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let's bring you the incredible interview. a special interview with one of the real life heroes with an incredible survival story. most of us have been gripped by the recent netflix film, society of the snow, about the doomed 571 flight. on 13th october 1972, a uruguayan air force plane, commissioned for civilian flight, crashed into the andes. among the a0 passengers were a first division rugby team, accompanied by family and friends. many of the passengers either died in the crash or in the days after. only 16 of the original passengers survived and ended up spending more than two months stranded on the mountain. the group famously survived by eating the flesh of their dead companions. convinced that they would all die otherwise, two of the young men left the crash site in search of help. the two men were spotted by mule riders high in the chilean foothills and eventually this lead to the rescue of 1a survivors who were still at the site. this incredle story has been written into books and films have been made about it making the andes crash one of the most well known stories of survival. roberto canessa was a 19—year—old medical student a 19—year—old medical student at the time as he boarded that doomed flight with his team. having survived extremely harrowing conditions, roberto went on to become a renowned paediatric cardiologist, a motivational speaker and a politician in uruguay. he now lives in montevideo and he took some time out to talk to me about his experiences. well, it was the circumstances in which the ambitions were very low. our motto was perhaps tomorrow. and where there's life, there's hope. imagine how poor were our ambitions. but we knew that if we were alive, the world was going out and going on outside of the mountains. and some way we should get out of someone, come to rescue us. did you believe someone would come and rescue you? did you have that belief in your hearts? at the beginning, yes. we thought our plane crashed, our families will be desperate. they are going to come and search for us. but then when we heard the radio that there had been 33 plane crashes in the andes and had been no survivors, we realised that maybe the search was not going to be done as needed, especially after having so much people dead in the mountains. so we realised that maybe it was on us was from the altitude of being rescued to a more powerful altitude of getting out of that. one of the most obviously the most famous the most well known elements of this crash was the fact that you and you're your team—mates, people on the plane ended up having to do difficult things to survive, including eating the flesh of some of those deceased passengers. tell me how you all came to that decision. well, from outside for you is the most harrowing part. that's the good part about the film that you see that there are more adverse circumstances. and i was like a witness there. i can tell you what i thought. i thought protein and fat, lipids, we have carbohydrate through the cycle of krebs. i was a second year medical student and we knew the substrate was appropriate. so and i thought if i went off with the dead ones, i will be happy to contribute with my dead body to the survival of my friends. so it was quite simple and deep approach that we had to take there. and i knew that we didn't have much time. it's darwin's theory that the species that adapt more fast are the ones that survive and are adopting species. dr do you do you believe if you hadn't made that decision, you wouldn't have survived those ten weeks? i lost 30 kilograms. i mean, i was a skeleton. i was like from the concentration camps. we had all this. it's called cachexia is called the flowerpot in which your cheeks go in and their massive temporal muscles go out and you look like. like a flower pot. yeah. i mean, and of course, gustavo sabino told me if we don't go out now, we just won't be enough to get out of here. but very scientific. it was it's incredible how many things happen. ifeel like a guinea pig. it was like an experiment, an experiment of human behaviour. i don't think anyone can reallyjudge something like that unless they've been in that position, can they? oh, i respect. if someone said i wouldn't have done that, it's up to you. but i'm alive now and i'm very thankful to my friends. the story has been written into books in a netflix movie, how did you feel when you watch the movie? was a true to what happened? emotionally it was great but it was a sensitisation relation. if you showed what happened you would've run out of the cinema. it is a very miserable circumstance that we had. this is a historical thing like the titanic and has been written in many books, my friend in england has done an entire book called alive and this is another movie and there have been many movies. what i find is that people who are attached and through the different windows from books and films can go into what really happened. films can go into what really happened-— films can go into what really happened. films can go into what really ha ened, ., y., ., films can go into what really ha ened. ., i. ., ., happened. tell me what you do now ou are a happened. tell me what you do now you are a paediatric— you are a paediatric cardiologist and motivational speaker. when you go to speak to people and tell them about the story and ask you about it, what do you say, what do you do to motivate people? i tell them don't way to — to motivate people? i tell them don't way to a _ to motivate people? i tell them don't way to a plane _ to motivate people? i tell them don't way to a plane to - to motivate people? i tell them don't way to a plane to crash i to motivate people? i tell them don't way to a plane to crash to j don't way to a plane to crash to realise what you have and most people in the world have enough, if place to sleep, water to drink, food to eat, water to drink in the bed to sleep, it is up to you to get moving and continue asking for things and it may be difficult ideology from people from england have helped me a lot in london, professor has helped us in the hospital there and in many places so i have combined this ordeal with my cardiology and i told him about leadership and how to get around and they tell me about medicine. so it is a great mixture. for children it is incredible. i'm amazed when i was in spain and peru and children, and want to know and it is an incredible opportunity for them to know about the real stories instead of computers and fantasy. fix, instead of computers and fantasy. a survivor of the andes plane crash there. 1972 was the bloodiest year of the troubles in northern ireland, but amidst the conflict that year, american film—makers were quietly producing a documentary about the ira. it was hoped that the film would boost support for the ira in the us, but it was never released. more than 50 years later a new bbc investigation tells the story behind the project for the first time, as darragh mcintyre reports. the uncredited star of a strange lost film. this is 21—year—old ira leader martin mcguinness handling guns. before he died in 2017, he became one of the most important figures in northern ireland's peace process. thank you very much. but here he is in 1972, helping to make a car bomb that would wreck the centre of his hometown. as we dug into how and why this film was made, the story only became more mysterious — like how it disappeared for almost 50 years. look at the rust on that. but inside, this looks ok. all our operations are carried out from inside the bogside and creggan. the american crew was able to film alongside the ira, openly carrying out attacks — here, firing on british soldiers in londonderry. ira members who took part in the film hoped it would be a propaganda triumph. do you remember that day, tony? i do. sure. what actually happened was ten or 12 of our creggan volunteers had set up an ambush behind these houses. how did the camera crew behave? no matter where we went, they were there. these seasoned guerrillas who relied so much on secrecy, went before the cameras and, in effect, put their heads on the block. it will explode. the ira thought they were in control of the film, even threatening the crew to prevent potentially incriminating pictures from going astray. they said if any separate parts of the film were attempted to be taken separately to america that we would be all shot at the airport — we're going to kill you. thompson submachine gun. in fact, it's now clear that the ira left themselves exposed to intelligence agencies. cia, top secret, department of defence — top secret again. a bunch of teenagers in the bogside — mossad, the cia, m15. that's alljames bond kind of stuff. despite all the risks the ira took, the film was only ever seen by a handful of private audiences, which raises the question more than 50 years later — why was it ever made in the first place? darragh macintyre, bbc news. still to come on the world today — a boost for the musician they call the boss. bruce springsteen is set to be the first american ever to be awarded the uk's most coveted songwriting prize. and with the door really have been big enough for two and would it have floated, the police iconic prop used by roots in the satanic has been auctioned off for an incredible price. it's the highest honour at the ivor novello awards and one of the most coveted prizes in songwriting the fellowship of the academy. only 26 people have ever received the fellowship, including sir eltonjohn, sir paul mccartney and kate bush. the award recognises writing that has enriched the cultural fabric of the uk. and now, there's a new name on the list bruce springsteen, whose albums have sold millions of copies around the world. the boss, as he's known, is the first american musician to make the cut. let's speak to the chair of the ivors academy, tom gray. why have you chosen bruce springsteen?— why have you chosen bruce springsteen? why have you chosen bruce s-arinsteen? , , springsteen? the academy is the british associations _ springsteen? the academy is the british associations of _ springsteen? the academy is the | british associations of songwriters and composers so your peers recognising, it is the most important award any of us ever received and in particular the fellowship recognises excellent and impact in our art and crafts and music creation and this is our highest honour. the incalculable influence of bruce springsteen and his work is a poet of blue—collar america, someone to be all over her fear and someone very, very deserving of our fellowship. fear and someone very, very deserving of ourfellowship. haw deserving of our fellowship. how does he enrich _ deserving of our fellowship. how does he enrich the _ deserving of our fellowship. how does he enrich the uk's musical culture? i does he enrich the uk's musical culture? . , . ., , . culture? i was certainly influenced b him in culture? i was certainly influenced by him in so _ culture? i was certainly influenced by him in so many _ culture? i was certainly influenced by him in so many of _ culture? i was certainly influenced by him in so many of us _ culture? i was certainly influenced by him in so many of us were - culture? i was certainly influenced by him in so many of us were and| by him in so many of us were and spent so much of our time seeing his amazing shoes over the years. despite being our first amazing shoes over the years. despite being ourfirst ever international songwriter, we have had international composers in classical music who have been in our fellowship for many years. so we do occasionally make the decision someone is so important to the work that we do that we choose to recognise them. that is certainly what is happened with bruce. he is an entirely singular talent, we think. ~ ., an entirely singular talent, we think. ~ . , ., ., think. what is your favourite song b him? think. what is your favourite song by him? that's — think. what is your favourite song by him? that's hard. _ think. what is your favourite song by him? that's hard. i _ think. what is your favourite song by him? that's hard. i like - think. what is your favourite song by him? that's hard. i like to - think. what is your favourite song by him? that's hard. i like to ask| by him? that's hard. i like to ask hard questions. _ by him? that's hard. i like to ask hard questions. this _ by him? that's hard. i like to ask hard questions. this is _ by him? that's hard. i like to ask hard questions. this is the - by him? that's hard. i like to ask hard questions. this is the tough j hard questions. this is the tough one. my favourite _ hard questions. this is the tough one. my favourite album - hard questions. this is the tough one. my favourite album is - hard questions. this is the tough - one. my favourite album is nebraska. i love the poetic bleakness of that record and i love the muscular rock, the thunder road and things like that, but i love him when he is hauntingly spare. the lyrics are like... ., ._ hauntingly spare. the lyrics are like... ., ., , like... love the way to put it, hauntingly — like... love the way to put it, hauntingly spare. _ like... love the way to put it, hauntingly spare. you - like... love the way to put it, hauntingly spare. you have . like... love the way to put it, hauntingly spare. you have a | hauntingly spare. you have a ceremony in may. imilli hauntingly spare. you have a ceremony in may.— hauntingly spare. you have a ceremony in may. will he attend? bruce will come _ ceremony in may. will he attend? bruce will come to _ ceremony in may. will he attend? bruce will come to ivor _ ceremony in may. will he attend? bruce will come to ivor novello i ceremony in may. will he attend? bruce will come to ivor novello in | bruce will come to ivor novello in may on park lane it is an exciting time for us all and i'm thrilled he will be walking amongst us. greatness and walking amongst you, thank you very much tom for taking the time to us. great to talk to you. a sculpture of the late duke of edinburgh will be taken down by the city council in cambridgeshire. it's is the bronze artwork of prince philip known as the dawn was erected on its current site last year without any planning permission. it is not lord of the company behind it to take it down by august. here is our reporter of culture. is this the worst public sculpture you've ever seen? city planners in cambridge thought so. it went up, anyway. but now, the council say it must come down. it doesn't have planning permission and it's been assessed as being a really inappropriate form of public art at the time, and i completely agree. it's the wrong scale. it's too large. the materials are not right, the colours aren't right. and we've even had reports from parents that it frightens children who come past here. the statue is huge. it stands at 13—feet tall. it's supposed to represent prince philip in his academic gowns as chancellor of cambridge university, but not all the locals have warmed to it. i've always looked at it and thought, that is ugly. they could have done something much nicer. i don't know who did it. i don't know why they've done it. so you're not a fan? no, i actually thinki it's kind of hideous. i think it's perfectly nice. why knock it down? i don't mind it. i mean, i've seen much worse. the controversy around the sculpture — said to be worth £150,000 — is so great that no—one even knows who made it. it's been attributed to the uruguayan sculptor pablo atchugarry, but he's previously denied this and said it was an abuse to even suggest it was by him. the company responsible for it has not responded to a request for comment, but unless an appeal is made, it looks like the don's time on the streets of cambridge will come to an end by the autumn. noor nanji, bbc news, in cambridge. now how much would you pay for an old piece of floating wood? how about $718,750 ? well that is how much this piece has sold for. it was the prop from the 1997 film titanic staring leonardo di caprio and kate winslet. in the movie it is the panel part of a door frame that kept kate's character rose alive. ever since the movie it's prompted much debate about the actual size. was a big enough to fitjack? that is the question. the sale was made during an auction of props and costumes owned by restaurant and resort chain planet hollywood. so was it worth the price? i asked florida based titanic superfan, josh digangi. i mean, it's titanic. it's from titanic on vhs, and it's worth the world to me. who is that guy behind you wearing the wig? that's jack dawson. his hair looks a bit darker, didn't he have kind of blonde hair? he looks a bit... so, listen, even a few years, you know, you are a massive titanic fan. so just explain to me. was she right to keep him off that door? because that's the big debate. even know the director has said that he's had abuse about it. could jack have survived as well? i mean, yes, and he did because he swam away. and now he lives here with me, as you can see. that's jack dawson in the flesh, my man! oh, my goodness. jack dawson, you survived! that's amazing. moving swiftly on. a new mural by the street artist banksy in north london has now been covered up after it was vandalised. islington council say the plastic and boards had been put up by the building's owner. the artwork which gives a nearby tree the appearance of leaves was splattered in white paintjust a few days after going up. queen camilla has told a group of well—wishers that princess of wales, catherine, would be thrilled with some handmade posters they had made for her. hello. catherine will be thrilled. that's_ hello. catherine will be thrilled. that's so— hello. catherine will be thrilled. that's so good. there we are. the queen, who was visiting a farmers market in shrewsbury, had stopped to say hello to 10—year—old harriet waterson and her sister lois, aged six. they both handed over posters decorated with stars and hearts for catherine. on friday, the princess revealed she is in the early stages of treatment after a cancer diagnosis. it is of course easter this weekend and i wanted to show you some pictures of a local tradition in croatia. giant decorated eggs. artists take several days to paint each of these giant egg shaped pieces which pay tribute to the country's style of naive art. pieces which pay tribute to the country's style of naitive art. they measure up to two metres high. and they don'tjust stay in the city of koprivnica the farthest one has ended up is new york but they've also been displayed in budapest, warsaw, berlin, and vienna. absolutely gorgeous easter eggs for the easter weekend. the vast majority of the public think the nhs is not working in the uk. a survey which questioned people in england, scotland and wales last autumn, showed satisfaction with the nhs has dropped to a record low. our health editor, hugh pym, has the details. the british social attitudes survey is seen as the gold standard tracking public opinion on the nhs for more than a0 years. this chart shows satisfaction with nhs services. early on there wasn't data for every year, but you can see at some times the satisfaction rate was well above 50%. but that has fallen sharply in the last couple of years to just 24%. the survey methodology changed slightly during the pandemic, and you can see here the reasons given by people who were unhappy with the service. more than 70% saying it was long waits for gp and hospital appointments. next came those who said more staffing and money was required. some thought there was too much waste in the nhs. so what's the reality for patients? samuel is struggling with pain and mobility problems that were complications after two hip replacements. he needs follow up surgery and is frustrated at waiting with no news on when it might happen. i feel upset and angry. it's a whole mixture of emotions. there are days when you feel depressed, when you just feel worthless. it's just you just think, what's the point of getting out of bed? it really is a horrible feeling. long waits for patients and backlogs to clear for hospitals. there are no easy answers for the nhs. the experts behind the latest survey have called for more money and a radical rethink of how the service works. we need reform to ensure that the health service can treat the huge demand. we can look at how we digitise patient records, how we rebalance our system with more focus on prevention and early diagnosis. but ultimately, we will have to think about the resources that we give. but ultimately, we will have to think about the resources that we give the service to. health is a devolved issue, with different administrations run by different political parties in england, scotland and wales. ministers say there is more investment in improving services, but the survey team say this is a wake up call to political leaders ahead of the general election. earlier we talked about sewage being discharged into reverse. now we will take a _ discharged into reverse. now we will take a slightly different look at the topic. because the biggest overhaul to london's sewer system since victorian times is due to be completed this week. the �*super sewer�* has been built as part of efforts to clear up the river thames. jonah fisher has more. rot, grime and raw sewage. for centuries, the river thames served as both the capital's dustbin and toilet. but, thanks to one of britain's biggest construction projects, things are about to change for the better. the tunnel is under the tidal thames. andy mitchell is the chief executive of the thames tide way tunnel, or as it's better known, the super sewer. the super sewer has been designed and built to intercept the frequent spills of untreated sewage into the tidal thames. it's going to have a profound effect on the health of the river. snaking its way underneath the bends of the thames, the super sewer can hold 600 olympic—sized swimming pools of sewage and rain. it looks like it's getting dark up here. last year, i bicycled with andy along the 7m wide tunnel. here we are at the victoria interception point, which is this connection tunnel here. whoo! echoing. this sort of mega project doesn't come cheap. the super sewer has cost about £5 billion to build and that's going to be paid for by thames water customers through their bills and that's the reality for the rest of the uk as well. if we want to stop sewage spilling into our rivers and seas, water companies and the government have been very clear that it's all of us, who are going to have to pay for it. it smells absolutely gorgeous, really organicy, really humousy. the contents of the super sewer will be pumped to east london. beckton sewage works is the largest sewage works in europe. beckton can treat 27,000 litres of sewage a second, and that process starts with all the things you shouldn't flush down your toilet being filtered out. so about 30 tonnes is removed from beckton a day, which is enormous. that's equivalent of about two double—decker buses, or one and a half of these skips every single day. you have been watching the world today. stay with us. hello there. it's going to stay very unsettled as we head into the easter weekend. and today was certainly very mixed weather. we had some sunshine and some brief warmth of 12 degrees in eastern england before we saw that spell of rain. but it was in scotland where the rain hung around for much longer and that really kept the temperatures much lower as well. it's so very unsettled because we've got low pressure sitting close to us and this one is going to strengthen the winds into thursday. we've got this weather front here bringing rain back up from france, in across england and wales. there may even be a bit of sleet and snow over exmoor and into the cotswolds, more particularly over the hills of wales. further north, there'll be some showers for a while, but it may well turn drier and it will also get colder with a frost likely in some parts of scotland. let's head to the south of england, though, where it's going to get windy through the day on thursday, particularly so along these coastal areas, gales are likely large waves, maybe even some travel disruption as well. and together with those strengthening winds, it's going to get wetter from the south west. this is the overnight rain, though, moving into northern england. some heavier rain again, unfortunately for northern ireland. it'll turn more showery, i think in scotland, so not as wet as today was, but we will see these showers or longer spells of rain developing more widely across england and wales as the winds pick up and that will prevent the temperatures rising too high. although nine degrees will be better in the central belt than it was today. still got low pressure around as we head into good friday. the wind is not going to be quite as strong across southern areas by this stage, but we're still in this sort of showery air stream. there will be some sunshine at times and that will give us a little bit of warmth, sufficient to trigger more showers, mind you. and these are going to be turning heavy and thundery, particularly across the western side of the uk. we've got a top temperature of 13 or 1a degrees on good friday. now the really warm air, if you are travelling further afield into europe, it's going to be across eastern europe and the eastern mediterranean could make the mid 20s. for western areas of europe, we've got this cooler air and this is where it's going to be a wetter as well. with the heavier rain more likely across iberia heading into the south of france, we've got the low pressure to the west of the uk and so it's not going to be a wash—out over the easter weekend. will feel warm when the sun is out, but the showers are never too far away, particularly in the west. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. c13 dispatch, the whole bridge just fell down. start... start everybody, the whole bridge just collapsed. when that first made a call came in that the power had gone out and they lost the ability to steer the vessel, and immediately our first responders sprung into action. the coastguard announced - that they were effectively ending the rescue part of this operation. they said due to the amount of time that had passed and critically- because of the temperature - of the water, they were turning this into a recovery phase. we will play the audio that played as the bridge collapsed.

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