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BBCNEWS Verified July 3, 2024

Dream is violating our constitution and it is going out of the law. Whatever they are doing and how they are using force against peaceful demonstrators and everything they are doing for the last month i think they are breaking the law. [30 are doing for the last month i think they are breaking the law. They are breaking the law. Do you think it bothers they are breaking the law. Do you think it bothers georgian they are breaking the law. Do you think it bothers Georgian Dream l they are breaking the law. Do you | think it bothers Georgian Dream at all the facts that the eu and georgia wants tojoin all the facts that the eu and georgia wants to join that block have been very clear about being against this. Why would they press ahead given that is jeopardising membership of the eu . fiur ahead given that is jeopardising membership of the eu . Our oligarch doesnt membership of the eu . Our oligarch doesnt want membership of the eu . Our oligarch doesnt want any membership of the eu . Our oligarch doesnt want any membership membership of the eu . Our oligarch doesnt want any membership to membership of the eu . Our oligarch doesnt want any membership to the eu and Georgian Dream only wants to retain its Powerforever Eu and Georgian Dream only wants to retain its power forever and they are becoming extensively authoritative and they dont need the eu recommendations or regulations, itsjust georgian regulations, its just georgian people regulations, itsjust georgian people who really want a European Union. But the propaganda is so strong in this country that they are still some are making sure that some of their supporters believe they can actually deliver eu to georgia. But this is a pay will i. Its very important that all who still have some kind of hopes for georgia to realise and understand there is no way to the European Union with this kind of legislation and with this kind of legislation and with this kind of legislation and with this kind of thing. We are required to reform our country, to free judiciary and have elections but this legislation definitely jeopardises everything that we have to deliver in order to be able to go further into europe and the integration process. At the propaganda is extremely strong so its not very clear for everyone and thats why it is very important that our partners from the west take a serious response to this legislation. Serious response to this leaislation. ~. ,. ,. , legislation. We have to leave it there but thanks legislation. We have to leave it there but thanks for legislation. We have to leave it there but thanks forjoining legislation. We have to leave it there but thanks forjoining us| legislation. We have to leave it. There but thanks forjoining us live on bbc news. We continue to watch the pictures, there you see the large crowds that have gathered through the course of today and they grew in size as the hour approached when inside the Parliament Building they were voting on this bill. The majority of mps in Parliament Voting to make it law and since then we have seen those clashes. But in the last hour or so it has slightly settled into two very set camps with a large group of protesters but the Security Forces not attempting to move them any further. There was an initial attempt to push them back away from the Parliament Building but since then we have seen those ranks of riot police stay more or less in place. Watching these live pictures as our europe Regional Editor and we were talking just thereabout the potential for eu membership and our guest saying the Georgian Dream party is not interested in that. But what is the justification for bringing in this new law . ,. ,. ,. ,. , new law . They argue on two fronts mainl. New law . They argue on two fronts mainly one new law . They argue on two fronts mainly one is new law . They argue on two fronts mainly. One is they new law . They argue on two fronts mainly. One is they say new law . They argue on two fronts mainly. One is they say its new law . They argue on two fronts mainly. One is they say its about | mainly. One is they say its about transparency and they say other countries its notjust russia that have similar laws. They point towards the us for example. They also say about georgian sovereignty, so the idea that if organisations and ngos are getting foreign funding that that somehow compromises georgian sovereignty. They say they want for georgia to join the European Union. That is their official position. But there are strong links with Bidzina Ivanishvili The Billionaire who is the power behind Georgian Dream. He is not the Prime Minister but hes behind the scenes. The kremlin interestingly says or accuses the eu and the west and the us of meddling in domestic politics. For many georgians they listen to that with extreme irony given the fact that russia invaded georgia in 2008 and controls to georgian provinces. That is part of the reason why protesters are so agitated about this law. You heard one of your guests talking about why not offer it up to a referendum because the Georgian Dream party says the majority of children support this law. I guess from the protesters point of view, if you are so confident about that offer it up for a referendum and we will save chosen people really supported. I will save chosen people really summed will save chosen people really supported. Will save chosen people really suorted. ~. , h . , supported. I know its difficult to see and in supported. I know its difficult to see and in the supported. I know its difficult to see and in the immediate supported. I know its difficult to. See and in the immediate aftermath of the vote, but its difficult to see where this goes to next. There is the chance of the president vetoing it but then it goes back to parliament at the numbers are there to push it through. Where did these protests go . Protests go . Thats the difficult issue. Protests go . Thats the difficult issue its protests go . Thats the difficult issue its a protests go . Thats the difficult issue. Its a really protests go . Thats the difficult issue. Its a really critical issue. Its a really critical juncture. Does it turn to violence, do we see more violent protests, do we see that . But it seems to be a real drawing of the lines of this stage. We will for sure see protests from the eu, we will see official protests from the us. They have already made their position is very clear on this front, they oppose the law and think its the wrong step for georgia. Especially when it has aspirations tojoin the for georgia. Especially when it has aspirations to join the European Union. Aspirations to oin the European Union. ,. ,. , union. Other guest was reflecting on her wish that union. Other guest was reflecting on her wish that the union. Other guest was reflecting on her wish that the international her wish that the International Community bringing sanctions. Just remind viewers what the International Community and what the eu and the americans have said and what else potentially they could do. The European Union says it will damage the Georgian European perspective. Damage the georgian European Pempeetive damage the Georgian European ersective. ,. , damage the Georgian European ersective. ,. , perspective. European diplomats and us diplomats perspective. European diplomats and us diplomats have perspective. European diplomats and us diplomats have made perspective. European diplomats and us diplomats have made it perspective. European diplomats and | us diplomats have made it absolutely Crystal Clear they are against this and opposed this move. The assistant Secretary Of State for the us jim Secretary Of State for the usjim oneill Secretary Of State for the us jim oneill actually met the Secretary Of State for the usjim oneill actually met the georgian Prime Minister again today to try to underline this was in the us through a bad step. We may well see sanctions. The 84 georgian mps who voted for this third reading of the bill may be sanctioned. We willjust have to wait and see. Bill may be sanctioned. We will ust have to wait and semi have to wait and see. Thank you for that analysis have to wait and see. Thank you for that analysis and have to wait and see. Thank you for that analysis and for have to wait and see. Thank you for that analysis and for being have to wait and see. Thank you for that analysis and for being here have to wait and see. Thank you for that analysis and for being here as| that analysis and for being here as we continue to watch the scenes. If you are justjoining we continue to watch the scenes. If You Arejustjoining us on bbc news, we are staying with these pictures and live scenes from the capital of georgia with so many people on the streets because parliament has pushed through this very controversial bill that has become law and weve seen clashes over the last while. But no sign at all that the government has been listening or plans to have any sort of compromise. That bill has become law in georgia with the prospect potentially of the present intervening, but certainly the numbers, they have those in parliament, and that is why all of those people are on the streets. Lets speak to one of them who was the daughter of the former georgian Prime Minister. Welcome to the programme. You have been among the crowds. Give me a sense of what it has been like over the last few hours. ,. ,. ,. , has been like over the last few hours. ,. , i. , hours. Hello everyone, thank you for havin hours. Hello everyone, thank you for having me hours. Hello everyone, thank you for having me. Thank hours. Hello everyone, thank you for having me. Thank you hours. Hello everyone, thank you for having me. Thank you for hours. Hello everyone, thank you for having me. Thank you for showing i having me. Thank you for showing this process. The line between the police this process. The line between the police and this process. The line between the police and Special Forces and the protesters is contained by the Media Representatives and cameras and by transparency of the process to the rest of transparency of the process to the rest of the transparency of the process to the rest of the world and People Living in georgia rest of the world and People Living in georgia and its a very important mechanism in georgia and its a very important mechanism of keeping this piece in this moment. Today the law was finally this moment. Today the law was finally voted as you well know and protesters finally voted as you well know and protesters gathered around the parliament and faced an unprecedented amount of police. It looked unprecedented amount of police. It looked quite inadequate for the amount looked quite inadequate for the amount of people that was there. The space amount of people that was there. The space right amount of people that was there. The space right in front of the parliament has been used for protests parliament has been used for protests for years and years since the 1990s protests for years and years since the 1990s and since georgian independence. Georgian people are very outspoken because the system oppresses very outspoken because the system oppresses the civil dignity. This is a point oppresses the civil dignity. This is a Point At Oppresses the civil dignity. This is a point at which since 2003 the scale a point at which since 2003 the scale of a point at which since 2003 the scale of the protests and the publicity in terms of involving different publicity in terms of involving different generations and different social different generations and different social classes and different pools and tbilisi as well as in regions in the western part of georgia and eastern the western part of georgia and eastern and central cities and i believe eastern and central cities and i believe this public force which has been believe this public force which has been able believe this public force which has been able to somehow resist systems that have been able to somehow resist systems that have been in place for years and yearsm that have been in place for years and years. Let that have been in place for years and years and years. Let me ask you a question and years. Let me ask you a question about and years. Let me ask you a question about why and years. Let me ask you a question about why you and years. Let me ask you a question about why you have | and years. Let me ask you a| question about why you have a because weve heard from a number of protesters, they believe georgia is now at a crossroads, their democracy is at stake. Is that how you see it . The way i see it is that georgia, which the way i see it is that georgia, which has the way i see it is that georgia, which has formed its geopolitical vision which has formed its geopolitical vision within the western geopolitical line, where we have opened geopolitical line, where we have opened ourselves since the fall of the soviet opened ourselves since the fall of the soviet union as a passive through the soviet union as a passive through the east and the west and which through the east and the west and which has through the east and the west and which has been engraved in generations and civil conscious, that knowledge and understanding of our role that knowledge and understanding of our role and our identity has georgians within the world has been compromised by the introduction of the law compromised by the introduction of the law and more so by the speech of bidzina the law and more so by the speech of Bidzina Ivanishvili who addressed the public and openly stated a change the public and openly stated a change of the geopolitical direction according change of the geopolitical direction according to which this country has been according to which this country has been going according to which this country has been going for decades. That is with the reason been going for decades. That is with the reason why it has resulted in these the reason why it has resulted in these protests and the second powerful reason i came out is because powerful reason i came out is because my friends about. I have over because my friends about. I have over ten because my friends about. I have over ten friends and close allies who have over ten friends and close allies who have been beaten up severely and who have been beaten up severely and who have who have been beaten up severely and who have been beaten up severely and who have been taken to prison and it is important who have been taken to prison and it is important to know they were not beaten is important to know they were not beaten up is important to know they were not beaten up for violence, they were trying beaten up for violence, they were trying to beaten up for violence, they were trying to stand in between police and people being violated by police. I want and people being violated by police. I want to and people being violated by police. I want to underline the forms of the protests i want to underline the forms of the protests have been peaceful. We have been watching protests have been peaceful. We have been watching the protests have been peaceful. We have been watching the scenes protests have been peaceful. We have been watching the scenes over protests have been peaceful. We have been watching the scenes over the been watching the scenes over the last few hours and we saw some of that violence around the parliament steps. I introduced you and said you are the daughter of the georgian pro minister between 2004 and 2005. He conjures the phrase i am georgian and therefore i am european. Do you think that is at stake here . Is that why all of the people on the streets are trying to ensure that continues in the future . His are trying to ensure that continues in the future . Are trying to ensure that continues in the future . His words are part of the history in the future . His words are part of the history and in the future . His words are part of the history and part in the future . His words are part of the history and part of in the future . His words are part of the history and part of the in the future . His words are part of i the history and part of the communal effort the history and part of the communal effort by the history and part of the communal effort by georgians since the early 90s for effort by georgians since the early 90s for the newly born country from the soviet 90s for the newly born country from the soviet union. With a very particular the soviet union. With a very particular identity and rich culture particular identity and rich culture. To create a vision and infrastructure and diplomatic lines with europe and the us. He stated this when with europe and the us. He stated this when georgia became part of the Eu Commission in 1999. So that direction Eu Commission in 1999. So that direction of geopolitical vision and the prospect of the development of the prospect of the development of the country has been established since the country has been established since the the country has been established since the 90s. 25 years ago. And people since the 90s. 25 years ago. And people have been standing on this ground people have been standing on this ground and the way we envision ourselves ground and the way we envision ourselves being realised and our lives ourselves be

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