Through central london. Hello, im lucy grey, welcome to verified live. Britains National Crime agency is questioning three people on suspicion of immigration offences, afterfive migrants died while trying to cross the channel to reach the uk yesterday. The dead included a seven year old girl. Two of the three people arrested are from sudan, the other is south sudanese. They are aged between 19 and 22. Craig turner, the Deputy Director of investigations at the National Crime agency, gave this statement about the arrests. I can confirm that three men have been arrested on suspicion of facilitating illegal immigration and entering the uk illegally. The men, to Sudanese Nationals, aged 22 and 19, and a south Sudanese National aged 22, were detained last night and this morning by the National Crime agency and our partners in Immigration Enforcement and will be questioned by investigators at a Police Station in kent. Additionally, another 55 people, also believed to be on that boat which arrived in the uk yesterday have also been identified. They have now been through their initial interviews with further interviews likely to take place over the coming days. French Police Continue investigating the circumstances that led to the deaths. The nca is closely supporting that investigation alongside kent police, Immigration Enforcement and also border force. This tragic incident once again demonstrates the threat to life posed by these crossings, and brings into focus why it is so important to target these criminal gangs involved in organising them. The nca with partners and partnering with french counterparts will obviously collect evidence, identify those responsible for this event and bring them to justice. Thank you. Lets speak to our reporter victoria bourne, who is at the National Crime agency. Just talk us through What You Know about these arrests. About these arrests. Yes, ust to reca , about these arrests. Yes, ust to recap. The about these arrests. Yes, ust to recap, the nationalfi about these arrests. Yes, ust to recap, the National Crimeh about these arrests. Yes, just to | recap, the National Crime agency says three men have been detained, two of those are from sudan, aged 22 and 19, and the third is from south sudan, and he is aged 22. They were detained in raids last night and in the early hours of this morning. And they are now being questioned at Police Stations in kent. Investigators are trying to identify the people who remained on the boat which eventually made it to dover. They say they have identified 55 people and we know that the investigation is being led by french authorities who are still looking into the exact circumstances i saw what happened on that vessel which seemed to be so overcrowded. Just cive us seemed to be so overcrowded. Just give us the seemed to be so overcrowded. Just give us the wider context of this because of course it comes after the government rwanda bill passed. Thats right. This happened as the Flagship Bill of rishi sunak passed after months of wrangling. This bill would see Asylum Seekers sent to rwanda, which is in South Central africa, to have claims process. It designates rwanda as a safe country, however that has seen lots of predictors criticism by the little opposition and human right groups. Ministers argue this plan would deter people from trying to cross the English Channel which is such a powerless journey to reach the uk, however the latest Home Office Figures show that it is not necessarily acting as a deterrent, as more people have made that journey over the same period at the start of this year than last year. Rishi sunak has said about these deaths that they serve as a reminder as to why it is just so important to tackle people smuggling gangs. Thanks very much. The uk and germany have pledged to support ukraine for as long as it takes, after talks in berlin on toughening europes defence. The british Prime Minister rishi sunak and the german chancellor olaf scholz have agreed a new Defence Initiative to combat the threat from russia. The announcement came as President Biden promised to send ukraine more arms and equipment within a week, after the Us Senate Approved a £61 billion aid package. President zelensky has reiterated the importance of the fast delivery of military assistance, saying every leader who does not waste time is a life saver. Chancellor scholz underlined the scale of the threat posed by moscow. Translation rushs aggression against ukraine has marked a watershed moment, i have repeatedly stated that and that of course also means that we need to take note of the fact that the russian War Of Aggression has changed and has put at risk european architecture, so in europe and in the world, we need to make a dash make it clear that borders must not be shifted by the use of force and for us in europe that means we need to strengthen the european pillar of nato also and especially when it comes to sufficient potential of deterrence. Because our european capability is to deter and defend, must always remain credible. Europe is divided over how to respond to the russian war in ukraine, but mr sunak praised Germanys Europe is divided over how to respond to the russian war in ukraine, but mr sunak praised germanys shift in defence policy. At this dangerous moment, the bond between at this dangerous moment, the bond between our two nations are stronger than ever between our two nations are stronger than ever and between our two nations are stronger than everand we between our two nations are stronger than ever and we meet as a war rages on our than ever and we meet as a war rages on our continent and new threats are rising on our continent and new threats are rising around on our continent and new threats are rising around the world. I know that i rising around the world. I know that iwant rising around the world. I know that iwant to rising around the world. I know that i want to congratulate you on your leadership i want to congratulate you on your leadership in recognising this and taking leadership in recognising this and taking the historic decision to increase taking the historic decision to increase the Defence Spending and we stand here increase the Defence Spending and we stand here today together as the leading stand here today together as the leading defence spenders in europe, unshakeable nato allies, and the two largest unshakeable nato allies, and the two Largest Military supporters of ukraine Largest Military supporters of ukraine in europe. And together, we will continue to provide unwavering support will continue to provide unwavering sunpori for will continue to provide unwavering support for our ukrainian friends, as you support for our ukrainian friends, as you said. Support for our ukrainian friends, as you said, for as long as it takes lets speak to our berlin correspondent, jessica parker. They were warm and friendly but there are some differences, if you want to talk about them and we will talk about all they agreed after that. ,. ,. ,. , 4 talk about all they agreed after that. ,. , , that. Yes, i mean, look, broadbrush, in terms of that. Yes, i mean, look, broadbrush, in terms of the that. Yes, i mean, look, broadbrush, in terms of the war that. Yes, i mean, look, broadbrush, in terms of the war in that. Yes, i mean, look, broadbrush, in terms of the war in ukraine that. Yes, i mean, look, broadbrush, in terms of the war in ukraine for in terms of the war in ukraine for example, the uk and germany are essentially on the same page, they are both sending weapons, lots of them, the biggest donors in europe, to kyiv to try and help them with that effort after the russian full scale invasion but there are differences. First of all these men are actually from pretty different political backgrounds. Olaf scholz is a social, rishi sunak a conservative. But they do have a bit of a rapport and they do go back some way because they did know each other when they were both finance ministers. On this issue of defence, there are stations bubbling underneath the surface. One of them for example that came up in the Press Conference frustrations. Olaf scholz is refusing to send long range Cruise Missiles to ukraine, something the uk would like germany to do. And yesterday you had rishi sunak announcing that if he remains as Prime Minister, he will push towards ramping up Defence Spending to 2. 5 of National Income by 2030. Immediately the question in serbia, what is germany going to do . Actually, germany has onlyjust reached 2 for the First Time Since the 1990s. The end of the cold war. As you saw in the Press Conference, a lot of efforts to keep things very diplomatic. I think they do genuinely seem to have some sort of fairly warm relationship and get on, thatis fairly warm relationship and get on, that is certainly what the officials tell me. ,. ,. ,. , tell me. There are also some questions tell me. There are also some questions about tell me. There are also some questions about donald tell me. There are also some i questions about donald trump, tell me. There are also some questions about donald trump, with an eye to the election in the us this year and his attitude to nato. And all of schultz struggling that off, saying american president s have always talked about this sort of thing. Focus through what was said on that. ,. ,. , , thing. Focus through what was said on that. ,. , ,. , on that. There is obviously a concern on that. There is obviously a concern that on that. There is obviously a concern that they on that. There is obviously a concern that they dont on that. There is obviously a concern that they dont necessarily publicly voice on events like this, that if donald trump were to be elected again to the white house, given the things he has said in the past this could undermine the nato Military Alliance and the idea of mutual defence. That is the concern. When asked about it in public as you say leaders, and i have asked this before, they tend to just say, the nato Military Alliance is very long standing and lots of us president s come and go but this has been a long standing relationship and we have faith that relationship will continue, but officials i have spoken to are also clear that behind the scenes conversations are going on and they did kind of address it in that Press Conference about what europe leads to do to strengthen what is called a european pillar of nato, so strengthening european defence, strengthening the Industrial Base and spending more, Industrial Base and spending more, in order and this is something that french president Emanuel Macron has been talking about right long time, if somehow us support was not there in the same way in the future, could european position to defend itself as well as continue to support ukraine . ~ as well as continue to support ukraine . ,. , as well as continue to support ukraine . , i. ,. As well as continue to support ukraine . ,. , ukraine . Thank you very much for that. For more analysis were joined now by the director of the institute of International Affairs in rome, nathalie tocci. Thank you forjoining us. Picking up on that, the question is, how Battle Ready Is Europe in general . We have rishi sunak today saying it is at the most dangerous points as the cold war and we need to be war ready. How abel rees europe to cope . Well, we are not battle ready at all. In a sense i think the paradox of this moment is we have been, our european continent, has been at war for over two years. And the realisation that this is happening has only really dawned kind of now, in some countries more than others obviously, but it is only really happening now. Fora obviously, but it is only really happening now. For a long time, after the 24th Of February of two years ago, there was an assumption that somehow this war would end in a couple of years and it would end in a sort of fudge and our Defence Industry. Often it is talked about, putting the Defence Industry on a war footing and rush of a seated from day one, many days before day one, and europeans are only beginning to talk about it now. And this is i think what makes this moment so dangerous because on the one hand we are not ready, on the other, you have war, which is raging on and not going in a positive direction and then of course, there is the additional question of what happens with donald trump. It is the coming together of those three things. Not being prepared, the realisation of a war not going as planned and the spectre of donald trump returning, which is not only to do with how we see going to. As he going to put out of nato . But is he going to put out of nato . But is he going to throw ukraine under the bus and if he does, does this mean. The answer to that is widely, yes. What does that mean in terms of irresponsibility a responsibly that europeans will have to take in order to sustain a war thatis to take in order to sustain a war that is not have a sending site. The costs keep that is not have a sending site. The costs keep going up, billions every year, but the issue for ukraine as personnel. The issues they are having, mobilising enough people in generalfor this war. And i suppose the question may arise if this does go on for many years about whether personnel would have to be sent as well as just weapons. This personnel would have to be sent as well asjust weapons. Well as just weapons. This is indeed well as just weapons. This is indeed. French well as just weapons. This is indeed. French president | well as just weapons. This is indeed. French president macron was the first one to put this question on the table. I dont think you necessarily put it on the table because of an intention to send troops to ukraine. I think the intention really was saying maybe there is some value in strategic ambiguity. Maybe it makes sense actually not hotel europe tell them what you are not able to do. Maybe it is a smart move. So far, what we have been very clear about is what we were going to do, thinking and hoping that this would have a ds greater effect, the truth of the matter it has simply escalated the war even further. At the moment, there is at least some consideration as to whether at the very least it is appropriate to say it or not say it and maintain a certain ambiguity over it but then as you say, if indeed things were to go in a very negative direction, and the minute in which we realise Ukraine Security is integral to european security, the question of troops will come online. I dont think it is a question of today or tomorrow, but it is at the moment. 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We understand this incident happened at Ysgol Dyffryn aman, a secondary school, about 11100 pupils, late morning before the lunch break. The police say that three people were injured and needed treatment and one person has been arrested and they are not looking for anyone in connection with the incident. The school has recently put out a statement saying that everything has been contained. A governor of the school says that they use their Lockdown Protocols for children so they were not able to leave the classroom. The police were called, two Air Ambulances were called as well. One has since left and flown to the University Of Wales in cardiff, suggesting at least one of t