hello. tonight we're in monmouthshire in wales to talk to the people of this proud area about what their lives are like and what they want to hearfrom politicians in this election year. does it feel like the economy has turned a corner as the prime minister claimed today? good evening and welcome to abergavenny. applause. according to the sunday times yesterday, this is the best place to live in the whole of wales. we're here for one of our outside broadcasts where we gauge the mood of people who live and work here in the run up to an election later this year. we're broadcasting live tonight from a brand—new constituency of monmouthshire in south—east wales. it's the successor to the seat of monmouth which has voted conservative since 2005. and we are in the stunning st mary's priory which has served the people of abergavenny and the surrounding area for a thousand years. we've invited people from all walks of life, all political colours, broadly representative of how people voted at the last election. some of you are also joining us because you want to raise specific issues like pollution for example. as you know, wales has two governments — the welsh government which is labour—led and the conservative westminster government, each one with power and responsbility over different things. the welsh parliament is the senedd. labour holds 30 of the 60 seats and holds the post of first binister. holds the post of first minister. as of this weekend, wales has a new first minister, vaughan gething. the party has been in a cooperation deal with the nationalists, plaid cymru. will that continue? well, we can ask because we have politicians with us too tonight. we'll introduce those in a moment after we've heard from you. good evening. good evening. it is a good job we rehearsed that. thank you for giving up your monday night. the prime minister has claimed today that the economy has turned the corner, and quote. does it feel like that to you? i am turned the corner, and quote. does it feel like that to you?— it feel like that to you? i am from cardiff, about _ it feel like that to you? i am from cardiff, about 30 _ it feel like that to you? i am from cardiff, about 30 miles _ it feel like that to you? i am from cardiff, about 30 miles from - it feel like that to you? i am from | cardiff, about 30 miles from here. it feel like that to you? i am from i cardiff, about 30 miles from here. i find it has not turned any chorus. if anything, it seems to have got worse. i am struggling as a business to cope with overheads, service charges. to cope with overheads, service charaes. ~ ., ., i. to cope with overheads, service charaes. ~ ., ., to cope with overheads, service charges-_ we i to cope with overheads, service i charges._ we run to cope with overheads, service - charges._ we run a charges. what do you do? we run a ”arae charges. what do you do? we run a garage business _ charges. what do you do? we run a garage business and _ charges. what do you do? we run a garage business and it _ charges. what do you do? we run a garage business and it is _ charges. what do you do? we run a garage business and it is very - garage business and it is very difficult and people have very little money and they don't have spare cash and they can't afford to have the car is repaired, it is a big problem. in terms of rishi sunak saying we have turned a corner, i can't see it, and i have voted tory for a long time.— can't see it, and i have voted tory for a long time._ yes, l can't see it, and i have voted tory i for a long time._ yes, for for a long time. you have? yes, for many years _ for a long time. you have? yes, for many years one — for a long time. you have? yes, for many years. one example - for a long time. you have? yes, for many years. one example is - for a long time. you have? yes, for many years. one example is he - for a long time. you have? yes, for. many years. one example is he might sa we many years. one example is he might say we have — many years. one example is he might say we have halved _ many years. one example is he might say we have halved inflation. - many years. one example is he might say we have halved inflation. do - many years. one example is he might say we have halved inflation. do you | say we have halved inflation. do you notice that? do you feel that two he could talk about inflation or cutting national insurance. do you feel those things? in cutting national insurance. do you feel those things?— cutting national insurance. do you feel those things? in terms of money cominu feel those things? in terms of money coming into — feel those things? in terms of money coming into the _ feel those things? in terms of money coming into the economy _ feel those things? in terms of money coming into the economy does - feel those things? in terms of money coming into the economy does not i coming into the economy does not feel that way at all, people are scrimping around to get money together, to pay for even basic items like food. rents and mortgages are going up. there is very little money left in the economy, i can't see any corners being turned. [30 money left in the economy, i can't see any corners being turned. do you know how you — see any corners being turned. do you know how you will _ see any corners being turned. do you know how you will vote _ see any corners being turned. do you know how you will vote at _ see any corners being turned. do you know how you will vote at the - see any corners being turned. do you know how you will vote at the next i know how you will vote at the next election? i know how you will vote at the next election? ., �* ~' , election? i don't think it will be to , to election? i don't think it will be tory. to be _ election? i don't think it will be tory, to be honest. _ election? i don't think it will be tory, to be honest. unless- election? i don't think it will be - tory, to be honest. unless something comes out of the hat and i can't see that. ~ ., ., ., ~ ., comes out of the hat and i can't see that. . . ., . ~' ., i” comes out of the hat and i can't see that. ~ ., ., ., ~ ., ., that. what would it take for you to vote conservative _ that. what would it take for you to vote conservative again? - that. what would it take for you to vote conservative again? it - that. what would it take for you to vote conservative again? it would | vote conservative again? it would have to be _ vote conservative again? it would have to be a _ vote conservative again? it would have to be a big _ vote conservative again? it would have to be a big movement - vote conservative again? it would l have to be a big movement towards feeling betterfor have to be a big movement towards feeling better for myself and my family and my customers long term. that would be the thing that would make me vote tory.— that would be the thing that would make me vote tory._ i l that would be the thing that would l make me vote tory._ i am make me vote tory. thank you. i am kate and i — make me vote tory. thank you. i am kate and i live _ make me vote tory. thank you. i am kate and i live in _ make me vote tory. thank you. i am kate and i live in cardiff _ make me vote tory. thank you. i am kate and i live in cardiff and - make me vote tory. thank you. i am kate and i live in cardiff and i - kate and i live in cardiff and i work— kate and i live in cardiff and i work for— kate and i live in cardiff and i work for a _ kate and i live in cardiff and i work for a major charity. i find the prime _ work for a major charity. i find the prime minister's statement that we have turned a corner, i am wholly not persuaded by that. i am lucky in that i_ not persuaded by that. i am lucky in that i earri— not persuaded by that. i am lucky in that i earn about the national average — that i earn about the national average wage, a single income household, and i can manage. i can pay my— household, and i can manage. i can pay my bills — household, and i can manage. i can pay my bills. but what i have found is i have _ pay my bills. but what i have found is i have had — pay my bills. but what i have found is i have had to get rid of the fun stuff _ is i have had to get rid of the fun stuff i_ is i have had to get rid of the fun stuff. i know that is not much of a complaint — stuff. i know that is not much of a complaint. but if there are people less well— complaint. but if there are people less well off than me where the fun stuff has _ less well off than me where the fun stuff has already gone, where does that leave — stuff has already gone, where does that leave them? if i am feeling the squeeze. _ that leave them? if i am feeling the squeeze, people worse off than we are in— squeeze, people worse off than we are in a _ squeeze, people worse off than we are in a difficult position and we have _ are in a difficult position and we have seen— are in a difficult position and we have seen the normalisation of the use of— have seen the normalisation of the use of food — have seen the normalisation of the use of food banks by people who are in work _ use of food banks by people who are in work. that should shame us as a country— in work. that should shame us as a country and — in work. that should shame us as a country and for some reason it doesn't — country and for some reason it doesn't. ~ , ., , ., country and for some reason it doesn't. ~ , . , ., country and for some reason it doesn't. ~ , ., ., doesn't. where is kay? i am kay and i live u- doesn't. where is kay? i am kay and i live up the — doesn't. where is kay? i am kay and i live up the road _ doesn't. where is kay? i am kay and i live up the road in _ doesn't. where is kay? i am kay and i live up the road in abergavenny. i i live up the road in abergavenny. bring the microphone closer to your mouth. i bring the microphone closer to your mouth. , , mouth. i live just up the road in abergavenny. — mouth. i live just up the road in abergavenny. i— mouth. i live just up the road in abergavenny, i am _ mouth. i live just up the road in abergavenny, i am happier- mouth. i livejust up the road in| abergavenny, i am happier here mouth. i live just up the road in i abergavenny, i am happier here but i'm not feeling happy with the government. we are not feeling it, the shopping, the petrol, childcare, so many things are going up and up. ithink so many things are going up and up. i think rishi sunak was a great chancellor, but, iam i think rishi sunak was a great chancellor, but, i am sorry, i think rishi sunak was a great chancellor, but, iam sorry, he i think rishi sunak was a great chancellor, but, i am sorry, he will not win the next election unless somebody else goes in there. i suggest they amalgamate with somebody like reform. they have got a lot going for them. um? somebody like reform. they have got a lot going for them.— a lot going for them. why do you say that? i a lot going for them. why do you say that? i like — a lot going for them. why do you say that? i like richard _ a lot going for them. why do you say that? i like richard tice, _ a lot going for them. why do you say that? i like richard tice, he i a lot going for them. why do you say that? i like richard tice, he gets i that? i like richard tice, he gets down to the _ that? i like richard tice, he gets down to the nitty-gritty, i i that? i like richard tice, he gets down to the nitty-gritty, i have l down to the nitty—gritty, i have seen him on television and i think he is an honest, good man. you want reform from — he is an honest, good man. you want reform from a _ he is an honest, good man. you want reform from a uk _ he is an honest, good man. you want reform from a uk and _ he is an honest, good man. you want reform from a uk and the _ reform from a uk and the conservatives to get together? it is conservatives to get together? it is im ossible conservatives to get together? it 3 impossible but i would like that very much. my impossible but i would like that very much-— impossible but i would like that ve much. g . , ., ., very much. my name is linton and i am married — very much. my name is linton and i am married with _ very much. my name is linton and i am married with two _ very much. my name is linton and i am married with two young i very much. my name is linton and i | am married with two young children and i_ am married with two young children and i can— am married with two young children and i can relate to what a lot of people — and i can relate to what a lot of people have been saying in the audience — people have been saying in the audience in terms of the cost of living, _ audience in terms of the cost of living, in— audience in terms of the cost of living, in terms of to survive really — living, in terms of to survive really for _ living, in terms of to survive really. for myself it is me and my wife, _ really. for myself it is me and my wife, we — really. for myself it is me and my wife, we both work and we are raising — wife, we both work and we are raising two— wife, we both work and we are raising two young children and i am having _ raising two young children and i am having to _ raising two young children and i am having to work two job is to be able to keep _ having to work two job is to be able to keep ourselves going. a having to work two job is to be able to keep ourselves going.— to keep ourselves going. a double income household, _ to keep ourselves going. a double income household, but _ to keep ourselves going. a double income household, but i - to keep ourselves going. a double income household, but i don't i to keep ourselves going. a double l income household, but i don't want to put words into your mouth, do you feel like you are just existing? it feel like you are just existing? it does feel like that. what i feel like you are just existing? it does feel like that. what would l feel like you are just existing? it i does feel like that. what would have to chance does feel like that. what would have to change in — does feel like that. what would have to change in the _ does feel like that. what would have to change in the economy _ does feel like that. what would have to change in the economy that i does feel like that. what would have to change in the economy that you i to change in the economy that you think would be a positive for you? in the budget they announced, the conservatives and outs, a national insurance cut. before that in the autumn statement they announced a national insurance cut. are you feeling that? looe not at the moment, if i am being honest. ifeel like a lot more has to be done for opportunities, for in employers to pay people. for opportunities, for in employers to pay people-— opportunities, for in employers to -a --eole. ., ., pay people. for a higher minimum ware. pay people. for a higher minimum wage- this — pay people. for a higher minimum wage. this could _ pay people. for a higher minimum wage. this could be _ pay people. for a higher minimum wage. this could be across i pay people. for a higher minimum wage. this could be across all- pay people. for a higher minimum l wage. this could be across all types of employment, whether it be self—employment, whether people do things— self—employment, whether people do things on— self—employment, whether people do things on the side like other types ofiohs _ things on the side like other types ofjobs and altering jobs what might work _ ofjobs and altering jobs what might work |_ of jobs and altering “obs what might work. ., ., ., a of jobs and altering “obs what might work. ., ., ., ., _., , , work. i want to ask if anybody feels better off. work. i want to ask if anybody feels better off- let _ work. i want to ask if anybody feels better off. let me _ work. i want to ask if anybody feels better off. let me ask— work. i want to ask if anybody feels better off. let me ask all— work. i want to ask if anybody feels better off. let me ask all of i work. i want to ask if anybody feels better off. let me ask all of you, i better off. let me ask all of you, and it is a big yes or no, do any of you feel better off going into this election compared to how you felt coming out of the last election? he. coming out of the last election? no. is an one coming out of the last election? no. is anyone saying yes? i _ coming out of the last election? no. is anyone saying yes? i am i coming out of the last election? no. is anyone saying yes? i am graham | is anyone saying yes? i am graham from cardiff- _ is anyone saying yes? i am graham from cardiff. do _ is anyone saying yes? i am graham from cardiff. do you _ is anyone saying yes? i am graham from cardiff. do you feel— is anyone saying yes? i am graham from cardiff. do you feel better i from cardiff. do you feel better off? we spent _ from cardiff. do you feel better off? we spent the _ from cardiff. do you feel better off? we spent the best i from cardiff. do you feel better off? we spent the best part i from cardiff. do you feel better off? we spent the best part ofl from cardiff. do you feel better i off? we spent the best part of 18 months and _ off? we spent the best part of 18 months and two _ off? we spent the best part of 18 months and two years _ off? we spent the best part of 18 months and two years paying i off? we spent the best part of 18 i months and two years paying people to stay at and we have got the biggest debt we have ever had since the 1800s. biggest debt we have ever had since the 18005. it biggest debt we have ever had since the 1800s. it will be years before we feel better off. i think our politicians need to be honest with us and we just need to realise we have got to pay this debt back otherwise it will go on to the younger generation. in otherwise it will go on to the younger generation.- otherwise it will go on to the younger generation. in what way do ou think younger generation. in what way do you think politicians _ younger generation. in what way do you think politicians are _ younger generation. in what way do you think politicians are not i younger generation. in what way do you think politicians are not being l you think politicians are not being honest with you?— you think politicians are not being honest with you? they don't want to tell us the truth _ honest with you? they don't want to tell us the truth because _ honest with you? they don't want to tell us the truth because they - honest with you? they don't want to tell us the truth because they want i tell us the truth because they want to get elected. anything that needs to get elected. anything that needs to be done will take more than five years and they don't look more than five years ahead.— five years ahead. what is your messa . e five years ahead. what is your message to — five years ahead. what is your message to politicians - five years ahead. what is your. message to politicians tonight? five years ahead. what is your - message to politicians tonight? get a a-ri. message to politicians tonight? get a grip- meaning _ message to politicians tonight? get a grip. meaning what? _ message to politicians tonight? get a grip. meaning what? be - message to politicians tonight? get a grip. meaning what? be honest, i a grip. meaning what? be honest, tell us the truth. _ a grip. meaning what? be honest, tell us the truth. people _ a grip. meaning what? be honest, tell us the truth. people in - a grip. meaning what? be honest, tell us the truth. people in this . tell us the truth. people in this country are strong. we have got a fantastic work ethic. there are some of the hardest working people in europe. we deserve the truth and i don't think we are getting it. luckily for you, graham, we have politicians here tonight. let's introduce our politicians tonight. for the conservatives we have natahsa asghar who is a member of the senedd and a shadow transport minister here in wales. we have the leader of plaid cymru, rhun ap iorwerth. we will ask about the relationship with labour. for labour we have welsh minister for health and social services, eluned morgan, baroness morgan. and for the liberal democrats, mp helen morgan. who wants to be honest with our audience here tonight? i completely a- reciate audience here tonight? i completely appreciate what _ audience here tonight? i completely appreciate what the _ audience here tonight? i completely appreciate what the gentleman - audience here tonight? i completely appreciate what the gentleman said| appreciate what the gentleman said at the end. we have a responsibility as politicians to tell the truth and the truth is the country went through covid and it is a fact £400 billion was spent by the uk government tried to help people, trying to support people, ensuring people were on furlough, ensuring people were on furlough, ensuring people have support when it came to schemes like eat out to help out and these were concepts created by the prime minister at the time, the chancellor. at the time when covid happened i was a civilian, i was not a politician. i don't mean to be disrespectful, but rishi sunak has a magic money tree and he is giving money left, right and centre to everyone and at some point this money has to be paid back. you understand _ money has to be paid back. you understand that _ money has to be paid back. you understand that and we understand that. part of the honesty comes down to rishi sunak saying i am a low tax tory. he is not. the tax burden is the highest it has ever been in peacetime and it is going to continue to rise. the trajectory is up. that is the honesty people are talking about. up. that is the honesty people are talking about-— up. that is the honesty people are talking about. there will always be issues in trying _ talking about. there will always be issues in trying to recover- talking about. there will always be issues in trying to recover the - issues in trying to recover the economy after covid. do issues in trying to recover the economy after covid.- issues in trying to recover the economy after covid. do you accept what i said? — economy after covid. do you accept what i said? you _ economy after covid. do you accept what i said? you can't _ economy after covid. do you accept what i said? you can't say - economy after covid. do you accept what i said? you can't say you - economy after covid. do you accept what i said? you can't say you are l economy after covid. do you acceptj what i said? you can't say you are a low tax tory. yet, but where is the money going to come from? so stop saying you are a low tax tory. but we have to _ saying you are a low tax tory. pm we have to consider the options to pay it back. we we have to consider the options to pay it back-— pay it back. we have to be honest and it is a — pay it back. we have to be honest and it is a scarce _ pay it back. we have to be honest and it is a scarce commodity. - pay it back. we have to be honest i and it is a scarce commodity. there seems _ and it is a scarce commodity. there seems to— and it is a scarce commodity. there seems to be — and it is a scarce commodity. there seems to be a conspiracy of silence between _ seems to be a conspiracy of silence between the two parties. don�*t seems to be a conspiracy of silence between the two parties.— between the two parties. don't tell me, ou between the two parties. don't tell me. you are _ between the two parties. don't tell me. you are an _ between the two parties. don't tell me, you are an honest— between the two parties. don't tell me, you are an honest politician? i try to be, but this audience will tell you — try to be, but this audience will tell you what they think of politicians. i used to be a journalist and i went from there to there _ journalist and i went from there to there in— journalist and i went from there to there in people forced my eyes. there _ there in people forced my eyes. there has— there in people forced my eyes. there has to be honesty. we do have the highest _ there has to be honesty. we do have the highest tax burden but we have to have _ the highest tax burden but we have to have honesty that you can't put all of _ to have honesty that you can't put all of this— to have honesty that you can't put all of this at the door of covid. we had that— all of this at the door of covid. we had that disastrous, very short period — had that disastrous, very short period under liz truss and kwasi kwarteng — period under liz truss and kwasi kwarteng that wrecked the economy. when _ kwarteng that wrecked the economy. when you _ kwarteng that wrecked the economy. when you look at how much mortgage went up— when you look at how much mortgage went up lry— when you look at how much mortgage went up by and how much that contributed to the cost of living crisis. — contributed to the cost of living crisis, that is what people are living — crisis, that is what people are living through right now. we had this budget a couple of weeks ago which _ this budget a couple of weeks ago which wanted to sound like a sweetener with the cut in national insurance. — sweetener with the cut in national insurance, but people will not buy it. insurance, but people will not buy it at _ insurance, but people will not buy it at the — insurance, but people will not buy it. at the end of the day what we are seeing — it. at the end of the day what we are seeing is a budget that sets of £20 billion more in public spending cuts that— £20 billion more in public spending cuts that all of you will have to pay for. — cuts that all of you will have to pay for, through poorer public services — pay for, through poorer public services and through pressures on the government leading to an increase — the government leading to an increase in your council tax. that is the _ increase in your council tax. that is the lack— increase in your council tax. that is the lack of _ increase in your council tax. that is the lack of honesty of a government that is trying desperately to buy some votes when they get— desperately to buy some votes when they get themselves into a hole. i think they get themselves into a hole. think the they get themselves into a hole. i think the labour party is being brutally— think the labour party is being brutally honest _ think the labour party is being brutally honest about - think the labour party is being brutally honest about when . think the labour party is beingj brutally honest about when we think the labour party is being - brutally honest about when we get into government, _ brutally honest about when we get into government, if— brutally honest about when we get into government, if the _ brutally honest about when we get into government, if the public - brutally honest about when we get| into government, if the public vote for us _ into government, if the public vote for us then — into government, if the public vote for us then it— into government, if the public vote for us. then it is— into government, if the public vote for us. then it is going _ into government, if the public vote for us. then it is going to- into government, if the public vote for us. then it is going to be - for us. then it is going to be difficult _ for us. then it is going to be difficult. there _ for us. then it is going to be difficult. there are - for us. then it is going to be difficult. there are real- difficult. there are real limitations _ difficult. there are real limitations in _ difficult. there are real limitations in terms - difficult. there are real limitations in terms ofl difficult. there are real. limitations in terms of the difficult. there are real— limitations in terms of the promises that lahour— limitations in terms of the promises that labour are _ limitations in terms of the promises that labour are making _ limitations in terms of the promises that labour are making because - limitations in terms of the promises that labour are making because we| that labour are making because we know _ that labour are making because we know the _ that labour are making because we know the terrible _ that labour are making because we know the terrible inheritance - that labour are making because we know the terrible inheritance we i that labour are making because we| know the terrible inheritance we are likely— know the terrible inheritance we are likely to _ know the terrible inheritance we are likely to receive. _ know the terrible inheritance we are likely to receive. the?— know the terrible inheritance we are likely to receive.— likely to receive. they will not answer the — likely to receive. they will not answer the question - likely to receive. they will not answer the question about. likely to receive. they will not. answer the question about where likely to receive. they will not - answer the question about where the cuts are coming. to answer the question about where the cuts are coming-— cuts are coming. to be clear, there was a promise. _ cuts are coming. to be clear, there was a promise, our— cuts are coming. to be clear, there was a promise, our aspiration - cuts are coming. to be clear, there was a promise, our aspiration in i was a promise, our aspiration in relation — was a promise, our aspiration in relation to— was a promise, our aspiration in relation to the _ was a promise, our aspiration in relation to the greek _ was a promise, our aspiration in relation to the greek economy, i was a promise, our aspiration in- relation to the greek economy, that was huge _ relation to the greek economy, that was huge and — relation to the greek economy, that was huge and we _ relation to the greek economy, that was huge and we have _ relation to the greek economy, that was huge and we have had - relation to the greek economy, that was huge and we have had to - relation to the greek economy, that was huge and we have had to pay. relation to the greek economy, that l was huge and we have had to pay that back _ was huge and we have had to pay that back -- _ was huge and we have had to pay that back -- to— was huge and we have had to pay that back -- to grow— was huge and we have had to pay that back. —— to grow the _ was huge and we have had to pay that back. —— to grow the economy. - was huge and we have had to pay that back. —— to grow the economy. that. back. -- to grow the economy. that is a different — back. -- to grow the economy. that is a different point. _ back. —— to grow the economy. is a different point. they back. —— to grow the economy. thai is a different point. they would back. —— to grow the economy. is a different point. they would not answer where cuts would come if labour was to win. in answer where cuts would come if labour was to win.— labour was to win. in the welsh government _ labour was to win. in the welsh government we _ labour was to win. in the welsh government we had _ labour was to win. in the welsh government we had to - labour was to win. in the welsh government we had to go - labour was to win. in the welsh l government we had to go through labour was to win. in the welsh - government we had to go through a difficult _ government we had to go through a difficult time — government we had to go through a difficult time in _ government we had to go through a difficult time in finding _ government we had to go through a difficult time in finding the - government we had to go through a difficult time in finding the cuts - difficult time in finding the cuts 'ust difficult time in finding the cuts just this — difficult time in finding the cuts just this year— difficult time in finding the cuts just this year as _ difficult time in finding the cuts just this year as a _ difficult time in finding the cuts just this year as a result - difficult time in finding the cuts just this year as a result of - just this year as a result of inflation _ just this year as a result of inflation and _ just this year as a result of inflation and the _ just this year as a result of inflation and the austerityl just this year as a result of - inflation and the austerity that has been _ inflation and the austerity that has been there — inflation and the austerity that has been there for— inflation and the austerity that has been there for ten _ inflation and the austerity that has been there for ten years. - inflation and the austerity that has been there for ten years. part - inflation and the austerity that has been there for ten years. part of. been there for ten years. part of the problem _ been there for ten years. part of the problem is _ been there for ten years. part of the problem is it— been there for ten years. part of the problem is it is— been there for ten years. part of the problem is it is not- been there for ten years. part of the problem is it is notjust - been there for ten years. part of the problem is it is notjust cuts| the problem is it is notjust cuts now, _ the problem is it is notjust cuts now. it — the problem is it is notjust cuts now. it is — the problem is it is notjust cuts now. it is on _ the problem is it is notjust cuts now, it is on top _ the problem is it is notjust cuts now, it is on top of— the problem is it is notjust cuts now, it is on top of the - the problem is it is notjust cuts now, it is on top of the fact - the problem is it is notjust cuts now, it is on top of the fact that we have — now, it is on top of the fact that we have had _ now, it is on top of the fact that we have had austerity _ now, it is on top of the fact that we have had austerity for - now, it is on top of the fact that we have had austerity for so - now, it is on top of the fact that l we have had austerity for so long. we have _ we have had austerity for so long. we have had — we have had austerity for so long. we have had brexit _ we have had austerity for so long. we have had brexit which - we have had austerity for so long. we have had brexit which has - we have had austerity for so long. | we have had brexit which has also had an— we have had brexit which has also had an impact— we have had brexit which has also had an impact on— we have had brexit which has also had an impact on us— we have had brexit which has also had an impact on us and _ we have had brexit which has also had an impact on us and now- we have had brexit which has also had an impact on us and now we l we have had brexit which has also i had an impact on us and now we have -ot had an impact on us and now we have got inflation _ had an impact on us and now we have got inflation partly— had an impact on us and now we have got inflation partly as _ had an impact on us and now we have got inflation partly as a _ had an impact on us and now we have got inflation partly as a result - had an impact on us and now we have got inflation partly as a result of - got inflation partly as a result of the war— got inflation partly as a result of the war in— got inflation partly as a result of the war in ukraine. _ got inflation partly as a result of the war in ukraine. all- got inflation partly as a result of the war in ukraine. all of- got inflation partly as a result of the war in ukraine. all of these i the war in ukraine. all of these things— the war in ukraine. all of these things have _ the war in ukraine. all of these things have meant _ the war in ukraine. all of these things have meant it— the war in ukraine. all of these things have meant it is- the war in ukraine. all of these things have meant it is difficultj things have meant it is difficult for us — things have meant it is difficult for us to— things have meant it is difficult for us to provide _ things have meant it is difficult for us to provide the _ things have meant it is difficult for us to provide the kind - things have meant it is difficult for us to provide the kind of. things have meant it is difficult. for us to provide the kind of public services _ for us to provide the kind of public services that — for us to provide the kind of public services that people _ for us to provide the kind of public services that people expect - for us to provide the kind of public services that people expect us - for us to provide the kind of public services that people expect us to. | services that people expect us to. would _ services that people expect us to. would you — services that people expect us to. would you expect, _ services that people expect us to. would you expect, would - services that people expect us to. would you expect, would it- services that people expect us to. would you expect, would it be - services that people expect us to. i would you expect, would it be right for you to tell voters ahead of the election where cuts are coming? would that be a good thing to do? i would that be a good thing to do? i think all the promising is always dangerous _ think all the promising is always dangerous lt— think all the promising is always dangerous-— think all the promising is always i dangerous-— we dangerous. it is 'ust yes or no. we have to wait — dangerous. it is 'ust yes or no. we have to wait for — dangerous. it isjust yes or no. we have to wait for the _ dangerous. it isjust yes or no. we have to wait for the manifesto. - dangerous. it isjust yes or no. we have to wait for the manifesto. isl have to wait for the manifesto. [£3 that a have to wait for the manifesto. that a good way of being honest have to wait for the manifesto]- that a good way of being honest with the voters no matter what party you are from? we the voters no matter what party you are from? ~ ., ., are from? we have to give the right information — are from? we have to give the right information that _ are from? we have to give the right information that things _ are from? we have to give the right information that things are - are from? we have to give the right information that things are going i are from? we have to give the right information that things are going to j information that things are going to be difficult — information that things are going to be difficult because _ information that things are going to be difficult because of— information that things are going to be difficult because of the - be difficult because of the inheritance _ be difficult because of the inheritance we _ be difficult because of the inheritance we have - be difficult because of the inheritance we have got. i we have done that in wales, we have .one we have done that in wales, we have gone through — we have done that in wales, we have gone through a — we have done that in wales, we have gone through a difficult _ we have done that in wales, we have gone through a difficult exercise - gone through a difficult exercise and people _ gone through a difficult exercise and people have _ gone through a difficult exercise and people have therefore - gone through a difficult exercise i and people have therefore known gone through a difficult exercise - and people have therefore known and seen where _ and people have therefore known and seen where our— and people have therefore known and seen where our values _ and people have therefore known and seen where our values are, _ and people have therefore known and seen where our values are, so - and people have therefore known and seen where our values are, so for- seen where our values are, so for example — seen where our values are, so for example we — seen where our values are, so for example we have _ seen where our values are, so for example we have spent _ seen where our values are, so for example we have spent 4% - seen where our values are, so for example we have spent 4% more| seen where our values are, so for. example we have spent 4% more on seen where our values are, so for- example we have spent 4% more on the nhs in _ example we have spent 4% more on the nhs in wales— example we have spent 4% more on the nhs in wales compared _ example we have spent 4% more on the nhs in wales compared to _ example we have spent 4% more on the nhs in wales compared to the - example we have spent 4% more on the nhs in wales compared to the i% - nhs in wales compared to the 1% additional— nhs in wales compared to the 1% additional they— nhs in wales compared to the 1% additional they are _ nhs in wales compared to the 1% additional they are spending - nhs in wales compared to the 1% additional they are spending in i additional they are spending in england — additional they are spending in england do _ additional they are spending in encland. ~' additional they are spending in encland. ~ ., england. do people think that auestion england. do people think that question has _ england. do people think that question has been _ england. do people think that question has been answered? england. do people think that - question has been answered? no. i will rive question has been answered? no. i will give you more more opportunity before i moved to the lib dems pulled i think things will come more clear in the labour manifesto. what is your solution, alan morgan? i is your solution, alan morgan? i think we can't tax people any more to pay for public services, that's quite clear because everybody is feeling the pinch but there are choices you can make to ease the cost of living crisis that everybody is feeling. liberal democrats lead on the idea of a windfall tax, for example, so we were not going to burden the public purse but we can help people out with their day—to—day bills pulled we would have levied that more extensively. people got help with their energy bills, didn't they? the?r people got help with their energy bills, didn't they?— bills, didn't they? they did that but that tax _ bills, didn't they? they did that but that tax could _ bills, didn't they? they did that but that tax could have - bills, didn't they? they did that but that tax could have been i but that tax could have been extended, no opt outs for companies continue to invest in fossil fuels so moore could have been raised and more help could have been provided notjust more help could have been provided not just for people more help could have been provided notjust for people in their homes but also for businesses who have struggled enormously to rising energy bills. i think we are honest about the fact that the tax burden is very high and people are struggling but there are different choices you can make in different places you can levy taxes to help people out and try to sustain public services. d0 people out and try to sustain public services. , ., ., ., people out and try to sustain public services. i. ., ., , people out and try to sustain public services. ,, ., ., , ., services. do you want to respond to an of services. do you want to respond to any of that? — services. do you want to respond to any of that? go _ services. do you want to respond to any of that? go on. _ services. do you want to respond to any of that? go on. my _ services. do you want to respond to any of that? go on. my name - services. do you want to respond to any of that? go on. my name is - any of that? go on. my name is tobias, any of that? go on. my name is tobias. i _ any of that? go on. my name is tobias, i think— any of that? go on. my name is tobias, i think i'm _ any of that? go on. my name is tobias, i think i'm the - any of that? go on. my name isj tobias, i think i'm the youngest person— tobias, i think i'm the youngest person here _ tobias, i think i'm the youngest person here at _ tobias, i think i'm the youngest person here at the _ tobias, i think i'm the youngest person here at the ripe - tobias, i think i'm the youngest person here at the ripe age - tobias, i think i'm the youngest person here at the ripe age of. tobias, i think i'm the youngestl person here at the ripe age of 18 also the — person here at the ripe age of 18 also the youth _ person here at the ripe age of 18 also the youth parliament - person here at the ripe age of 18 . also the youth parliament member person here at the ripe age of 18 - also the youth parliament member for monmouth _ also the youth parliament member for monmouth pond — also the youth parliament member for monmouth pond in— also the youth parliament member for monmouth pond in my— also the youth parliament member for monmouth pond in my time _ also the youth parliament member for monmouth pond in my time living - also the youth parliament member for monmouth pond in my time living in. monmouth pond in my time living in wales, _ monmouth pond in my time living in wales, going — monmouth pond in my time living in wales, going through— monmouth pond in my time living in wales, going through the _ monmouth pond in my time living in wales, going through the pandemic| wales, going through the pandemic and the _ wales, going through the pandemic and the impact— wales, going through the pandemic and the impact brexit, _ wales, going through the pandemic and the impact brexit, i— wales, going through the pandemic and the impact brexit, i found - wales, going through the pandemic| and the impact brexit, i found there is little _ and the impact brexit, i found there is little hope — and the impact brexit, i found there is little hope in _ and the impact brexit, i found there is little hope in the _ and the impact brexit, i found there is little hope in the eyes _ and the impact brexit, i found there is little hope in the eyes of - and the impact brexit, i found there is little hope in the eyes of the - is little hope in the eyes of the young — is little hope in the eyes of the young people _ is little hope in the eyes of the young people in _ is little hope in the eyes of the young people in wales - is little hope in the eyes of the young people in wales and - is little hope in the eyes of the i young people in wales and across is little hope in the eyes of the - young people in wales and across the uk more _ young people in wales and across the uk more generally... _ young people in wales and across the uk more generally... thal— young people in wales and across the uk more generally. . ._ uk more generally... that quite a massive generalisation, - uk more generally... that quite a massive generalisation, if - uk more generally... that quite a massive generalisation, if you - uk more generally... that quite a l massive generalisation, if you don't mind me saying. do you feel you can speak on behalf of 18—year—olds questioned i mean, we are chronically online as people say, we talk a lot amongst ourselves and each other. talk a lot amongst ourselves and each other-— talk a lot amongst ourselves and each other. ~ . ., ., ., each other. when we come into a new decade and — each other. when we come into a new decade and a — each other. when we come into a new decade and a new— each other. when we come into a new decade and a new period _ each other. when we come into a new decade and a new period in _ each other. when we come into a new decade and a new period in our - decade and a new period in our lives. _ decade and a new period in our lives, we — decade and a new period in our lives, we are _ decade and a new period in our lives, we are saddled - decade and a new period in our lives, we are saddled with- decade and a new period in our lives, we are saddled with a . decade and a new period in our. lives, we are saddled with a debt burden, — lives, we are saddled with a debt burden, with _ lives, we are saddled with a debt burden, with a _ lives, we are saddled with a debt burden, with a crumbling - lives, we are saddled with a debt burden, with a crumbling nhs, . lives, we are saddled with a debt - burden, with a crumbling nhs, mental health— burden, with a crumbling nhs, mental health systems — burden, with a crumbling nhs, mental health systems that _ burden, with a crumbling nhs, mental health systems that from _ burden, with a crumbling nhs, mental health systems that from people - burden, with a crumbling nhs, mental health systems that from people i've l health systems that from people i've spoken— health systems that from people i've spoken to _ health systems that from people i've spoken to in — health systems that from people i've spoken to in my— health systems that from people i've spoken to in my work— health systems that from people i've spoken to in my work in— health systems that from people i've spoken to in my work in the - health systems that from people i've spoken to in my work in the poll- health systems that from people i've spoken to in my work in the poll and| spoken to in my work in the poll and have failed _ spoken to in my work in the poll and have failed people. _ spoken to in my work in the poll and have failed people. so— spoken to in my work in the poll and have failed people. so i— spoken to in my work in the poll and have failed people. so i say- spoken to in my work in the poll and have failed people. so i say to - spoken to in my work in the poll and have failed people. so i say to you l have failed people. so i say to you as parliament _ have failed people. so i say to you as parliament members, - have failed people. so i say to you as parliament members, that- have failed people. so i say to you as parliament members, that thel as parliament members, that the young _ as parliament members, that the young people _ as parliament members, that the young people across _ as parliament members, that the young people across the - as parliament members, that the young people across the united l young people across the united kingdom — young people across the united kingdom find _ young people across the united kingdom find little _ young people across the united kingdom find little good - young people across the united kingdom find little good and i young people across the united . kingdom find little good and what you are _ kingdom find little good and what you are saying _ kingdom find little good and what you are saying in— kingdom find little good and what you are saying in relation- kingdom find little good and what you are saying in relation to - kingdom find little good and what you are saying in relation to the l you are saying in relation to the future _ you are saying in relation to the future put — you are saying in relation to the future put its _ you are saying in relation to the future put its all— you are saying in relation to the future put its all weather- you are saying in relation to the future put its all weather and i you are saying in relation to the i future put its all weather and good saying _ future put its all weather and good saying we — future put its all weather and good saying we will— future put its all weather and good saying we will cut _ future put its all weather and good saying we will cut national - saying we will cut national insurance _ saying we will cut national insurance and _ saying we will cut national insurance and things - saying we will cut national insurance and things like i saying we will cut national i insurance and things like that saying we will cut national - insurance and things like that but where _ insurance and things like that but where our— insurance and things like that but where our young _ insurance and things like that but where our young people - insurance and things like that but where our young people are - insurance and things like that but. where our young people are meant insurance and things like that but - where our young people are meant to -et where our young people are meant to get our— where our young people are meant to get our hope — where our young people are meant to get our hope from _ where our young people are meant to get our hope from about _ where our young people are meant to get our hope from about the - where our young people are meant to get our hope from about the future? i get our hope from about the future? 100% _ get our hope from about the future? 100% gdp _ get our hope from about the future? 100% gdp to— get our hope from about the future? 100% gdp to debt _ get our hope from about the future? 100% gdp to debt burden— get our hope from about the future? 100% gdp to debt burden is- get our hope from about the future? 100% gdp to debt burden isjust - 100% gdp to debt burden isjust inconceivable _ 100% gdp to debt burden isjust inconceivable to _ 100% gdp to debt burden isjust inconceivable to us. _ 100% gdp to debt burden isjust inconceivable to us. where - 100% gdp to debt burden isjust inconceivable to us. where are i 100% gdp to debt burden isjust | inconceivable to us. where are we meant _ inconceivable to us. where are we meant to— inconceivable to us. where are we meant to go— inconceivable to us. where are we meant to go in— inconceivable to us. where are we meant to go in our— inconceivable to us. where are we meant to go in our future - inconceivable to us. where are we meant to go in our future with - inconceivable to us. where are we i meant to go in our future with this? is hope _ meant to go in our future with this? is hope absolutely— meant to go in our future with this? is hope absolutely something - meant to go in our future with this? is hope absolutely something you . is hope absolutely something you should be offering people? absolutely anything that is what i find slightly depressing go into this particular election in that, yes, the conservatives are where they are, they have dug this whole, but we're not hearing that bush and one all tinted future from labour either. that make that vision of an alternative future. i remember there was a buzz around new labour, and i'm not hearing and feeling that kind of buzz around what will be change this year, keir starmer will be the prime minister before the end of this year, but what hope is being offered to young people, people of any age, by this alternative labour manifesto that frankly does not exist? which is why my party will take we will hold feed to the fire of whoever is in downing street. fair enough, you hold feet to the fire but you have been working with labour in a cooperation kind of deal in wales and i am lead of an opposition party, go into politics to do stuff for young people and our communities and if we can sit around in the senedd for five years doing nothing like the conservatives are, that's one way of doing it, or we can say, shall we try to influence government to do things? like introduce free _ government to do things? like introduce free school - government to do things? l as: introduce free school meals, get to grips with the housing market in areas where there has been a proliferation of second homes keeping young people out of the market, these are things we have been able to do and we are proud of doing. we have used this term in the senedd. , , �* ., ,, .., senedd. firstly, i'd appreciate where you're _ senedd. firstly, i'd appreciate where you're coming - senedd. firstly, i'd appreciate where you're coming from - senedd. firstly, i'd appreciate where you're coming from a l senedd. firstly, i'd appreciate - where you're coming from a resident, born and _ where you're coming from a resident, born and raised in newport not far from _ born and raised in newport not far from her. — born and raised in newport not far from her, represent the south east wales— from her, represent the south east wales and — from her, represent the south east wales and for me to be given new hope _ wales and for me to be given new hope is _ wales and for me to be given new hope is the — wales and for me to be given new hope is the exact reason i got into politics _ hope is the exact reason i got into politics i'm — hope is the exact reason i got into politics. i'm a victim of a brain drain, — politics. i'm a victim of a brain drain, left— politics. i'm a victim of a brain drain, left wales, spent 18 years away— drain, left wales, spent 18 years away because the salaries are lower, because _ away because the salaries are lower, because opportunities for my career was not _ because opportunities for my career was not here when i grew up, and i want— was not here when i grew up, and i want to— was not here when i grew up, and i want to create that wales is better for you _ want to create that wales is better for you print you talk about the nhs, _ for you print you talk about the nhs, education, opportunities, these are issues— nhs, education, opportunities, these are issues including the economy which _ are issues including the economy which you — are issues including the economy which you touched on, they are devolved — which you touched on, they are devolved issues here in wales ponder the people _ devolved issues here in wales ponder the people responsible for this are not the _ the people responsible for this are not the city in number 10 or westminster, they're right here next to me. _ westminster, they're right here next to me, bobbing the blame off on me and westminster as they have them continuously whether in power in labour— continuously whether in power in labour or— continuously whether in power in labour or by comery coalition, a labour— labour or by comery coalition, a labour government, whatever you call it, they _ labour government, whatever you call it, they are _ labour government, whatever you call it, they are the ones responsible for it— it, they are the ones responsible for it and — it, they are the ones responsible for it and it's about time they stood — for it and it's about time they stood up _ for it and it's about time they stood up and took responsible to rather— stood up and took responsible to rather than blaming westminster for short—changing them. the prime minister— short—changing them. the prime minister alone to be announced 20,000 — minister alone to be announced 20,000 apprenticeships put of these are opportunities, the funding is coming — are opportunities, the funding is coming from westminster, i wish the welsh _ coming from westminster, i wish the welsh government and plaid cymru and those others in power stood up and smell— those others in power stood up and smell the _ those others in power stood up and smell the coffee and made a change in indifference to create a better future _ in indifference to create a better future for — in indifference to create a better future for you. we in indifference to create a better future for you.— in indifference to create a better future for ou. ~ ' i: :: :: :: :: future for you. we delivered 100,000 apprenticeships _ future for you. we delivered 100,000 apprenticeships in _ future for you. we delivered 100,000 apprenticeships in the _ future for you. we delivered 100,000 apprenticeships in the last _ future for you. we delivered 100,000 apprenticeships in the last labour - apprenticeships in the last labour government in here so your 20,000 is scratching the surface. they government in here so your 20,000 is scratching the surface.— scratching the surface. they talk over each _ scratching the surface. they talk over each other _ over each other if you don't mind, 100,000 makes a huge difference and you talk about the population of 60 million and we have 3 million here. so there was a bit of hope for you i think it's important actually that we distinguish between a conservative party that has been in power for 13 years and has run this country into the ground in the hope that we are giving in wales, frankly. if you look at things like mental health, we have in school mental health support, we have community support for mental health, these are all things the labour party wants to roll out across the rest of the united kingdom. we have the one—on—one press 2 service that is making a huge difference to people —— the making a huge difference to people -- the 111 making a huge difference to people —— the 111 service. these are the kind of things that the labour government has looked at in wales and said that actually there's a lot we can learn from that and we are going to bring into the united kingdom because it is making a difference to people like you. lets talk more about _ difference to people like you. lets talk more about public services,. the strength of the economy is crucial to how much our public services get in funding according to politicians. let's talk more about public services in wales. how are things in the nhs right now in this part of wales? how are things in schools? i'm jerem , how are things in schools? i'm jeremy. l— how are things in schools? i'm jeremy. i work— how are things in schools? i'm jeremy, i work for _ how are things in schools? i'm jeremy, i work for aneurin bevan utility— jeremy, i work for aneurin bevan utility health _ jeremy, i work for aneurin bevan utility health board _ jeremy, i work for aneurin bevan utility health board i've _ jeremy, i work for aneurin bevan utility health board i've got- jeremy, i work for aneurin bevan utility health board i've got 29 i utility health board i've got 29 years — utility health board i've got 29 years of— utility health board i've got 29 years of service _ utility health board i've got 29 years of service and _ utility health board i've got 29 years of service and i - utility health board i've got 29 years of service and i love - utility health board i've got 29 - years of service and i love working for the _ years of service and i love working for the health— years of service and i love working for the health board. _ years of service and i love working for the health board. but- years of service and i love working for the health board. but right - for the health board. but right across, — for the health board. but right across, i— for the health board. but right across, lgot— for the health board. but right across, i got colleagues- for the health board. but right across, i got colleagues out i for the health board. but right - across, i got colleagues out there, clinical— across, i got colleagues out there, clinical colleagues— across, i got colleagues out there, clinical colleagues in— across, i got colleagues out there, clinical colleagues in wales - across, i got colleagues out there, clinical colleagues in wales and . across, i got colleagues out there, clinical colleagues in wales and in| clinical colleagues in wales and in england _ clinical colleagues in wales and in england as — clinical colleagues in wales and in england as well, _ clinical colleagues in wales and in england as well, speaking - clinical colleagues in wales and in england as well, speaking to - clinical colleagues in wales and in i england as well, speaking to them, the morale — england as well, speaking to them, the morale is — england as well, speaking to them, the morale is very— england as well, speaking to them, the morale is very low. _ england as well, speaking to them, the morale is very low.— england as well, speaking to them, the morale is very low. why? i- the morale is very low. why? i talked to _ the morale is very low. why? i talked to a _ the morale is very low. why? i talked to a colleague - the morale is very low. why? i talked to a colleague recently| the morale is very low.“ i. talked to a colleague recently and asked _ talked to a colleague recently and asked what — talked to a colleague recently and asked what would _ talked to a colleague recently and asked what would change - talked to a colleague recently and asked what would change that - talked to a colleague recently and | asked what would change that and talked to a colleague recently and - asked what would change that and she said happy— asked what would change that and she said happy patients _ asked what would change that and she said happy patients and _ asked what would change that and she said happy patients and that _ asked what would change that and she said happy patients and that really- said happy patients and that really resonated — said happy patients and that really resonated with— said happy patients and that really resonated with me _ said happy patients and that really resonated with me are _ said happy patients and that really resonated with me are you - said happy patients and that really resonated with me are you ever. said happy patients and that really. resonated with me are you ever going to get— resonated with me are you ever going to get them? — resonated with me are you ever going to get them? i— resonated with me are you ever going to get them? i asked _ resonated with me are you ever going to get them? i asked how— resonated with me are you ever going to get them? i asked how you - resonated with me are you ever going to get them? i asked how you do - resonated with me are you ever going to get them? i asked how you do thatj to get them? i asked how you do that and she _ to get them? i asked how you do that and she said — to get them? i asked how you do that and she said more _ to get them? i asked how you do that and she said more doctors _ to get them? i asked how you do that and she said more doctors and - to get them? i asked how you do that and she said more doctors and more| and she said more doctors and more staff and _ and she said more doctors and more staff and more — and she said more doctors and more staff and more funding, _ and she said more doctors and more staff and more funding, whatever. and she said more doctors and more| staff and more funding, whatever the funding _ staff and more funding, whatever the funding we _ staff and more funding, whatever the funding we have _ staff and more funding, whatever the funding we have got _ staff and more funding, whatever the funding we have got now— staff and more funding, whatever the funding we have got now is— staff and more funding, whatever the funding we have got now is not- funding we have got now is not enough — funding we have got now is not enough and _ funding we have got now is not enough and i_ funding we have got now is not enough. and i think— funding we have got now is not enough. and i think we - funding we have got now is not enough. and i think we need . funding we have got now is not| enough. and i think we need to funding we have got now is not- enough. and i think we need to get back to _ enough. and i think we need to get back to basics — enough. and i think we need to get back to basics and _ enough. and i think we need to get back to basics and put _ enough. and i think we need to get back to basics and put more - enough. and i think we need to getl back to basics and put more funding into the _ back to basics and put more funding into the nhs — back to basics and put more funding into the nhs-— into the nhs. please pass your microphone — into the nhs. please pass your microphone to _ into the nhs. please pass your microphone to the _ into the nhs. please pass your microphone to the gp - into the nhs. please pass your microphone to the gp on - into the nhs. please pass your microphone to the gp on the l into the nhs. please pass your. microphone to the gp on the front row. �* , ., , ., row. hi, i've been a gp in a little villare row. hi, i've been a gp in a little village up _ row. hi, i've been a gp in a little village up the — row. hi, i've been a gp in a little village up the road _ row. hi, i've been a gp in a little village up the road for _ row. hi, i've been a gp in a little village up the road for 25 - row. hi, i've been a gp in a little village up the road for 25 years i row. hi, i've been a gp in a little i village up the road for 25 years and the changes in those 25 years ijust extreme _ the changes in those 25 years ijust extreme and it's exactly as jeremy says. one — extreme and it's exactly as jeremy says, one of the things that really hurt my— says, one of the things that really hurt my team and gps across the uk i think is— hurt my team and gps across the uk i think is how— hurt my team and gps across the uk i think is how constantly we say sorry — think is how constantly we say sorry i— think is how constantly we say sorry. i get into the surgery at seven— sorry. i get into the surgery at seven and _ sorry. i get into the surgery at seven and i_ sorry. i get into the surgery at seven and i leave at about half past eight _ seven and i leave at about half past eight at _ seven and i leave at about half past eight at night and a pretty flat out the whole — eight at night and a pretty flat out the whole way through but i'm constantly saying, i'm so sorry you had to _ constantly saying, i'm so sorry you had to wait — constantly saying, i'm so sorry you had to wait four weeks to see me, i'm so— had to wait four weeks to see me, i'm so sorry— had to wait four weeks to see me, i'm so sorry i _ had to wait four weeks to see me, i'm so sorry i kept you waiting for 45 minutes — i'm so sorry i kept you waiting for 45 minutes to see me, because even with 15_ 45 minutes to see me, because even with 15 minute appointments, the patient and think have such complicated problems i cannot do everything in 15 minutes. you constantly feel this moral distress are not doing a good enoughjob despite doing your absolute best. and can i — despite doing your absolute best. and can i ask you what you want and where you take responsibility lies? because just over 80% of the welsh government's £20 billion budget comes from the uk government at westminster but obviously welsh ministers decide how it is spent. i think we understand there is a finite resource, there's only so much — finite resource, there's only so much money. i think we need to stop focusing _ much money. i think we need to stop focusing on the urgent instant problems and try to look a little bit more broadly. if we can invest so we _ bit more broadly. if we can invest so we can prevent problems, and we can do— so we can prevent problems, and we can do that _ so we can prevent problems, and we can do that really well in the community, if i had somewhere, you know, _ community, if i had somewhere, you know. we _ community, if i had somewhere, you know, we work hard at stopping smoking — know, we work hard at stopping smoking and helping people with alcohol— smoking and helping people with alcohol problems, trying to help people _ alcohol problems, trying to help people get fitter and healthier lives, — people get fitter and healthier lives, if— people get fitter and healthier lives, if we can invest in that stuff, — lives, if we can invest in that stuff, we _ lives, if we can invest in that stuff, we can stop people needing to id stuff, we can stop people needing to go into— stuff, we can stop people needing to go into hospitals and the people who have to _ go into hospitals and the people who have to go _ go into hospitals and the people who have to go into hospitals will have beds _ have to go into hospitals will have beds to _ have to go into hospitals will have beds to go— have to go into hospitals will have beds to go into. and equally, we want _ beds to go into. and equally, we want to— beds to go into. and equally, we want to look after people closer to homer _ want to look after people closer to home, we — want to look after people closer to home, we want to keep people with chronic— home, we want to keep people with chronic illnesses, we have an ageing population— chronic illnesses, we have an ageing population often living with lots of illness, _ population often living with lots of illness, we want to look after them in their— illness, we want to look after them in their own — illness, we want to look after them in their own homes but to do that we need _ in their own homes but to do that we need to— in their own homes but to do that we need to invest in the community. and £1 need to invest in the community. and it spent— need to invest in the community. and it spent in— need to invest in the community. and £1 spent in the community goes a lot further— £1 spent in the community goes a lot further than — £1 spent in the community goes a lot further than £1 spent in hospital. if we _ further than £1 spent in hospital. if we can — further than £1 spent in hospital. if we can keep people at home, they are happier— if we can keep people at home, they are happier as well which is what our patients want and then we get our patients want and then we get our happier patients. why our patients want and then we get our happier patients.— our patients want and then we get our happier patients. why do you do the 'ob ou our happier patients. why do you do the job you do _ our happier patients. why do you do the job you do if _ our happier patients. why do you do the job you do if you're _ our happier patients. why do you do the job you do if you're constantly . the job you do if you're constantly having to say sorry to people? because i say sorry a lot but i also have _ because i say sorry a lot but i also have the _ because i say sorry a lot but i also have the bestjob in the world, and honestly. _ have the bestjob in the world, and honestly, every day i go into the surgery— honestly, every day i go into the surgery there will be at least someone who says thank you, you've really _ someone who says thank you, you've really made — someone who says thank you, you've really made a difference, and you can't _ really made a difference, and you can't get — really made a difference, and you can't get a — really made a difference, and you can't get a betterjob than that, it's a _ can't get a betterjob than that, it's a wonderfuljob. fair can't get a betterjob than that, it's a wonderfuljob. it's a wonderful 'ob. fair enough. amuse — applause hi. my name is sharon, a teacher for the last 28 — hi. my name is sharon, a teacher for the last 28 years. _ hi. my name is sharon, a teacher for the last 28 years. i _ hi. my name is sharon, a teacher for the last 28 years. i teach _ hi. my name is sharon, a teacher for the last 28 years. i teach about - hi. my name is sharon, a teacher for the last 28 years. i teach about 60 i the last 28 years. i teach about 60 miles— the last 28 years. i teach about 60 miles from — the last 28 years. i teach about 60 miles from here _ the last 28 years. i teach about 60 miles from here but _ the last 28 years. i teach about 60 miles from here but i'm _ the last 28 years. i teach about 60 miles from here but i'm also- the last 28 years. i teach about 60 miles from here but i'm also a - the last 28 years. i teach about 60 i miles from here but i'm also a trade union— miles from here but i'm also a trade union official, — miles from here but i'm also a trade union official, represent _ miles from here but i'm also a trade union official, represent the - union official, represent the nraiority_ union official, represent the majority of— union official, represent the majority of teachers - union official, represent the majority of teachers in - union official, represent the - majority of teachers in monmouth and i'd like _ majority of teachers in monmouth and i'd like to— majority of teachers in monmouth and i'd like to come — majority of teachers in monmouth and i'd like to come back— majority of teachers in monmouth and i'd like to come back on _ majority of teachers in monmouth and i'd like to come back on to _ majority of teachers in monmouth and i'd like to come back on to make - i'd like to come back on to make things— i'd like to come back on to make things the — i'd like to come back on to make things the panel— i'd like to come back on to make things the panel said _ i'd like to come back on to make things the panel said that - i'd like to come back on to make things the panel said that you i i'd like to come back on to make - things the panel said that you spoke about— things the panel said that you spoke about apprenticeships _ things the panel said that you spoke about apprenticeships and _ things the panel said that you spoke about apprenticeships and about. about apprenticeships and about nrental— about apprenticeships and about mental health— about apprenticeships and about mental health services - about apprenticeships and about mental health services in - about apprenticeships and about i mental health services in schools. neither— mental health services in schools. neither of— mental health services in schools. neither of those _ mental health services in schools. neither of those things _ mental health services in schools. neither of those things are - mental health services in schools. neither of those things are seen l neither of those things are seen day-to-day_ neither of those things are seen day-to-day by— neither of those things are seen day-to-day by my _ neither of those things are seen day—to—day by my colleagues. . neither of those things are seen i day—to—day by my colleagues. we neither of those things are seen - day—to—day by my colleagues. we are in the _ day—to—day by my colleagues. we are in the worst— day—to—day by my colleagues. we are in the worst cost _ day—to—day by my colleagues. we are in the worst cost of— day—to—day by my colleagues. we are in the worst cost of living _ day—to—day by my colleagues. we are in the worst cost of living crisis - in the worst cost of living crisis ever— in the worst cost of living crisis ever we — in the worst cost of living crisis ever we are _ in the worst cost of living crisis everwe are in— in the worst cost of living crisis everwe are in a _ in the worst cost of living crisis ever we are in a teacher- in the worst cost of living crisis - ever we are in a teacher recruitment crisisr _ ever we are in a teacher recruitment crisis. we _ ever we are in a teacher recruitment crisis. we will— ever we are in a teacher recruitment crisis. we will not _ ever we are in a teacher recruitment crisis, we will not have _ ever we are in a teacher recruitment crisis, we will not have doctors, - ever we are in a teacher recruitment crisis, we will not have doctors, wei crisis, we will not have doctors, we will not _ crisis, we will not have doctors, we will not have — crisis, we will not have doctors, we will not have a _ crisis, we will not have doctors, we will not have a health _ crisis, we will not have doctors, we will not have a health service - crisis, we will not have doctors, we will not have a health service if- crisis, we will not have doctors, we will not have a health service if wel will not have a health service if we don't _ will not have a health service if we don't invest— will not have a health service if we don't invest in— will not have a health service if we don't invest in education. - will not have a health service if we don't invest in education. so - will not have a health service if we don't invest in education. so i - will not have a health service if wei don't invest in education. so i want to ask— don't invest in education. so i want to ask what — don't invest in education. so i want to ask what you _ don't invest in education. so i want to ask what you propose _ don't invest in education. so i want to ask what you propose to - don't invest in education. so i want to ask what you propose to do - don't invest in education. so i want to ask what you propose to do to l to ask what you propose to do to make _ to ask what you propose to do to make up— to ask what you propose to do to make up for— to ask what you propose to do to make up for the _ to ask what you propose to do to make up for the shortfall- to ask what you propose to do to make up for the shortfall of- to ask what you propose to do to make up for the shortfall of 14 l make up for the shortfall of 14 years— make up for the shortfall of 14 years of— make up for the shortfall of 14 years of successive _ make up for the shortfall of 14 years of successive tory- make up for the shortfall of 14 years of successive tory cuts i make up for the shortfall of mi years of successive tory cuts to education? _ years of successive tory cuts to education? because _ years of successive tory cuts to education? because we - years of successive tory cuts to education? because we were i years of successive tory cuts to education? because we were in years of successive tory cuts to - education? because we were in the worst— education? because we were in the worst crisis — education? because we were in the worst crisis we've _ education? because we were in the worst crisis we've ever— education? because we were in the worst crisis we've ever seen. - worst crisis we've ever seen. education _ worst crisis we've ever seen. education and _ worst crisis we've ever seen. education and health - worst crisis we've ever seen. education and health are - worst crisis we've ever seen. - education and health are obviously devolved. but the westminster government conservative government would say they have ring fenced nhs spending and education. is not would say they have ring fenced nhs spending and education.— spending and education. is not what we are seeing _ spending and education. is not what we are seeing on _ spending and education. is not what we are seeing on the _ spending and education. is not what we are seeing on the chalk - spending and education. is not what we are seeing on the chalk face. - we are seeing on the chalk face. even _ we are seeing on the chalk face. even in — we are seeing on the chalk face. even in this— we are seeing on the chalk face. even in this borough, _ we are seeing on the chalk face. even in this borough, 5%- we are seeing on the chalk face. even in this borough, 5% cuts. we are seeing on the chalk face. even in this borough, 5% cuts to every— even in this borough, 5% cuts to every school's _ even in this borough, 5% cuts to every school's budget, - even in this borough, 5% cuts to every school's budget, which - even in this borough, 5% cuts to - every school's budget, which means 'ob every school's budget, which means job losses — every school's budget, which means 'ob losses. ~ ., ., , ., . job losses. who are you directing that too? labour _ job losses. who are you directing that too? labour or _ job losses. who are you directing | that too? labour or conservative? conservatives.— that too? labour or conservative? conservatives. ., . ., ., conservatives. even though education is devolved? — conservatives. even though education is devolved? as _ conservatives. even though education is devolved? as you _ conservatives. even though education is devolved? as you say _ conservatives. even though education is devolved? as you say quite - is devolved? as you say quite rirhtl , is devolved? as you say quite rightly. the — is devolved? as you say quite rightly, the majority - is devolved? as you say quite rightly, the majority of - is devolved? as you say quite rightly, the majority of the i is devolved? as you say quite - rightly, the majority of the funding comes— rightly, the majority of the funding comes from — rightly, the majority of the funding comes from westminster, - rightly, the majority of the funding comes from westminster, you - rightly, the majority of the funding i comes from westminster, you cannot spend _ comes from westminster, you cannot spend well— comes from westminster, you cannot spend well if— comes from westminster, you cannot spend well if you _ comes from westminster, you cannot spend well if you don't _ comes from westminster, you cannot spend well if you don't have - comes from westminster, you cannot spend well if you don't have enough. spend well if you don't have enough to spend _ spend well if you don't have enough to spend l'rn — spend well if you don't have enough to send. �* ., ., ., ~ spend well if you don't have enough to send, �* ., ., ., ~' , , to spend. i'm going to talk firstly about the medical _ to spend. i'm going to talk firstly about the medical questions - to spend. i'm going to talk firstly about the medical questions thatj about the medical questions that came through and imagined happy patients, i want to see happy doctors and nurses. you do such a great service for so many people and i know how overworked you are, i work closely with the royal college of nursing and gp practitioners and one thing that really strikes me is that everyone is getting to the point of burnout. so many people are leaving the profession because they can't handle the pressure and the paperwork and quite frankly the stress. i want to see a wales swiping with more doctors and nurses, better health care... riff nurses, better health care... of course you do, everyone does. nurses, better health care... of- course you do, everyone does. this is where money _ course you do, everyone does. this is where money is _ course you do, everyone does. in 3 is where money is being mismanaged i come back to education as well because i won't ignore it. you are absolutely right, health and education are devolved but the way money given to wales by westminster as been so badly mismanaged, it broke my heart to sit on those branches in cardiff. £155.5 million... over each other i'm giving you plating honesty right now. it i'm giving you plating honesty right now. , . , , ., , i'm giving you plating honesty right now. , . ., now. it is in crisis as it health care across — now. it is in crisis as it health care across the _ now. it is in crisis as it health care across the uk, - now. it is in crisis as it health care across the uk, 14 - now. it is in crisis as it health care across the uk, 14 years | now. it is in crisis as it health. care across the uk, 14 years of now. it is in crisis as it health - care across the uk, 14 years of tory ministration — care across the uk, 14 years of tory ministration. lt— care across the uk, 14 years of tory ministration-— ministration. it is devolved to wales, ministration. it is devolved to wales. you — ministration. it is devolved to wales, you can't _ ministration. it is devolved to wales, you can't negate - ministration. it is devolved to wales, you can't negate that| ministration. it is devolved to - wales, you can't negate that fact. unfortunately, health and education and economy, all the issues your talk about, agriculture include,... why do we have the nhs england and the education — why do we have the nhs england and the education service _ why do we have the nhs england and the education service in— the education service in england? you want — the education service in england? you want to— the education service in england? you want to talk— the education service in england? you want to talk about _ the education service in england? you want to talk about in - the education service in england? you want to talk about in fine - the education service in england? | you want to talk about in fine print of every pound spent per head in england, wales is given £1.20 but that's not being spent per head here, only £1.05 is being spent so where is it going? why is it not been given to the nhs? let’s where is it going? why is it not been given to the nhs? let's hear from labour— been given to the nhs? let's hear from labour let _ been given to the nhs? let's hear from labour let me _ been given to the nhs? let's hear from labour let me give _ been given to the nhs? let's hear from labour let me give some - been given to the nhs? let's hear| from labour let me give some facts for our audience across the country, a high proportion of people in wales are on waiting list compared to england, is 21.7% in wales, the latest figures from november 23 and in england it is 13.4 prcic is present —— 13.46%. wedding list were rising in both england and wales before the pandemic. —— waiting lists. before the pandemic. -- waiting lists. ~ , . ., , ., lists. we see in wales we have 2 million contacts _ lists. we see in wales we have 2 million contacts per— lists. we see in wales we have 2 million contacts per month - lists. we see in wales we have 2 million contacts per month in . lists. we see in wales we have 2 million contacts per month in a i million contacts per month in a population of 3 million people. the demand _ population of 3 million people. the demand for our services is absolutely insatiable. so we're to manage _ absolutely insatiable. so we're to manage that and one of the things we're _ manage that and one of the things we're doing is employing more people in the _ we're doing is employing more people in the nhs _ we're doing is employing more people in the nhs than ever 105,000 people now employed in wales. we are recruiting. — now employed in wales. we are recruiting, training more than ever before _ recruiting, training more than ever before if— recruiting, training more than ever before. if you look at what we are trying _ before. if you look at what we are trying to — before. if you look at what we are trying to do — before. if you look at what we are trying to do in terms of shifting to that preventative approach, we are trying _ that preventative approach, we are trying to _ that preventative approach, we are trying to do that. we have changed the gp_ trying to do that. we have changed the gp contract so that now a tame bottleneck— the gp contract so that now a tame bottleneck you have seen in england where _ bottleneck you have seen in england where people are screaming about it, we have _ where people are screaming about it, we have more or would have that in wales— we have more or would have that in wales -- _ we have more or would have that in wales —— atm bottleneck. you have got 60% of the people who live on _ you have got 60% of the people who live on the _ you have got 60% of the people who live on the border, so you have got 60% of— live on the border, so you have got 60% of people living on the border compared — 60% of people living on the border compared to the ones living in wales they are _ compared to the ones living in wales they are registering with gps in wales— they are registering with gps in wales because they are more satisfied _ wales because they are more satisfied with the service. if you look— satisfied with the service. if you look at — satisfied with the service. if you look at what we are doing in terms of pharmacies, we are trying to take the pressure off gps, far more support— the pressure off gps, far more support for the pharmacies in the community. 27 things they can do in pharmacies— community. 27 things they can do in pharmacies in wales, something that is long—standing, seven that they offer— is long—standing, seven that they offer in _ is long—standing, seven that they offer in england. is is long-standing, seven that they offer in england.— is long-standing, seven that they offer in england. is every penny and an bein: offer in england. is every penny and pan being spent _ offer in england. is every penny and pan being spent efficiently - offer in england. is every penny and pan being spent efficiently because | pan being spent efficiently because that was the charge the conservatives?- that was the charge the conservatives? ~ , , ., that was the charge the conservatives? ~ ,, ., ':: conservatives? we spend about £10 billion on it. — conservatives? we spend about £10 billion on it. i— conservatives? we spend about £10 billion on it, i can't _ conservatives? we spend about £10 billion on it, i can't account - conservatives? we spend about £10 billion on it, i can't account for- billion on it, i can't account for every— billion on it, i can't account for every single penny, but i can tell you that — every single penny, but i can tell you that 60% of everything we stand in relation _ you that 60% of everything we stand in relation to health is on staffing and 10% — in relation to health is on staffing and 10% is — in relation to health is on staffing and 10% is on medicines. so this is money i _ and 10% is on medicines. so this is money i think that is well spent. we do need _ money i think that is well spent. we do need to— money i think that is well spent. we do need to make sure we get better efficiencies but i think that shift to the _ efficiencies but i think that shift to the community, optometry we have changed _ to the community, optometry we have changed the law, we are changing the law in— changed the law, we are changing the law in relation to radiology. the issues my _ law in relation to radiology. the: issues my constituents law in relation to radiology. iie: issues my constituents face law in relation to radiology. ““iie: issues my constituents face are exactly the same. if you are in a rural part of england you are facing exactly the same problems. people can't see an nhs dentist, you can't see an nhs dentist in north shropshire. see an nhs dentist in north shrapshire-_ see an nhs dentist in north shroshire. �* , . . ., shropshire. are people managing to find nhs dentists _ shropshire. are people managing to find nhs dentists in _ shropshire. are people managing to find nhs dentists in this _ shropshire. are people managing to find nhs dentists in this part - shropshire. are people managing to find nhs dentists in this part of - find nhs dentists in this part of the world? i will come back to. i the world? i will come back to. i live in newport, i am originally from _ live in newport, i am originally from bristol _ live in newport, i am originally from bristol. 0n— live in newport, i am originally from bristol. 0n the _ live in newport, i am originally from bristol. 0n the point- live in newport, i am originally from bristol. 0n the point of. live in newport, i am originally- from bristol. 0n the point of people from bristol. 0n the point of people from bristol— from bristol. 0n the point of people from bristol getting _ from bristol. 0n the point of people from bristol getting doctors- from bristol. 0n the point of people from bristol getting doctors here, . from bristol. 0n the point of people from bristol getting doctors here, ii from bristol getting doctors here, i don't _ from bristol getting doctors here, i don't want — from bristol getting doctors here, i don't want to — from bristol getting doctors here, i don't want to say— from bristol getting doctors here, i don't want to say who _ from bristol getting doctors here, i don't want to say who my- from bristol getting doctors here, i don't want to say who my doctor i from bristol getting doctors here, i| don't want to say who my doctor is, but my— don't want to say who my doctor is, but my doctor — don't want to say who my doctor is, but my doctor is _ don't want to say who my doctor is, but my doctor is still _ don't want to say who my doctor is, but my doctor is still in _ don't want to say who my doctor is, but my doctor is still in bristol. - don't want to say who my doctor is, but my doctor is still in bristol. i. but my doctor is still in bristol. i don't _ but my doctor is still in bristol. i don't want — but my doctor is still in bristol. i don't want to _ but my doctor is still in bristol. i don't want to get _ but my doctor is still in bristol. i don't want to get a _ but my doctor is still in bristol. i don't want to get a doctor - but my doctor is still in bristol. i don't want to get a doctor in - don't want to get a doctor in newport— don't want to get a doctor in newport because _ don't want to get a doctor in newport because i- don't want to get a doctor in newport because i am - don't want to get a doctor in newport because i am being don't want to get a doctor in - newport because i am being told i might— newport because i am being told i might not— newport because i am being told i might not be — newport because i am being told i might not be able _ newport because i am being told i might not be able to _ newport because i am being told i might not be able to get - newport because i am being told i might not be able to get an- might not be able to get an appointment _ might not be able to get an appointment. that- might not be able to get an appointment. that is- might not be able to get an appointment. that is from| might not be able to get an- appointment. that is from people i know— appointment. that is from people i know in_ appointment. that is from people i know in the — appointment. that is from people i know in the area. _ appointment. that is from people i know in the area. i— appointment. that is from people i know in the area. i know— appointment. that is from people i know in the area. i know you - appointment. that is from people i know in the area. i know you are l know in the area. i know you are nodding — know in the area. i know you are nodding what _ know in the area. i know you are nodding. what frustrates - know in the area. i know you are nodding. what frustrates me - know in the area. i know you are i nodding. what frustrates me the know in the area. i know you are - nodding. what frustrates me the most as i don't_ nodding. what frustrates me the most as i don't think— nodding. what frustrates me the most as i don't think you _ nodding. what frustrates me the most as i don't think you are _ nodding. what frustrates me the most as i don't think you are listening - as i don't think you are listening to our— as i don't think you are listening to our questions. _ as i don't think you are listening to our questions. the _ as i don't think you are listening to our questions. the question. as i don't think you are listening i to our questions. the question was how can _ to our questions. the question was how can you — to our questions. the question was how can you improve _ to our questions. the question was how can you improve the _ to our questions. the question was how can you improve the service? i to our questions. the question was i how can you improve the service? you are talking _ how can you improve the service? you are talking about — how can you improve the service? you are talking about £1.20, _ how can you improve the service? you are talking about £1.20, that - how can you improve the service? you are talking about £1.20, that is - how can you improve the service? you are talking about £1.20, that is not. are talking about £1.20, that is not what _ are talking about £1.20, that is not what she _ are talking about £1.20, that is not what she said _ are talking about £1.20, that is not what she said. she _ are talking about £1.20, that is not what she said. she is _ are talking about £1.20, that is not what she said. she is on _ are talking about £1.20, that is not what she said. she is on the - are talking about £1.20, that is not| what she said. she is on the ground working _ what she said. she is on the ground working on— what she said. she is on the ground working on the _ what she said. she is on the ground working on the job _ what she said. she is on the ground working on the job and _ what she said. she is on the ground working on the job and you - what she said. she is on the ground working on the job and you are - what she said. she is on the ground working on the job and you are not| working on the job and you are not listening — working on the job and you are not listening how— working on the job and you are not listening. how are _ working on the job and you are not listening. how are you _ working on the job and you are not listening. how are you going - working on the job and you are not listening. how are you going to - listening. how are you going to improve — listening. how are you going to improve iife _ listening. how are you going to improve life for— listening. how are you going to improve life for us? _ listening. how are you going to improve life for us? i— listening. how are you going to improve life for us? i know- listening. how are you going to improve life for us? i know it . listening. how are you going to improve life for us? i know it is £i~20 _ improve life for us? i know it is mo and — improve life for us? i know it is mo and ii. _ improve life for us? i know it is £1.20 and £1,but_ improve life for us? i know it is £1.20 and £1, but that - improve life for us? i know it is £1.20 and £1, but that will not| £1.20 and £1, but that will not improve — £1.20 and £1, but that will not improve iife _ £1.20 and £1, but that will not improve life for— £1.20 and £1, but that will not improve life for us. _ £1.20 and £1, but that will not improve life for us. it- £1.20 and £1, but that will not improve life for us. it is- £1.20 and £1, but that will not improve life for us. it is bad . £1.20 and £1, but that will noti improve life for us. it is bad in the whole _ improve life for us. it is bad in the whole of— improve life for us. it is bad in the whole of the _ improve life for us. it is bad in the whole of the uk, - improve life for us. it is bad in the whole of the uk, not - improve life for us. it is bad in the whole of the uk, notjust. improve life for us. it is bad in- the whole of the uk, notjust wales. you are _ the whole of the uk, notjust wales. you are saying — the whole of the uk, notjust wales. you are saying wales _ the whole of the uk, notjust wales. you are saying wales is _ the whole of the uk, notjust wales. you are saying wales is devolved, . you are saying wales is devolved, but what — you are saying wales is devolved, but what about _ you are saying wales is devolved, but what about the _ you are saying wales is devolved, but what about the rest _ you are saying wales is devolved, but what about the rest of- you are saying wales is devolved, but what about the rest of the - you are saying wales is devolved, i but what about the rest of the uk? you are saying wales is devolved, . but what about the rest of the uk? i used to— but what about the rest of the uk? i used to live — but what about the rest of the uk? i used to live in — but what about the rest of the uk? i used to live in bristol— but what about the rest of the uk? i used to live in bristol and _ but what about the rest of the uk? i used to live in bristol and i don't - used to live in bristol and i don't see much— used to live in bristol and i don't see much of a _ used to live in bristol and i don't see much of a difference - used to live in bristol and i don't see much of a difference to be . see much of a difference to be honest why— see much of a difference to be honest why is— see much of a difference to be honest. why is it _ see much of a difference to be honest. why is it so bad - see much of a difference to be honest. why is it so bad in the whole of— honest. why is it so bad in the whole of the uk. _ honest. why is it so bad in the whole of the uk. stop - honest. why is it so bad in the - whole of the uk. stop talking about numbers and — whole of the uk. stop talking about numbers and give _ whole of the uk. stop talking about numbers and give us— whole of the uk. stop talking about numbers and give us the _ whole of the uk. stop talking about numbers and give us the truth. - whole of the uk. stop talking about i numbers and give us the truth. when you say— numbers and give us the truth. when you say things — numbers and give us the truth. when you say things like _ numbers and give us the truth. when you say things like you are _ numbers and give us the truth. when you say things like you are going - numbers and give us the truth. when you say things like you are going to l you say things like you are going to -et you say things like you are going to get poiice _ you say things like you are going to get police officers, _ you say things like you are going to get police officers, get _ you say things like you are going to get police officers, get them. - you say things like you are going to get police officers, get them. i- get police officers, get them. i don't _ get police officers, get them. i don't like — get police officers, get them. i don't like the _ get police officers, get them. i don't like the fact _ get police officers, get them. i don't like the fact that - get police officers, get them. i don't like the fact that when i get police officers, get them. i. don't like the fact that when mps say certain— don't like the fact that when mps say certain things they— don't like the fact that when mps say certain things they don't - don't like the fact that when mps| say certain things they don't stick to their— say certain things they don't stick to their word _ say certain things they don't stick to their word. give _ say certain things they don't stick to their word. give it a _ say certain things they don't stick to their word. give it a couple ofi to their word. give it a couple of years— to their word. give it a couple of years and — to their word. give it a couple of years and you _ to their word. give it a couple of years and you change _ to their word. give it a couple of years and you change your- to their word. give it a couple of- years and you change your mind. you changed _ years and you change your mind. you changed your mind _ years and you change your mind. you changed your mind about the - years and you change your mind. you changed your mind about the trains l changed your mind about the trains and loads— changed your mind about the trains and loads of— changed your mind about the trains and loads of things. _ changed your mind about the trains and loads of things. when- changed your mind about the trains and loads of things. when will- changed your mind about the trains and loads of things. when will you i and loads of things. when will you stick to— and loads of things. when will you stick to your word? _ and loads of things. when will you stick to your word? stick- and loads of things. when will you stick to your word? stick to - and loads of things. when will you stick to your word? stick to your. stick to your word? stick to your word _ stick to your word? stick to your word and — stick to your word? stick to your word and he _ stick to your word? stick to your word and be honourable. - stick to your word? stick to your word and be honourable. [- stick to your word? stick to your word and be honourable. i need to go back to helen — word and be honourable. i need to go back to helen very briefly. _ word and be honourable. i need to go back to helen very briefly. i _ back to helen very briefly. i consider myself an honourable politician and i mean what i say. i understand where you are coming from. waiting lists are less in england and they are in wales. when you talk about comparisons, generally people in england are happier with the medical treatment they are receiving compared to wales because they are getting that funding. they are getting that support. funding. they are getting that su ort. ~ ., . funding. they are getting that su--ort. . , ., support. helen morgan, carry on. there are — support. helen morgan, carry on. there are a — support. helen morgan, carry on. there are a lot _ support. helen morgan, carry on. there are a lot of— support. helen morgan, carry on. there are a lot of issues - support. helen morgan, carry on. there are a lot of issues around l there are a lot of issues around recruitment and our gps are experiencing burnout. they are still not getting through everybody because the demand is much higher. we need _ because the demand is much higher. we need to— because the demand is much higher. we need to acknowledge this is not 'ust we need to acknowledge this is not just about — we need to acknowledge this is not just about money, it is about people as weii~ _ just about money, it is about people as well. what we are short of in shropshire _ as well. what we are short of in shropshire is people to do the job. you have _ shropshire is people to do the job. you have to — shropshire is people to do the job. you have to deal with that by training — you have to deal with that by training more people and in the short— training more people and in the short term because it takes seven years— short term because it takes seven years at— short term because it takes seven years at least to train a decent doctor — years at least to train a decent doctor in— years at least to train a decent doctor. in the short term we will have _ doctor. in the short term we will have to — doctor. in the short term we will have to bring in people from elsewhere. the conservatives have made _ elsewhere. the conservatives have made decisions about where they will cut made decisions about where they will out money— made decisions about where they will cut money and cut spending and cut tax, cut money and cut spending and cut tax. but _ cut money and cut spending and cut tax. but our— cut money and cut spending and cut tax, but our choices, for example, they— tax, but our choices, for example, they cut _ tax, but our choices, for example, they cut the — tax, but our choices, for example, they cut the banking levy, they cut they cut the banking levy, they cut the banking surcharge, that is giving — the banking surcharge, that is giving money away to banking corporations that could have been spent _ corporations that could have been spent on — corporations that could have been spent on public services. while we are talkin: spent on public services. while we are talking about _ spent on public services. while we are talking about the _ spent on public services. while we are talking about the economy - spent on public services. while we | are talking about the economy and public services, there are reports, which i wanted to ask you about, which i wanted to ask you about, which may be aware of, you may have heard on the radio or read it in the newspaper, very small minority of conservative mps are talking about trying to replace the current prime minister. replacing rishi sunak with somebody else. what do you think about that? if you think about what has happened with the government over the last 13 years and a number of changes of leadership they have been and what the panel has set about austerity and low police numbers, and the fact the health service is on its knees and the public transport system doesn't work and the fact we have got local authorities declaring bankruptcy, yes, sure, let's have another leadership election. if you look at their track record, it is not a leadership issue. it is the whole party and they have to go. tbs, whole party and they have to go. a quick word. what you think of the fact that a small number of conservative mps it is reported are having conversations about replacing rishi sunak? i having conversations about replacing rishi sunak? ., having conversations about replacing rishi sunak?— rishi sunak? i am from abergavenny and i am retired. _ rishi sunak? i am from abergavenny and i am retired. to _ rishi sunak? i am from abergavenny and i am retired. to go _ rishi sunak? i am from abergavenny and i am retired. to go back- rishi sunak? i am from abergavenny and i am retired. to go back to - rishi sunak? i am from abergavenny and i am retired. to go back to the l and i am retired. to go back to the health— and i am retired. to go back to the health issue. — and i am retired. to go back to the health issue, how much money do you keep putting into the health service, _ keep putting into the health service, but i have got no problem with mark — service, but i have got no problem with mark drakeford or anybody in either— with mark drakeford or anybody in either political party standing down and then— either political party standing down and then a new leader being elected, but should _ and then a new leader being elected, but should they call an election? what _ but should they call an election? what do — but should they call an election? what do you think? | but should they call an election? what do you think?— what do you think? i think they should call— what do you think? i think they should call an _ what do you think? i think they should call an election - what do you think? i think they should call an election because | what do you think? i think they - should call an election because the last uk_ should call an election because the last uk government was elected under borisjohnson and yet last uk government was elected under boris johnson and yet we have rishi soon accents. boris johnson and yet we have rishi soon accents— boris johnson and yet we have rishi soon accents-— soon accents. what do you think of the story? — soon accents. what do you think of the story? i — soon accents. what do you think of the story? i have _ soon accents. what do you think of the story? i have heard _ soon accents. what do you think of the story? i have heard a _ soon accents. what do you think of the story? i have heard a lot - soon accents. what do you think of the story? i have heard a lot of - the story? i have heard a lot of stories and _ the story? i have heard a lot of stories and you _ the story? i have heard a lot of stories and you hear _ the story? i have heard a lot of stories and you hear about - stories and you hear about backbenchers playing sniper games and theories about toppling the prime minister. i don't think that will be the case.— will be the case. your colleagues are having _ will be the case. your colleagues are having this _ will be the case. your colleagues are having this conversation. - will be the case. your colleagues are having this conversation. i i are having this conversation. i think all of our mps need to unite together and get behind the prime minister and get ready for an election. i am an optimist, i believe in the prime minister and i have faith he will pull it off. pull it off, what _ have faith he will pull it off. pull it off, what do _ have faith he will pull it off. pull it off, what do you _ have faith he will pull it off. pull it off, what do you mean? win l have faith he will pull it off. pull l it off, what do you mean? win the election. it off, what do you mean? win the election- l — it off, what do you mean? win the election. i have _ it off, what do you mean? win the election. i have full— it off, what do you mean? win the election. i have full confidence - it off, what do you mean? win the election. i have full confidence in l election. i have full confidence in him. you can laugh. it is election. i have full confidence in him. you can laugh.— election. i have full confidence in him. you can laugh. it is a game to them, time — him. you can laugh. it is a game to them. time is _ him. you can laugh. it is a game to them, time is up _ him. you can laugh. it is a game to them, time is up for _ him. you can laugh. it is a game to them, time is up for the _ them, time is up for the conservatives. they may try to change — conservatives. they may try to change the leader again, i doubt they will— change the leader again, i doubt they will do it, but they are thinking _ they will do it, but they are thinking about it because they are trying _ thinking about it because they are trying to— thinking about it because they are trying to buy more time. there is no more _ trying to buy more time. there is no more time _ trying to buy more time. there is no more time for — trying to buy more time. there is no more time for them to buy. we are all fed up— more time for them to buy. we are all fed up of this government and it is time _ all fed up of this government and it is time for— all fed up of this government and it is time for a — all fed up of this government and it is time for a change. i would like to see _ is time for a change. i would like to see a — is time for a change. i would like to see a little bit more vision in the change _ to see a little bit more vision in the change that we get. we to see a little bit more vision in the change that we get. we have got a few minutes _ the change that we get. we have got a few minutes left _ the change that we get. we have got a few minutes left of _ the change that we get. we have got a few minutes left of the _ the change that we get. we have got| a few minutes left of the programme, i think. next, we're going to talk about one subject that so far you said you definitely wanted to talk about this evening — pollution. there are two rivers nearby, the river usk and the river wye. hello. my name is angela jones, i live in monmouthshire. _ hello. my name is angela jones, i live in monmouthshire. my - hello. my name is angela jones, i live in monmouthshire. my river i hello. my name is angela jones, i | live in monmouthshire. my river is river wye. live in monmouthshire. my river is riverwye. i live in monmouthshire. my river is river wye. i have been swimming in it for over 110 years and i have a business taking people while swimming. and adventures. this river is on the verge of ecological collapse. it is the nation's favourite river and through agricultural pollution and sewerage hitting our ever it is in a diabolical state. hitting our ever it is in a diabolicalstate. for hitting our ever it is in a diabolical state. for the last six years i have been campaigning for this river and the river usk, but all rivers in the uk are in a terrible state.— all rivers in the uk are in a terrible state. . ., all rivers in the uk are in a terrible state. . . . terrible state. imagine farming. we have a number— terrible state. imagine farming. we have a number farmers _ terrible state. imagine farming. we have a number farmers here. - terrible state. imagine farming. we have a number farmers here. can . terrible state. imagine farming. we have a number farmers here. can i | have a number farmers here. can i brina in have a number farmers here. can i bring in farming? _ have a number farmers here. can i bring in farming? i _ have a number farmers here. can i bring in farming? i would - have a number farmers here. can i bring in farming? i would love to say there are good farmers out there doing it the right way and protecting our environment, but then you have got the intensive poultry units and the big farmers that have got no respect whatsoever for our rivers and our wildlife and we need to bring attention to that as well. you have done that angela. namely, you are a dairy farmer. i am you have done that angela. namely, you are a dairy farmer.— you are a dairy farmer. i am a sheep and beef farmer. _ you are a dairy farmer. i am a sheep and beef farmer. i— you are a dairy farmer. i am a sheep and beef farmer. i beg _ you are a dairy farmer. i am a sheep and beef farmer. i beg your- you are a dairy farmer. i am a sheep and beef farmer. i beg your pardon. | and beef farmer. i beg your pardon. in terms and beef farmer. i beg your pardon. in terms of— and beef farmer. i beg your pardon. in terms of pollution _ and beef farmer. i beg your pardon. in terms of pollution from _ and beef farmer. i beg your pardon. in terms of pollution from certain i in terms of pollution from certain farms into those rivers, what do you say? i know you are not speaking on behalf of all farmers. i say? i know you are not speaking on behalf of all farmers.— behalf of all farmers. i can speak on behalf of _ behalf of all farmers. i can speak on behalf of a _ behalf of all farmers. i can speak on behalf of a lot _ behalf of all farmers. i can speak on behalf of a lot of— behalf of all farmers. i can speak on behalf of a lot of farmers - behalf of all farmers. i can speak on behalf of a lot of farmers and | behalf of all farmers. i can speak. on behalf of a lot of farmers and it is on _ on behalf of a lot of farmers and it is on their— on behalf of a lot of farmers and it is on their agenda to work with the environment to make sure they are conscientious producers and they are not compounding the issue. i live in this area _ not compounding the issue. i live in this area and — not compounding the issue. i live in this area and i drive past that river— this area and i drive past that river everyday on my way to the farm and it _ river everyday on my way to the farm and it is _ river everyday on my way to the farm and it is beautiful and it should be protected — and it is beautiful and it should be protected. but the government should put those _ protected. but the government should put those procedures in place a people — put those procedures in place a people don't take advantage of it. again _ people don't take advantage of it. again it— people don't take advantage of it. again it is— people don't take advantage of it. again it is aligning the messages and we _ again it is aligning the messages and we have seen today there is quite _ and we have seen today there is quite a — and we have seen today there is quite a lot— and we have seen today there is quite a lot of bickering on the panel — quite a lot of bickering on the panel i— quite a lot of bickering on the panel. i would defy anybody that has .one panel. i would defy anybody that has gone through what the conservatives have gone _ gone through what the conservatives have gone through and come at the other— have gone through and come at the other side _ have gone through and come at the other side with heaps of cash, it

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