Meeting recognise the state of palestine. We are going to recognise the state of palestine for many reasons, which i can summarise in three words. Peace, justice and logic. Peace because this is the only solution to the conflict. By that i imply the Essential Question of the two states, israel and palestine, accompanied by Mutual Security guarantees as many other countries do. Recognition is an act of powerful, political and symbolic value. It is an expression of our view that palestine holds, and should be able to vindicate, the full right of state, including self determination, self governance, territorial integrity and security, as well as recognising palestines own obligations under international law. It is a message to those in palestine who advocate and work for a future of peace and democracy, that we fully respect your aspirations to be living freely, in control of your own affairs and under your own leadership. Israel has said the moves endanger the countrys security, and is recalling its ambassadors to the three countries. Heres our correspondent in jerusalem, dan johnson. Yeah, theres been angry reaction and immediate action from the israelis. The Foreign Minister israel katz says, i have instructed the immediate recall of israels ambassadors to ireland and to norway in light of these decisions. He says, im sending a clear and unequivocal message. We will not remain silent in the face of those undermining our sovereignty and endangering our security. He says, todays decision sends a message to the palestinians and to the world that terrorism pays. And he said its a distorted step. And hes talked about a move which would undermine the chances for peace and question israels right to self defence. This was issued just before spain joined ireland and norway. So the Foreign Minister had said, if spain followed through on its intention to recognise a Palestinian State, a similar step will be taken against it. So i think we can expect the israeli ambassador to madrid to be recalled back to jerusalem for these consultations that will be happening with the ambassadors who are being hauled back from oslo and from dublin. There is anger in israeli politics. Theyve known this was coming. This had been widely signalled for weeks. But they have the date now, from the 28th of may, that these nations will formally recognise Palestinian Statehood. And the israelis think that this is not the right move. They say its not the right way to guarantee peace, not the right way to guarantee security. But i think the difference in approach here of nations is those who feel that, actually the Peace Process should start with the recognition of Palestinian Statehood, rather than that being the end product of it. But the israelis are clear Benjamin Netanyahu doesnt even support a two state solution. And he says this move by norway, by ireland and by spain is rewarding hamas for the Terror Attacks that it carried out on the 7th of october. I spoke to our Diplomatic Correspondent james landale, who broke done what these developments mean, and whether the uk is likely to also recognise a Palestinian State. What these countries are trying to do is shift the diplomatic dial. They are not massive players in the conflict at the moment but one card they can play is recognising the state of palestine. They have chosen to play it now. Other European Countries, that currently do not recognise palestine are thinking, when should they play their cards too . There is disagreement at the moment. In the past, most of the holdout countries the United States and the majority of europe basically said this should be part of the endgame, part of some ultimate, final settlement to the Political Division and fighting within the middle east. That position has shifted with some countries. David cameron, the uk foreign secretary, shifted that a couple of months ago, saying, maybe we could have that recognition moment on the way to try to generate momentum towards a final settlement. But most of those European Countries think that these countries that have gone today norway, spain and ireland are doing it a little bit too early. What these three countries are saying is, no, if you really want to get a ceasefire, those hostages released, if you want to get some kind of deal, you have got to have some kind of political process. This, they hope, might kick start that. I realise we are going back to basics but i dont think thats necessarily a bad thing on a complex story. Recognition of a Palestinian State is not the same as not having diplomatic relations, because all of these countries have diplomatic relations all the time with various elements in the palestinian authority. This is something that already exists, these conversations, at least. On some level there are technicalities. For example the uk doesnt have an ambassador to the state of palestine because the uk does not recognise the state of palestine. But there is a senior diplomat, a british diplomat, who does engage with the palestinian authorities. There is a diplomatic protocol in the same way that many countries have diplomatic representation in taiwan but they do not technically accept that taiwan is a separate nation from china. A lot of this is about symbolism. What the three countries who have made this decision hope is that this symbolic act will drive a shift in critical dynamic. Will it make much difference to the fate of palestinians on the ground . Not in the short term. Lets get more on spains decision to recognise palestine, and international reaction. Heres our madrid correspondent guy hedgecoe. Pedro sanchez, the socialist prime minister, made this announcement and seemed to pre empt what he expected to be a very tough response from israel, by saying that this decision was not being made against the israeli people or thejewish people. He said nor was it a decision that was seeking to favour hamas. Of course israel doesnt agree with that at all. But he seemed very keen to make that point. He does seem to have got a lot of support on the left, as you would expect his own Socialist Party and parties to his left for this initiative. But spanish politics is actually divided so there has been quite a lot of criticism of the initiative from the right, particularly the far right, which has said that the Spanish Government is rewarding what it calls satanic terrorism. The conservatives, who are the main opposition party, they didnt use quite such Strong Language but they were critical of this as well, they said that a ceasefire needs to be in place, israeli hostages should be released, before taking this kind of initiative. What is his motive for the timing of doing this now . The feeling was this was quite a difficult one to juggle because there are so many countries working together norway and ireland had to be in line with spain on this. A lot of the timing had to do with the fact that spain, ireland and norway had to agree on the date. For spain it is next tuesday, it is a cabinet meeting. It makes sense for the Spanish Government. I think if the announcement had been made today, for example, it would have been rather difficult because Pedro Sanchez was appearing in congress and a lot of other issues were being talked about. I think the main priority here was for the countries involved to show a united front and to show they were making this announcement today together, and that they are going to confirm and formalise this step together on may the 28th. So what does Palestinian Statehood mean in practice . Lets hearfrom dr george kyris, associate professor of International Politics at the University Of Birmingham whos an expert in State Recognition and sovereignty. Being recognised as a state is considered to be very important for being a state and we live in a world of states. We have societies based on states. So if people want to have the relations they need to have their state recognised by the other members of the club and if today you ask the internet how many states there are in the world today, the answer you will get is the number of states that are generally recognised by other words the live others, usually by an United Nations membership. It matters for palestinians to be seen as a state and also for the conflict with israel. It is interesting you describe their being recognised by other members of the club, because there doesnt seem to be an overall specific mechanism for recognising a state worldwide. Or is there . No, there isnt a formal mechanism. Perhaps an implicit way with others is generally recognised is whether it is a member of the United Nations, for example. If you ask the internet which is the youngest state in the world and so you will get is south sudan, which was the latest member to get admitted to the United Nations. This is also where palestinians have been so keen to join the United Nations as a member. There are different clubs, as well, arent there . For example the state of palestine is recognised by the International Olympic committee, by the International Court ofjustice, so how do we rank these different groupings and their importance when it comes to actually conferring statehood . That is a very good point. The explanation why palestine is considered a state by some International Organisations and not others is often technicalities of how these decisions are taken. But i think what is important is the benefits that come with recognition. So actually one of the recent examples is the court cases of International Criminal court which, if palestine was not recognised implicitly as a state by the court, then the decisions about this could not have been possible. It is a lot about symbolism, maybe, but it is also about being more practical and the effect that recognition might give you. Tens of thousands of people have attended the Funeral Procession for the iranian president Ebrahim Raisi, and seven others who died in a Helicopter Crash on sunday. Many of those whove taken to the streets of tehran are Holding Photos of mr raisi or carrying the iranian flag. Iranians had earlier been sent Text Messages urging them to attend. Among those attending is the hamas leader ismail haniyeh, who said hed come to represent the palestinian people. Our chief international correspondent, lyse doucet was on the show with me a short while ago, and gave us the latest analysis on this. This is almost a signature image of iran that has really been shown across the world ever since the Islamic Revolution of 1979 where there were millions of people on the streets. Every time there is a major event, including significant funerals, this is what they do. They call people onto the streets. Some of that is genuine sorrow, that people are coming to mourn. We have seen people sobbing, pushing forward in the crush of people. Look at the images, you can see the way they are losing control of the casket. I was at the funeral in 1989 of the first Revolutionary Leader and the casket was carried through the crowds and he fell out of the coffin there was such a frenzy. I hope they control it more. You can see how the people are carrying it. This is notjust allowing people to mourn, it is also a moment, as you say, for the example two Islamic Republic, ruling conservatives, to project power, to project unity, the project continuity. They are doing it in the midst of what has been posts on social media, people celebrating. There have been warnings the past few days by the top prosecutor that they should not spread lies and insults. Police cases have been filed by some iranian websites. In broadcasting these pictures, these live images on state television, is to go across iran and they know the world is watching. This was such a significant event that happened. The death of a president , in many other countries around the world, would be a real moment where the state would stop, things will change. But not so in iran. It literally came out of the sky, this Helicopter Crash, three helicopters in a convoy going to azerbaijan across mountainous terrain in very bad weather, heavy fog. The helicopter carrying Ebrahim Raisi and his Foreign Minister came down. It was a shock that the president in the structure of the Islamic Republic is not the most powerful person. Ebrahim raisi is not regarded as the most powerful president in iranian history. In fact he came to power in 2021 elections where all of the main challengers, reformist candidates, even moderate conservatives, were excluded from running. Not surprising it had a very low turnout. In fact the lowest ever turnout in a president ial election. Ebrahim raisi was seen that he was possibly groomed to take the top jobs of that process has been disrupted. They will be scrambling now to find a person in the same mould as Ebrahim Raisi, a hardliner, conservative, ideological, absolutely loyal to the Supreme Leader, to replace him. When it comes to policy the direction of foreign policy, that is left in the hands of the Supreme Leader and more and more the Islamic Revolutionary guard corps. It wont change. Around the world and across the uk. This is bbc news. At an inquiry in the uk the former post office boss has broken down apologising to subpostmasters and their families for everything they suffered. More than 900 Sub Postmasters were wrongly prosecuted for stealing because of Incorrect Information from a Computer System called horizon. Many Sub Postmasters went to prison for False Accounting and theft, i would like to say how sorry i am about i would like to say how sorry i am about what i would like to say how sorry i am about what the Sub Postmasters have suffered about what the Sub Postmasters have suffered and their families. I followed and listens to all of the human followed and listens to all of the human impact statements. I was very affected human impact statements. I was very affected by human impact statements. I was very affected by them. I listen to one who said affected by them. I listen to one who said that he wanted somebody to stand outside his Old Post Office with them so that he could tell them exactly with them so that he could tell them exactly what he had been through. I am very exactly what he had been through. I am very very sorry. I would also like to am very very sorry. I would also like to apologise to alan bates and Ian Henderson from second sight. And to lord Ian Henderson from second sight. And to lord arbuthnot. We maids their work to lord arbuthnot. We maids their work so to lord arbuthnot. We maids their work so much harder. Lets go straight back to the inquiry. This is from a mr pennington that was received in September 2013. In the second paragraph, yeasts explained his background. He says that he woks constantly and consistently for the post office. It was very stressful due to the economic environment. At the same time, customerservice economic environment. At the same time, Customer Service was very satisfactory. My complaint is from when the Horizon System was implemented to stop there was a lass from the system due to incorrect procedures. There was a lack of training. That resulted in a loss of over £18,000. I was assured that it would be returned. But it was not. I had to make good the shortfall. At the time, i took my grievance of the area manager, only to be told that the contract stipulated that all shortages must be made good and there was no appeal procedure. Looking at that complaint, is this the kind of letter that you described before the break as one that would have been sent down the chief Executives Office as correspondence to be dealt with . Yes, it would. It would have been for all yes, it would. It would have been for all executive correspondence. It would for all executive correspondence. It would have for all executive correspondence. It would have gone through that process would have gone through that rocess. , ~ process. The thing that mr pennington process. 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