we know that harvey weinstein�*s convention was overturned. a lot of evidence was a highly prejudicial. certainly, the stormy daniels testimony and the testimony from david pecker wasn't really pertinent to necessarily stormy daniels. the issue as far as the money that was given over. her �*s testimony went way beyond the business record record. this is what this case was about. then you have a conspiracy that was argued which was not charged, you have a menu of three different crimes that the jury could pick from, and they didn't have to agree on which crime they would rely on. you have a law which was incredibly novel as to the way it was used. it's never been used that sway. the actual charges were time—barred, but because of machinations relating to how they took this up, they brought this into court. so there are a lot of questions here, and of course you have thejudge, questions here, and of course you have the judge, whether he was biased, whether that affected the jury, the fact that they were not allowed to bring in an election expert when it clearly, state election law and federal election law were both two of the three crimes that could be brought. did you also have tax fraud issues that they brought up on closing. it wasn't discussed, one in charge, wasn't discussed, one in charge, wasn't brought up during the trial, so that means the defendant and have a chance to respond. there are lots of issues and even more than that. clearly, there will be an appeal. it's going to be, i'm sure argued very strenuously by trump's team and it will be very interesting to watch. 0k come of those are points that are likely to be brought up and we're still looking here at pictures of manhattan and we were also looking for the da alvin bragg, that's been announced for 630 so we are behind on that but we'll go to it as soon as it happens. we have bbc correspondent katie k, and i want to get what you're hearing, possible reactions from the trump team as to what your sources are saying. i landed at washington airport about 50 minutes ago to hear the news but i am 50 minutes ago to hear the news but lam already— 50 minutes ago to hear the news but i am already getting responses from people _ i am already getting responses from people who are close to president trump _ people who are close to president trump and — people who are close to president trump and also senior people in the biden_ trump and also senior people in the biden campaigns, and the biden campaign is telling me they are projecting confidence that they have always _ projecting confidence that they have always felt we knew all along that we were _ always felt we knew all along that we were going to beat trump at the ballot _ we were going to beat trump at the ballot box _ we were going to beat trump at the ballot box and they were saying the only way really for them to be president trump whether or not he's a convicted _ president trump whether or not he's a convicted felon is at the ballot box but — a convicted felon is at the ballot box but they said they always felt were going to do that but this reinforces the sense of confidence on the _ reinforces the sense of confidence on the biden side that they will be able to— on the biden side that they will be able to be — on the biden side that they will be able to be president trump, they will be _ able to be president trump, they will be able to beat president trump in november, let's see what happens there _ in november, let's see what happens there it's _ in november, let's see what happens there. it's interesting, from the trump — there. it's interesting, from the trump team people close to president trump _ trump team people close to president trump l _ trump team people close to president trump i haven't got hold of someone serrior— trump i haven't got hold of someone senior irr— trump i haven't got hold of someone senior in the — trump i haven't got hold of someone senior in the trump campaign but what _ senior in the trump campaign but what i _ senior in the trump campaign but what i am— senior in the trump campaign but what i am speaking to people who are close to _ what i am speaking to people who are close to president trump in one of them _ close to president trump in one of them has — close to president trump in one of them hasjust texted me, it's a gop civil war _ them hasjust texted me, it's a gop civilwar it's— them hasjust texted me, it's a gop civil war. it's a republican party civil— civil war. it's a republican party civil war and what he was referring to is the _ civil war and what he was referring to is the fact that this is a moment in which _ to is the fact that this is a moment in which team trump is watching to see which— in which team trump is watching to see which republicans defend the president and which republicans defend _ president and which republicans defend the justjudicial president and which republicans defend the just judicial process. yotr've — defend the just judicial process. you've already had one of trump's campaign — you've already had one of trump's campaign manager post on twitter that this _ campaign manager post on twitter that this is — campaign manager post on twitter that this is the end of the campaign of one _ that this is the end of the campaign of one republican who is running for the senate — of one republican who is running for the senate in maryland who had defended the judicial process so very clear— defended the judicial process so very clear lines being drawn in the trump _ very clear lines being drawn in the trump campaign, another person close to president— trump campaign, another person close to president trump has texted me to say that— to president trump has texted me to say that they always, they were surprised — say that they always, they were surprised by this verdict although i'm surprised by this verdict although i'm not— surprised by this verdict although i'm not sure about that because i've heard _ i'm not sure about that because i've heard from — i'm not sure about that because i've heard from some trump people that they expected a hung jury, anyway they expected a hung jury, anyway they are _ they expected a hung jury, anyway they are not saying surprised by this verdict and were saying that they will— this verdict and were saying that they will appeal it. so this is going — they will appeal it. so this is going to _ they will appeal it. so this is going to play out legally, one thing that has— going to play out legally, one thing that has struck me is that it raises my initial— that has struck me is that it raises my initial reaction to this and watching _ my initial reaction to this and watching what i'm hearing from around — watching what i'm hearing from around republican party and particularly pro—trump party circles that this _ particularly pro—trump party circles that this raises the temperature in a country— that this raises the temperature in a country that was already pretty on edge _ a country that was already pretty on edge and _ a country that was already pretty on edge. and what you're hearing about people _ edge. and what you're hearing about people talking about this being a dangerous moment and democrats will come after— dangerous moment and democrats will come after republican families, this raises _ come after republican families, this raises the _ come after republican families, this raises the temperature and i think it's no— raises the temperature and i think it's no surprise to me that the police — it's no surprise to me that the police in — it's no surprise to me that the police in new york are stepping up security precautions tonight, because _ security precautions tonight, because this is a tense moment in america. — because this is a tense moment in america, this has never happened before _ america, this has never happened before we — america, this has never happened before. we don't know what the political — before. we don't know what the political outcome of this will become _ political outcome of this will become a we don't know what impact this will— become a we don't know what impact this will have yet on the election campaign — this will have yet on the election campaign but it does come in a country— campaign but it does come in a country that is already polarised and where there is quite a lot of violent political rhetoric out there. _ violent political rhetoric out there, i've heard it, you've heard it and _ there, i've heard it, you've heard it and this — there, i've heard it, you've heard it and this is _ there, i've heard it, you've heard it and this is going to make a lot of people nervous.— it and this is going to make a lot of people nervous. such an important oint on of people nervous. such an important point on the — of people nervous. such an important point on the temperature _ of people nervous. such an important point on the temperature in _ of people nervous. such an important point on the temperature in the - point on the temperature in the country retina, we have been seeing some reactions pouring in from republicans in support of donald trump. i want to go back to a few points you made. first of all perhaps to ask we have all been watching or hearing rather how donald trump is reacting in the courtroom the last few weeks and that moment the verdict came down, that moment the verdict came down, that he didn't actually react, he stayed very still. give us your sense of how he would be taking all this. 50 sense of how he would be taking all this. , ,., ~' sense of how he would be taking all this. , ,., ,, ., sense of how he would be taking all this. , ., ,~ this. so i spoke to somebody a few minutes ago _ this. so i spoke to somebody a few minutes ago who _ this. so i spoke to somebody a few minutes ago who knew— this. so i spoke to somebody a few minutes ago who knew donald - this. so i spoke to somebody a few. minutes ago who knew donald trump very well— minutes ago who knew donald trump very well who worked in his first administration, who was with him on the campaign trail for a long time in 2015— the campaign trail for a long time in 2015 and he says having known donald _ in 2015 and he says having known donald trump that this is going to really come of the word to use to me were, _ really come of the word to use to me were, this _ really come of the word to use to me were, this will make him boil and that he _ were, this will make him boil and that he will— were, this will make him boil and that he will be furious at this. and furious _ that he will be furious at this. and furious this — that he will be furious at this. and furious this is out of his control, that— furious this is out of his control, that he — furious this is out of his control, that he can't control this. sol... despite — that he can't control this. sol... despite you _ that he can't control this. sol... despite you know, and economists response _ despite you know, and economists response to this additional verdict, this is— response to this additional verdict, this is not— response to this additional verdict, this is notjust reading the transcript. —— equananimous attacking the judge to be impartial, talking about again millions— to be impartial, talking about again millions of— to be impartial, talking about again millions of people coming into the country— millions of people coming into the country a — millions of people coming into the country a hodgepodge collection of all the _ country a hodgepodge collection of all the things that donald trump talks— all the things that donald trump talks about but of course that the -a l talks about but of course that the gag order— talks about but of course that the gag order is lifted on him he is going directly after the system and the judge himself. so going directly after the system and thejudge himself. sol going directly after the system and the judge himself. so i can't imagine _ the judge himself. so i can't imagine that this is going to make donald _ imagine that this is going to make donald trump very happy. nobody that i donald trump very happy. nobody that i have _ donald trump very happy. nobody that i have spoken to in the course of the last— i have spoken to in the course of the last 45— i have spoken to in the course of the last 45 minutes since i heard the last 45 minutes since i heard the verdict — the last 45 minutes since i heard the verdict seems to think that donald — the verdict seems to think that donald trump is going to go to prison— donald trump is going to go to prison for— donald trump is going to go to prison for this, it's a first offence~ _ prison for this, it's a first offence. it's a nonviolent offence, but just _ offence. it's a nonviolent offence, but just the fact of being a convicted felon is, is a blow to anybody— convicted felon is, is a blow to anybody and i can't imagine that it's the _ anybody and i can't imagine that it's the kind of thing that anybody is thrilled — it's the kind of thing that anybody is thrilled to hear the news of let alone _ is thrilled to hear the news of let alone somebody who is running for president— alone somebody who is running for president of the united states and as he _ president of the united states and as he said — president of the united states and as he said in that statement clearly believes— as he said in that statement clearly believes that this was rigged against — believes that this was rigged against him and as other trump supporters are also saying, that this is— supporters are also saying, that this is a — supporters are also saying, that this is a rigged system and it was against _ this is a rigged system and it was against him, even though there's no evidence _ against him, even though there's no evidence of— against him, even though there's no evidence of course that joe against him, even though there's no evidence of course thatjoe biden was behind any of this. evidence of course that joe biden was behind any of this.— evidence of course that joe biden was behind any of this. indeed, and he is saying. _ was behind any of this. indeed, and he is saying. as _ was behind any of this. indeed, and he is saying, as you're _ was behind any of this. indeed, and he is saying, as you're speaking we| he is saying, as you're speaking we are looking at pictures of the room where the press conference with da alvin bragg is going to take place. . you mentioned some of your contacts in the biden campaign and president biden's world as well, we've been speaking with our guests here i think richard paynter was saying he was quite disappointed that you saw the biden harris campaign issue a statement that he wished that they hadn't had a reaction, that adds to the temperature you mentioned. what do you think of that? so temperature you mentioned. what do you think of that? sal temperature you mentioned. what do you think of that?— you think of that? so i had one, i texted with _ you think of that? so i had one, i texted with one _ you think of that? so i had one, i texted with one democratic- texted with one democratic congressmanjust texted with one democratic congressman just a texted with one democratic congressmanjust a few texted with one democratic congressman just a few minutes ago, he just— congressman just a few minutes ago, he just texted me back saying truly no person— he just texted me back saying truly no person is above the law. it's heartening _ no person is above the law. it's heartening to see that proven true. so i heartening to see that proven true. so i think— heartening to see that proven true. so i think democrats are trying to play this— so i think democrats are trying to play this is— so i think democrats are trying to play this is the judicial system working — play this is the judicial system working in the way that it is meant to work— working in the way that it is meant to work and — working in the way that it is meant to work and pointing us to the november elections. i think it would have been. — november elections. i think it would have been, honestly, quite surprising if the biden campaign hadn't _ surprising if the biden campaign hadn't issued some kind of statement. the president of the united _ statement. the president of the united states running against donald trump, _ united states running against donald trump, a _ united states running against donald trump, a former president, it's the first time _ trump, a former president, it's the first time in— trump, a former president, it's the first time in american history that you have — first time in american history that you have a — first time in american history that you have a former president convicted _ you have a former president convicted of a felony. so it would have _ convicted of a felony. so it would have been. — convicted of a felony. so it would have been, ithink, a little unrealistic to not have the biden campaign — unrealistic to not have the biden campaign issue some kind of statement. it is going to be interesting to see in the coming days— interesting to see in the coming days that — interesting to see in the coming days that i don't know how this is going _ days that i don't know how this is going to — days that i don't know how this is going to play out. i remember in 2022, _ going to play out. i remember in 2022, people spoke to me directly about— 2022, people spoke to me directly about civil — 2022, people spoke to me directly about civil war. people told me they were going _ about civil war. people told me they were going to take up arms if republicans lost the midterm elections. there was no civil war, people _ elections. there was no civil war, people did — elections. there was no civil war, people did not take up arms because of the _ people did not take up arms because of the midterm election. i'm always a little _ of the midterm election. i'm always a little bit _ of the midterm election. i'm always a little bit wary of that kind of hyperbole talk. it will be interesting to see who can bring the temperature down. who are the figures — temperature down. who are the figures on — temperature down. who are the figures on both sides who have both the authority of the calmness and some _ the authority of the calmness and some degree of bipartisan support who can _ some degree of bipartisan support who can bring the temperature down when _ who can bring the temperature down when there _ who can bring the temperature down when there are going to be a lot of people _ when there are going to be a lot of people on— when there are going to be a lot of people on both sides that have an interest— people on both sides that have an interest now in rationing —— ratcheting _ interest now in rationing —— ratcheting up the temperature. and using _ ratcheting up the temperature. and using this _ ratcheting up the temperature. and using this for political gain one side _ using this for political gain one side of— using this for political gain one side of the other. in the end it will be — side of the other. in the end it will be up _ side of the other. in the end it will be up to american voters. their will be up to american voters. their will maybe — will be up to american voters. their will maybe be an appeal, we will see what kind _ will maybe be an appeal, we will see what kind of sentence, four days right _ what kind of sentence, four days right before the republican convention, the judge hands down to former— convention, the judge hands down to former president trump but the political— former president trump but the political implications of this i think— political implications of this i think we _ political implications of this i think we still have to wait a little