More Free Childcare. Bridget phillipson, for labour, reckons that plan doesnt add up. And another parent, another child Mariano Janin� s daughter, mia, took her own life after being bullied online and at school. Well hear how he wants to prevent other parents� heartbreak. Morning, morning welcome to you, and welcome to my team at the desk for the next hour. Sir rocco forte, Legendary Hotelier and conservative donor, at least until recently. Vicky spratt, writer and housing campaigner, and andy haldane now one of the wise heads on the governments Economic Advisory council, who was the Chief Economist at the Bank Of England. It isa it is a big week for the government, a big few days forjeremy hunt, the chancellor, who is with us. Jeremy hunt, you are apparently managing to squeeze in Marathon Training whilst having one of the biggestjobs in politics, how do you do that . Bridget, are you warming up alongside . I bridget, are you warming up alongside . Bridget, are you warming up alonaside . ,. , alongside . I did 17 miles on friday but nothing alongside . I did 17 miles on friday but nothing will alongside . I did 17 miles on friday but nothing will be alongside . I did 17 miles on friday but nothing will be for alongside . I did 17 miles on friday but nothing will be for the alongside . I did 17 miles on friday| but nothing will be for the budget. Bridget, are you fitting in exercise . Bridget, are you fitting in exercise . �. ~. , exercise . Im a keen runner, i was la in exercise . Im a keen runner, i was playing hockey exercise . Im a keen runner, i was playing Hockey Yesterday exercise . Im a keen runner, i was playing Hockey Yesterday so exercise . Im a keen runner, i was playing Hockey Yesterday so i exercise . Im a keen runner, i was playing Hockey Yesterday so i like l playing Hockey Yesterday so i like to keep playing Hockey Yesterday so i like to keep in playing Hockey Yesterday so i like to keep in sport too. Xlfery to keep in sport too. Very impressive, to keep in sport too. Very impressive, well to keep in sport too. Very impressive, well see to keep in sport too. Very| impressive, well see what to keep in sport too. Impressive, well see what Political Support we have in the studio this morning. There is tonnes in this mornings news, of course, looking ahead to the budget. The sunday times, the observer, the Sunday Express all splash on tax cuts, a good thing, or a bad. In the sunday telegraph, jeremy hunts declaring war on waste. A pretty familiar promise from ministers, but well hear what he has up his sleeve in a few minutes time. And theres a royal double act on two of the tabloids. The Sunday Mirror has another story about prince Andrews Links with jeffrey epstein. The Sun On Sunday says the queens off on a break. Jeremy hunt, our main event this morning. Andy haldane, you have observed, watched, so many of these events. What do you want to hear from jeremy hunt today . Events. What do you want to hear from jeremy hunt today . Well, what i would love to from jeremy hunt today . Well, what i would love to hear from jeremy hunt today . Well, what i would love to hear is the from jeremy hunt today . Well, what i would love to hear is the fiscal would love to hear is the fiscal rules might be tweaked. They are Stunting Growth for me, right now. I think that probably wont happen, ewan wont hear that from jeremy today so the most pressing thing actually is the Funding Crisis facing local crises right now the Funding Crisis facing local councils right now. Funding crisis facing local councils riaht now. V Funding Crisis facing local councils riaht now. � , right now. Thats interesting because when right now. Thats interesting because when you right now. Thats interesting because when you say right now. Thats interesting because when you say the l right now. Thats interesting. Because when you say the fiscal rules, you mean basically the limits the government puts on itself in order to be able to show that they are trying to pay down the countrys debt over the long term. You think they are harming it right now . I think the debt rule in particular is overly constraining our capacity to invest as a nation and therefore grow tomorrow, yeah. Invest as a nation and therefore grow tomorrow, yeah. Rocco, What Would Ou Grow tomorrow, yeah. Rocco, what would you like grow tomorrow, yeah. Rocco, what would you like the grow tomorrow, yeah. Rocco, what would you like the chancellor grow tomorrow, yeah. Rocco, what would you like the chancellor to. Grow tomorrow, yeah. Rocco, what. Would you like the chancellor to do . I agree completely with the fiscal, the five i agree completely with the fiscal, the five year rule is nonsense. We should the five year rule is nonsense. We should he the five year rule is nonsense. We should be looking at a much longer period should be looking at a much longer period in should be looking at a much longer period in the economy. This was brought period in the economy. This was brought in period in the economy. This was brought in with the Maastricht Treaty brought in with the Maastricht Treaty and something that every country treaty and something that every country in treaty and something that every country in the European Union has continued country in the European Union has continued to break stop we are no longer continued to break stop we are no longer in continued to break stop we are no longer in the European Union, we no longer longer in the European Union, we no longer need longer in the European Union, we no longer need to follow it. The budget is about longer need to follow it. The budget is about putting things out of a hat which is about putting things out of a hat which i is about putting things out of a hat which i dont like, it should be about which i dont like, it should be about creating a long term view of how to about creating a long term view of how to grow the economy. One quick window how to grow the economy. One quick window would be the tourist tax, abolishing the tourist tax, which is costing abolishing the tourist tax, which is costing the abolishing the tourist tax, which is costing the economy about £11 billion costing the economy about £11 billion a costing the economy about £11 billion a year and also the treasury £2. 5 billion a year and also the treasury £25 million billion a year and also the treasury £2. 5 million a year. The Short Sightedness of the treasury and the Short Sightedness of the treasury and the obr is stopping this happening. We and the obr is stopping this happening and the obr is stopping this happening. And the obr is stopping this haueninu. ~ ,. , happening. We will see what the chancellor says happening. We will see what the chancellor says about happening. We will see what the chancellor says about that happening. We will see what the chancellor says about that for i happening. We will see what the l chancellor says about that for you and other businesses campaigning on that so tourists could get duty free to encourage them to shop in the uk. Vicky, what would you like to hear jeremy hunt say today . Vicky, what would you like to hear jeremy hunt say today . Weve heard a lot about what jeremy hunt say today . Weve heard a lot about what he jeremy hunt say today . Weve heard a lot about what he may jeremy hunt say today . Weve heard a lot about what he may or jeremy hunt say today . Weve heard a lot about what he may or may jeremy hunt say today . Weve heard a lot about what he may or may not jeremy hunt say today . 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So much on housing them and that wouldnt so much on housing them and that wouldnt be so much on housing them and that wouldnt be bankrupting so much on housing them and that wouldnt be bankrupting local wouldnt be bankrupting local councils wouldnt be bankrupting local councils. , wouldnt be bankrupting local councils. ,. , councils. 0k, all three of you, thank you. Councils. 0k, all three of you, thank you. You councils. 0k, all three of you, thank you, you are councils. 0k, all three of you, thank you, you are not councils. 0k, all three of you, thank you, you are not from i councils. 0k, all three of you, i thank you, you are not from the councils. 0k, all three of you, thank you, you are not from the same political spectrum but you all agree the rules the government is living by, its time to have a look at them. What the chancellor has been briefing, hinting yes and no, its about tax cuts. Since the turn of the year that has been something of a political pantomime over whether or not the government is going to find the cash to cut taxes. Jeremy hunt compared himself to such as tax cutting chancellor nigel lawson at the beginning of the year, in january, but by february he was sounding a little bit less sure. It doesnt look to me like we will have the same scope for cutting taxes in the same scope for cutting taxes in the Spring Budget that we had in the Autumn Statement and so i need to set people possum expectations about the scale of what im doing. In set people possum expectations about the scale of what im doing. The scale of what im doing. In this month there the scale of what im doing. In this month there were the scale of what im doing. In this month there were suggestions the scale of what im doing. In this month there were suggestions number ten andy levin might be stuck in a tussle over tax. Number ten and number 11 tussle over tax. Number ten and number might be tussle over tax. Number ten and number 11 might be stuck in a tussle over tax. You said you wanted to under promise and over deliver. You said a while ago the economy was at a Turning Point but now it seems we are in recession and you dangled those chunky tax cuts, but now you are telling us there is no easy path. Do you feel a bit silly that you went too far in nudging people that tax cuts might be on the way . Well, first of all i think youll ask me about lots of specific taxes, the tourist tax that rocco is campaigning very effectively on, non dons or National Insurance and i cant talk about specific taxes ahead of the budget. But in terms of under promising and over delivering, when rishi sunak and i took over, inflation was ii , its gone down to 4 , its inflation was ii , its gone down to ii , its fallen much faster than many people predicted. The Bank Of England said we would have the longest recession in 100 years at that time and in fact its been much more healthy although weve just tipped into a technical recession, so i think the economy has been much, much more resilient than people predicted and. B, much, much more resilient than people predicted and. B. Lat much, much more resilient than people predicted and. People predicted and. A lot of eole people predicted and. A lot of people watching people predicted and. A lot of people watching think people predicted and. A lot of people watching think theyve i people predicted and. A lot of l people watching think theyve had people predicted and. A lot of people watching think theyve had a very hard time but im asking about the specific message over the last few months that you were eager to do tax cuts and now actually you have less money to spend than you hoped. Was it a mistake to race peoples expectations . Was it a mistake to race peoples expectations . Was it a mistake to race peoples exectations . , ,. , � expectations . No, because what weve been sa in expectations . No, because what weve been saying very expectations . No, because what weve been saying very clearly expectations . No, because what weve been saying very clearly is expectations . No, because what weve been saying very clearly is when expectations . No, because what weve been saying very clearly is when we been saying very clearly is when we look around the world the economies that are growing fastest, whether its north america or asia, tend to be the ones with lower taxes and we want that to be the case for the uk as well, but weve always said im weve been very consistent, we would only cut taxes in a way that was responsible and prudent and if i may say the most un conservative thing i could do would be to cut taxes by increasing borrowing, because that isjust increasing borrowing, because that is just cutting taxes and saying that future generations have to pick up that future generations have to pick up the tax up. I wont do that. But i do want, where it is possible to do so responsibly, to move towards a lower tax economy and i hope to show a path in that direction, but this will be a prudent and responsible budget for long term growth, tackling inflation, more invest