be an engagement and any government will engage, keir starmer if he is elected as prime minister, with the president whoever it is. whoever wins the election, what will be going through their minds? rishi sunak keir starmer, in that first visit, if it is donald trump? i think that probably, common interests _ think that probably, common interests are tramping personalities. there are so many threats— personalities. there are so many threats from china, issues with russia — threats from china, issues with russia and _ threats from china, issues with russia and ukraine and so on and so forth, _ russia and ukraine and so on and so forth, we _ russia and ukraine and so on and so forth, we have a commonality of interest— forth, we have a commonality of interest that will bind us together as has— interest that will bind us together as has traditionally been the case over decades. i think that will win through. — over decades. i think that will win through, whatever. do over decades. i think that will win through, whatever.— through, whatever. do you think --eole through, whatever. do you think people are _ through, whatever. do you think people are already _ through, whatever. do you think people are already thinking i through, whatever. do you think| people are already thinking about the consequences of what could happen in november? 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