Understand the implications, so much so that the inquiry was exasperated by the end of it. Also the issue of Remote Access and we are likely to have questioning about what she knew and when she knew it. Yesterday she said she missed a key e mail about this in 2010 and all of this started with an apology that many of the victims i spoke to were not particularly satisfied with. I spoke to one victim who was a Sub Postmistress and was accused of stealing but was eventually wrongly convicted of False Accounting and a listen. Studio i think we will listen to that now. � ,. , studio i think we will listen to thatnow. � ,. ,. , that now. Because she was already contradicting that now. Because she was already contradicting herself, that now. Because she was already contradicting herself, she that now. Because she was already contradicting herself, she said that now. Because she was already contradicting herself, she said one| contradicting herself, she said one thing contradicting herself, she said one thing and contradicting herself, she said one thing and then she contradicted herself thing and then she contradicted herself again and it just seems to be that herself again and it just seems to be that she only remembers things when be that she only remembers things when its be that she only remembers things when its not her thats in the firing when its not her thats in the firing line when its not her thats in the firing line. So when its not her thats in the firing line when its not her thats in the firing line. When its not her thats in the firina line. , ,. ,. , firing line. So you stepped out to take a breath . Firing line. So you stepped out to take a breath . Yes, firing line. So you stepped out to take a breath . Yes, i firing line. So you stepped out to take a breath . Yes, i got firing line. So you stepped out to take a breath . Yes, i got quite l take a breath . Yes, i got quite an so take a breath . Yes, i got quite angry so i take a breath . Yes, i got quite angry so i had take a breath . Yes, i got quite angry so i had to take a breath . Yes, i got quite angry so i had to step take a breath . Yes, i got quite angry so i had to step out take a breath . Yes, i got quite angry so i had to step outjustl take a breath . Yes, i got quite i angry so i had to step Outjust To Regroup angry so i had to step Outjust To Regroup before i went back in and listened regroup before i went back in and listened to regroup before i went back in and listened to the next litany of answers listened to the next litany of answers. , listened to the next litany of answera answers. She said she was completely sor and answers. She said she was completely sorry and she answers. She said she was completely sorry and she is answers. She said she was completely sorry and she is truly answers. She said she was completely sorry and she is truly sorry answers. She said she was completely sorry and she is truly sorry and sorry and she is truly sorry and apologised to you and the other victims present in the room. What do you make of that apology . I victims present in the room. What do you make of that apology . You make of that apology . I dont acce t it, you make of that apology . I dont accept it. Im you make of that apology . I dont accept it, im sorry. You make of that apology . I dont accept it, im sorry. She you make of that apology . I dont. Accept it, im sorry. She apologises because accept it, im sorry. She apologises because she accept it, im sorry. She apologises because she thinks she has to, not because because she thinks she has to, not because she thinks she has to, not because she means it, or at least thats because she means it, or at least thats how because she means it, or at least thats how it feels to me. You were there in the thats how it feels to me. You were there in the high thats how it feels to me. You were there in the high court thats how it feels to me. You were there in the High Court Hearing thats how it feels to me. You were there in the High Court Hearing in l there in the High Court Hearing in 2018 when she gave evidence, what was the feeling then amongst you and the victims . �. ,. , the victims . Again, we were not ha the victims . Again, we were not happy with the victims . Again, we were not happy with what the victims . Again, we were not happy with what she the victims . Again, we were not happy with what she was the victims . Again, we were not happy with what she was saying | the victims . Again, we were not happy with what she was saying then and the happy with what she was saying then and the fact that she was asked to step out and the fact that she was asked to step out and take a break and give evidence step out and take a break and give evidence again, which was then different evidence again, which was then differentjust its all evidence again, which was then different just its all about protecting herself and really nothing about doing what she should be doing nothing about doing what she should be doing which is telling the truth. She kept be doing which is telling the truth. She kept saying that things didnt register with her at the time, the issues that were being flagged up to her was the Horizon It System and she said she didnt understand the implications of what that meant. Im implications of what that meant. Im sor , but implications of what that meant. Im sorry, but shes a very intelligent woman sorry, but shes a very intelligent woman as sorry, but shes a very intelligent woman as she knew exactly what was going woman as she knew exactly what was going on woman as she knew exactly what was going on and for her to stand and say she going on and for her to stand and say she didnt, i find that quite, i find that say she didnt, i find that quite, i find that quite abusive that she is not that find that quite abusive that she is not that i find that quite abusive that she is not that i didnt know karen. Do you acce t not that i didnt know karen. Do you accept that not that i didnt know karen. Do you accept that she not that i didnt know karen. Do you accept that she was not that i didnt know karen. Do you accept that she was relying not that i didnt know karen. Do you accept that she was relying on not that i didnt know karen. Do you accept that she was relying on the l accept that she was relying on the advice of the legal team . To some extent, advice of the legal team . To some extent. Yes. Advice of the legal team . To some extent. Yes. To advice of the legal team . To some extent, yes, to some advice of the legal team . To some extent, yes, to some extent advice of the legal team . To some extent, yes, to some extent yes. I advice of the legal team . To some i extent, yes, to some extent yes. But she was extent, yes, to some extent yes. But she was getting paid a very good amount she was getting paid a very good amount of she was getting paid a very good amount of money to understand what she was amount of money to understand what she was doing and if she didnt understand what she was doing, then she is understand what she was doing, then she is negligent and again, she should she is negligent and again, she should be she is negligent and again, she should be blamed for that. How does it feel when in the last should be blamed for that. How does it feel when in the last few weeks it feel when in the last few weeks we keep hearing about these missed opportunities where executives could have done something to recognise these convictions were unsafe . Again, itjust seems that ceos and again, it just seems that ceos and upper again, it just seems that ceos and upper management have all got nine or ten upper management have all got nine or ten differentjobs and upper management have all got nine or ten different jobs and they only spent or ten different jobs and they only spent two or ten different jobs and they only spent two or three days within a certain spent two or three days within a certain business. How can they possibly certain business. How can they possibly do theirjobs properly and expect possibly do theirjobs properly and expect to possibly do theirjobs properly and expect to be paid the amount of money expect to be paid the amount of money that they are paid, which is ridiculous money that they are paid, which is ridiculous amounts for what they do . And not ridiculous amounts for what they do . And not being negligent if they dont and not being negligent if they dont know whats going on in the business dont know whats going on in the business it dont know whats going on in the business. , �. , dont know whats going on in the business. , �. ,~ , business. It doesnt make sense. When it comes business. It doesnt make sense. When it comes to business. It doesnt make sense. When it comes to those business. It doesnt make sense. When it comes to those missed l when it comes to those missed opportunities, could you remind us what happened to you when you were a Sub Postmistress . I had what happened to you when you were a subpostmistress . Subpostmistress . I had some stamps a ear on subpostmistress . I had some stamps appear on my subpostmistress . I had some stamps appear on my computer subpostmistress . I had some stamps appear on my Computer System subpostmistress . I had some stamps appear on my Computer System that i appear on my Computer System that when appear on my Computer System that when i appear on my Computer System that when i try appear on my Computer System that when i try to reverse them out it doubted when i try to reverse them out it doubled and doubled again and then doubted doubled and doubled again and then doubled again and i ended up with £36,000 doubled again and i ended up with £36,000 loss, all of which gave me a conviction, £36,000 loss, all of which gave me a conviction, all the time lost, until my conviction was overturned. Its not acceptable to say you dont know not acceptable to say you dont know. ~. ,. ,. ,. ,. , know. What does it mean to you to see somebody know. What does it mean to you to see somebody like know. What does it mean to you to see somebody like angela know. What does it mean to you to see somebody like angela van know. What does it mean to you to see somebody like angela van den| see somebody like angela Van Den Bogerd and other executives answer questions and have to give evidence to this inquiry . Thea;r questions and have to give evidence to this inquiry . To this inquiry . They have to give evidence but to this inquiry . They have to give evidence but they to this inquiry . They have to give evidence but they are to this inquiry . They have to give evidence but they are very to this inquiry . They have to give evidence but they are very good l evidence but they are very good at saying evidence but they are very good at saying they dont remember or they dont saying they dont remember or they dont recait~ saying they dont remember or they dont recall. As far as im concerned thats a no answer interview. Concerned thats a no answer interview, they are just not doing what interview, they are just not doing what any interview, they are just not doing what any normal person would do when they are what any normal person would do when they are asked to tell the truth, theyre they are asked to tell the truth, theyre just not doing it. Theyre ust not doing it. Now, toda theyre just not doing it. Now, toda we theyre just not doing it. Now, today we are theyre just not doing it. Now, today we are also theyre just not doing it. Now, today we are also going theyre just not doing it. Now, today we are also going to theyre just not doing it. Now, | today we are also going to hear theyre just not doing it. Now, today we are also going to hear the lawyers for the victims ask questions and what we have seen in the past is that those questions tend to be a lot more impassioned, less clinical lust because these people personally represent the victims who have had their lives destroyed by this scandal. Thank you very much indeed. I13 Year Old Girl well being court. The scene on wednesday. One of the three injured members of Ysgol Dyffryn aman being taken to hospital after being stabbed. Yesterday it was announced that teacher fiona elias pictured here and another teacher who the bbc understands to be liz hopkin, and the pupil affected have all been released from hospital. The shocking incident prompted a huge multi agency response. Cid and forensic teams recovered a knife. And last night, an update from the police. A 13 Year Old Girl was arrested at the scene. I can confirm she has now been charged with three counts of attempted murder. Dyfed powys police also said that concerns are raised over some social media posts that referenced the incident that took place here. They went to the home of the person they believe responsible for that content, and a 15 year old male was arrested and remains in custody. Theyre now investigating whether there is a link between the two alleged offences. Ammanford is still in shock, and as staff of dyffryn aman return to school today, theyll prepared to assist those people affected as best they can, for when they return on monday. Tomos morgan, bbc news, ammanford. Humza yousaf is Under Pressure as he bailed out of the agreement he had with the green party, the power sharing agreement. This talk to our scottish correspondent. Humza yousaf Under Pressure or no, lets hear from yousaf Under Pressure or no, lets hearfrom david henderson. The Bute House Agreement last a thousand days but It Brokering Ministers into government for the first time anywhere in uk and with them came a raft of green policies. So what do voters think now they are gone . I think its sad because i think the greens were a good influence on the snp, but i guess we had a Majority Government before so it happen again. I government before so it happen aaain. ,. , government before so it happen aaain. ,. , again. I vote green most of the time but, es, again. I vote green most of the time but, yes. It again. I vote green most of the time but. Yes. It has again. I vote green most of the time but, yes, it has been again. I vote green most of the time but, yes, it has been brilliant. Again. I vote green most of the time but, yes, it has been brilliant. For. But, yes, it has been brilliant. For monsters but, yes, it has been brilliant. Ian monsters Power Sharing Deal was Under Pressure with key plans like the deposit returned scheme stalled and then ditched. The final straw, row over the pores on the prescription of Puberty Blockers for under 18. And scrapping of climate targets. Now the deal has collapsed, there is pressure on humza yousaf to change direction. But the Balance Of Power at holyrood means its not that simple. With the greens backing the no confidence vote, the alba partys mp is said is crucial. Luckily for humza yousaf His Perdio Decision luckily for humza yousaf his perdio Decision Making power of the parliament into the hands of one of the brightest and best and most Responsible Msps in the parliament which Responsible Msps in the parliament which is Responsible Msps in the parliament which is ash regan of the alba party and she which is ash regan of the alba party and she is which is ash regan of the alba party and she is one of the few adults in the room and she is one of the few adults in the room and so he has the opportunity to try and secure her vote but opportunity to try and secure her vote but he will have to work at it. What vote but he will have to work at it. What now vote but he will have to work at it. What now for the greens . They are out of office but not what they think out of the power. Wherever we are in the parliament think out of the power. Wherever we are in the parliament will think out of the power. Wherever we are in the parliament will fight think out of the power. Wherever we are in the parliament will fight for i are in the parliament will fight for principles are in the parliament will fight for principles and wherever we are we can win principles and wherever we are we can win. One of our Flagship Policies can win. One of our Flagship Policies such as free bus travel for under policies such as free Bus Travel For Under 20s policies such as free Bus Travel For Under 20s was a victory we won from the Scottish Under 20s was a victory we won from the Scottish Government before we entered the Scottish Government before we entered government for the first time entered government for the first time so entered government for the first time so we can win in government, we canwin time so we can win in government, We Canwin Out time so we can win in government, We Canwin Out of time so we can win in government, we can win out of government. The time so we can win in government, we can win out of government. Can win out of government. The scene is set four days can win out of government. The scene is set four days of can win out of government. The scene is set four days of trading can win out of government. The scene is set four days of trading and then i is set four days of trading and then a Knife Edge Vote to decide what follows this Power Sharing Deal. Bbc news, holyrood. British un