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Transcripts For BBCNEWS The 20240704



as the bridge collapsed. the un high commissioner for human rights has told the bbc that israel is significantly to blame for the appalling humanitarian situation in gaza, where famine is looming. we will get reaction tonight from the chief executive of the children's charity unicef. a record amount of raw sewage was spilt into our rivers and sea last year. is it safe to swim in our waters? we will speak to one of the teams investigating the spills. a bbc investigation unearths previously unseen footage of the troubles. the film, which was part of an american documentary recorded in 1972 shows martin mcguinness helping prepare a car bomb we'll hear why it disappeared as soon as it was made. the dive teams in baltimore are still searching six missing people who were on the key bridge when it collapsed into the water. it is now a recovery operation with all of them presumed dead. the focus is shifting to the investigation. a team from the national transportation safety board has boarded the ship today to recover the data recorder. there is still no timeline for channel reopening but that of course is the priority. it has now emerged that the same vessel was held at a port in chile last year because of another propulsion issue. the american pilots association said that according to their crew on board the ship blacked outjust minutes before the crash. a "total blackout" they said of engine and electrical power on the ship. they are checking whether fuel contamination was a problem. the audio of the first responder dispatch radio calls as the key bridge collapsed has now been released. in the audio officers are discussing halting traffic and alerting the workers on the bridge when a call comes in reporting the bridge has fallen down. take a listen. any one of you guys on the south side, one of you guys on the north side hold all traffic on the key bridge. there's a ship approaching and just lost their steering. so until you get under control, we've got to stop all traffic. well, i'm in route to the south side. i'm holding traffic now. i was dragging, but we stopped prior to the bridge, so i'll have _ all of the traffic stop. is there a worker on the bridge right now? online video. yeah. stop traffic on their site right now. yeah. if we could stop traffic, just make sure no one was on the bridge right now. i'm not sure where there's a crew out there, you might want to notify whoever the foreman is, see if we can get them off the bridge temporarily. ten four, once the other unit gets here. all right. up on the bridge, i have all our traffic stop at this time. once you get here, i'll go grab the workers on the key bridge and then... stop me out of this mess. the whole bridge just fell down. sta rt. start... whoever. everybody. the whole bridge just collapsed. is the wreck? that's correct. do we know if traffic stopped? i can't get to the other side of the bridge is down. we're going to have to get somebody on the other side and the county msp to get up here and stop traffic coming northbound on the key bridge. c13 i'm holding alli traffic northbound. let me show you some of the live pictures coming in from baltimore right now. you listen to that audio, and it was a remarkablejob from you listen to that audio, and it was a remarkable job from the first responders, because aside from the vehicles that were part of the recovery crew, all the cars were stopped and you can hear how quickly they worked. remember, it was pretty dark. they wouldn't have a full impression of how quickly that ship was moving. it's certainly on the north and south sides of the bridge, they were able to slow the traffic such that there were no more drivers that went in towards it, and that really is a tribute to everybody involved in that operation. joining me now is kyle mcavoy. he is a marine safety expert who specialises in watercraft safety inspections and the investigation of marine incidents. thank you for being with us on the programme. what do you think the ntsb will be looking for when they get on the scene? what sort of things will begin this investigation? things will begin this investiuation? . ~' ., things will begin this investiuation? . ~ ., ., investigation? thank you for having me. investigation? thank you for having me- really. — investigation? thank you for having me. really, when _ investigation? thank you for having me. really, when these _ me. really, when these investigations begin, they are having to gather all the physical evidence they can and then examine many different aspects of it and then look at how all of that fits into a pattern or sequence or a chain of events or reconstruction. so to answer your question, they are going to be looking at everything they feel as professional investigators may have had an influence on what led to this terrible tragedy. the influence on what led to this terrible tragedy. influence on what led to this terrible traced . , . , ., terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will _ terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will be _ terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will be on _ terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will be on the _ terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will be on the data - obviously will be on the data recorders. what is a data recorder of a ship? what sort of information does it hold? is it like the black box that we would talk about in the realms of air crashing? is a a similar thing? realms of air crashing? is a a similarthing? it realms of air crashing? is a a similar thing?— similar thing? it is a similar thin. similar thing? it is a similar thing- it's — similar thing? it is a similar thing. it's called _ similar thing? it is a similar thing. it's called a - similar thing? it is a similar thing. it's called a voyage l similar thing? it is a similar i thing. it's called a voyage data recorder, and it was incorporated into international maritime regulations back in the early 2000 is, regulations back in the early 2000 �*s, 2002-2003, i regulations back in the early 2000 �*s, 2002—2003, i believe. the idea was simply to capture as much as possible. so there will be audio of the captures the conversations going on the bridge, hopefully, it's linked into some of the the engines, so it helps piece together the sequence what was happening through the time. that led to the collision. so, the initial reports are that there was a catastrophic failure of propulsion, the engine stopped, in marine incidents that you've investigated, have you come across that before? i investigated, have you come across that before?— that before? i have investigated ower that before? i have investigated power failures, _ that before? i have investigated power failures, yes. _ that before? i have investigated power failures, yes. it _ that before? i have investigated power failures, yes. it does - that before? i have investigated | power failures, yes. it does occur from time to time, but the investigators would have to hone in on us as to why that occurred if thatis on us as to why that occurred if that is in fact what occurred and how that sequence played out i think the last i saw the tsp had 20 folks on board, us coast guard, investigators will also be involved as well many of the local municipalities and authorities. i'm sure. representatives of the vessel and its ownership will also be involved. , , ., involved. they said they are looking at a fuel contamination. _ involved. they said they are looking at a fuel contamination. could - involved. they said they are looking at a fuel contamination. could thatl at a fuel contamination. could that be at the root of it and will they be at the root of it and will they be looking at the history of the vessel? because a set of top of the programme but there is some reporting that this ship was kept in docked in chile for a similar sort of issue. �* ., ., ., ., ., of issue. i'm going to leave that to the investigators. _ of issue. i'm going to leave that to the investigators. they _ of issue. i'm going to leave that to the investigators. they are - of issue. i'm going to leave that to the investigators. they are going l of issue. i'm going to leave that to | the investigators. they are going to have to look at those histories and see how all of that may or may have not influence this particular casualty. in not influence this particular casual . , ., not influence this particular casualty-— not influence this particular casual . , ., casualty. in terms of the fuel contamination, _ casualty. in terms of the fuel contamination, can _ casualty. in terms of the fuel contamination, can you - casualty. in terms of the fuel l contamination, can you explain casualty. in terms of the fuel - contamination, can you explain to us how that would happen, what would be the problem with dirty fuel? 50 as the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades _ the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades can — the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades can vary _ the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades can vary and _ the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades can vary and then - fuel grades can vary and then through environmental aspects to improve fuel and the aftereffects of post—combustion, the level, the degree, the fuel can have significant differences and then engineers have to adjust their engines to appropriately handle that for efficient combustion. we engines to appropriately handle that for efficient combustion.— for efficient combustion. we had a conversation _ for efficient combustion. we had a conversation on _ for efficient combustion. we had a conversation on the _ for efficient combustion. we had a conversation on the programme i for efficient combustion. we had a i conversation on the programme last night and one of the experts we had on was slightly incredulous that there weren't any dolphins around there weren't any dolphins around the peers of this bridge given its strategic importance to baltimore. 0ur strategic importance to baltimore. our other bridges in america defended in a way that might stop a ship colliding with it? is there anything that could prevent a ship of that size from bringing the bridge down? it’s of that size from bringing the bridge down?— of that size from bringing the bride down? �*, ., , bridge down? it's a complex system once ou bridge down? it's a complex system once you have _ bridge down? it's a complex system once you have vessels _ bridge down? it's a complex system once you have vessels transiting - bridge down? it's a complex system once you have vessels transiting in i once you have vessels transiting in navigable waters underneath bridges, you know, the united states, europe, it is a common occurrence is a lot of different systems that are used and a lot of it depends on the specific waterway, the density of the traffic, the type of traffic thatis the traffic, the type of traffic that is going to be transiting under a bridge. a lot of variable there all of that will be looked at by the investigatory folks.— investigatory folks. thank you for cominu investigatory folks. thank you for coming on _ investigatory folks. thank you for coming on the — investigatory folks. thank you for coming on the programme - investigatory folks. thank you for i coming on the programme tonight. thank you for talking to me. despite the lack of any solid information in the immediate hours after the collision — and maybe even because of that — there were a number of verified accounts on x, formerly twitter, which began circulating conspiracy theories. some said the accident was linked to terrorism, tojewish people, to diversity and inclusion programmes. the conspiracy theorist alex jones wrote the collision was deliberate" and that "ww3 had already started." the washington post's technology reporter taylor lorenz, who studies social media patterns, says many of these accounts are "engagement farming." they are posting extremist comments purely to generate attention, which can then be monetised by, for instance, taking a cut of the advertising that appears alongside those comments. the post with the heaviest engagement can receive thousands of dollars. taylor lorenz is with us. what sort of conspiracy theories did you come across yesterday? conspiracies run the gambit. you mention a few of them. some of them blamed the state of israel, some of them are saying this is a cyber attack from china. it's a deep state court made it attack right before the election. i mean, if you can think of it, there is a conspiracy theory about it. a lot of people think that the bridge was actually built to fail. it's kind of disturbing the things that people are blaming this for and then you have things that aren't necessarily conspiracies, they are speculative ridiculousness. diversity equity and conclusion practices and the shipping company for this type of accident. it'sjust not... shipping company for this type of accident. it's just not. . ._ accident. it's 'ust not... probably we have had— accident. it'sjust not... probably we have had that _ accident. it'sjust not... probably we have had that for _ accident. it'sjust not... probably we have had that for many, - accident. it'sjust not... probably| we have had that for many, many years in the absence of newspeople will create it. i think what i took from your report as there are people actually concocting these conspiracy theories knowing that it is nonsense they can profit from it?— they can profit from it? that's exactly what's _ they can profit from it? that's exactly what's happening. - they can profit from it? that's. exactly what's happening. they they can profit from it? that's - exactly what's happening. they will use a picture of a business looking man or a generic avatar on that looks like a news account and they will brand themselves as experts often very offensive things solely in an effort to generate engagement because the way 11 months has structured twitter is the more engagement you generate, the more money you make. so people are posting intentionally false and intentionally offensive and intentionally offensive and intentionally misleading information intentionally misleading information in an effort to trigger people into engaging so that they can make thousands of dollars off of this tragedy. thousands of dollars off of this tra . ed . ., , ~ thousands of dollars off of this traced. ., , . ., tragedy. that is wild. we are encouraging _ tragedy. that is wild. we are encouraging profiteering - tragedy. that is wild. we are | encouraging profiteering from tragedy. that is wild. we are - encouraging profiteering from lies. that's what we are saying here. are the social media companies doing every thing to stop that? is twitter doing anything to stop that? {either doing anything to stop that? other social media _ doing anything to stop that? other social media companies, _ doing anything to stop that? other social media companies, yes. - social media companies, yes. twitter, no. they have basically poured fuel on this flame. it is certainly a problem for elon musk and a sense that people would be rewarded with followers, but there were guardrails in place. what elon musk and it is not only did he give anybody who wants the ability to get anybody who wants the ability to get a blue checkmark and therefore appear higher in the feed and appear more trustworthy to users, now he's also given them a way to make money. so previously before elon musk �*s ownership you could not monetise this way. elon musk aware that allows thing people to monetise us we would lead to inflammatory extreme content because that is what generates the most engagement making money and yet he has ploughed ahead because ultimately it's not a priority for him. i don't know. he has not taken action against this type of stuff. in fact he has repeatedly incentivised it through these types of product roll—outs. what do the advertisers say about that? i know they have had an issue with it before with their ads appearing alongside some of this stuff, but clearly they are, the money on this site does not driving the conspiracy theories on the lies that are causing such problems. the major advertisers left shortly after elon took over, brand safety concerns. when you look at the landscape of twitter advertising right now, a lot of the ads themselves are advertising skinny products crypto schemes, there are scams in themselves and those people pushing those dubious products, drop shipping companies, they don't care. our brands like coca—cola, walmart, 0ur brands like coca—cola, walmart, of course they don't want to appear next to the start. if you are a drop shipper and your goal is to get people to click, you don't care if you are next to the most inflammatory stuff. in fact you probably want to be next to the most inflammatory stuff because it's the most high likelihood that inflammatory stuff because it's the most high likelihoo— most high likelihood that it will be clicked on. thank _ most high likelihood that it will be clicked on. thank you _ most high likelihood that it will be clicked on. thank you very - most high likelihood that it will be clicked on. thank you very much. | most high likelihood that it will be i clicked on. thank you very much. we reall do clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live — clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live in _ clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live in a _ clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live in a post _ clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live in a post truth - really do live in a post truth world, don't we? is there any reaction to breaking news that has any basis in fact these days on social media? that is the big question, i suppose. that's the liars dividend. thank you very much indeed for that. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. derbyshire county council has admitted there were missed opportunities to save the life of a ten—month—old boy who was murdered ljy ten—month—old boy who was murdered by his parents in 2020. a review by derbyshire safeguarding children partnership has highlighted significant shortcomings in findlay bowdoin's care. they found not enough was done to keep him safe. holiday—makers are were not to be caught out by the passport ten year rule which can ruin eu travel plans. uk travel used to be able to carry up uk travel used to be able to carry up to nine months from an old passport over onto a new one, but post—brexit eu countries will not accept passports issued more than ten years ago. the number of migrants who've arrived in the uk so far in 2024 after crossing the channel has reached a new record high for the first three months of the calendar year according to provisional home—office figures. 338 people arrived in seven boats yesterday, the total for the year to 4644. you're live with bbc news. the un resolution adopted by the security council calls for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. and yet since they abstained in the vote on monday the us adminisration has done its best to walk back that decision. senior officials in the white house have been telling the press corps the resolution is not legally binding, and there has been no change in their policy. there has been no discernable difference in gaza. the fighting continues, more than 32,000 palestinians have been killed, according to gaza's health authorities. the aid going in is down to a trickle. unwra, the un agency for palestinian refugees, says israel has banned it from making aid deliveries in northern gaza. and unless things change dramatically, then the numbers dying from hunger and disease might soon surpass the body count from the bombs and bullets. the bbc�*sjeremy bowen has been speaking to the uns high commissionerfor human rights who says isrsael is significantly to blame. you suggested yourself a few days ago that israel might be using starvation as a weapon of war. do you have more evidence of that? the reason why — you have more evidence of that? the reason why we said this is because of the _ reason why we said this is because of the report that was issued last monday— of the report that was issued last monday by the independent panel of experts _ monday by the independent panel of experts that identified famine as a very serious risk with starvation starting — very serious risk with starvation starting from now until mid may if there _ starting from now until mid may if there isn't— starting from now until mid may if there isn't a massive humanitarian assistance — there isn't a massive humanitarian assistance coming into gaza. so that brings— assistance coming into gaza. so that brings up— assistance coming into gaza. so that brings up the question, without the restrictions— brings up the question, without the restrictions that we currently see whether — restrictions that we currently see whether there is plausible claim to be whether there is plausible claim to he made _ whether there is plausible claim to be made that starvation is or may be used as— be made that starvation is or may be used as a _ be made that starvation is or may be used as a method of war. and be made that starvation is or may be used as a method of war.— used as a method of war. and that is a breach of— used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the _ used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the laws _ used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the laws of— used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the laws of war. - used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the laws of war. it's - a breach of the laws of war. it's effectively a war crime, right, if proven? if effectively a war crime, right, if roven? , ., , ., ., proven? if proven, it is a war crime. indeed. _ proven? if proven, it is a war crime. indeed. he _ proven? if proven, it is a war crime. indeed. he looking. proven? if proven, it is a war crime. indeed. he looking in| proven? if proven, it is a war- crime. indeed. he looking in general at international _ crime. indeed. he looking in general at international humanitarian - crime. indeed. he looking in general at international humanitarian law - crime. indeed. he looking in general at international humanitarian law in l at international humanitarian law in the course of this war, is there any sense in which it's been respected? are all sides breaking the rules? i mean, how would you characterise it right now? it mean, how would you characterise it riaht now? , mean, how would you characterise it riahtnow? , ,~ ., right now? it is absolutely clear what happened _ right now? it is absolutely clear what happened on _ right now? it is absolutely clear what happened on the - right now? it is absolutely clear what happened on the seventhl right now? it is absolutely clear. what happened on the seventh and right now? it is absolutely clear- what happened on the seventh and the 8th of— what happened on the seventh and the 8th of october by hamas and some of the other— 8th of october by hamas and some of the other armed groups it's unconscionable. these are flagrant violations — unconscionable. these are flagrant violations of international humanitarian law, you cannot willfully— humanitarian law, you cannot willfully kill civilians and mass. you cannot take hostages, you cannot commit _ you cannot take hostages, you cannot commit sexual violence and rape. you cannot _ commit sexual violence and rape. you cannot send _ commit sexual violence and rape. you cannot send projectiles in to israel~ — cannot send projectiles in to israel. all of this is very clear and _ israel. all of this is very clear and flagrant violations of international military and law and international military and law and international human rights law. at the same — international human rights law. at the same time, the brutality of the attack— the same time, the brutality of the attack by— the same time, the brutality of the attack by israel and the method of warfare, _ attack by israel and the method of warfare, including the... i mean come _ warfare, including the... i mean come if— warfare, including the... i mean come ifyou— warfare, including the... i mean come if you look at the facts, if you have — come if you look at the facts, if you have 32,000 people having been killed within a couple of months out of whom _ killed within a couple of months out of whom 70% are women and children, it begs— of whom 70% are women and children, it begs the _ of whom 70% are women and children, it begs the question of the proportionality of the response. these _ proportionality of the response. these are — proportionality of the response. these are very serious issues coupled — these are very serious issues coupled with forcible relocation, coupled — coupled with forcible relocation, coupled with forcible relocation, coupled with forcible relocation, coupled with forcible displacement, coupled _ coupled with forcible displacement, coupled with forcible displacement, coupled with the lack of humanitarian assistance coming in. so all— humanitarian assistance coming in. so all of— humanitarian assistance coming in. so all of this combined questions the respect to international humanitarian law on both sides. you are sa in: humanitarian law on both sides. gm. are saying questions can you say there's no doubt about hamas. are there's no doubt about hamas. are there any doubts about israel? you alwa s there any doubts about israel? you always have _ there any doubts about israel? you always have to _ there any doubts about israel? you always have to prove intent. but as i always have to prove intent. but as i said. _ always have to prove intent. but as i said, collective punishment, the collective — i said, collective punishment, the collective punishment that was the siege _ collective punishment that was the siege is— collective punishment that was the siege is indeed amounting to a war crime _ siege is indeed amounting to a war crime and — siege is indeed amounting to a war crime and it— siege is indeed amounting to a war crime and it needs to be dealt with as such _ crime and it needs to be dealt with as such. , , �* ., crime and it needs to be dealt with as such. , ,, .,~ as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. as such. jeremy bowen speaking there- we _ as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. we will _ as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. we will speak _ as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. we will speak to - as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. we will speak to jeremy l as such. jeremy bowen speaking| there. we will speak to jeremy in there. we will speak tojeremy in there. we will speak tojeremy in the next hour of the programme, but let me bring in unicef�*s executive director. she was there in november, thank you very much for being with us on the programme. some fairly stiff words there, talking about war crimes. do use the evidence of that from your standpoint?— crimes. do use the evidence of that from your standpoint? well, what we see is i from your standpoint? well, what we see is i think — from your standpoint? well, what we see is i think a _ from your standpoint? well, what we see is i think a very _ from your standpoint? well, what we see is i think a very clear _ see is i think a very clear situation where the international community is failing the children of gaza. that's our focus community is failing the children of gaza. that's ourfocus has humanitarian operators. a little bit different dream it, we see on the ground is that it is very difficult that the children desperately need, and that's why i think you saw last week the determination that we are getting very close to famine, possibly by may in the north of gaza and it is just possibly by may in the north of gaza and it isjust an incredibly concerning situation for the children who live there. when you sa ou children who live there. when you say you are _ children who live there. when you say you are having _ children who live there. when you say you are having difficulties - say you are having difficulties getting food aid in, is that because of the fighting and the bombardment of the fighting and the bombardment of the fighting and the bombardment of the areas close to the crossings? or obstacles being put in your weight by the israeli forces? i would say it's a combination of things. the fighting makes things very challenging, both for the people who live there and also for the humanitarian workers. it's very difficult for them as well. it's a very difficult situation. there are these bureaucratic challenges, almost like death by bureaucratic challenge, and what i mean by that is we can make decisions to say that we are going to get as much aid and as we can we're going to move in as quickly as we can come of the whole focus of this is to help the population or we can make choices that say it's going to be very difficult to get aid in. we're going to limit the number of checks come it's going to take so long to do the inspections. just as an example, we tried forfour months inspections. just as an example, we tried for four months to get plastic pipes into gaza. there's no reason that we can understand why that would be the case, right? sometimes we will send in a truck that has some medical supplies in it and it will get inspected and turned away because it has some small scissors that are used for medical purposes. those sorts of things are just bureaucratic choices, but they are bureaucratic choices, but they are bureaucratic choices, but they are bureaucratic choices that have really very secure —— severe consequences for the people who live there because it means that it is just incredibly difficult for us to get the stuff in that people desperately need, water, warm clothes, diapers, food, for children and especially for babies, we need something to bring an called therapeutic feeding, it's called it's a paste that we give to children who are severely malnourished and it helps them quite dramatically, but we have to be able to get it in, and i think what we are saying is we only have two at this point, two entry points into gaza we could use more. more inspectors so we can move these things more quickly. things should be reconsidered and the focus on the whole effort should be to say, look, we are having a war, a conflict, whatever you want to college, but there are innocent people, innocent children who have nothing to do with us, who didn't start this war, who are not able to stop it.— are not able to stop it. there are man , are not able to stop it. there are many. many _ are not able to stop it. there are many, many children _ are not able to stop it. there are many, many children who - are not able to stop it. there are many, many children who have l are not able to stop it. there are - many, many children who have nothing at all, and not even family. we had at all, and not even family. we had a nurse on from msf who was working in gaza recently who said that they are scrolling on their arm, wounded child, no surviving family. how many children fit into that category, do you think? children fit into that category, do ou think? ., ~ ., ., �* ~ ., you think? you know, we don't know for sure. you think? you know, we don't know for sure- what _ you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we _ you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we know _ you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we know as _ you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we know as it - you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we know as it is - for sure. what we know as it is reportedly about 13,400 children who have been killed. thousands more injured. thousands of children without one or both parents in the situation that you are describing. and i think one thing we also know is that every child who lives in gazais is that every child who lives in gaza is going to have psychosocial problems. probably life from what they have seen. the impact on children is profound. i think it is incumbent upon all leaders in the world to say what... it is incumbent on the security _ world to say what... it is incumbent on the security council— world to say what... it is incumbent on the security council to _ world to say what... it is incumbent on the security council to stand - on the security council to stand behind its resolution. the resolution is there. it needs teeth, doesn't it? ~ ., resolution is there. it needs teeth, doesn't it?— doesn't it? well, i mean, look, security council _ doesn't it? well, i mean, look, security council resolutions - doesn't it? well, i mean, look, security council resolutions are | security council resolutions are important for sure. but at the end of the day, it is notjust the people who sit on secured councils, it's everyone in the world who has to say, you know, we all need to do better here, we need to put pressure where we can. we need to encourage every party who is involved in this to do better and to say that children and innocent people should not be suffering in this conflict. very good to talk to you. thank you very much for coming on the programme. we will get, as i say, more reaction to the interview with the bbc and withjeremy bowen in the next hour. so do stay with us for that. let mejust next hour. so do stay with us for that. let me just show you some live pictures from baltimore if you are justjoining us, because investigation now well under way, these are some of the pictures looking back toward the bridge. you see the ship they are just on the opposite side, the ntsb, the investigators have been on board today to recover the data recorders, the dive team's still underneath the bridge working some very difficult conditions, freezing walkers, murky waters amid all the medal that is they are trying to find six people who we are now presumed to be dead. plenty more to come. do stay with us. hello there. it's going to stay very unsettled as we head into the easter weekend. and today was certainly very mixed weather. we had some sunshine and some brief warmth of 12 degrees in eastern england before we saw that spell of rain. but it was in scotland where the rain hung around for much longer and that really kept the temperatures much lower as well. it's so very unsettled because we've got low pressure sitting close to us and this one is going to strengthen the winds into thursday. we've got this weather front here bringing rain back up from france, in across england and wales. there may even be a bit of sleet and snow over exmoor and into the cotswolds, more particularly over the hills of wales. further north, there'll be some showers for a while, but it may well turn drier and it will also get colder with a frost likely in some parts of scotland. let's head to the south of england, though, where it's going to get windy through the day on thursday, particularly so along these coastal areas, gales are likely large waves, maybe even some travel disruption as well. and together with those strengthening winds, it's going to get wetter from the south west. this is the overnight rain, though, moving into northern england. some heavier rain again, unfortunately for northern ireland. it'll turn more showery, i think in scotland, so not as wet as today was, but we will see these showers or longer spells of rain developing more widely across england and wales as the winds pick up and that will prevent the temperatures rising too high. although nine degrees will be better in the central belt than it was today. still got low pressure around as we head into good friday. the wind is not going to be quite as strong across southern areas by this stage, but we're still in this sort of showery air stream. there will be some sunshine at times and that will give us a little bit of warmth, sufficient to trigger more showers, mind you. and these are going to be turning heavy and thundery, particularly across the western side of the uk. we've got a top temperature of 13 or 14 degrees on good friday. now the really warm air, if you are travelling further afield into europe, it's going to be across eastern europe and the eastern mediterranean could make the mid 20s. for western areas of europe, we've got this cooler air and this is where it's going to be a wetter as well. with the heavier rain more likely across iberia heading into the south of france, we've got the low pressure to the west of the uk and so it's not going to be a wash—out over the easter weekend. will feel warm when the sun is out, but the showers are never too far away, particularly in the west. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. a massive increase in the discharge of raw sewage into england's rivers and seas is adding to public anger over the conduct of water companies. sport and for a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre, here's mark edwards. 8 time winners lyon are through to the semi finals of the women's champions league with a convincing 4—1 victory over the french champions confidently dispatching the portuguese side 6—2 on aggregate. delphine cascarino with a double on the night in lyon. chelsea meanwhile are in action against ajax at stamford bridge, leading 3—0 from the first leg in amsterdam it's currently 0—0 in london. manchester city defender and former england captain

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as the bridge collapsed. the un high commissioner for human rights has told the bbc that israel is significantly to blame for the appalling humanitarian situation in gaza, where famine is looming. we will get reaction tonight from the chief executive of the children's charity unicef. a record amount of raw sewage was spilt into our rivers and sea last year. is it safe to swim in our waters? we will speak to one of the teams investigating the spills. a bbc investigation unearths previously unseen footage of the troubles. the film, which was part of an american documentary recorded in 1972 shows martin mcguinness helping prepare a car bomb we'll hear why it disappeared as soon as it was made. the dive teams in baltimore are still searching six missing people who were on the key bridge when it collapsed into the water. it is now a recovery operation with all of them presumed dead. the focus is shifting to the investigation. a team from the national transportation safety board has boarded the ship today to recover the data recorder. there is still no timeline for channel reopening but that of course is the priority. it has now emerged that the same vessel was held at a port in chile last year because of another propulsion issue. the american pilots association said that according to their crew on board the ship blacked outjust minutes before the crash. a "total blackout" they said of engine and electrical power on the ship. they are checking whether fuel contamination was a problem. the audio of the first responder dispatch radio calls as the key bridge collapsed has now been released. in the audio officers are discussing halting traffic and alerting the workers on the bridge when a call comes in reporting the bridge has fallen down. take a listen. any one of you guys on the south side, one of you guys on the north side hold all traffic on the key bridge. there's a ship approaching and just lost their steering. so until you get under control, we've got to stop all traffic. well, i'm in route to the south side. i'm holding traffic now. i was dragging, but we stopped prior to the bridge, so i'll have _ all of the traffic stop. is there a worker on the bridge right now? online video. yeah. stop traffic on their site right now. yeah. if we could stop traffic, just make sure no one was on the bridge right now. i'm not sure where there's a crew out there, you might want to notify whoever the foreman is, see if we can get them off the bridge temporarily. ten four, once the other unit gets here. all right. up on the bridge, i have all our traffic stop at this time. once you get here, i'll go grab the workers on the key bridge and then... stop me out of this mess. the whole bridge just fell down. sta rt. start... whoever. everybody. the whole bridge just collapsed. is the wreck? that's correct. do we know if traffic stopped? i can't get to the other side of the bridge is down. we're going to have to get somebody on the other side and the county msp to get up here and stop traffic coming northbound on the key bridge. c13 i'm holding alli traffic northbound. let me show you some of the live pictures coming in from baltimore right now. you listen to that audio, and it was a remarkablejob from you listen to that audio, and it was a remarkable job from the first responders, because aside from the vehicles that were part of the recovery crew, all the cars were stopped and you can hear how quickly they worked. remember, it was pretty dark. they wouldn't have a full impression of how quickly that ship was moving. it's certainly on the north and south sides of the bridge, they were able to slow the traffic such that there were no more drivers that went in towards it, and that really is a tribute to everybody involved in that operation. joining me now is kyle mcavoy. he is a marine safety expert who specialises in watercraft safety inspections and the investigation of marine incidents. thank you for being with us on the programme. what do you think the ntsb will be looking for when they get on the scene? what sort of things will begin this investigation? things will begin this investiuation? . ~' ., things will begin this investiuation? . ~ ., ., investigation? thank you for having me. investigation? thank you for having me- really. — investigation? thank you for having me. really, when _ investigation? thank you for having me. really, when these _ me. really, when these investigations begin, they are having to gather all the physical evidence they can and then examine many different aspects of it and then look at how all of that fits into a pattern or sequence or a chain of events or reconstruction. so to answer your question, they are going to be looking at everything they feel as professional investigators may have had an influence on what led to this terrible tragedy. the influence on what led to this terrible tragedy. influence on what led to this terrible traced . , . , ., terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will _ terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will be _ terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will be on _ terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will be on the _ terrible tragedy. the starting point obviously will be on the data - obviously will be on the data recorders. what is a data recorder of a ship? what sort of information does it hold? is it like the black box that we would talk about in the realms of air crashing? is a a similar thing? realms of air crashing? is a a similarthing? it realms of air crashing? is a a similar thing?— similar thing? it is a similar thin. similar thing? it is a similar thing- it's — similar thing? it is a similar thing. it's called _ similar thing? it is a similar thing. it's called a - similar thing? it is a similar thing. it's called a voyage l similar thing? it is a similar i thing. it's called a voyage data recorder, and it was incorporated into international maritime regulations back in the early 2000 is, regulations back in the early 2000 �*s, 2002-2003, i regulations back in the early 2000 �*s, 2002—2003, i believe. the idea was simply to capture as much as possible. so there will be audio of the captures the conversations going on the bridge, hopefully, it's linked into some of the the engines, so it helps piece together the sequence what was happening through the time. that led to the collision. so, the initial reports are that there was a catastrophic failure of propulsion, the engine stopped, in marine incidents that you've investigated, have you come across that before? i investigated, have you come across that before?— that before? i have investigated ower that before? i have investigated power failures, _ that before? i have investigated power failures, yes. _ that before? i have investigated power failures, yes. it _ that before? i have investigated power failures, yes. it does - that before? i have investigated | power failures, yes. it does occur from time to time, but the investigators would have to hone in on us as to why that occurred if thatis on us as to why that occurred if that is in fact what occurred and how that sequence played out i think the last i saw the tsp had 20 folks on board, us coast guard, investigators will also be involved as well many of the local municipalities and authorities. i'm sure. representatives of the vessel and its ownership will also be involved. , , ., involved. they said they are looking at a fuel contamination. _ involved. they said they are looking at a fuel contamination. could - involved. they said they are looking at a fuel contamination. could thatl at a fuel contamination. could that be at the root of it and will they be at the root of it and will they be looking at the history of the vessel? because a set of top of the programme but there is some reporting that this ship was kept in docked in chile for a similar sort of issue. �* ., ., ., ., ., of issue. i'm going to leave that to the investigators. _ of issue. i'm going to leave that to the investigators. they _ of issue. i'm going to leave that to the investigators. they are - of issue. i'm going to leave that to the investigators. they are going l of issue. i'm going to leave that to | the investigators. they are going to have to look at those histories and see how all of that may or may have not influence this particular casualty. in not influence this particular casual . , ., not influence this particular casualty-— not influence this particular casual . , ., casualty. in terms of the fuel contamination, _ casualty. in terms of the fuel contamination, can _ casualty. in terms of the fuel contamination, can you - casualty. in terms of the fuel l contamination, can you explain casualty. in terms of the fuel - contamination, can you explain to us how that would happen, what would be the problem with dirty fuel? 50 as the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades _ the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades can — the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades can vary _ the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades can vary and _ the problem with dirty fuel? so as fuel grades can vary and then - fuel grades can vary and then through environmental aspects to improve fuel and the aftereffects of post—combustion, the level, the degree, the fuel can have significant differences and then engineers have to adjust their engines to appropriately handle that for efficient combustion. we engines to appropriately handle that for efficient combustion.— for efficient combustion. we had a conversation _ for efficient combustion. we had a conversation on _ for efficient combustion. we had a conversation on the _ for efficient combustion. we had a conversation on the programme i for efficient combustion. we had a i conversation on the programme last night and one of the experts we had on was slightly incredulous that there weren't any dolphins around there weren't any dolphins around the peers of this bridge given its strategic importance to baltimore. 0ur strategic importance to baltimore. our other bridges in america defended in a way that might stop a ship colliding with it? is there anything that could prevent a ship of that size from bringing the bridge down? it’s of that size from bringing the bridge down?— of that size from bringing the bride down? �*, ., , bridge down? it's a complex system once ou bridge down? it's a complex system once you have _ bridge down? it's a complex system once you have vessels _ bridge down? it's a complex system once you have vessels transiting - bridge down? it's a complex system once you have vessels transiting in i once you have vessels transiting in navigable waters underneath bridges, you know, the united states, europe, it is a common occurrence is a lot of different systems that are used and a lot of it depends on the specific waterway, the density of the traffic, the type of traffic thatis the traffic, the type of traffic that is going to be transiting under a bridge. a lot of variable there all of that will be looked at by the investigatory folks.— investigatory folks. thank you for cominu investigatory folks. thank you for coming on _ investigatory folks. thank you for coming on the — investigatory folks. thank you for coming on the programme - investigatory folks. thank you for i coming on the programme tonight. thank you for talking to me. despite the lack of any solid information in the immediate hours after the collision — and maybe even because of that — there were a number of verified accounts on x, formerly twitter, which began circulating conspiracy theories. some said the accident was linked to terrorism, tojewish people, to diversity and inclusion programmes. the conspiracy theorist alex jones wrote the collision was deliberate" and that "ww3 had already started." the washington post's technology reporter taylor lorenz, who studies social media patterns, says many of these accounts are "engagement farming." they are posting extremist comments purely to generate attention, which can then be monetised by, for instance, taking a cut of the advertising that appears alongside those comments. the post with the heaviest engagement can receive thousands of dollars. taylor lorenz is with us. what sort of conspiracy theories did you come across yesterday? conspiracies run the gambit. you mention a few of them. some of them blamed the state of israel, some of them are saying this is a cyber attack from china. it's a deep state court made it attack right before the election. i mean, if you can think of it, there is a conspiracy theory about it. a lot of people think that the bridge was actually built to fail. it's kind of disturbing the things that people are blaming this for and then you have things that aren't necessarily conspiracies, they are speculative ridiculousness. diversity equity and conclusion practices and the shipping company for this type of accident. it'sjust not... shipping company for this type of accident. it's just not. . ._ accident. it's 'ust not... probably we have had— accident. it'sjust not... probably we have had that _ accident. it'sjust not... probably we have had that for _ accident. it'sjust not... probably we have had that for many, - accident. it'sjust not... probably| we have had that for many, many years in the absence of newspeople will create it. i think what i took from your report as there are people actually concocting these conspiracy theories knowing that it is nonsense they can profit from it?— they can profit from it? that's exactly what's _ they can profit from it? that's exactly what's happening. - they can profit from it? that's. exactly what's happening. they they can profit from it? that's - exactly what's happening. they will use a picture of a business looking man or a generic avatar on that looks like a news account and they will brand themselves as experts often very offensive things solely in an effort to generate engagement because the way 11 months has structured twitter is the more engagement you generate, the more money you make. so people are posting intentionally false and intentionally offensive and intentionally offensive and intentionally misleading information intentionally misleading information in an effort to trigger people into engaging so that they can make thousands of dollars off of this tragedy. thousands of dollars off of this tra . ed . ., , ~ thousands of dollars off of this traced. ., , . ., tragedy. that is wild. we are encouraging _ tragedy. that is wild. we are encouraging profiteering - tragedy. that is wild. we are | encouraging profiteering from tragedy. that is wild. we are - encouraging profiteering from lies. that's what we are saying here. are the social media companies doing every thing to stop that? is twitter doing anything to stop that? {either doing anything to stop that? other social media _ doing anything to stop that? other social media companies, _ doing anything to stop that? other social media companies, yes. - social media companies, yes. twitter, no. they have basically poured fuel on this flame. it is certainly a problem for elon musk and a sense that people would be rewarded with followers, but there were guardrails in place. what elon musk and it is not only did he give anybody who wants the ability to get anybody who wants the ability to get a blue checkmark and therefore appear higher in the feed and appear more trustworthy to users, now he's also given them a way to make money. so previously before elon musk �*s ownership you could not monetise this way. elon musk aware that allows thing people to monetise us we would lead to inflammatory extreme content because that is what generates the most engagement making money and yet he has ploughed ahead because ultimately it's not a priority for him. i don't know. he has not taken action against this type of stuff. in fact he has repeatedly incentivised it through these types of product roll—outs. what do the advertisers say about that? i know they have had an issue with it before with their ads appearing alongside some of this stuff, but clearly they are, the money on this site does not driving the conspiracy theories on the lies that are causing such problems. the major advertisers left shortly after elon took over, brand safety concerns. when you look at the landscape of twitter advertising right now, a lot of the ads themselves are advertising skinny products crypto schemes, there are scams in themselves and those people pushing those dubious products, drop shipping companies, they don't care. our brands like coca—cola, walmart, 0ur brands like coca—cola, walmart, of course they don't want to appear next to the start. if you are a drop shipper and your goal is to get people to click, you don't care if you are next to the most inflammatory stuff. in fact you probably want to be next to the most inflammatory stuff because it's the most high likelihood that inflammatory stuff because it's the most high likelihoo— most high likelihood that it will be clicked on. thank _ most high likelihood that it will be clicked on. thank you _ most high likelihood that it will be clicked on. thank you very - most high likelihood that it will be clicked on. thank you very much. | most high likelihood that it will be i clicked on. thank you very much. we reall do clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live — clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live in _ clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live in a _ clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live in a post _ clicked on. thank you very much. we really do live in a post truth - really do live in a post truth world, don't we? is there any reaction to breaking news that has any basis in fact these days on social media? that is the big question, i suppose. that's the liars dividend. thank you very much indeed for that. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. derbyshire county council has admitted there were missed opportunities to save the life of a ten—month—old boy who was murdered ljy ten—month—old boy who was murdered by his parents in 2020. a review by derbyshire safeguarding children partnership has highlighted significant shortcomings in findlay bowdoin's care. they found not enough was done to keep him safe. holiday—makers are were not to be caught out by the passport ten year rule which can ruin eu travel plans. uk travel used to be able to carry up uk travel used to be able to carry up to nine months from an old passport over onto a new one, but post—brexit eu countries will not accept passports issued more than ten years ago. the number of migrants who've arrived in the uk so far in 2024 after crossing the channel has reached a new record high for the first three months of the calendar year according to provisional home—office figures. 338 people arrived in seven boats yesterday, the total for the year to 4644. you're live with bbc news. the un resolution adopted by the security council calls for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. and yet since they abstained in the vote on monday the us adminisration has done its best to walk back that decision. senior officials in the white house have been telling the press corps the resolution is not legally binding, and there has been no change in their policy. there has been no discernable difference in gaza. the fighting continues, more than 32,000 palestinians have been killed, according to gaza's health authorities. the aid going in is down to a trickle. unwra, the un agency for palestinian refugees, says israel has banned it from making aid deliveries in northern gaza. and unless things change dramatically, then the numbers dying from hunger and disease might soon surpass the body count from the bombs and bullets. the bbc�*sjeremy bowen has been speaking to the uns high commissionerfor human rights who says isrsael is significantly to blame. you suggested yourself a few days ago that israel might be using starvation as a weapon of war. do you have more evidence of that? the reason why — you have more evidence of that? the reason why we said this is because of the _ reason why we said this is because of the report that was issued last monday— of the report that was issued last monday by the independent panel of experts _ monday by the independent panel of experts that identified famine as a very serious risk with starvation starting — very serious risk with starvation starting from now until mid may if there _ starting from now until mid may if there isn't— starting from now until mid may if there isn't a massive humanitarian assistance — there isn't a massive humanitarian assistance coming into gaza. so that brings— assistance coming into gaza. so that brings up— assistance coming into gaza. so that brings up the question, without the restrictions— brings up the question, without the restrictions that we currently see whether — restrictions that we currently see whether there is plausible claim to be whether there is plausible claim to he made _ whether there is plausible claim to be made that starvation is or may be used as— be made that starvation is or may be used as a _ be made that starvation is or may be used as a method of war. and be made that starvation is or may be used as a method of war.— used as a method of war. and that is a breach of— used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the _ used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the laws _ used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the laws of— used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the laws of war. - used as a method of war. and that is a breach of the laws of war. it's - a breach of the laws of war. it's effectively a war crime, right, if proven? if effectively a war crime, right, if roven? , ., , ., ., proven? if proven, it is a war crime. indeed. _ proven? if proven, it is a war crime. indeed. he _ proven? if proven, it is a war crime. indeed. he looking. proven? if proven, it is a war crime. indeed. he looking in| proven? if proven, it is a war- crime. indeed. he looking in general at international _ crime. indeed. he looking in general at international humanitarian - crime. indeed. he looking in general at international humanitarian law - crime. indeed. he looking in general at international humanitarian law in l at international humanitarian law in the course of this war, is there any sense in which it's been respected? are all sides breaking the rules? i mean, how would you characterise it right now? it mean, how would you characterise it riaht now? , mean, how would you characterise it riahtnow? , ,~ ., right now? it is absolutely clear what happened _ right now? it is absolutely clear what happened on _ right now? it is absolutely clear what happened on the - right now? it is absolutely clear what happened on the seventhl right now? it is absolutely clear. what happened on the seventh and right now? it is absolutely clear- what happened on the seventh and the 8th of— what happened on the seventh and the 8th of october by hamas and some of the other— 8th of october by hamas and some of the other armed groups it's unconscionable. these are flagrant violations — unconscionable. these are flagrant violations of international humanitarian law, you cannot willfully— humanitarian law, you cannot willfully kill civilians and mass. you cannot take hostages, you cannot commit _ you cannot take hostages, you cannot commit sexual violence and rape. you cannot _ commit sexual violence and rape. you cannot send _ commit sexual violence and rape. you cannot send projectiles in to israel~ — cannot send projectiles in to israel. all of this is very clear and _ israel. all of this is very clear and flagrant violations of international military and law and international military and law and international human rights law. at the same — international human rights law. at the same time, the brutality of the attack— the same time, the brutality of the attack by— the same time, the brutality of the attack by israel and the method of warfare, _ attack by israel and the method of warfare, including the... i mean come _ warfare, including the... i mean come if— warfare, including the... i mean come ifyou— warfare, including the... i mean come if you look at the facts, if you have — come if you look at the facts, if you have 32,000 people having been killed within a couple of months out of whom _ killed within a couple of months out of whom 70% are women and children, it begs— of whom 70% are women and children, it begs the _ of whom 70% are women and children, it begs the question of the proportionality of the response. these _ proportionality of the response. these are — proportionality of the response. these are very serious issues coupled — these are very serious issues coupled with forcible relocation, coupled — coupled with forcible relocation, coupled with forcible relocation, coupled with forcible relocation, coupled with forcible displacement, coupled _ coupled with forcible displacement, coupled with forcible displacement, coupled with the lack of humanitarian assistance coming in. so all— humanitarian assistance coming in. so all of— humanitarian assistance coming in. so all of this combined questions the respect to international humanitarian law on both sides. you are sa in: humanitarian law on both sides. gm. are saying questions can you say there's no doubt about hamas. are there's no doubt about hamas. are there any doubts about israel? you alwa s there any doubts about israel? you always have _ there any doubts about israel? you always have to _ there any doubts about israel? you always have to prove intent. but as i always have to prove intent. but as i said. _ always have to prove intent. but as i said, collective punishment, the collective — i said, collective punishment, the collective punishment that was the siege _ collective punishment that was the siege is— collective punishment that was the siege is indeed amounting to a war crime _ siege is indeed amounting to a war crime and — siege is indeed amounting to a war crime and it— siege is indeed amounting to a war crime and it needs to be dealt with as such _ crime and it needs to be dealt with as such. , , �* ., crime and it needs to be dealt with as such. , ,, .,~ as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. as such. jeremy bowen speaking there- we _ as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. we will _ as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. we will speak _ as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. we will speak to - as such. jeremy bowen speaking there. we will speak to jeremy l as such. jeremy bowen speaking| there. we will speak to jeremy in there. we will speak tojeremy in there. we will speak tojeremy in the next hour of the programme, but let me bring in unicef�*s executive director. she was there in november, thank you very much for being with us on the programme. some fairly stiff words there, talking about war crimes. do use the evidence of that from your standpoint?— crimes. do use the evidence of that from your standpoint? well, what we see is i from your standpoint? well, what we see is i think — from your standpoint? well, what we see is i think a _ from your standpoint? well, what we see is i think a very _ from your standpoint? well, what we see is i think a very clear _ see is i think a very clear situation where the international community is failing the children of gaza. that's our focus community is failing the children of gaza. that's ourfocus has humanitarian operators. a little bit different dream it, we see on the ground is that it is very difficult that the children desperately need, and that's why i think you saw last week the determination that we are getting very close to famine, possibly by may in the north of gaza and it is just possibly by may in the north of gaza and it isjust an incredibly concerning situation for the children who live there. when you sa ou children who live there. when you say you are _ children who live there. when you say you are having _ children who live there. when you say you are having difficulties - say you are having difficulties getting food aid in, is that because of the fighting and the bombardment of the fighting and the bombardment of the fighting and the bombardment of the areas close to the crossings? or obstacles being put in your weight by the israeli forces? i would say it's a combination of things. the fighting makes things very challenging, both for the people who live there and also for the humanitarian workers. it's very difficult for them as well. it's a very difficult situation. there are these bureaucratic challenges, almost like death by bureaucratic challenge, and what i mean by that is we can make decisions to say that we are going to get as much aid and as we can we're going to move in as quickly as we can come of the whole focus of this is to help the population or we can make choices that say it's going to be very difficult to get aid in. we're going to limit the number of checks come it's going to take so long to do the inspections. just as an example, we tried forfour months inspections. just as an example, we tried for four months to get plastic pipes into gaza. there's no reason that we can understand why that would be the case, right? sometimes we will send in a truck that has some medical supplies in it and it will get inspected and turned away because it has some small scissors that are used for medical purposes. those sorts of things are just bureaucratic choices, but they are bureaucratic choices, but they are bureaucratic choices, but they are bureaucratic choices that have really very secure —— severe consequences for the people who live there because it means that it is just incredibly difficult for us to get the stuff in that people desperately need, water, warm clothes, diapers, food, for children and especially for babies, we need something to bring an called therapeutic feeding, it's called it's a paste that we give to children who are severely malnourished and it helps them quite dramatically, but we have to be able to get it in, and i think what we are saying is we only have two at this point, two entry points into gaza we could use more. more inspectors so we can move these things more quickly. things should be reconsidered and the focus on the whole effort should be to say, look, we are having a war, a conflict, whatever you want to college, but there are innocent people, innocent children who have nothing to do with us, who didn't start this war, who are not able to stop it.— are not able to stop it. there are man , are not able to stop it. there are many. many _ are not able to stop it. there are many, many children _ are not able to stop it. there are many, many children who - are not able to stop it. there are many, many children who have l are not able to stop it. there are - many, many children who have nothing at all, and not even family. we had at all, and not even family. we had a nurse on from msf who was working in gaza recently who said that they are scrolling on their arm, wounded child, no surviving family. how many children fit into that category, do you think? children fit into that category, do ou think? ., ~ ., ., �* ~ ., you think? you know, we don't know for sure. you think? you know, we don't know for sure- what _ you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we _ you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we know _ you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we know as _ you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we know as it - you think? you know, we don't know for sure. what we know as it is - for sure. what we know as it is reportedly about 13,400 children who have been killed. thousands more injured. thousands of children without one or both parents in the situation that you are describing. and i think one thing we also know is that every child who lives in gazais is that every child who lives in gaza is going to have psychosocial problems. probably life from what they have seen. the impact on children is profound. i think it is incumbent upon all leaders in the world to say what... it is incumbent on the security _ world to say what... it is incumbent on the security council— world to say what... it is incumbent on the security council to _ world to say what... it is incumbent on the security council to stand - on the security council to stand behind its resolution. the resolution is there. it needs teeth, doesn't it? ~ ., resolution is there. it needs teeth, doesn't it?— doesn't it? well, i mean, look, security council _ doesn't it? well, i mean, look, security council resolutions - doesn't it? well, i mean, look, security council resolutions are | security council resolutions are important for sure. but at the end of the day, it is notjust the people who sit on secured councils, it's everyone in the world who has to say, you know, we all need to do better here, we need to put pressure where we can. we need to encourage every party who is involved in this to do better and to say that children and innocent people should not be suffering in this conflict. very good to talk to you. thank you very much for coming on the programme. we will get, as i say, more reaction to the interview with the bbc and withjeremy bowen in the next hour. so do stay with us for that. let mejust next hour. so do stay with us for that. let me just show you some live pictures from baltimore if you are justjoining us, because investigation now well under way, these are some of the pictures looking back toward the bridge. you see the ship they are just on the opposite side, the ntsb, the investigators have been on board today to recover the data recorders, the dive team's still underneath the bridge working some very difficult conditions, freezing walkers, murky waters amid all the medal that is they are trying to find six people who we are now presumed to be dead. plenty more to come. do stay with us. hello there. it's going to stay very unsettled as we head into the easter weekend. and today was certainly very mixed weather. we had some sunshine and some brief warmth of 12 degrees in eastern england before we saw that spell of rain. but it was in scotland where the rain hung around for much longer and that really kept the temperatures much lower as well. it's so very unsettled because we've got low pressure sitting close to us and this one is going to strengthen the winds into thursday. we've got this weather front here bringing rain back up from france, in across england and wales. there may even be a bit of sleet and snow over exmoor and into the cotswolds, more particularly over the hills of wales. further north, there'll be some showers for a while, but it may well turn drier and it will also get colder with a frost likely in some parts of scotland. let's head to the south of england, though, where it's going to get windy through the day on thursday, particularly so along these coastal areas, gales are likely large waves, maybe even some travel disruption as well. and together with those strengthening winds, it's going to get wetter from the south west. this is the overnight rain, though, moving into northern england. some heavier rain again, unfortunately for northern ireland. it'll turn more showery, i think in scotland, so not as wet as today was, but we will see these showers or longer spells of rain developing more widely across england and wales as the winds pick up and that will prevent the temperatures rising too high. although nine degrees will be better in the central belt than it was today. still got low pressure around as we head into good friday. the wind is not going to be quite as strong across southern areas by this stage, but we're still in this sort of showery air stream. there will be some sunshine at times and that will give us a little bit of warmth, sufficient to trigger more showers, mind you. and these are going to be turning heavy and thundery, particularly across the western side of the uk. we've got a top temperature of 13 or 14 degrees on good friday. now the really warm air, if you are travelling further afield into europe, it's going to be across eastern europe and the eastern mediterranean could make the mid 20s. for western areas of europe, we've got this cooler air and this is where it's going to be a wetter as well. with the heavier rain more likely across iberia heading into the south of france, we've got the low pressure to the west of the uk and so it's not going to be a wash—out over the easter weekend. will feel warm when the sun is out, but the showers are never too far away, particularly in the west. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. a massive increase in the discharge of raw sewage into england's rivers and seas is adding to public anger over the conduct of water companies. sport and for a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre, here's mark edwards. 8 time winners lyon are through to the semi finals of the women's champions league with a convincing 4—1 victory over the french champions confidently dispatching the portuguese side 6—2 on aggregate. delphine cascarino with a double on the night in lyon. chelsea meanwhile are in action against ajax at stamford bridge, leading 3—0 from the first leg in amsterdam it's currently 0—0 in london. manchester city defender and former england captain

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