Leave conservative rule and be back in the hands of the liberal democrats. Those are the two key areas to watch. It democrats. Those are the two key areas to watch. Areas to watch. If you look at the oll areas to watch. If you look at the poll numbers. Areas to watch. If you look at the poll numbers, it areas to watch. If you look at the poll numbers, it is areas to watch. If you look at the poll numbers, it is all areas to watch. If you look at the poll numbers, it is all to areas to watch. If you look at the poll numbers, it is all to play areas to watch. If you look at the | poll numbers, it is all to play for, so nothing is a done deal. But it is interesting, i was talking to andy burnham and i talk to Iain Duncan Smith about it, why has rishi sunak called the election for six weeks today . Some suggestion that the Inflation Figures were good yesterday and the economy heading in the right direction but it will take time for people to feel better. The immigration issue, not resolved, no aeroplanes will take off that we understand, Untilafter Aeroplanes will take off that we understand, until after the election. Is he thinking now is his best opportunity to get back inside number ten . This best opportunity to get back inside number ten . Best opportunity to get back inside number ten . ,. , number ten . This is always the risk, do ou sit number ten . This is always the risk, do you sit and number ten . This is always the risk, do you sit and write, number ten . This is always the risk, do you sit and write, or number ten . This is always the risk, do you sit and write, or do number ten . This is always the risk, do you sit and write, or do you do you sit and write, or do you hoped something could get slightly better but you also run the risk of things getting worse and the people getting agitated and more fed up. Rishi sunak has chosen to bank on the one bit of good news he had yesterday. Pretty much the first bit of good news this conservative government have had in quite some time. Inflation falling to 2. 3 so he has chosen to run with that run his election on the economy saying he is a stable pair of hands and he will help boost the economy and keep the momentum up from what we saw yesterday. Obviously lots of conservatives not happy with this decision, it was assumed election would be in the autumn, lots saying there is so much Unfinished Business in so many things they wanted to take off before the end of the six week period, but they dont have the power to decide. {line week period, but they dont have the power to decide. Power to decide. One thing the conservatives power to decide. One thing the conservatives have power to decide. One thing the conservatives have accused power to decide. One thing the conservatives have accused Labour Government of squatting at number ten. There was growing square chelation that was one of the reasons. After the euphoria of the Sporting Events and all the things planned for the summer, if rishi sunak was still in number ten without having called an election, those allegations would resurface . It is rare to have a summer election, we havent had a july election, we havent had a july election since 1945. It is rare to do that, for basic reasons, lots of politicians think it is a bad time, lots of people are away, School Holidays and busy and these things factor into the turnout and the amount of voters arriving at the ballot box on that day. But you are right in saying he did have the choice, he would have been Accused Ofjust choice, he would have been accused of just waiting choice, he would have been Accused Ofjust waiting it out choice, he would have been accused of just waiting it out a choice, he would have been Accused Ofjust waiting it out a bit choice, he would have been accused of just waiting it out a bit too long and there where some chances we could hear bad news over the summer, small boats always increase and there are a Wonder Scheme is something rishi sunak has put so much importance on since he entered number ten so he ran the risk of thatjust coming into fruition and maybe not going to plan. We heard today that not a single flight will take off before the general election, so he has had the chance to kibosh that before it potentially got a bit worse. For to kibosh that before it potentially got a bit worse to kibosh that before it potentially got a bit worse. For now, thank you so much, got a bit worse. For now, thank you so much. I got a bit worse. For now, thank you so much, i know got a bit worse. For now, thank you so much, i know you got a bit worse. For now, thank you so much, i know you will got a bit worse. For now, thank you so much, i know you will stay got a bit worse. For now, thank you so much, i know you will stay with i so much, i know you will stay with me here and there is so much to talk about. The other big story we are following, you can see it on the screen, the post Office Inquiry. The ex boss, Paula Vennells beginning her second day of evidence into the horizon it scandal. Yesterday was the first time she has spoken publicly about her role in that scandal in nearly a decade. She broke down in tears at some point when facing questions about why she made a misleading statement to mps. Lets go there live now as the evidence continues and the questioning continues. Lets listen to some of the evidence. I questioning continues. Lets listen to some of the evidence. Questioning continues. Lets listen to some of the evidence. I was told that, and i to some of the evidence. I was told that, and i knew, to some of the evidence. I was told that, and i knew, i to some of the evidence. I was told that, and i knew, ithink, to some of the evidence. I was told that, and i knew, ithink, becausel that, and i knew, ithink, because we had agreed to support thejfsa, and if i remember the time, they had been asked to keep thejfsa happy. And i dont think we had any problem with that. Not until the team began to raise these questions that perhaps because of that second sight, were not looking at the post office work, but im probably now speculating too much, to be fair. Did you tell second sight they were being did you tell second sight they were being unfair on the post office by not taking being unfair on the post office by not taking account of the evidence the post not taking account of the evidence the post office was giving to them . I the post office was giving to them . I didnt the post office was giving to them . I didnt have regular conversations with second sight, i was running the organisation, i wasnt closely involved in the detail of this work. I am sure. Im not sure if i spoke to them at this time, but i would have had no problem sharing that piece of information. Did have had no problem sharing that piece of information. Piece of information. Did you tell second sight piece of information. Did you tell second sight about piece of information. Did you tell second sight about the piece of information. Did you tell second sight about the post piece of information. Did you tell. Second sight about the post offices concerns second sight about the post offices concerns about its approach or alleged concerns about its approach or alleged approach of keeping the jfsa happy . Alleged approach of keeping the jfsa happy . I alleged approach of keeping the jfsa ha . , � , alleged approach of keeping the jfsa ha . ,� ,. , happy . I dont believe i spoke to second sight happy . I dont believe i spoke to second sight. Did happy . I dont believe i spoke to second sight. Did anyone, happy . I dont believe i spoke to second sight. Did anyone, to happy . I dont believe i spoke to. Second sight. Did anyone, to your knowledge. Second sight. Did anyone, to your knowledge. So second sight. Did anyone, to your knowledge, so you second sight. Did anyone, to your knowledge, so you are second sight. Did anyone, to your knowledge, so you are not second sight. Did anyone, to your| knowledge, so you are not treating us fairly. Knowledge, so you are not treating us fairly, you are trying to keep the Sub Postmaster is happy and youre the Sub Postmaster is happy and youre not the Sub Postmaster is happy and youre not looking at our evidence . I youre not looking at our evidence . I would youre not looking at our evidence . I would hope the Post Office Team. Sorry, first of all i dont think the Post Office Team would have said you were trying to keep the Sub Postmaster is happy. I may be wrong on that because that feels too strong of you in One Direction because this whole point was to look at their cases. But the team would have said to second sight, there is more information here to be taken account of. Can more information here to be taken account of more information here to be taken account of. ,. , , account of. Can we look more deeply at the move account of. Can we look more deeply at the move to account of. Can we look more deeply at the move to select account of. Can we look more deeply at the move to select a account of. Can we look more deeply at the move to select a small account of. Can we look more deeply | at the move to select a small number of cases at the move to select a small number of cases by at the move to select a small number of cases by looking at this document. This is the previous month. If you look this is the previous month. If you look at this is the previous month. If you look at page two, please. Scroll down an e mail between simon baker and second an e mail between simon baker and second sight. Not you at this stage, but it second sight. Not you at this stage, but it is second sight. Not you at this stage, but it is about a meeting. I think this is but it is about a meeting. I think this is the but it is about a meeting. I think this is the meeting we have just seen this is the meeting we have just seen the this is the meeting we have just seen the post office was going to try and seen the post office was going to try and get cancelled. Just to ensure try and get cancelled. Just to ensure that we are on the same page, paula ensure that we are on the same page, paula would ensure that we are on the same page, paula would like to say we have agreed paula would like to say we have agreed the following with second sight agreed the following with second sight. Can you confirm you agree . The Investigation Reports on a couple the Investigation Reports on a couple of the Investigation Reports on a couple of emptys cases by Summer Recess couple of emptys cases by Summer Recess by couple of emptys cases by Summer Recess by using those cases you will answer recess by using those cases you will answer the recess by using those cases you will answer the question, have systemic defects answer the question, have systemic defects in answer the question, have systemic defects in the Horizon System resulted defects in the Horizon System resulted in the Wrongful Conviction or suspension of Sub Postmaster is . By by this stage, had their proposal we saw at by this stage, had their proposal we saw at the by this stage, had their proposal we saw at the first thing this morning to examine saw at the first thing this morning to examine a Representative Sample of cases to examine a Representative Sample of cases been abandoned . Not to examine a Representative Sample of cases been abandoned . To examine a Representative Sample of cases been abandoned . Not on my understanding how did it come about that by late may, how did it come about that by late may, the how did it come about that by late may, the post office was proposing that by may, the post office was proposing that by looking at two, three cases second that by looking at two, three cases second sight could answer the very bil second sight could answer the very big question have systemic defects in the big question have systemic defects in the horizon resulted in the suspension of Sub Postmaster is . Im not sure but when the report was produced, one of the conclusions were so far that no systemic defects had been found. So whether a result of the broader work, second sight. Repeat the answer, please . Yes. Of the broader work, second sight. Repeat the answer, please . Yes, when the second sight repeat the answer, please . Yes, when the Second Sight Interim repeat the answer, please . Yes, when the Second Sight Interim Report repeat the answer, please . Yes, when the Second Sight Interim Report was the Second Sight Interim Report was published, one of its initial conclusions was that so far no systemic issues had been found with the Horizon System. Just systemic issues had been found with the Horizon System. The Horizon System. Just stop it there, the Horizon System. Just stop it there. That the Horizon System. Just stop it there, that is the Horizon System. Just stop it there, that is two the Horizon System. Just stop it there, that is two months the Horizon System. 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While they hadntjust done. While they hadnt done two to three cases in that time. ~ ,. , hadnt done two to three cases in that time hadnt done two to three cases in that time. ~ ,. ,. , that time. Why was the proposal to limit the report that time. Why was the proposal to limit the report to that time. Why was the proposal to limit the report to determining limit the report to determining whether limit the report to determining whether systemic defects in horizon had resulted in Wrongful Convictions on the had resulted in Wrongful Convictions on the basis of two or three cases . I on the basis of two or three cases . I dont on the basis of two or three cases . Idont know. On the basis of two or three cases . I dont know, i wasnt involved in the conversation. I believe from other documentation i have seen, the recommendation was to choose two or three, i dont think this is the word, but hardest cases. 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And i wasnt convictions . They could not possibly do that. And i wasnt involved convictions . They could not possibly do that. And i wasnt involved in do that. And i wasnt involved in this conversation, but by this stage there was an urgency to have a report produced that show that some work was at least in progress and. You say you werent involved in that conversation, this e mail says, you want conversation, this e mail says, you want to conversation, this e mail says, you want to say conversation, this e mail says, you want to say this. Paul, would like want to say this. Paul, would like to want to say this. Paul, would like to say want to say this. Paul, would like to say the following. Want to say this. Paul, would like to say the following. Like to say the following. Yes. Did ou like to say the following. Yes. Did you want like to say the following. Yes. Did you want to like to say the following. Yes. Did you want to say like to say