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seen it all before, destroyed buildings and shootings and explosions and they're always looking for someone to blame. our russia editor, steve rosenberg, has been to the scene of the attack. and a warning, you may find some of the details in his report, upsetting. it was hard to believe that only yesterday this was a concert hall. in what was left of crocus city, the full horror of what had happened became clear. the attackers had torched the building. a rock concert became an inferno. shooting but first, the gunmen had opened fire. to kill as many of the audience as possible. in one constant stream of bullets. russia says the four gunmen who did this have been arrested, and claims they planned to cross into ukraine. kyiv denies any connection to the attack. it's islamic state that's claimed responsibility. president putin promised vengeance. translation: all the perpetrators and organisers of this crime and those who ordered it will be justly and inevitably punished. whoever they are, whoever is guiding them, those terrorists, murderers, monsters face the same unenviable fate — retribution and oblivion. in moscow, there were long queues to donate blood for the many who'd been wounded in the attack and rushed to hospital. outside crocus city hall, a hint of the devastation inside. the first thing you notice here isn't the sight of the building — it's the smell. the air is thick with smoke because the concert hall was burning all night. and the next thing you notice is what's happening over there — people are bringing flowers, creating a makeshift shrine to the dead. margarita knows she's lucky. she was in the building when the shooting began and got out alive. translation: when i got home, i hugged my children, fell to my knees and said, "i can't begin to describe what happened there. they were shooting at us." i was hysterical. my husband could barely watch. the children were terrified. theyjust hugged me. but so many died here. there were so many victims of the deadliest attack in russia in 20 years. president putin has declared a national day of mourning. steve rosenberg, bbc news, moscow. a short while ago i spoke to colin clarke, director of research at the soufan group and author of the book after the caliphate: the islamic state and the future of the terrorist diaspora. i want to ask about the claims of responsibility here and how credible does that seem to you that the group could have been behind the attack? i think there's no doubt the islamic state rarely, if ever, issues false claims of responsibility. all the pieces fit here. in fact, i wrote an article for foreign policy last may, may 2023, which was called the islamic state's new target — russia. isis makes no bones about wanting to target the russians for what they see as vladimir putin's role in spilling muslim blood in various conflicts from chechnya to syria. i know you have also been studying islamic state terror groups extensively, you probably have been looking at a lot of this footage that's been coming out on social media. what stood out for you so far from what we have seen of the footage of the actual attack? these were trained militants. if i had to guess likely trained, you know, in afghanistan. but if you look at the way that they shoot, the way they move, the spacing between them, you know, tactics, techniques and procedures, have all the hallmarks of a classic islamic state attack. and so that combined with the claim of responsibility. and let's not take for granted the us warning here. the us doesn't make these, you know, claims lightly, right. these were the warnings for the russians to be on guard. the russians either dismissed it or weren't able to disrupt the plot before it was able to take place. is has several of these different global branches, doesn't it? what do we know about which branch might have done this? some us sources pointing to isis—k? yeah, the islamic state khorasan province in afghanistan, but also with probably some logistical support from local militants. there's a number ofjihadis from the caucasus who used to be an isis caucasus branch which was quite robust. there are a large number of radicalised central asian extremists in russia living there. there's some information that some of these individuals may have been in turkey and so, look, this is a global network. the group has suffered significant losses over the past several years. very much still a threat. yeah, i wanted to ask you about that because a lot of the world's attention obviously has been on the situation in gaza, the conflict in ukraine, is it possible potentially that the world has — has its eye elsewhere and that a group like islamic state might try to take advantage of that? without question. this is a group that's incredibly patient. they're opportunistic and i think, you know, if you look at the russian security services their band width is stretched, overstretched with the war in ukraine. you know, my concern is that western intelligence services that are focused — not only on ukraine but also on gaza have taken their eye off the islamic state. it's something i have been writing about and speaking about for the past couple of months saying, you know, we're kind of reaching a crisis point here where in the united states in particular we have pivoted away from counter terrorism towards this concept of great power competition with china and russia and when you talk to folks in the intelligence community, the cupboard is bare. all the analysts that covered is have been shifted elsewhere and that's a major concern. i don't want to be alarmist and obviously we're still waiting for more information, we want to verify these claims by the islamic state group, but if this was, indeed, isis—k, what's the potential for future attacks not only within russia, but potentially elsewhere? yeah, it's good to be sober about this, right, and not to be alarmist. but, you know, there's been a steady drum beat and uptick in disruptive plots. that gives you a sense of intent. we have now seen capabilities. in fact, on tuesday, earlier this week, i actually tweeted out isis—k is knocking on the doorstep or knocking on the door in europe, i'm very concerned about a potential attack. three days later this attack happens. why did i say that? us warning, a failed plot against the synagogue in moscow, another disrupted plot in germany that was targeting sweden, so we have seen a kind of steady, again, you know, kind of operational template from this group and it was only a matter of time until they launched a successful attack. this one was highly lethal. you believe russia could have ignored this attack. what does a domestic attack potentially a terror attack on russian soil mean for president vladimir putin? well, makes him look weak, and vulnerable although putin has already tried to deflect to ukraine. he'll use this to his advantage to try to recruit and potentially con script, you know, new manpower for the war in ukraine most likely. interesting stuff. thank you very much for your thoughts. thank you. there have been multiple explosions in the ukrainian capital, kyiv, following russian airstrikes. the ukrainian military said air defence systems were engaged to repel the attacks. there have also been reports of loud explosions in the western region of lviv, near ukraine's border with poland. the bbc correspondent in kyiv says alerts are warning of missile attacks across the whole of ukraine. in a statement, the polish armed forces said poland and its allies had activated aircraft to ensure the safety of polish airspace. they wrote on x: "polish and allied aircraft have been "activated, which may result in increased noise levels, especially in the south eastern part of the country." the united nations chief antonio guterres visited the rafah crossing on saturday making a renewed call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. his call came as the hamas run health ministry in gaza said 19 people waiting for aid were killed by israeli forces. israel has denied firing on the crowd. mr guterres said it is time to silence the guns and stop the nightmare — describing the ongoing loss of life in gaza as a moral outrage. the un estimates 1.1 million people in gaza are struggling with catastrophic hunger and starvation. mr guterres called on israel to give "total, unfettered" "access to humanitarian goods throughout the territory." it's time to truly flood gaza with life—saving aid. the choice is clear — either surge or starvation. let's choose the side of help, the side of hope, and the right side of history. well, a little earlier, i spoke to james elder, a unicef spokesperson who is in rafah on the gaza side. the un secretary general wat at the border crossing today and he called the conditions there a moral outrage. you are in rafah on the gaza side, do you agree with the secretary general? without a doubt. it is utterly horrendous in rafah where i am now a population of 300,000 is now close at 1.5 million. people on the streets, sanitation is broken down and there is not enough access. i don't know if you can hear but i can hear bombs now. it may be rafah or it may be next door in khan unis. the neighbouring city is devastated and i have never seen that level of annihilation on a city in my 20 years with the united nations. hospitals are non—functional. two—thirds of them at least, people in the north, you drive past and doing the universal sign of hunger, much less than the children who are dying of famine like conditions. so, yes, it is a moral outrage and families are living through this, day in and day out. somehow, incredulously, it is getting worse. i saw you filmed a video, a long line of aide trucks waiting to enter gaza and you said, this is a quote, "famine is so terrifyingly close to gaza and infuriatingly, life—saving supplies are even closer." are there any signs now that that light of the line of trucks is making its way. are they getting into gaza, getting to the people who need this suppliant aid? same story as it has been for months, unfortunately. yes, some aid is getting in. the united nations is getting what we are allowed to get in, food, water, medicine. unicef, everyone will tell you it is simply not enough. we know it is not enough. arbitrary denials, more and more denials today. 0ne border crossing that one border crossing today and that is a long way to the north opening more crossings will be the most objective straightforward way for the occupying power, and remember israel is the occupying power has a legal responsibility to ensure people get lifesaving aid, so not to the level people need, we are nowhere near the amount of aid coming in. james, i know you are hearing explosions and if it is unsafe let us know but want to ask about the level of safety there. does it feel secure for aid organisations, for the un organisations to be operating on the ground right now? i mean, the united nations we are in a difficult place. somalia, afghanistan, ukraine, this is what the united nations does. we stay in deliver. but this is a very unsafe place to be. the idea of safe zones is simply not valid. they are not safe because they do not have sanitation or water or protection for people. they are not safe because of bombardment. we have seen more aid workers killed in this war than any other war before. same forjournalists, i think, no, this is absolutely not a safe place to operate and it will not be a safe place with this level of bombardment and the ferocity, the indiscriminate nature of it, which is why the secretary general has, for months and months, been calling for this ceasefire. prime minister benjamin netanyahu again insisted this week that israel intends to push ahead with its plans for a military incursion into rafah, where you are. from what you have seen, what effect would that have on the citizens living there? the depth of horror in gaza is surpassing our ability to describe it. the word catastrophic has been used many times. rafah is gaza's last hope. rafah is twice a population density now of new york city but no high—rises. people are literally on the streets, in tents on the streets, on the beaches. rafah is now city of children. the people who were told to leave from the north, though here go there shelter, shelter under attack, they come to rafah. a military incursion here would be utterly devastating for people who are alreadyjust holding on. we are almost out of time but i want to ask you because you mention the children living there. what sort of lasting effects will a conflict like this leave on a generation of young people in gaza? you are spot on. it is a generation and we are in uncharted territory. every child here will need some sort of psychological help. drones are surveillence but children also noted that drones are bombs. they are 24/7 have been four months and months. children with parents killed, loved ones, moving house all the time, no education. there is a level of mental scarring here that i do not think we have seen before and a young population, with the right skills and opportunity, it is a demographic boom. right now, they are getting the worst of every aspect of humanity. james elder, a spokesperson for unicef there in rafah. thank you very much. kensington palace says the prince and princess of wales are both "enormously touched" by the public response to catherine's announcement that she is receiving treatment for cancer. in a video released friday, catherine said the diagnosis came as a "huge shock" and that she's in the early stages of chemotherapy. 0ur royal correspondent, daniela relph, has more. this is the national with erica johnson. catherine, the princess of wales, made a shocking announcement... making headlines globally. kate middleton... the impact of the princess's diagnosis has been felt far and wide. her video message was the most direct and personal we have ever seen the princess. this, of course, came as a huge shock... it was also an attempt to shut down the rumours. i think what the princess of wales is hoping is that this message will be direct enough to appeal to people's better natures and say, look, the invasion of privacy that has been going on, on social media for the last couple of months has just been way too much. people need to stop and think and not engage in that kind of activity going forward. and now a fresh statement from kensington palace, a public thank you. it said... family has rallied around the princess, including those with whom relations are strained. the duke and duchess of sussex sent a public message of support. the bbc understands they have also reached out privately. in windsor today, where the prince and princess live, public sympathy remains strong. we've been thinking of her all along and wish her the best. they're going through something so private and hard and, you know, the public eye on it, it's really tough, to be honest. yeah, she's got. young kids, right? and she's a human being, so i thought it was - all quite upsetting. protecting her three children has been a priority for the princess of wales. she said she's taken time to explain and reassure george, charlotte and louis. i think it's really important, when parents are approaching, talking to their children about their cancer diagnosis, that they plan it, they think about it carefully. and also they get the right support to help them deal with the emotions that it creates in them. the new message from the prince and princess is both a thank you and a polite warning. they now want to be left alone. we don't expect to hear from them over the easter holiday. instead, we may see the king back in the royal spotlight. christmas at sandringham, the last full gathering of the royal family. next sunday, many will be back for the easter church service in windsor. buckingham palace are hopeful that the king will also be there. daniela relph, bbc news. in revealing her diagnosis, her royal highness made sure to speak more widely to all people suffering with cancer. her message: don't give up hope. but how to do that when facing such a daunting diagnosis? for more, i spoke to dr william dahut, chief scientific officer of the american cancer society. thank you forjoining us. catherine is certainly not alone when it comes to a cancer diagnosis. so many people have been affected, so many people know a friend or loved one who may have cancer. what are some ways that we can support them? it is very difficult for the individual who has a cancer diagnosis even beyond the cancer treatment. i think the discussion with loved ones and family members or friends is also really difficult so i think one needs to be thoughtful about that because you have a cancer diagnosis and are petrified about what could be a life—threatening event and then you need to share this with people who you love and who you will immediately upset. in some ways you have changed your role and in some ways you have become the physician who is telling somebody about cancer only it is your cancer. so you can see how hard it can be for people. so that is why it is really important to be particularly supportive of the cancer patient as they explain information about their cancer and not ask too many questions. allow for privacy. people always say what can i do? and patients almost always say i'm fine. and so one piece of advice that we have and this is on our website is to not simply say what can i do but to say what you are going to do. what kind of pizza do you like? and then bring home a pepperoni pizza on tuesday night. and work with the caregiver who was helping the cancer patient who is incredibly affected, working through that person, oftentimes you can find where you are needed. picking up a child from soccer or something. i think giving concrete things for the caregiver, being thoughtful about communication of the diagnosis, ensuring you allow for privacy but thoughtful ways to be helpful and probably the most effective. one of the things from the video message from catherine that resonated with a lot of people is she said she needed to take the time to explain the situation to her young children and to reassure them that she was going to be ok. how can families talk about cancer with young children? that seems to be a difficult conversation to have. when you think about simply as i spoke about earlier, trying to tell somebody, your sister or your mother, telling your young child is particularly difficult. upsetting for parents to upset their child who they are trying to protect. so a couple of things. number one, children are actually much more perceptive than when they imagine and they often know that something is going on. so i think it is important to be as honest as possible. you need to let folks know and your kids know it is a serious illness and let them know that there is a plan for what is going on so you understand things. kids often blame themselves so you need to reassure them that it is not their fault because they didn't do homework or because they yelled at the younger brother or sister. that is not the reason why. and then you need to reiterate the explanation based on the individual child. some kids can actually understand and want to know more about the details and others really do not want to know anything at all. that is age or gender—based but often timesjust to individualise information you give. let kids have time to process it. be honest and let them know it is serious. do not overwhelm them and make sure they know it is not their fault. and before we go: let's turn to some important news around the world. in just a few hours, polls will open in senegal�*s presidential election. the vote is finally going ahead after weeks of unrest over a controversial decision by outgoing president macky sall to delay the vote. the election was originally scheduled to take place in february. senegal�*s long democratic tradition is being put to the test as one of the few countries in the sahel region that has never seen a coup. and one of the most read articles on the bbc news website today — jasmin paris from scotland, has become the first woman to finish one of the world's toughest ultra—marathons. she completed the 100—mile barkley marathons course, in tennessee, with just 99 seconds to spare before the 60—hour cut off. and, some of the world's most famous landmarks have gone dark. they're taking part in earth hour to raise awareness of environmental issues and the impact of climate change. in athens, the acropolis joined other recognisable buildings around the world, in dimming its lights. and here in the us, the empire state building in new york turned off its lights earlier this evening. stay with us here on bbc news. hello there. well, it's certainly been a lively start to the weekend weatherwise. loads of showers around on saturday, some of them with hail and thunder, some of them with mammatus clouds — always a sign of a good storm. now, the showers that went through south parts of greater london, around kent, they really dumped the temperatures. look at that — ten degrees at midday, just two degrees celsius a couple of hours later in the afternoon. that would have felt really cold, especially with those gusty winds. now, over the next few hours, many of the showers will tend to become confined to more northeastern areas of the uk should become drier over the next few hours in the west. temperatures as we head into the first part of sunday morning, quite chilly around 3 to six degrees celsius. now, sunday will continue to be dominated weatherwise by this area of low pressure — it's the same one that we had on saturday, but it's starting to pull away into the near continent, but still influencing our weather. certainly there'll be lots of showers across northern areas of scotland and a few affecting the east coast of scotland running down east and coastal counties of england as well. some of the showers for these areas will continue to be quite heavy with some hail, whereas across western areas of the uk many areas should have a dry day with some bright or sunny spells. temperatures for most about 10 to 12 degrees — that's average for the time of year. northern scotland, about six to eight. that's a little on the cool side. then into monday, we get another area of low pressure forming and moving in off the atlantic. this is going to be bringing further outbreaks of rain on monday to northern ireland, wales and western areas of england. probably a dry and bright day for eastern areas of england. the rain starts pushing northwards across scotland and starts to move into the chilly air that we have here. temperaturesjust six in aberdeen. so through monday night we might actually start to see some of that rain turn to snow. it is going to be quite high up in the high hills of scotland, probably above 300 metres elevation or so, but that could continue to be a risk into tuesday. so you might see a little bit of snow on some of the very high—ish scottish routes in the north. otherwise at lower elevations it's just outbreaks of rain, sleet and a bit of hail that you'll see mixed in. a cold day on tuesday — temperatures around nine or ten for england and wales, just five there in aberdeen. so overall, we're looking at a very unsettled week ahead, a cold start to the week, yes, but it does tend to turn milder as the week goes by. bye for now. voice—0ver: this is bbc news. we will have the headlines for you at the top of the hour, which is straight after this programme. this week, nick's at south by southwest, where assistive tech is helping one artist with muscular dystrophy crack the music scene. what do you think about this from a fashion perspective? oh, yeah, definitely, it can't cramp my style. chris suits up... they've gone to get me a bigger sign. . ..eventually, to see how our old four—legged friend spot is helping with the decommissioning of a nuclear power station. and we travel to miami to see what 3d printing might mean for marine wildlife. every march, thousands of musicians, movie stars and media moguls from all over the world descend on austin, texas. it's time for south by southwest. and this year, one musician made quite a splash on this global stage thanks to a life—changing innovation. and nick kwek travelled with him as he made his us debut. this is eli's story. # ..tears on the sand...# my name's eli crosley. i'm 16 years old. i am currently in year 12. i'm a musician. i'm the singer in the band askew. we play a mixture of original music and cover songs... # i need to be myself...# they're basically alljust my

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