Is the tory candidate really suffering as a result. It will confirm the fear of tory mps that the effect of the reform party is to really reduce their chances and increase labour� s chances, so if it is replicated on scale in a General Election it could have quite a devastating effect in terms of the type of loss of the tories have, so this result will not provide much comfort, particularly because there are problems that nigel farage might say he is taking a more active role in the party, something tories have also feared, for giving it more momentum. Also feared, for giving it more momentum also feared, for giving it more momentum. ,. ,. , momentum. Moving away from reform towards rishi momentum. Moving away from reform towards rishi sunak, momentum. Moving away from reform towards rishi sunak, what momentum. Moving away from reform towards rishi sunak, what do momentum. Moving away from reform towards rishi sunak, what do you towards rishi sunak, what do you think the results so far mean for him . ,. Think the results so far mean for him . ,~ ,. , think the results so far mean for him . ,. , , him . They are tricky. Obviously this has been the him . They are tricky. Obviously this has been the big him . They are tricky. Obviously this has been the big danger him . They are tricky. Obviously this has been the big danger point him . They are tricky. Obviously this has been the big danger point for. Has been the big danger point for rishi sunak since he became Prime Minister, last year� s local Election Results were pretty bad for the Prime Minister, i think they still any recovery narrative, they were so soon after he took over nobody would say, we played him, he has to go. So far we are not really getting light sent from tory mps, but i think in Downing Street and the Parliamentary Party that has always been a bit of a fear that if the results are really bad, by the end of the weekend mps are back in parliament on tuesday, you could start to seek a move against him. We are some way off that but the results are probably on the worse end of things right now which is why the Prime Minister will be hoping he has a few things he can point to on top of harlow and the odd police and crime commissioner, so that could be a metro mayor and better results elsewhere, he needs a story to tell to reassure his mps and if he does not, that is when they can start to get quite spooked. Not, that is when they can start to get quite spooked. Katy, thank you ve much get quite spooked. Katy, thank you very much for get quite spooked. Katy, thank you very much for that. Let� s speak to ava santina evans, Political Correspondent for politichoe. Thanks very much for coming on the programme. Let� s look at the Labour Perspective from this. If you were keir starmer, how would you be feeling . Keir starmer, how would you be feelin . ,. , keir starmer, how would you be feelina . ,. , ,. , feeling . You would be quite pleased, it is the worst feeling . You would be quite pleased, it is the worst result feeling . You would be quite pleased, it is the worst result for feeling . You would be quite pleased, it is the worst result for the it is the worst result for the tories in about a0 years in a local election, about the same as where they were in 95, which i don� t need to tell you is just before they lost that catastrophic election 97. But i would be concerned about the leadership� s position on israel gaza, in places like 0ldham they have lost seats to independent candidates specifically speaking on a one man date, which is the israel gaza position, i� d be looking towards those ahead of the General Election to consider the correct position specifically speaking on one mandate. If you are the Shadow Health secretary Wes Streeting where you are in a sort of marginal seat in ilford and you have a Candidate Running on a similar mandate, you might question whether that is a position they should reconsider. Katy, your thoughts on the kind of decisions that keir starmer will had to be making on this issue and whether any Policy Changes would be necessary . Whether any Policy Changes would be necessa . ,. ,. ,. , necessary . Labour have moved their osition on necessary . Labour have moved their position on a necessary . Labour have moved their position on a ceasefire necessary . Labour have moved their position on a ceasefire but necessary . Labour have moved their position on a ceasefire but the position on a ceasefire but the problem position on a ceasefire but the problem is lots of voters who feel isolated problem is lots of voters who feel isolated by labour because my position isolated by labour because my position remember that old position and how position remember that old position and how long they took to get to the new ceasefire position, and there is a clip new ceasefire position, and there is a clip of new ceasefire position, and there is a clip of keir new ceasefire position, and there is a clip of keir starmer On Lbc Soon After A Clip of keir starmer on lbc soon after party a clip of keir starmer on lbc soon after Party Conference last year when after Party Conference last year when he after Party Conference last year when he was asked about cutting off electricity when he was asked about cutting off electricity and so on in gaza and appeared electricity and so on in gaza and appeared to suggest that this could be a appeared to suggest that this could he a way appeared to suggest that this could be a way israel could defend itself. After some days he clarified his position after some days he clarified his position but the clip lives on and ensured position but the clip lives on and ensured that there is whats up various ensured that there is whats up various whatsapp groups and i think has come various whatsapp groups and i think has come back to haunt the labour party has come back to haunt the Labour Party I has come back to haunt the labour party. I think they are in a tricky position party. I think they are in a tricky position and we have had enough in terms position and we have had enough in terms of position and we have had enough in terms of the early results here but also if terms of the early results here but also if you terms of the early results here but also if you look at George Galloways election in that by election, it suggests there is a backlash by election, it suggests there is a backlash towards labour which could be backlash towards labour which could he partly backlash towards labour which could be partly traced to the position on israel be partly traced to the position on israel gaza. It is tricky, you could et israel gaza. It is tricky, you could get some israel gaza. It is tricky, you could get some quite quirky results whereby get some quite quirky results Whereby Labour could be on course for a Whereby Labour could be on course for a landslide or at least a large majority for a landslide or at least a large majority but some seats like bristol, majority but some seats like bristol, the shadow set which could lose her bristol, the shadow set which could lose her seat to the greens, thangam dehhonaire, lose her seat to the greens, thangam debbonaire, and so far. The labour party debbonaire, and so far. The labour party will debbonaire, and so far. The labour party will try debbonaire, and so far. The labour party will try to reflect on what they party will try to reflect on what they could do but it is not so simple they could do but it is not so simple as they could do but it is not so simple as changing a position because simple as changing a position because of the events leading up to it. Ava, sticking with labour, leading up to it. Ava, sticking with labour. We leading up to it. Ava, sticking with labour, we heard leading up to it. Ava, sticking with labour, we heard keir leading up to it. Ava, sticking with labour, we heard keir starmer labour, we heard keir starmer talking about basically wanting rishi sunak to call an election, it is time to move forward with labour, we will hear those messages, we have heard that for a while and will continue to do so. What do you think about that as a strategy and more broadly the Labour Position away from the specific issue of the israel gaza war. I from the specific issue of the israel gaza war. From the specific issue of the israel gaza war. I think labour are caettin israel gaza war. I think labour are getting quite israel gaza war. I think labour are getting quite tired israel gaza war. I think labour are getting quite tired with israel gaza war. I think labour are getting quite tired with having israel gaza war. I think labour are getting quite tired with having to l getting quite tired with having to keep mirroring the conservative party. I think what we have seen over the last year is essentially labour policy has been a de facto copy of whatever the conservatives had done, we have seen that through the gender critical advice and advice on inflation, we have seen it throughout the Cost Of Living crisis. I think they are running out of road that they need to get to a point where they could start announcing these sorts of policies they would like to bring in if they get it to government, so there seems to be a fatigue amongst activists where they are turning up on the doorstep and they don� t have anything new to tell constituents other than, though, the conservatives are doing absolutely terribly, how bad could it be if we got into government . But i think the Israel Gaza Point is really important. Pat mcfadden, labour� s National Election coordinator has been out and about this morning. He says it has come up on the doorstep and we will have to reconsider, particularly in london and sadiq khan� s campaign, the result of which we will get tomorrow, about midday, one o� clock, his team have really been concentrating on the issue, out and about fly hearing, on the doorstep banging the drum that sadiq khan is very much for a ceasefire and if you are a younger voter you can trust in him he will pressure the Labour Leadership into changing their position. The Labour Leadership into changing their position. Katy, can we spend a moment on their position. Katy, can we spend a moment on the their position. Katy, can we spend a moment on the liberal their position. Katy, can we spend a moment on the Liberal Democrats, | their position. Katy, can we spend a i moment on the Liberal Democrats, the greens, the independence, smaller parties away from the big two and the impact of reform . Has anything stood out for you . The the impact of reform . Has anything stood out for you . Stood out for you . The green party seem to be stood out for you . The green party seem to be benefiting stood out for you . The green party seem to be benefiting to stood out for you . The green party seem to be benefiting to a stood out for you . The green party seem to be benefiting to a degreel seem to be benefiting to a degree from some of the votes leaving labour, from some of the votes leaving labour, some of that can potentially be traced labour, some of that can potentially be traced to israel palestine, that argument be traced to israel palestine, that argument has been made by some green politicians argument has been made by some green politicians. We will have the bristol politicians. We will have the Bristol County later, that is why one of Bristol County later, that is why one of the Bristol County later, that is why one of the Koh Green PartyDel Microlitres is eventually trying to win a microlitres is eventually trying to win a Seat Microlitres is eventually trying to win a seat in a General Election so that will win a seat in a General Election so that will he win a seat in a General Election so that will be an interesting test of greens that will be an interesting test of Greens Versus Labour and on the lib dems Greens Versus Labour and on the lib dems i Greens Versus Labour and on the Lib Dems I ThinkGreens Versus Labour and on the Lib Dems I Think wokingham will be very interesting. John redwood in that seat, interesting. John redwood in that seat. It interesting. John redwood in that seat. It is interesting. John redwood in that seat. It is a interesting. John redwood in that seat, it is a True Blue Council but there seat, it is a True Blue Council but there is seat, it is a True Blue Council but there is hope they could potentially make there is hope they could potentially make it there is hope they could potentially make it into a lib dem one, in which case make it into a lib dem one, in which case it make it into a lib dem one, in which case it will make it into a lib dem one, in which case it will feel quite different and i case it will feel quite different and i think he will start to feel the story and i think he will start to feel the Story Squeeze if that comes to be the Story Squeeze if that comes to he the the Story Squeeze if that comes to be the case, where the Liberal Democrats are making inroads in the blue wall, democrats are making inroads in the blue wall, labour are making inroads in the blue wall, labour are making inroads in the red blue wall, labour are making inroads In The Red Wall and the reform party is helping In The Red Wall and the reform party is helping labour to do that. It raises is helping labour to do that. It raises the is helping labour to do that. It raises the question of where is the core vote raises the question of where is the core vote for the tories these days, is there core vote for the tories these days, is there one . Core vote for the tories these days, is there one . No i was looking particularly safe. Is there one . No i was looking particularly safe. Is there one . No i was looking articularl safe. �. ,. , particularly safe. Ava, where do you think that leads particularly safe. Ava, where do you think that leads rishi particularly safe. Ava, where do you think that leads rishi sunaks think that leads rishi sunak� s position . Think that leads rishi sunaks osition . ,. ,. , ~ position . No where is looking particularly position . No where is looking particularly safe. Position . No where is looking particularly safe. Reform position . No where is looking particularly safe. Reform did position . No where is looking particularly safe. Reform did notj particularly safe. Reform did not seem to make particularly safe. Reform did not seem to make much particularly safe. Reform did not seem to make much of particularly safe. Reform did not seem to make much of a particularly safe. Reform did not seem to make much of a dent i particularly safe. Reform did not seem to make much of a dent in Blackpool South, i know it was the biggest result in a by election so far, i7 , but not enough to clinch the conservative vote. If you are coordinating an election at the moment you will be looking at reform and thinking it might cut the votes slightly but it is not enough to take a seat from us, which would be quite a big breath of relief. Looking at the lib dems and the greens, the greens had a pretty catastrophic result in Blackpool South, i think they picked up around 300 votes, you would be thinking, we need to go back to the Drawing Boards and ask why we are doing so terribly in the face of a conservative government which is pretty unappealing, by all accounts, to the electorate. Diva pretty unappealing, by all accounts, to the electorate. To the electorate. Ava and katy, thank you to the electorate. Ava and katy, thank you so to the electorate. Ava and katy, thank you so much, to the electorate. Ava and katy, thank you so much, great to the electorate. Ava and katy, thank you so much, great to to the electorate. Ava and katy, l thank you so much, great to have to the electorate. Ava and katy, thank you so much, great to have you both and your thoughts taking over the results as we have done so far. Usual caveat, we are still a long way from knowing the complete picture, lots of results due to come, new ones coming in at around lunchtime and it will be into the weekend before we get the full picture. Thus far, not a great night for the conservatives so a pretty good night for labour. The labour leader sir keir starmer has been out and about in blackpool because they won Blackpool South. Late in blackpool because they won Blackpool South. In blackpool because they won blackool south. ~. ,. ,.