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Israel says that since monday, about 300,000 palestinians have already fled rafah. The us is still urging israel not to mount a full scale assault on the city. And in the north there are evacuations in the city of jabalia as the idf says that it has been carrying out air strikes. It says hamas fighters are regrouping there. From jerusalem, heres our middle east correspondent, yolande knell. Another desperate exodus. Palestinians fleeing in their thousands, as israel signals it is now set to push further into the gazas southernmost city, issuing new evacuation orders. What should we do . Hanan asks. Do we wait until we all die on top of each other . Weve decided it is better to leave. Israel has said its taking action against hamas in one of its last strongholds and trying to bring home hostages. But today hamas said british israeli captured from his home last october had died of wounds from an israeli air strike. Meanwhile, with israels capture of one main Border Crossing and another blocked off by fighting, no aid is getting into southern gaza. There are now severe shortages of food, deepening the humanitarian crisis. So far, israels military is describing its offensive in rafah as limited but the world is watching, to see if this turns into the full scale invasion that the countrys allies have been warning against. And as israeli tanks and troops await orders near the gaza border, there has been another strong statement from washington. It says that with some of the strikes in gaza, israel may have used American Supplied Weapons In Breach of international law. Israel has consistently denied any violations and yet, the new report may have an impact on plans back here in rafah, where there is already a growing sense of emergency. Yolande knell, bbc news, jerusalem. Joining me now to discuss is aaron david miller, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a former Us State Department official. Welcome to you. Great to have you with us. I want to start with what we are seeing on the ground in gaza. There appears to be moved ahead of a broader offensive on the ground in rafah. As we know, it is something washington has said would be a red line if it goes ahead in that full scale capacity. If it does happen, what does that mean that we could see from washington, do you think . Could see from washington, do ou think . ~ ,. , you think . When it comes to the us israeli relationship, you think . When it comes to the us israeli relationship, red us israeli relationship, red lines sometimes turn pink. They are clearly expanding their area of operations down from the east end to the southern part of rafah. And they are engaging hamas fighters. Whether or not what the israelis plan to do as they expand will remain under what the Biden Administration believes to be is their bottom line, the redline, which would involve a major Israeli Ground campaign into densely Populated Areas where hamas is coordinating its military assets, the remaining four battalions of its organised structure in rafah, that is the question. We dont know the answer to that. In the next several days we will probably find out. The other point is hamas is researching in gaza in the north. Israeli have cleared jabalia and they had to play it again and thats the real problem with the entire israeli operation. They can be clear, they cant hold and they dont want to build. That really raises questions about where this will go. Raises questions about where this will go this will go. Just coming back to that operation this will go. Just coming back to that operation there this will go. Just coming back to that operation there in to that operation there in rafah, it appears to be the Biden Administration may be trying to offer the war cabinet some way back, saying for example, we could give you instead pinpoint intelligence about the whereabouts of hamas leaders for example. Do you think that the war cabinet, that netanyahu may decide to go with that as opposed to a broader offensive there in rafah . � ,. , rafah . Id be stunned to the oint of rafah . Id be stunned to the point of head rafah . Id be stunned to the point of Head Explosion rafah . Id be stunned to the point of Head Explosion if. Rafah . Id be stunned to the | point of Head Explosion if the administration or the long since october seven hadnt been helping the israelis identify where these people are, the key three leaders in the october terrace surge. I suspect they have been feeding israelis information. It is seven months now. Israelis are on the ground in gaza. I dont think that will be enough of an incentive. I think the americans have been doing that already. Again, the question is how restraint will be israelis be under these circumstances . Frankly, idon� t think there is a really good answer, i dont have one to that question. I answer, i dont have one to that question. Answer, i dont have one to that question. I want to ask ou, that question. I want to ask you. Who that question. I want to ask you. Who do that question. I want to ask you, who do you that question. I want to ask you, who do you think that question. I want to ask you, who do you think has. That question. I want to ask you, who do you think has more sway over mr netanyahu . We know that far right ministers in his War Cabinet Wantan that far right ministers in his war cabinet want an all out Ground Offensive there in rafah. We know what washington has said as world and the possibility to withhold military supplies. Ultimately who do Think Netanyahu will listen to more . Mil who do Think Netanyahu will listen to more . Who do Think Netanyahu will listen to more . All politics is local and listen to more . All politics is local and it listen to more . All politics is local and it seems listen to more . All politics is local and it seems to listen to more . All politics is local and it seems to me listen to more . All politics is| local and it seems to me that most important constituency Benjamin Netanyahu has is not in washington, it is not at the united nations, not the international communities, probably not the hostage families. It is the reality that without this government staying in a coherent form or if they went to elections, netanyahu would probably lose. Neta nyahu would probably lose. So netanyahu would probably lose. So the reality is the constituency that counts for him is his own political constituency,. Him is his own political constituency,. Constituency,. Do you think that could constituency,. Do you think that could potentially constituency,. Do you think that could potentially hurtl constituency,. Do you think. That could potentially hurt the us israeli relationship Going Forward . I us israeli relationship Going Forward . ~. , us israeli relationship Going Forward . ~. ,. , forward . I think there are all kinds of potential forward . I think there are all kinds of Potential Friction Kinds of potential Friction Points as we move forward but i think the Biden Administration, for any number of reasons, does not want a sustained, open breach, fracture with this government because the president has concluded that if he wants to de escalate Israeli Military activity, search humanitarian assistance into gaza, free the hostages, including six americans and open the door potentially for a broader regional initiative, which involves the israeli saudi normalisation, however fanciful that may appear to be at the moment, he will add to figure out a way to get the israelis and hamas into a negotiated agreement. That is the only mechanism that will extricate the president and frankly, Everyone Else who is affected by this terrible ongoing conflict, out of it, to broaden some space to move into something hopefully may be in a biden second term, may be with new leadership in israel, the pathway, i know its hard to envision but i think that is the hope. It begins with a ceasefire, six weeks may be at the beginning, in gaza. The beginning, in gaza. David miller, the beginning, in gaza. David miller. As the beginning, in gaza. David miller, as ever, the beginning, in gaza. David miller, as ever, great the beginning, in gaza. David miller, as ever, great to the beginning, in gaza. Davidj miller, as ever, great to have your thoughts. Now, after protests and controversy, the winner of the 68th Eurovision Song Contest in sweden has been announced. Representing switzerland, nemo took the title, with their song the code. They came top of the leaderboard, followed by frances slimane in second place and croatias baby lasagna landed third. The event hosted in the city of malmo has seen divisions over israels involvement, sparking pro palestinian demonstrations and a last minute disqualification of The Netherlands. 0ur chief presenter Maryam Moshiri joins me now from malmo in sweden. As ever, we always love seeing you at eurovision. How is the vibe . I you at eurovision. How is the vibe . ,. ,. , vibe . I love being here and one ofthe vibe . I love being here and one of the reasons vibe . I love being here and one of the reasons i vibe . I love being here and one of the reasons i love vibe . I love being here and one of the reasons i love being of the reasons i love being here is because the atmosphere is amazing. Here at the media centre, the atmosphere was 100 electric. The music was brilliant, the song is amazing after a week of high drama and high controversy, at last it all boiled down to who sang for besar according to the jury is audiences. The winner, switzerland, winning by a good margin over croatia which came second and france which came third. It was an amazing competition and nemo, The Swiss Act, they were absolutely brilliant. They literally won the majority of all the jury votes and ended up coming first. It was a nail biting final when you saw the split screen, croatia and switzerland. Switzerland needed 183 points from the Audience Vote to win and they got that. I dont know if you can hear this but The Swiss Act might be walking through the media centre. I have another amazing act here, charlotte gallagher, the bbc� s arts correspondent. Charlotte is a good singer, she has sung to us before. But next ear i has sung to us before. But next year i will has sung to us before. But next year i will go has sung to us before. But next year i will go for has sung to us before. But next year i will go for the has sung to us before. But next year i will go for the uk year i will go for the uk entry. Year i will go for the uk entry, what do you reckon . You would do entry, what do you reckon . You would do better entry, what do you reckon . Ym. Would do better than 0lly alexander. He would do better than olly alexander. Would do better than olly alexander. ,. , alexander. He got no points. He did ok in alexander. He got no points. He did 0k in the alexander. He got no points. He did ok in the jury alexander. He got no points. He did ok in the jury vote, alexander. He got no points. He did ok in the jury vote, he alexander. He got no points. 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I always hate that when someone either ets hate that when someone either gets no hate that when someone either gets no points or hardly any points, gets no points or hardly any points, no matter what country, i points, no matter what country, ialways points, no matter what country, i always kind of feel for them. I always kind of feel for them. I did i always kind of feel for them. I did feel i always kind of feel for them. I did feel for croatia as well because i did feel for croatia as well because switzerland is amazing, nemo because switzerland is amazing, Nemo Incredible but baby lasagne, they really wanted to win it lasagne, they really wanted to win it for lasagne, they really wanted to win it for croatia for the first win it for croatia for the first time and take Eurovision To Croatia first time and take Eurovision To Croatia next year. So when it came to croatia next year. So when it came down to those two, for me it it came down to those two, for me it was it came down to those two, for me it was impossible to pick because me it was impossible to pick because they are both incredible. Incredible. Switzerland next ear. Incredible. Switzerland next year. Switzerland incredible. Switzerland next year. Switzerland next incredible. Switzerland next year. Switzerland next year| incredible. Switzerland next year. Switzerland next year and it has been year. Switzerland next year and it has been a year. Switzerland next year and it has been a tough year. Switzerland next year and it has been a tough week. Year. Switzerland next year and it has been a tough week. Its l it has been a tough week. Its been a difficult week for the ebu who organised the competition but tonight the music spoke for itself. It did. The performances music spoke for itself. It did. The performances on music spoke for itself. It did. The performances on stage l music spoke for itself. It did. The performances on stage were incredible the performances on stage were incredible and at times, it seemed incredible and at times, it seemed like all the controversy had been seemed like all the controversy had been forgotten, like when we saw had been forgotten, like when we saw switzerland, france did an incredible performance, ukraine, an incredible performance, ukraine, ireland. There were some ukraine, ireland. There were some moments, there was booming again some moments, there was booming again in some moments, there was booming again in the some moments, there was booming again in the audience for the israeli again in the audience for the israeli act and also for the Executive Director of eurovision. He was loudly booed at points, eurovision. He was loudly booed at points, which i think is the first at points, which i think is the first time at points, which i think is the first time that has happened and the first time that has happened and the crowd have been so annoyed and the crowd have been so annoyed with how they feel some parts annoyed with how they feel some parts of annoyed with how they feel some parts of the event have been mist parts of the event have been mist managed and also with The Netherlands act been kicked out Netherlands Act been kicked out. Joost klein a real fan favourite, europapa. They were removed favourite, europapa. They were removed from the contest. There was an removed from the contest. There was an incident backstage involving a member of the production crew. The dutch broadcaster said joost klein didnt broadcaster said joost klein didnt want to be filmed and made didnt want to be filmed and made a didnt want to be filmed and made a threatening Movement Towards made a threatening Movement Towards this camera person, because towards this camera person, because of that he was kicked out of because of that he was kicked out of the competition. The dutch out of the competition. The dutch broadcaster said that was disproportionate and in the media disproportionate and in the media centre, some of the dutch journalists media centre, some of the dutch journalists had justice for joost journalists had justice for joost klein on top of their laptops. In fact the Eurovision Executive laptops. In fact the eurovision Executive Director had to read out the Executive Director had to read out The Netherlands points because The Netherlands refused to read because The Netherlands refused to read out the points because they to read out the points because they are to read out the points because they are so Angryjoost Klein was they are so Angryjoost Klein was kicked out. All they are so angry joost klein was kicked out. They are so angry joost klein was kicked out. All over now. Switzerland was kicked out. All over now. Switzerland are was kicked out. All over now. Switzerland are the was kicked out. All over now. Switzerland are the winners l was kicked out. All over now. | switzerland are the winners of the 68th Eurovision Song Contest. The big question now is, switzerland next year, which city will they host it in . Whereabouts would it be hosted and will t

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