After years of keeping a low profile Paula Venables was thrust into the spotlight this week and making her way through a scrum of cameras may have been the easy part. She started with an apology. I would just like to say, and im gratefulfor the opportunity to do this in person, how sorry i am for all that subpostmasters and theirfamilies and others have suffered as a result of all of the matters that the inquiry has been looking into for so long. There were tears as she was asked about the death of a subpostmaster who took his own life after being financially ruined by the post office. And i mentioned that. Im sorry. I imagine that i was probably. Just pause. Try and compose yourself if you can, and then continue your evidence, please. She defended her role. She may have been the boss, she said, but she wasnt responsible for everything. And she wasnt told everything either. You are not responsible for everything that happens underneath you. You have to rely on the advice of internal and external experts. By day three of hearing her evidence, the lawyers for the subpostmasters were clearly unimpressed and they went on the attack. I didnt know. Nobody told me. I cant remember. I wasnt shown this. I relied on the lawyers. I have tried to do this to the very best of my ability. It is extraordinary, though, isnt it, because cartwright king, your external lawyers, know all about it, and yet youre saying that you didnt. The board didnt. I mean, this is la la land, isnt it . And the subpostmasters who were watching also seemed unconvinced. The Crocodile Tears did not faze me whatsoever. I was sat right at the front with my solicitor and i just wish shed answer the questions instead of going round and round in circles with the same answers. I think shes she knows a lot more than what shes letting on. And i think basically shes lying. After three days of testimony, Paula Venables left flanked after three days of testimony, Paula Venells left flanked by police, the end of another major chapter in one of the biggest scandals the uk has ever seen. Theo leggett, bbc news. Earlier i spoke to former sub postmaster, Tim Brentnall to gauge his reaction to paula vennell� s evidence. I thought she might approach proceedings with some openness and contrition but its just more of the same from what weve come to see from post Office Witnesses at the inquiries. Lies and deflections. She made 20 apologies. That wasnt enough and she said she was not responsible for everything. I suppose what they are trying to establish is who knew what and who is responsible, who is taking responsibility in all of this . Who is more responsible in a company than the ceo . She was quite prepared to take the salary for the year she the salary for the years she was in that position but when anything awkward was put to her, she to her, she seemed to deny she was across the detail of absolutely anything. How do you feel more generally about this inquiry and its ability to achieve anything . Ive got confidence in the inquiry. From what ive seen of the lawyers and councils they are really across the issues. It started off and is called the post office and horizon it inquiry and it seems now that it was more about the culture in the post office than this. Could you remind us what happened to you because it was a £22,000 shortfall that was. That you were accused of. Can you explain your situation . I was audited in late 2009, a £22,500 shortfall which the post office demanded i paid back immediately. As soon as i did so, i was charged with false accounting and my barrister advised me to plead guilty to. They said that in a crown court, a jury wouldnt believe me and that the post office didnt provide any kind of disclosure to mount any kind of offence. I stayed out of prison but i had a suspended sentence for two years. For the last decade, i havent been able to gain any kind of meaningful employment because my conviction wasnt quashed until 2021. Have you had any money back . Ive had a small interim payment. Because ive got an overturned conviction, we are going on to sue the post office for malicious prosecution but they are insisting that we evidence and document every loss we claim for and that has taken three years for that to build. Lets return to the general election and take a closer look at scotland where both rishi sunak and sir keir starmer have been trying to convince voters to move away from the snp who have been the dominant party in scotland since 2007. Lets go live to glasgow and speak to james walker political reporter at the Pro Independence newspaper, the national. Everybody is out and about today. Talk us through what angle they are all going for. Here starmer says scotland will be central to a Labour Government. Scotland will be central to a Labour Government scotland will be central to a Labour Government. From a labour Point Of View the polls government. From a labour Point Of View the polls are government. From a labour Point Of View the polls are suggesting government. From a labour Point Of View the polls are suggesting that i view the polls are suggesting that evenin view the polls are suggesting that even in scotland they are very much have the momentum and i think that is something they will want to keep on trucking with. Their message is that they are trying to get the tories out but also the snp. The message is that both are dysfunctional parties. On the snps front, meanwhile, ithink dysfunctional parties. On the snps front, meanwhile, i think there are several different messages theyre trying to get across. One of them is the unity, john swinney as the new leader and also this understanding in the smp right now that if they are losing votes to labour and they are losing votes to labour and they are not losing them because they think that labour are going to get independence then you can see them really trying to nail certain messages down, go back down to the issues which we will see from john swinney today on his so called day of action across scotland. I see that keir starmer is trying to create a real divide, isnt he . Yes. I think when it comes to starmer and the scottish labour leader, the polls are suggesting that they could at least be mp wise could deliver a significant chunk that Labour Needs Uk significant chunk that Labour Needs Uk wide. The idea is to put the foot in. Uk wide. The idea is to put the foot in. � ,. , uk wide. The idea is to put the footin. fl,. , uk wide. The idea is to put the footin. V ,. , ,. , foot in. Its been a busy time for ou foot in. 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Its a general election so this time to go now and i guess we will see what happens. It this time to go now and i guess we will see what happens. This time to go now and i guess we will see what happens. It will be an interestin will see what happens. It will be an interesting one, will see what happens. It will be an interesting one, anyway. Will see what happens. It will be an interesting one, anyway. Thank will see what happens. It will be an| interesting one, anyway. Thank you for talking to us, dave walker. Increasing numbers of england and wales most Vulnerable Children are being detained in sometimes unregulated conditions by local authorities under measures known as Deprivation Of Liberty orders. The use of them has increased twelvefold since 2017 with over 1,200 applications in the last year. For the first time young people who have lived under these orders have spoken publicly to our reporter ashleyjohn baptiste. I remember being hungry, see my mum get beaten up. Have a deep dog food. Stuff like that. A decade of fame. Placements followed, she repeatedly ran away, putting herself at risk of criminal and sexual exploitation. When she was 13, her local authority applied for a Deprivation Of Liberty order. I was locked away. Thats not how you deal with someone whos gone through trauma. This allows local authorities to take away Vulnerable Childrens most basic freedoms. It was meant to keep her safe but she said it did anything but. It was literally horrible. I felt trapped. I couldnt do anything. Everything i was doing, they were there, when i was going to the toilet, cooking something, just going down to the kitchen, they were watching. She was detained in a care home 16 miles away. She wasnt allowed a phone or internet access. Two workers, often male would observe her 2a hours a day. I could be restrained simply for going into crisis. They would restrain you even if you cried. If they thought you were going to be of harm to yourself. 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Achieve this. Some children are removed from achieve this. Some children are removed from their achieve this. Some children are removed from their families. I achieve this. Some children are removed from their families. Thats what happened to katie who spent more than two years in her mid teens separated from her nan and sister. She lived near the play so i used to run off because i didnt want to be in a care home but with my family. I ran off and i remember getting literally dragged, i didnt know they were hiding around the corner for a. They were hiding around the corner fora. They were hiding around the corner for a. From they were hiding around the corner fora. From me. Iwas in they were hiding around the corner for a. From me. I was in the shower and i was 1a at the time and this guy is supervising me which is a bit weird. Hes knocking on the door saying, a bit weird. Hes knocking on the doorsaying, if a bit weird. 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Why did you do that . Because its about power. Why did | because its about power. Why did he do that. Children services say they only use this when a child is extremely vulnerable and this is because of children with serious need entering the care system at a greater volume. While zara views being deprived of her liberty adding to her trauma, she still had werner. She her liberty adding to her trauma, she still had werner. She still had werner. She is genuinely she still had werner. She is genuinely saved she still had werner. She is genuinely saved me. She still had werner. She is genuinely saved me. You. She still had werner. She is genuinely saved me. You have i promise you i would have been dead. I havent been loved. You taught me what it feels like to be loved and this is real. Im what it feels like to be loved and this is real. Im grateful with it. I love you. This is real. Im grateful with it. I love you this is real. Im grateful with it. I love you. You can hear the full sto on i love you. You can hear the full story on detained i love you. You can hear the full story on detained and i love you. You can hear the full. Story on detained and restrained i love you. You can hear the full story on detained and restrained on radio four which is available also on bbc sounds. Manchester city are aiming to do the double double. Kick off is at 3pm and Manchester United manager erik ten hag is preparing his side for the final with Manchester City with reports swirling that he could be sacked whatever the outcome of this afternoons match. United have refused to comment on the story and bbc sport understands there has been no contact with ten hag or his representatives by unitedas far as city are concerned theyre aiming to do the double double winning the league title and fa cup twice in a row. Fans were still taking their seats in the Wembley Sunshine when Manchester Citys captain had them on their feet again. And theres a good try. 0h, incredible. Not many would bet against more of the same today, such as citys domination after winning the league for the fourth successive time. Theyre now attempting another historic feat. The first team in history to achieve back to back doubles this type this type of finals against teams like like united with united is always united and of course in the Premier League would have been better than them. We are more consistent than them. But the one game, especially uniteds season against top six important games always perform well. So and we spoke the players feel it the players know so and we spoke, the players feel it the players know it that that will be completely completely different game that the fact the distance from the Premier League. While city have continued evolving, uniteds managerial door has been revolving and after a terrible season in which they saw their lowest placed finish in more than 30 years, erik ten hags future looks shaky with reports that todays match could be his last regardless of resu