Impact to change ranch counts . What is the impact of to change ranch counts . What is the impact of this change on Branch Counts . Impact of this change on Branch Counts . Will Sub Postmaster be aware of the counts . Will Sub Postmaster be aware of the change . Why would this method of the change . Why would this method of axis of the change . Why would this method of axis be of the change . Why would this method of axis be used . What controls are in place of axis be used . What controls are in place to of axis be used . What controls are in place to prevent misuse of this method in place to prevent misuse of this method of in place to prevent misuse of this method of access . All penetrating questions, do you agree . Yes. And they necessarily arise from the two lines they necessarily arise from the two tines in they necessarily arise from the two tines in the they necessarily arise from the two lines in the e mail that we have seen, lines in the e mail that we have seen. They lines in the e mail that we have seen, they are logical questions that arise seen, they are logical questions that arise from it . Can we go please to page that arise from it . Can we go please to page four . Halfway down the page. Mr davidson of fujitsu halfway down the page. Mr davidson of fujitsu replies to mr williams, ptease of fujitsu replies to mr williams, please see the response below. If we io please see the response below. If we o to please see the response below. If we go to two. Please see the response below. If we go to two, thats it. Can fujitsu change go to two, thats it. Can fujitsu change Branch Transaction data without change Branch Transaction data without a change Branch Transaction data without a Sub Postmaster being aware of the without a Sub Postmaster being aware of the change . Answer, once created, branch of the change . Answer, once created, Branch Transaction data cannot be changed Branch Transaction data cannot be changed. Then this, only Additional Data can changed. Then this, only Additional Data can be changed. Then this, only Additional Data can be inserted. If this is required. Data can be inserted. If this is required, the additional transactions will be visible on the trading transactions will be visible on the Trading Statements but would not require Trading Statements but would not require acknowledgement or approval by a Sub Postmaster. The approval is given by a Sub Postmaster. The approval is given by by a Sub Postmaster. The approval is given by post office by The Change Process given by post office by The Change Process in given by post office by The Change Process. In response to a previous query. Process. In response to a previous query, fujitsu checked and found only one query, fujitsu checked and found only one occurrence in march 2010, which only one occurrence in march 2010, which was only one occurrence in march 2010, which was early in the pilot for Horizon Which was early in the pilot for horizon a which was early in the pilot for horizon. A detailed examination of archive horizon. A detailed examination of archive data would have to be undertaken to look into this access~~~ undertaken to look into this access. Sorry, look into this across access. Sorry, look into this across the access. Sorry, look into this across the lifetime of use. This would across the lifetime of use. This would be across the lifetime of use. This would be a across the lifetime of use. This would be a significant, complex process would be a significant, complex process to undertake. And discussed previously process to undertake. And discussed previously with post office, but discounted as to costly and impractical. Then he gives a series of answers impractical. Then he gives a series of answers that i wont read out to mr williams questions. Then can we gom mr williams questions. Then can we gom for mr williams questions. Then can we gom for we mr williams questions. Then can we go. Forwe move on from mr williams questions. Then can we go. For we move on from that, you agree go. For we move on from that, you agree that go. For we move on from that, you agree that this go. For we move on from that, you agree that this is fujitsu saying that fujitsu can insert Branch Transaction data . That fujitsu can insert Branch Transaction data . Yes. And this is fuitsu Transaction Data . Yes. And this is fuiitsu saying Transaction Data . Yes and this is fujitsu saying that they Transaction Data . 193 and this is fujitsu saying that they could do so without fujitsu saying that they could do so without approval by a Sub Postmaster . Without approval by a subpostmaster . Without approval by a sub ostmaster . ,. Subpostmaster . Yes, they are referrinu subpostmaster . Yes, they are referring to subpostmaster . Yes, they are referring to the subpostmaster . Yes, they are referring to the balance subpostmaster . Yes, they are referring to the balance and referring to the balance and transaction, although he has not specifically said it here. You think this is about specifically said it here. You think this is about balancing this is about Balancing Transactions . | this is about Balancing Transactions . This is about Balancing Transactions . ,. , this is about Balancing Transactions . ,. , m transactions . I think so, yes. Can we no to transactions . I think so, yes. Can we go to Page Transactions . I think so, yes. Can we go to page two. Transactions . I think so, yes. Can we go to page two, please . Transactions . I think so, yes. Can we go to page two, please . At i transactions . I think so, yes. Canl we go to page two, please . At the foot of we go to page two, please . At the foot of the we go to page two, please . At the foot of the page. Mr williams says. He mrwilliams says. He is mr williams says. He is producing a first mr williams says. He is producing a first draft mr williams says. He is producing a first draft of the note, noting that he a first draft of the note, noting that he is a first draft of the note, noting that he is intentionally not referring to that e mail as it distracts referring to that e mail as it distracts from what is otherwise a very clear distracts from what is otherwise a very clear picture. He hopes it will put the very clear picture. He hopes it will put the matter to bed, and the matter put the matter to bed, and the matter need not be escalated to the working matter need not be escalated to the working group, yes . Yes. And then. Ae. Working group, yes . Yes. And then ae~ one, working group, yes . 193 and then page one, please, that whole chain is provided page one, please, that whole chain is provided to you. The proposed interim is provided to you. The proposed interim answer to second sights guestion interim answer to second sights question as to whether it is possible question as to whether it is possible for anyone to access horizon possible for anyone to access horizon online and amend Transaction Data without the knowledge of the Sub Postmaster or their staff, the second Sub Postmaster or their staff, the second line, there is no functionality in the Horizon System either functionality in the Horizon System either through a front end terminal, or backend either through a front end terminal, or backend server to delete data once or backend server to delete data once it or backend server to delete data once it has or backend server to delete data once it has been transmitted from the data once it has been transmitted from the data centre. This is encrypted, transferred the data centre. This is encrypted, transferred to the data centre and stored transferred to the data centre and stored in transferred to the data centre and stored in a transferred to the data centre and stored in a separate audit server where stored in a separate audit server where they are recruited to ensure its integrity. The Sub Postmaster will always have visibility of these extra will always have visibility of these extra transactions as they are shown separately extra transactions as they are shown separately in the branch accounts. A more separately in the branch accounts. A more detailed note will follow. Did you approve this Holding Response and pass you approve this Holding Response and pass it you approve this Holding Response and pass it to second site . | you approve this Holding Response and pass it to second site . I didnt a rove and pass it to second site . I didnt approve it and pass it to second site . I didnt approve it why and pass it to second site . I didnt approve it. Why was and pass it to second site . I didnt approve it. Why was it and pass it to second site . I didnt approve it. Why was it being and pass it to second site . I didnt approve it. Why was it being sent l and pass it to second site . I didntl approve it. Why was it being sent to ou . To approve it. Why was it being sent to you . To pass approve it. Why was it being sent to you . To pass on. Approve it. Why was it being sent to you . To pass on. I approve it. Why was it being sent to you . To pass on, i think. Approve it. Why was it being sent to you . To pass on, i think. To approve it. Why was it being sent to you . To pass on, i think. To second| you . To pass on, i think. To second site . I you . To pass on, i think. To second site . I think you . To pass on, i think. To second site . I think so. You . To pass on, i think. To second site . Ithink so. I you . To pass on, i think. To second site . I think so. I tended you . To pass on, i think. To second site . I think so. I tended to you . To pass on, i think. To second site . I think so. I tended to be site . I think so. I tended to be aassin site . I think so. I tended to be passing things site . I think so. I tended to be passing things onto site . I think so. I tended to be passing things onto them site . I think so. I tended to be passing things onto them at i site . I think so. I tended to be. Passing things onto them at the time. Passing things onto them at the time. . , , passing things onto them at the time. I. ,. , i. Passing things onto them at the time. ,. , , passing things onto them at the time. , ~. , time. Can you keep your voice up, lease . Time. Can you keep your voice up, please . I time. Can you keep your voice up, please . I tended time. Can you keep your voice up, please . I tended to time. Can you keep your voice up, please . I tended to be time. Can you keep your voice up, please . I tended to be passing i please . I tended to be passing thins please . I tended to be passing things onto please . I tended to be passing things onto them please . I tended to be passing things onto them at please . I tended to be passing things onto them at the please . I tended to be passing things onto them at the time l please . I tended to be passing. Things onto them at the time for please . I tended to be passing i things onto them at the time for the information. He doesnt mention Balancing Transactions or stop looking at this now, it should have mentioned Balancing Transactions. You are ahead of me in the things it failed you are ahead of me in the things it failed to you are ahead of me in the things it failed to mention. You are ahead of me in the things it failed to mention. It you are ahead of me in the things it failed to mention. It fails i failed to mention. Sorry. It fails to set out failed to mention. Sorry. It fails to set out that failed to mention. Sorry. It fails to set out that fujitsu failed to mention. Sorry. It fails to set out that fujitsu could i failed to mention. Sorry. It fails i to set out that fujitsu could Insert Additionat to set out that fujitsu could insert additional Transaction Data outside of Transaction Corrections doesnt it . , , and of Transaction Corrections doesnt it . And that of Transaction Corrections doesnt it . And that that i it . Yes, it does. And that that didnt require it . Yes, it does. And that that didnt require the it . Yes, it does. And that that didnt require the approval i it . Yes, it does. And that that didnt require the approval orl didnt require the approval or knowledge of the Sub Postmaster. It doesnt knowledge of the Sub Postmaster. It doesnt say knowledge of the Sub Postmaster. It doesnt say that either, does it . No, it doesnt say that either, does it . No, it doesnt. It doesnt say that either, does it . No, it doesnt. Doesnt say that either, does it . No, it doesnt. It failed to inform second site no, it doesnt. It failed to inform second site that no, it doesnt. It failed to inform second site that the no, it doesnt. It failed to inform second site that the post no, it doesnt. It failed to inform second site that the Post Office L Second Site that the post office coutd second site that the post office could not second site that the post office could not address the extent of any use of could not address the extent of any use of Remote Access in legacy horizon. Use of Remote Access in legacy horizon, which had been used for ten years, horizon, which had been used for ten years, because a detailed examination of archive data was needed examination of archive data was needed and that would be costly and impractical. It doesnt say that, does impractical. It doesnt say that, does it . Impractical. It doesnt say that, does it . No, it doesnt. Can you see why the does it . No, it doesnt. Can you see why the two does it . No, it doesnt. Can you see why the two decided not to include those why the two decided not to include those pieces of information . | those pieces of information . I dont know. It those pieces of information . I dont know it has those pieces of information . I dont know it has a those pieces of information . I dont know. It has a more those pieces of information . I dont know. It has a more detailed those pieces of information . I dont know. It has a more detailed note l know. It has a more detailed note will follow. I dont know what further work and he expected to be done on this . Just reading what we havejust gone through, done on this . Just reading what we have just gone through, even though James Davidson didnt mention Balancing Transaction by name, that is what i took from reading this. At the time, i wouldnt have known about a Balancing Transaction, i have learned about that subsequently, and a tutor been put into this. I think i have forward this on as that is our position at the moment, exciting Something Else to follow, but i dont know what. The moment, exciting Something Else to follow, but i dont know what. Do to follow, but i dont know what. Do ou to follow, but i dont know what. Do you agree that the answer that has been you agree that the answer that has been drafted by mr parsons, by comparison to the information provided comparison to the information provided by fujitsu, is materially incomplete . Provided by fuitsu, is materially incomplete . Provided by fujitsu, is materially incomplete . Yes. Can we move on, lease . Can we start with page two, please . We are can we start with page two, please . We are in can we start with page two, please . We are in october 2014 now. If we ust we are in october 2014 now. If we just took we are in october 2014 now. If we just took at we are in october 2014 now. If we just look at the foot of page one to et just look at the foot of page one to get the just look at the foot of page one to get the context. An e mail from jessica get the context. An e mail from Jessica Parker to a wide ranging peopte. Jessica parker to a wide ranging people, including you. It is about one of people, including you. It is about one of their people, including you. It is about one of their cases that has been referred one of their cases that has been referred to one of their cases that has been referred to mediation, yes . Yes. Second site referred to mediation, yes . Yes. Second site have referred to mediation, yes . Yes. Second site have released i referred to mediation, yes . Yes. Second site have released a i referred to mediation, yes . 193 second site have released a revised version Second Site Have Released A Revised Version Of