To avoid deportation to sweden, Chelsea Manning on a similar rep spent 13 years, was sentenced to 13 years, has spent seven. Hasjulian assigned to spend his time already . It feels to me, like something is a goner half my lifetime, not quite that long but it feels like it is been going on forever, and as you said he has been in broadmarsh, i think he was in one of the london South American embassies, so he has barely had a normal life for what feels like a few decades, and the more this goes on the more one feels that she is gay gaining a certain amount of public sympathy, particular for those on the centreleft, and most people have forgotten what he was accused of in the first place, guilty of leaking extremely sensitive secrets, so i wonder if this is ever going to go anywhere, and whether he would actually ever shot stand trial in the United States, because it seemed so much time has passed and people would ratherjust move on from this. Susan, why is the Us Administration so intent on getting them . To be clear, so intent on getting them . To be clear. While so intent on getting them . To be clear, while he so intent on getting them . To be clear, while he spends so intent on getting them . To be clear, while he spends time so intent on getting them . To be clear, while he spends time in i clear, while he spends time in prison clear, while he spends time in prison fighting exhibition, he has not been prison fighting exhibition, he has not been tried or convicted of the crime not been tried or convicted of the crime or not been tried or convicted of the crime or spent time in prison for the crime, crime or spent time in prison for the crime, but i recognise the point it has the crime, but i recognise the point it has gone the crime, but i recognise the point it has gone on for a long time, his life has it has gone on for a long time, his life has been completely disrupted, and interestingly, President Biden responded to a shouted question in april last responded to a shouted question in april last month about whether the united april last month about whether the United States would consider australias request to let him return australias request to let him return to australias request to let him return to australia, and he said we are considering it that is all he said are considering it that is all he said that are considering it that is all he said. That is a very significant sign said. That is a very significant sign that said. That is a very significant sign that the administration is considering whether this would be an act of considering whether this would be an act ofjustice after all this time to let act ofjustice after all this time to let them return to australia. It to let them return to australia. Strikes me, to let them return to australia. It strikes me, susan, that, i mean who can tell, but when you look at the arguments around the decision today, there are two issues stop one was a death penalty, which seems to be set aside, because there was an assurance that he would not face the death benefit which wouldve been extreme, but this issue on First Amendment right, whether he would be able to rely on that with a spine or espionage case but that assurance has been given by the white house, but as a us lawyer seem to say in courts today, the executive cannot bind the courts, they cannot set on what domestic courts will or will not rule, so if a decision was taken today to grant an appeal on the basis of these facts, it would seem he has quite a strong case. He has quite a strong case. Theres also the broader he has quite a strong case. Theres also the broader debate he has quite a strong case. Theres also the broader debate in he has quite a strong case. Theres also the broader debate in this also the broader debate in this country also the broader debate in this country over these charges. Is he a journalist . Country over these charges. Is he a journalist . If country over these charges. Is he a journalist . If hes a journalist, if he was journalist . If hes a journalist, if he was doing journalism, which some people he was doing journalism, which some people argue he was, is he entitled to more people argue he was, is he entitled to more protections i need to get to know . To more protections i need to get to know . He to more protections i need to get to know . He was charged under the sp or not know . He was charged under the sp or not Espionage Act of 1917, and there not Espionage Act of 1917, and there was not Espionage Act of 1917, and there was some concern that even if you dont there was some concern that even if you dont thinkjulian assigned is a journalist, you dont thinkjulian assigned is a journalist, this trial could open the door journalist, this trial could open the door to use the Espionage Act against the door to use the Espionage Act against people who undeniably are generalists, perhaps in some future administration, so there is some concern administration, so there is some concern in administration, so there is some concern in this country on several fronts concern in this country on several fronts about what happens in this case fronts about what happens in this case. � , fronts about what happens in this case. � , fronts about what happens in this case. M case. Its political here as well, kim, we case. Its political here as well, kim. We had case. Its political here as well, kim, we had the case. Its political here as well, kim, we had the special case. Its political here as well, i kim, we had the special repertoire on the programme, and she said she is concerned i bides by the treaty it signed up to, the Un Convention against torture, because hes suffering a depressive illness at a moments, he should not be sent to a place where he would be in solitary confinement, but the other issue thatis confinement, but the other issue that is politically sensitive, if this appeal is exhausted, he would be able to appeal to the European Court of human rights, and we know what a hot potato that is at that moment in the house of commons. Haste moment in the house of commons. We do, moment in the house of commons. Do, and the more i hearwhat moment in the house of commons. Do, and the more i hear what michael finally said and the more you set the facts in this question, this is all on site for governments, maybe well bejust all on site for governments, maybe well be just best to move on. Well be ust best to move on. We will well be just best to move on. We will leave it well be just best to move on. We will leave it there and see what the Appeal Courts make of that, but lord kim darroch think we should just move on, music Tojulian Assange heirs no doubt. The prosecution in donald trump Hush Money Trial has rested its case after spending the afternoon trying to rehabilitate their key witness Michael Cohen trumps former lawyer and adviser. Its been a bruising few days for him earlier today we saw him admit under oath that he once stole money from the trump organisation. He has faced three days of Cross Examination Which At Times has felt like he was on trial. And in todays redirect, the prosecution returned to a letter Michael Cohens attorney sent in 2018 to the federal Election Commission relating to the Stormy Daniels payment. Cohen had testified there was an omission in that letter, that it was intentionally misleading and deceptive. Whats omitted he added is the fact that the money was paid by mr trump or the trump trust. And did you intend for it to be misleading in that way . The prosecutor asks. I did, said Michael Cohen. Our north america correspondent Nada Tawfikjoins Me now. Did they do a good job in pointing to the corroborated evidence that Michael Cohen had already given . Yes, christine, they absolutely redirected the jurors attention to what evidence mattered, having Michael Cohen it reiterate that in 2016, he spoke with donald trump more than 20 times over the phone and in person and saying that he had no doubt that donald trump approved him to pay Stormy Daniels, and even approved some of those misleading statements. But, wejust had one of the most dramatic moments we had in court, ijust came out from the overflow room, and the defence is currently presenting their case, and they actually cause a wild card witness, Robert Costello, a attorney who tried to represent Michael Cohen when federal authorities were investigating him in 2018. Michael cohen ultimately went with a different lawyer, but the defence wanted to consist question him because he had told a House Subcommittee that Michael Cohen had made false statements understand. Costello was allowed to testify, but the judge said this would not become a trial within a trial about Whether Costello had tried to pressure Michael Cohen on behalf of donald trump to keep Michael Cohen and in Donald Trumps full. It trump to keep Michael Cohen and in Donald Trumps full. Donald trumps full. It was trump that ut Donald Trumps full. It was trump that put robert Donald Trumps full. It was trump that put Robert CostelloDonald Trumps full. It was trump that put Robert Costello in Donald Trumps full. It was trump that put Robert Costello in touch l that put Robert Costello in touch with Michael Cohen, was it . Well. With Michael Cohen, was it . Well, rudy giuliani. With Michael Cohen, was it . Well, rudy giuliani, who with Michael Cohen, was it . Well, rudy giuliani, who of with Michael Cohen, was it . Well, rudy giuliani, who of course with Michael Cohen, was it . Ii rudy giuliani, who of course went on to represent donald trump, he knows Robert Costello, what Robert Costello contends it was actually Somebody Else who knew Michael Cohen for over ten years and his firm and reach out to him if he needed the advice of Robert Costello, but nevertheless, Robert Costello understand said when he met with Michael Cohen, he told him i swear to god, bob, i dont have anything on donald trump. What michael he said donald trump never knew about the statements, that was his testimony, but as questioning when broad, the prosecution objected to that line of questioning and the judge suspended because of his parameters that he sent out. Robert costello said geez, when the judge kept agreed with those objections, and the judge dressed them down, saying there was decorum in the courtroom and he cannot roll his eyes at him, and when Robert Costello seem to be staring him down, thejudge got costello seem to be staring him down, the judge got extremely angry, clearing the entire court and telling Robert Costello, are you staring me down, at that point we lost feet in the overflow courtroom, but court was suspended for a few minutes and it was one of the most dramatic moments yet in this trial. I got to contend with in the strata for thejudge, what i got to contend with in the strata for the judge, what do you make of that . Yes, so hes gotten pretty good reviews yes, so hes gotten pretty good reviews for keeping control of an uncontrollable situation. Look at the people who try to control it donald the people who try to control it donald trump in debates and the opposition, in campaigns or the courtroom, opposition, in campaigns or the courtroom, this is a toughjob and thisiudge courtroom, this is a toughjob and thisjudge has been pretty steady and strict, and i suspect that he has standing with the jury when he says things because he has been quite says things because he has been quite solicitous us of their time and attention. So, day19 quite solicitous us of their time and attention. So, day 19 of this trial, and attention. So, day 19 of this trial, we and attention. So, day 19 of this trial, we can finally see the end in sight trial, we can finally see the end in sight but trial, we can finally see the end in sight but i trial, we can finally see the end in sight but i think thisjudge has done sight but i think thisjudge has done what most people think is a really done what most people think is a really good job. | done what most people think is a really good job really good ob. I always bring it back, im really good job. I always bring it back. Im sorry. Really good job. I always bring it back, im sorry, kim, really good job. I always bring it back, im sorry, kim, i really good job. I always bring it back, im sorry, kim, i always. Really good job. I always bring it back, im sorry, kim, i always bring back, im sorry, kim, ialways bring it back to your time in washington, and in the briefings you set back, quite prophetic as you all turned out. ,. ,. , quite prophetic as you all turned out. , i. , quite prophetic as you all turned out. ,. ,. , out. Kind of you to say that, christian. Out. Kind of you to say that, christian, but out. Kind of you to say that, christian, but this out. Kind of you to say that, christian, but this is christian, but this is extraordinary, this trial, for those of us who are big trump watchers, it is just riveting. The cast of characters featured our street from vaudeville, extraordinary range of very big characters there. The confrontation just been described sounds, again, riveting, and ijust read, and this isjust one or two comments in american press, that although the prosecution got great reviews for how they handled the opening part of the trial, there are suggestions that they should not of had Michael Cohen as their final witness, the prosecution, because he had such a hard time with the defence, for some difficult ground, and that is the impression that will be left with the jury, so we will see when it comes to the closing arguments and the verdict. I guess thats the importance arguments and the verdict. I guess thats the importance of arguments and the verdict. I guess thats the importance of the thats the importance of the redirect, anita, and she is gearing up redirect, anita, and she is gearing up for the testimony that donald trump is about to provide in his own defence, is that right need a topic . Are you expecting them to be on the stand Monday Morning . I are you expecting them to be on the stand Monday Morning . Are you expecting them to be on the stand Monday Morning . I dont expect donald trump stand Monday Morning . I dont expect donald trump will stand Monday Morning . I dont expect donald trump will take stand Monday Morning . I dont expect donald trump will take the stand Monday Morning . I dont expect donald trump will take the stand, donald trump will take the stand, christine, we helps hurt and seem numerous times that he will but his lawyers have signalled otherwise, but i cast my mind back to the Civil Business Chart fraud trial, he did take the stand to answer prosecution questions, but when the prosecution questions, but when the prosecution asked the question came up prosecution asked the question came up about testifying in his own defence, wendyjudge asked him about that he used the Defence Table to launch in his own monologue which allowed them to get out what you wanted to say without having to take the stand and swear an oath, so we will see what happens, but i suspect the defence will rest and next week on tuesday we are expecting to move the closing statements, and then the jury the closing statements, and then the jury will get this case. Of course, Donald Trumps fate will soon be in their hands. Just Donald Trumps fate will soon be in their hands their hands. Just the final one, its a complex their hands. Just the final one, its a complex case, their hands. Just the final one, | its a complex case, particularly the federal charge and whether there was a campaign violation, do you think as an independent observer, the prosecution have made a fist of it and tied the thread together for the jury, it and tied the thread together for thejury, such it and tied the threa