Hello, im christian fraser. Youre watching the context on bbc news. Electric car sales falter as a deadline for a ban on the sale of new Fossil Fuel Cars is extended. Natalie elphicke is the second conservative mp to defect to labour, in as many weeks. Her decision to defect was announced around 12pm just in time for sir keir starmer to bring it up at Prime Ministers questions. If one week a tory mp who is also a doctor says the Prime Minister cannot be trusted with the nhs and joins labour and the next week, the tory mp for dover on the front line of the small boats crisis says the Prime Minister cannot be trusted with our borders and joins labour, what is the point of this failed government staggering on . In a statement the dover mp said the conservatives under rishi sunak had become a by word for incompetence and division. This from someone who has long been preoccupied with the small boat crossings, many had thought her to be on the right of the conservative party. Dont trust labour on immigration she wrote last april in the express, they really want open borders. But in her interviews this afternoon she did point to sunak� s record on migration as one reason she had decided to defect. Hes not stopping the boats and he is letting the country down meanwhile, under labour, they are clear that it is important to have defence and they want to make sure that they have Good National security. So i think we should have confidence that labour are the party who will tackle this issue of the small boats crossing. There is a tweet here from steve baker, minister of state for Northern Ireland. I have been searching in vain for a conservative mp who thinks themself to the right of natalie elphicke. Onejust quipped, i didnt realise there was any room to her right. How damaging is this to rishi sunak . How damaging is this to rishi sunak . I think it is a surprise that conservative mps that she has defected to labour but it is damaging to rishi sunak because it is the second mp and as many weeks to defect. And i think, again it gives the sense of a government that is just running out of steam. Behind it is this important issue of immigration that the Prime Minister and sumfest raised up the political agenda. Actually, for many people, they feel he is not not delivering on it. He that himself a pledge of stopping the boats which arguably is like saying you are going to stop crime. I think the problem, and practice that is a complex problem to tackle and now he is being criticised on not delivering on this pledge and now there are levels of legal migration that also people feel is way too high in this also ties into the Brexit Debate that we have had that many of the voters and fred wall seats this is a key issue they wanted to see fixed for britain and therefore it is politically salient for those swing seats conservatives are trying to hang onto it and are under repression from labour. I onto it and are under repression from labour onto it and are under repression from labour. , ,. , ~ from labour. I wonder if rishi sunak did miss a trick from labour. I wonder if rishi sunak did miss a trick this from labour. I wonder if rishi sunak did miss a trick this afternoon. Did miss a trick this afternoon. Obviously the focused fell on migration. He says his policies are not working and not clear enough. There a lot of people who question if the policy of labour are clear enough. Yes they went quicker processing of Asylum Seekers, but lets face it, people up and try to tackle for gangs, governments have been trying to tackle the kinks for an awful lot of years and it has not worked. Ijust wonder if he is going to have to start looking at what labour� s policy on migration actually is. I labours policy on migration actually is labours policy on migration actually ia labours policy on migration actuall is. ~ ,. ,~ labours policy on migration actuall is. ~ , actually is. I think rishi sunak has been trying actually is. I think rishi sunak has been trying to actually is. I think rishi sunak has been trying to challenge actually is. I think rishi sunak hasj been trying to challenge labour on their plan and for all of the attacks they made on the governments policy including sending some Asylum Seekers to be processed in rwanda, labour have been more vague about what they would do as and when they get into government. So i think for both parties it is an incredibly difficult challenge. The other issue alike to this is ideally, what you want to do, is to stop people feeling like they need to set up on those journeys and the first place. So there is a part of this that is working upstream with countries to help them provide more opportunities to their own people where they already are. But behind that, there is also when people arrive here, they are often not processed for months, years, sometimes they disappear into who knows where, the system, if you would like and we lose track of them. So in every aspect of the system there is failure that needs to be tackled. Migration spells similar trouble forjoe biden. Which perhaps explains why his campaign is out with a new ad. To remind latino voters of president trumps policies at the border specifically, Family Separation, officially announced six years ago this week. It resulted in nearly 4,000 children being taken from their parents. Have a look at the ad. We did Family Separation and a lot of people didnt come. They are bringing drugs, they are bringing crime. | they are rapists. Crying when you say to a family that if you come we are going to break you up, they dont come. They are destroying our country, they are destroying the guts of our country. The Biden Administration unveiling a task force to locate and reunite families who were separated out the border under the Trump Administration 0 tolerance policy. They got separated from their parents, it pilots every notion of who we are as a nation. The reason i asked the last question ofjustine is if youre going to criticise someone elses Migration Policy you have to have one yourself in the lab people may look atjoe biden� s policies and saying, look there has been a crisis of the Board Forfour there has been a crisis of the board for four years and you have not done anything about it. I wonder how risky putting an ad out like that is . I risky putting an ad out like that is . , risky putting an ad out like that is . ~ ,. ,. , is . I think it reminds people that for all of the is . I think it reminds people that for all of the conversation is . I think it reminds people that for all of the conversation about| for all of the conversation about the border and migration and immigration overall, it is not as black and white as the rights would have us black and white as the rights would have us be black and white as the rights would have us be. These are human beings come have us be. These are human beings come these have us be. These are human beings come these are actually people. By and large come these are actually people. By and large they are not drug dealers and large they are not drug dealers and rapists. These are people who have and rapists. These are people who have been and rapists. These are people who have been through unimaginable hardships who are just trying to get humanitarian assistance. It is striking humanitarian assistance. It is striking to humanitarian assistance. It is striking to me that the people on the right striking to me that the people on the right are the ones pumping their chests the right are the ones pumping their chests loudest at being so called christians chests loudest at being so called christians and wear their faith on their christians and wear their faith on their sleeve and yet here we have them their sleeve and yet here we have them advocating for a government that would separate mother from their child. That isjust not right. Anyone their child. That isjust not right. Anyone who goes out there and says to any anyone who goes out there and says to any politician in the world, this politician to any politician in the world, this politician once an open border policy, politician once an open border policy, that is nonsense. No politician policy, that is nonsense. No politician wants an open border unmitigated policy for their country. Unmitigated policy for their country, that is a false choice and is not country, that is a false choice and is not true country, that is a false choice and is not true. The reality is the migration is not true. The reality is the Migration Problems we have in this world Migration Problems we have in this world are Migration Problems we have in this world are only going to get worse especially as we seek the impacts of realtime especially as we seek the impacts of real time consequences of Climate Change real time consequences of Climate Change. Which will lead to massive migration change. Which will lead to massive migration | change. Which will lead to massive mi. Ration. , change. Which will lead to massive miaration. ,. ,. , change. Which will lead to massive miaration. ,. ,. , migration. I hear the point you are both making migration. I hear the point you are both making and migration. I hear the point you are both making and my migration. I hear the point you are both making and my instinct migration. I hear the point you are both making and my instinct is both making and my instinct is that i agree with you but im looking at the polls and im looking at the polls here in europe. If you could donald trump you get 0 tolerance, mass deportations, detention camps, id checks in border areas which will specifically target latinos. The people are voting for it and are voting for these harder Line Measures here in europe. The labour party has voted over 130 times against the policy of rishi sunak, but i come back to that question that the current policies are not working. That is what is annoying a lot of people out there. Thea;r lot of people out there. They are ri. Ht to lot of people out there. They are right to be lot of people out there. They are right to be annoyed. Lot of people out there. They are right to be annoyed. No lot of people out there. They are right to be annoyed. No one lot of people out there. They are right to be annoyed. No one can| right to be annoyed. No one can disagree right to be annoyed. No one can disagree with the fact that our Immigration System is like everywhere, not working. Great. That is why everywhere, not working. Great. That is why democrats try to work on passing is why democrats try to work on passing a is why democrats try to work on passing a bipartisan Border Security built that passing a bipartisan Border Security built that donald trump tanked. Donald built that donald trump tanked. Donald trump gave the order to House Republicans in our congress a do not support republicans in our congress a do not sopport this republicans in our congress a do not support this Bipartisan Bill Co sponsored by one of the conserved dissenters co sponsored by one of the conserved dissenters in co sponsored by one of the conserved dissenters in the republican party, james dissenters in the republican party, James Lange Theory and trump said no deal so James Lange Theory and trump said no deal so nothing is getting done. That is deal so nothing is getting done. That is why you are seeing Joe Biden Act with that is why you are seeing Joe Biden Act with Executive Order some of which act with Executive Order some of which are act with Executive Order some of which are being announced in the next which are being announced in the next 24 which are being announced in the next 24 hours about tightening up the border, tightening up migration. You think the border, tightening up migration. You think there should have been an Executive Order on that . You you think there should have been an Executive Order on that . Executive order on that . You think ou Executive Order on that . You think you should . Executive order on that . You think you should . I Executive Order on that . You think you should . Ithink Executive Order on that . You think you should . I think so. Executive order on that . You think you should . I think so. I Executive Order on that . You think you should . I think so. I think, you should . I think so. I think, hey, you should . I think so. I think, hey, you you should . I think so. I think, hey, you are you should . I think so. I think, hey, you are president there are legitimate hey, you are president there are legitimate problems on your watch and you legitimate problems on your watch and you have to show you are hearing that the and you have to show you are hearing that the american people. The and you have to show you are hearing that the american people. That the american people. The risk with that is that the american people. The risk with that is why that the american people. The risk with that is why did that the american people. The risk with that is why did you that the american people. The risk with that is why did you not that the american people. The risk with that is why did you not do that the american people. The risk| with that is why did you not do that for years ago. There is a whisper that labour is looking at a third country. They are watching very closely what italy is doing with albania. Are there countries in europe looking at it. So deterrence is even being considered on the left. I is even being considered on the left. , is even being considered on the left. ~ ,. ,. ,. , left. I think everyone is having to think creatively left. I think everyone is having to think creatively and left. I think everyone is having to think creatively and differently i think creatively and differently about how to tackle this. We are in about how to tackle this. We are in a very different world now, really, since the syrian Refugee Crisis when we start to see huge movements of people coming into europe, and our case. I think the levels of instability we see around the world, then we can expect that to continue. It is worth reflecting on the fact that in terms of the war on ukraine, we have not seen millions of people flowing across europe out of ukraine. Actually, should that continue and should we not, in the end, be able to win against president putin, then actually that itself could become quite significant flow of refugees. So we are going to have to Work Together as countries, but i think there is no way we cant Work Together either individually as countries, so it cannotjust be a National Effort it has to be an interNational Effort. We talked last night about what working together could look like during the european parliamentary elections but maybe we will visit that another time. Around the world and across the uk. This is bbc news. We are continuing to follow that Breaking News and brought you a little earlier in the programme. Coming to us from police in manchester. They said they have arrested three men on the suspicion of the commission and preparation and instigation of acts of terrorism. Officers said executed for warrants today in bolton. Great lever, al brennan and hendley earlier this evening. Scenes remain in place at the four addresses that were rated. As the inquiries are being carried out. The assistant chief constable rob potts who holds responsibility for Counterterrorism Policing in the north west said that this evening, we have executed a number of planned warrants as part of an ongoing counterterrorism investigation. Three men have been taken into custody for questioning. In scenes remain in place as we conduct further inquiries. He also added that although we cannot go into specific details of the investigation at the stage, he was to be sure members of the public that he does not currently believe that he does not currently believe that there is any wider threat linked to the inquiry of today. That is springing up to see of what is happening in greater manchester. Bringing you up to speed. Car manufacturers are struggling to sell electric cars, with private sales down almost 18 in the first four months of the year compared with last year. Just 16 of electric cars sold last month were bought by private consumers the rest were purchased for company fleets. The government introduced a mandate last september for 22 of carmakers sales in 2024 to be zero emission vehicles, but the industry says its not likely that target will be met. Tim pollard is Editorial Director for car magazine. Hello, why are we not buying as many electrical vehicles as was hoped . This is a big transformation at the moment, it has been happening for a long time, you have been able to buy an electric car in the uk for over a decade but youll need to look at the price of electric cars to realise one of the big stumbling blocks. They are really expensive and i think at a time it has a lot of your listeners and viewers would be feeling the caution with inflation rampant and with a turbulent few years, can people go and afford to spend the money on an electric car, it seems not. I thought the flood of chinese vehicles would bring pric