Breaking news from new york. The judge in the donald trump trial, ruled the former president violated a 939 ruled the former president violated a gag order and found him in contempt of court. Signed a total of 9,000 for the breaches, lets go to the courthouse. Tell us more. We have been the courthouse. Tell us more. , have been waiting for the judge to rule on this request from prosecutors to hold donald trump in contempt of court. They presented ten examples of where they said donald trump posted on social media and his Campaign Website attacking potential witnesses and jurors. Donald trumps defence was that he was responding to political attacks or reposting posts by others but the judge had told Donald Trumps lawyers they were losing credibility with the court so we had assumed he had would come down hard on donald trump and he has found him in contempt violating that gag order nine out of ten times. The judge said in his order reposts are still the words of the defendant, that the posts on social media and the words in his Campaign Website really represent his views so he has ordered donald trump to remove some of those posts and also said if the 1000 is not enough, are severe enough punishment to persuade him to stop violating the gag order, that he may in the future sign him even more at potentially even jail time. That was not something prosecutors were calling for in this instance and that donald trump in fact appeared to be angling for that but they said they wanted him warned that was on the table if he continued to violate the gag order and we still have another hearing later this week on four additional alleged violations of the Gag Order Thejudge will have alleged violations of the gag order the judge will have to decide on still. ,. , the judge will have to decide on still. ,. ,. , � , still. Thanks a lot for that. Lets talk to the still. Thanks a lot for that. Lets talk to the criminal still. Thanks a lot for that. Lets talk to the criminal defence still. Thanks a lot for that. Lets i talk to the criminal defence lawyer and former prosecutor who joins new live on the programme. Welcome. Your wider thoughts on this trial in a moment but first your reaction to what we have just heard from the court and the judge. What we have just heard from the court and thejudge. I what we have just heard from the court and the judge. What we have just heard from the court and the judge. Court and the udge. I dont know if it was court and the judge. I dont know if it was Shakespeare Court and the judge. I dont know if it was shakespeare that court and the judge. I dont know if it was shakespeare that said court and the judge. I dont know if it was shakespeare that said this. Court and the judge. 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So choc 9,000 up to flicking it off the shoulder, a win for trump. | shoulder, a win for trump. I understand what you are saying but clear warning from the judge, repeated breaches of this gag order over the last few weeks and yet we have only got to this stage now. Is there any realistic prospect ofjail time if there are further breaches do you think . Do you think . Legally yes, practically do you think . Legally yes, practically no. Do you think . Legally yes, practically no. The do you think . Legally yes, practically no. The judge l do you think . Legally yes, practically no. The judge knows very practically no. Thejudge knows very well that to even entertain seriously the thought ofjail, to actually incarcerate the former president would play directly into the former president not hands, it would probably guarantee some level of unrest in this country, it would probably guarantee mr trump and even more solidified base and maybe even help him get re elected so i think the last thing that the judge is interested in doing is giving something that he knows the former president wants. It also plays into the narrative that the judge is conflicted and i think it would make it easierfor the former conflicted and i think it would make it easier for the former president to argue in the higher court, of course he is operating under a conflict of interest, he put me in jail. Conflictofinterest, he put me in ail. �. Conflictofinterest, he put me in ail. , � ,. ,. , jail. Interesting, lets move to the wider trial. Jail. Interesting, lets move to the wider trial, week jail. Interesting, lets move to the wider trial, week three jail. Interesting, lets move to the wider trial, week three starting, l wider trial, week three starting, what have you made of the case so far, as someone who is an expert in defence and prosecution . The difficulty in defence and prosecution . The difficulty in terms defence and prosecution . The difficulty in terms of defence and prosecution . The difficulty in terms of if defence and prosecution . The difficulty in terms of if you defence and prosecution . 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To to say the prosecution had a good week is not going to cut it, the prosecution has to kill it to have the prosecution has to kill it to have a the prosecution has to kill it to have a realistic shot of getting a conviction have a realistic shot of getting a conviction and i think here there is way too conviction and i think here there is way too much confusion in terms of what way too much confusion in terms of what is way too much confusion in terms of what is legal and what is not legal. Is it legal what is legal and what is not legal. Is it legal for a tabloid to pay for a story is it legal for a tabloid to pay for a story to is it legal for a tabloid to pay for a story to Kellettopen Up A bank account a story to Kellettopen Up A bank account in a story to Kellettopen Up A bank account in order to make a payment . Can you account in order to make a payment . Can you really influence and election can you really influence and election through the entry of these false numbers in the books and records . False numbers in the books and records . Is this using the system of criminal records . Is this using the system of criminaljustice to weapon eyes . To take the criminaljustice to weapon eyes . To take the presumptive nominee out of the race . Take the presumptive nominee out of the race . Too much going on, right now prosecution is ok but they are not winning. | now prosecution is ok but they are not winning not winning. I get what you are sa in not winning. I get what you are saying that not winning. I get what you are saying that the not winning. I get what you are saying that the counterpoint i not winning. I get what you are saying that the counterpoint would be if the prosecution can prove Donald Trump New what Michael Cohen was doing and we are told there are tapes potentially as evidence we know that donald trump very scrupulous about every cheque he signed, if they can prove that connection, presumably the prosecution will be home and dry . Technically yes, there is a difference between the technical and the reality. Ithink difference between the technical and the reality. I think as far as technically, he may very well be right, technically, he may very well be right, there may be evidence that mr trump right, there may be evidence that mr trump had right, there may be evidence that mr trump had knowledge which is one component of a criminal here and he intended component of a criminal here and he intended to component of a criminal here and he intended to commit a crime which is the other intended to commit a crime which is the other component. Even if that is too there the other component. Even if that is too there may be one jury, one juror sitting too there may be one jury, one juror sitting in too there may be one jury, one juror sitting in thatjury too there may be one jury, one juror sitting in that jury who simply is not going sitting in that jury who simply is not going to convict the former president not going to convict the former president for no other reason than he has president for no other reason than he has been saying you are going to convict he has been saying you are going to convict nre~ he has been saying you are going to convict me. It only takes one in the united convict me. It only takes one in the United States for a hung jury, a mistriat United States for a hung jury, a mistrial which would be a huge win for the mistrial which would be a huge win for the former president because this case for the former president because this case would not be retried again before this case would not be retried again before the this case would not be retried again before the election. Technically absolutely right. We before the election. Technically absolutely right. Before the election. Technically absolutely right. We have to leave it there but absolutely right. We have to leave it there but thank absolutely right. We have to leave it there but thank you absolutely right. We have to leave it there but thank you for absolutely right. We have to leave it there but thank you forjoining l it there but thank you Forjoining Us on the programme. More in this programme but lets move to the middle east where hamas leaders are considering a new Ceasefire Proposal from israel including a a0 day truce in return for some hostages and would allow displaced families to return to Northern Gaza. It reportedly involves new wording designed to satisfy hamas� s desire for a permanent ceasefire. A source said the offer is different from previous offers. Antony blinken has arrived injordan on the second leg of his latest middle east tour and will meet King Abdullah and senior officials with discussions expected to focus on boosting Aid Deliveries to focus on boosting Aid Deliveries to gaza. He is due to fly to israel later to discuss ceasefire negotiations. Lets speak to the former qatari director of Defence Intelligence operations and defence attach a to the us. We are grateful to have you on the programme again. In terms of negotiations how close do you think we are . In terms of negotiations how close do you think we are . Thank you for havin do you think we are . Thank you for having me do you think we are . Thank you for having me i do you think we are . Thank you for having me. Ithink do you think we are . Thank you for having me. I think we do you think we are . Thank you for having me. I think we are do you think we are . Thank you for having me. I think we are very having me. I think we are very close. The deal seems to be structured as you said quite differently. Unfortunately, as we have seen in the past, usually at the last minute as well, things tend to breakdown. We are keeping and i that all over the middle east and im sure in washington as well but the latest news from israel and the reporting of the possible or probable [and offensive on rafah may be that 11th Hour Spoiler for this deal. I be that 11th Hour Spoiler for this deal. 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While there is a basis for an agreement, that yesterday lord karen and secretary blink both said was generous, today, Prime Minister netanyahu and many members of his cabinet came out to say that no matter what the world will go on until the goal and the end of the war is achieved. The goals have been achieved which is the destruction of hamas. That happening within 2a hours of that statement from The Americans is counter productive i would think and sends a message that may be understood from hamas as being defiant. In understood from hamas as being defiant. Understood from hamas as being defiant. ,. ,. ,. , understood from hamas as being defiant. ,. ,. ,. , defiant. In terms of areas of movement defiant. In terms of areas of movement how defiant. In terms of areas of movement how significant l defiant. In terms of areas of| movement how significant is defiant. In terms of areas of. Movement how significant is it defiant. In terms of areas of movement how significant is it we are now discussing a a0 day ceasefire and not a permanent ceasefire . Also we seem to hit a major hurdle a couple of weeks ago when hamas was talking about not being in control of all of the hostages, the numbers again seem to have been reduced in terms of what we are talking about for releases. Is that also Significant Movement . I think it is Significant Movement, definitely structured in a different way. Unfortunately as we have seen in the past, hamas and other factions in gaza have said they may not have a clear number of all of the hostages, where they are located, we know that there are hostages that have been killed through either bombings are in gaza depending on the story, it is quite unclear. Getting back all the hostages is the unclear bit about this. Moving forward this is structured differently. While the, will the israelis stick to the plan and not a attack rafah before that . Because if that continues to happen, it is very unrealistic to expect that hamas would agree to a ceasefire. That hamas would agree to a ceasefire that hamas would agree to a ceasefire. ~. ,. ,. , ceasefire. We have to leave it but lets continue ceasefire. We have to leave it but lets continue to ceasefire. We have to leave it but lets continue to discuss ceasefire. We have to leave it but lets continue to discuss that ceasefire. We have to leave it buti lets continue to discuss that final thought because Benjamin Netanyahu has said israel will carry out an operation in rafah regardless of whether a Ceasefire Deal is reached with hamas in gaza. He made the comments during a meeting with the families of hostages where he treated israel would eliminate hamas and achieved total victory. A large protest was held in tel aviv last night, the pictures from that gathering calling for the hostages to be released and large fires were lit with to be released and large fires were [it with demonstrators clashing with lit with demonstrators clashing with police. Lets talk to a man whose Brother In Law is held hostage by hamas. Welcome again to the programme. I know it is emotionally difficult to watch every development and give a response. Many families choose not to. Are you hopeful by what you are hearing about a potential new Ceasefire Deal and hostage deal . Potential new Ceasefire Deal and hostae deal . ~. ,. , hostage deal . Thank you for having me aaain. Hostage deal . Thank you for having me again it hostage deal . Thank you for having me again it is hostage deal . Thank you for having me again. It is diffic