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Measures to minimise harm to civilians and civilian facilities. It is calling on the uns top court to reject it. South africas lawyers accuse them of acting with legal impunity. Legal impunity. Israel is increasing legal impunity. Israel is increasing its legal impunity. Israel is increasing its attacks i legal impunity. Israel is increasing its attacks in j legal impunity. Israel is increasing its attacks in gaza, and in so doing, is wilfully breaching the binding orders of this court. Israel similarly breaches the binding resolutions of the United Nations security council. Weve heard boasts nations security council. Weve heard boasts that nations security council. Weve heard boasts that israels nations security council. Weve heard boasts that israels army| heard boasts that israels army is the heard boasts that israels army is the most moral army in history is the most moral army in history. And weve heard denials history. And weve heard denials that there is famine in gaza denials that there is famine in gaza for denials that there is famine in gaza. For months, people, particularly in the west, have appeared unwilling to accept that the accusations are true. Our that the accusations are true. Our correspondent is reporting on the story. She sent us this update from the hague. South africas lawyers were unequivocal. They said palestinians did not need words or diplomacy, they needed an urgent intervention by this court to ensure palestinians right to life under the Genocide Convention was protected. The reason why they are focusing on rafah in of these provisional measures request is because they say it is the last refuge which has not been destroyed, the only remaining centre of humanitarian aid, host to one of the only functioning hospitals in gaza, and so therefore they said rafah is central to sustaining palestinian life. Without it, there is no possibility of reconstruction. I spoke to allanah oh malley. I spoke to alanna omalley, professor of United Nations studies in peace and justice at leiden university. Previously, she was at the icj for the South Africa Genocide Case against israel earlier this year, and she was observing todays proceedings remotely. What do you make of the offensive in there. So what south africa offensive in there. So what south africa did offensive in there. So what south africa did is offensive in there. So what south africa did is ask offensive in there. So what| south africa did is ask them offensive in there. So what south africa did is ask them to comply with the orders and the previous nine provisional orders that have been ordered in response to their incursion into gaza from the beginning. And so, the grounds for this additional provisional measure is that south africa argues that the situation has changed and become extremely urgent, given israels planned attack on rafah as the last refuge of the Palestinian People. The Palestinian People. Lets din into the Palestinian People. Lets dig into this. The Palestinian People. Lets dig into this, because the Palestinian People. Lets dig into this, because youre| dig into this, because youre referencing the fact that icj already did deliver an interim judgement injanuary. And a lot of attention has been paid to a part of thejudgement of attention has been paid to a part of the judgement that says the following and im going to quote it it was the word plausible that many said that was they were doing it. How did you interpret it . I were doing it. How did you interpret it . Were doing it. How did you interpret it . I think that the word plausible interpret it . I think that the word plausible means interpret it . I think that the | word plausible means that interpret it . I think that the word plausible means that the court has now declared, or declared then, that there is sufficient evidence to suggest that its possible that acts of genocide or genocide is being perpetrated by israel in gaza. And this is what allows the case to proceed to merits where the court will decide whether or not these are genocidal actions and a genocide is being perpetrated. Whats important about that clause is that it really, firstly, emphasised the Imperative Nature of this moment and this context and this crisis. And also, it really the provision that allowed the court to respond so quickly, so the issuing of provisional interim measures was quite fast in the last round, and the idea of plausibility also really leads south africa to go back to the court several times, because they argue that if genocide is being commit, and they argue that it being commit, and they argue thatitis, being commit, and they argue that it is, then this raises the urgency of the question, especially now in recent weeks with the israel incursion against rafah. With the israel incursion against rafah. Indeed, and i ust against rafah. Indeed, and i just want against rafah. Indeed, and i just want to against rafah. Indeed, and i just want to stick against rafah. Indeed, and i just want to stick with against rafah. Indeed, and i just want to stick with the i just want to stick with the point. I know that it is legally, of course, quite complex. But the bbc also joke tojoan donoghue, former to joan donoghue, former president tojoan donoghue, former president of the International Court ofjustice. And she told us that, the court did not decide, and this is something that im often correcting in the media, it didnt decide that the claim of genocide was plausible, it did emphasise that there was a risk of irrepairable harm to the palestinian right to be protected from genocide. Again, this is complex, but what impact do you think that this has on the case . I what impact do you think that this has on the case . This has on the case . I think that it is this has on the case . I think that it is incredibly this has on the case . I think| that it is incredibly important and i think that it is terrific that youre providing that clarification and thats very, very important, and somehow that has been lost in some of the coverage of this. I think what we see being emphasised also in the submissions before the court today is that the rights of the Palestinian People to self determination, and their basic human rights, are being violated. And the language that africa uses emphasises that south africa uses emphasises those around the convention. So what they actually argued today is that israel is deliberately inflicting conditions of life to bring about the physical destruction of the Palestinian People. So the language and the rhetoric of both the court in its orders and of the applicants to the court is very important here. And really, what we see around this rhetoric are those terms and those phrases that are directed towards the deciding whether or not the provisions of the Genocide Convention are, indeed, being violated. And indeed, being violated. And ust one indeed, being violated. And just one last indeed, being violated. And just one last question for you, alanna. Israel claims that the findings are wholly unfounded and lies from hamas. What do you think that we can anticipate from israel . I think that israel anticipate from israel . I think that israel will anticipate from israel . I think that israel will say anticipate from israel . I think that israel will say the anticipate from israel . I think that israel will say the right. That israel will say the right to self defence and south africa anticipated and laid out why there are no grounds for self defence in this case where there may be a genocide being perpetrated. And i think also, what we will see and tomorrow from israel is this argument that you know, they are the ones who have been under attack from hamas and that this is a response to this. And again, these are the arguments that theyve laid out in defences. 0k, theyve laid out in defences. Ok, we have to leave the conversation there, but thank you forjoining us. The hearing at the top un court coincides with concerns about israel here in washington. The Us State Department said it maintains its support for israel to defend itself. But Spokesperson Vedant Patel said aid going into the territory through the Rafah Crossing In The South had come to a halt, as he urged israel to provide more sustained humanitarian access to gaza. So let me be clear, we continue to press for all Border Crossings to be open for overland deliveries of aid, but more must be done to address the scale of need. We have and will continue to press israel and other partners in the region to allow for to ensure the safety of humanitarian actors and activities, open additional land crossings and remove impairments of the delivery of humanitarian aid and do more to make sure that aid can get to the places that it needs to go. Those comments come as the us military announced that construction is complete on a temporary floating pier in gaza. The pier is designed to increase aid to gaza. Ships carrying aid humanitarian assistance are expected to arrive in the coming days, according the white house. Heres how the new aid Distribution System works. Commercial ships collect pallets from cyprus, where hundreds of tons of aid are waiting. That aid is then delivered to a floating platform, anchored several kilometers off the coast of gaza. The aid is then picked up by smaller us Military Vessels who bring it to the newly constructed floating pier connected to the beach in gaza. The bbc spoke to someone and then until she and herfamily evacuated using humanitarian connectionsment and she spoke to us about living in a war zone. It was really horrible. Until now, i have nightmares about my nights in gaza and rafah specifically. It wasnt easy. I couldnt sleep at flight. When i wake up in the morning, it doesnt feel like. Like, i start asking myself am i really awake . Am i really around my four family really awake . Am i really around my Fourfamily Members . Around my four Family Members . Is around my Fourfamily Members . Is it real . Because it was horrible and no one could actually understand what it was like living and facing. Meanwhile, the Biden Administration said this week it would send 1 billion worth of weapons to israel. Doing so requires certain approvals from members of congress. Not all of them, even president biden� s fellow democrats, are on board with sending that assistance, including Congress Woman jayapal, who i spoke to earlier. Jayapal, who i spoke to earlier jayapal, who i spoke to earlier. ~ ~. Earlier. Well, i think that the Biden Administration earlier. Well, i think that the Biden Administration is earlier. Well, i think that the Biden Administration is still. Biden administration is still working to outline their doctrine in this moment towards the middle east and towards israels funding. You heard the president last week make very clear on an interview that he is not going to provide offensive weapons to israel if israel launches a full scale invasion of rafah. He also said that they had withheld a shipment of bombs, 2,000lbs bombs to israel, which is still being withheld. The most recent assistance is troubling to us, because it hasnt really been put into context. My understanding is that it is defensive weapons that are part of the weapons that have been approved for some time. But i think that what i have communicated to them is, its very confusing. Because it muddies the message. Ive also said that the president drew a redline on the rafah invasion. I want to make sure that that redline is not so thin you cant see it, because what were seeing in rafah today is the amassing of troops to go into rafah, the leaf letting within rafah 350,000 palestinians who have already fled rafah. These and the ground tanks that have already made their way into rafah. D0 made their way into rafah. Do ou made their way into rafah. Do you believe that there is an enforcement of that, of that redline . That if israel, as you said, it appears that israel is starting the ground operation. When dont know exactly what that looks like yet. What do you expect to see from the Biden Administration there . Well, i think that the president has been clear, and i spoke to him this weekend a couple of times on this topic. He has been clear and hes not backing down that if there is an invasion of rafah, that there will be no more offensive Military Assistance provided to israel. And the question is what constitutes that invasion . People are fleeing. Theres no safe place to go. There are tanks in rafah. The israeli army has taken over the rafah crossing. Aid has essentially stopped. I spoke to administrator powers a couple of days ago, and she told me that the average trucks per day for the last seven days was 30 trucks per day that were making their way in to gaza, humanitarian assistance. That is paltry, meaningless, absolutely unacceptable for a place where famine has set in and 1. 1 Million People are on the brink of starvation. We soke the brink of starvation. We spoke to the brink of starvation. We spoke to one the brink of starvation. We spoke to one of the brink of starvation. We spoke to one of your Congress Woman cathy manning, who told us that the us has to live up to the agreements already made to the agreements already made to israel and help it defend against hamas. What is your response to that, that israel is doing what it needs to do to defeat hamas . Defeat hamas . Well, i think that my response defeat hamas . Well, i think that my response is defeat hamas . Well, i think that my response is that defeat hamas . Well, i think that my response is that the United States will always be there for defensive assistance against hezbollah, against iran, to protect innocent israelis with the iron dome, with the kinds of technology that are required in a defensive mode. What we will not do, and should not do is contribute to an offensive on innocent palestinians that have already led to over 35,000 people dead, over 75,000 injured largely women and children. And in a fight that the United States itself has said is not the way to defeat hamas. I said after october seven that that was a horrific attack. I condemned hamas. I even defended israels right to defend itself. But, that does not include violating us domestic policy, withholding humanitarian assistance. It does not include violating humanitarian law, which i believe has happened. Israel has said very believe has happened. Israel has said very clearly believe has happened. Israel has said very clearly that. Believe has happened. Israel has said very clearly that we | has said very clearly that we are not responsible. Hamas is embedding itself amongst civilians . ,. ,. , civilians . International humanitarian civilians . International humanitarian law civilians . International humanitarian law does| civilians . International humanitarian law does not distinguish between the cause of an event and the consequences of an invasion or of military action. So you cant say because you did this bad thing to me, i am able to go in and target innocent civilians with impunity. Thats just not how it works. That is why International Humanitarian law very clearly states that it does not take into account what started an event. Whether you agree with or disagree with what started an event it really looks at how do you minimise casualties of innocent civilians once a conflict has started. Around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. 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