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the head of humanitarian affairs for the united nations says there is no longer any humanitarian operation worthy of that name in the south of gaza. from jerusalem, here's our international editor, jeremy bowen. a warning — you may find some of the images upsetting. video emerged this afternoon of palestinian men taken for interrogation. bbc staff recognised the town in northern gaza and we have geolocated the video there, too. palestinian diplomats said these were savage images evoking humanity's darkest times. the israeli army said only that suspects were being interrogated. posts on social media said the men had been sheltering with their families at a un school and that others were killed during the israeli raid. in this photo, the men had been moved to another location which we have not been able to verify. one of the captives is a journalist. he was forced to leave his disabled daughter, according to the newspaper he works for in london. earlier, in israel's parliament, a prominent government supporter told me that only israeli forces can control gaza, not the independent palestine the americans want. i think that when we talk about a two—state solution, we are using three words and three lies. it's not two, it's not a state, it's definitely not a solution. so what's the answer, an everlasting occupation? first, occupation is not the word. you cannot be — one cannot occupy his own land. israel is not an occupier in israel — it's the land of israel. so, what about gaza? again... that's the land of israel? the land of israel, you cannot be occupying it. we're not occupying it from anyone. in gaza, civilians are lost in the rubble of israeli strikes. so far, the world is not close to controlling the powerful chaotic forces unleashed by this war. the un secretary—general, saying international peace and security is in jeopardy, is demanding an immediate ceasefire. a palestinian leader told me the us and uk must not veto the next ceasefire resolution. the united states of america and britain now has the key. if they oppose a resolution about immediate ceasefire, they will not be complicit only with this aggression — they will be a participant in these war crimes. they have to approve the ceasefire immediately because what is at stake is the life of 2.3 million people now. half of them are children. without a political solution, this conflict will go on when, if, israel declares victory in gaza. the war will not have a neat ending. two opposing forces are at work here. on the one hand, pressure for a ceasefire. on the other, the determination of the americans and the british to give israel the time it needs to achieve its objectives, and one western diplomat i talked to was thinking about perhaps another month. now, the un secretary—general wants to hurry that process up by putting pressure on them and also shaming them into taking action sooner. as gaza's food queues get longer, the un says it cannot run a dependable humanitarian operation. with hungry people jumping warehouse fences, israel says world peace requires gaza's liberation from hamas and that will take force. jeremy bowen, bbc news, jerusalem. thursday evening marked the start of the jewish holiday, hannukah — also known as the festival of lights. here in washington it was the second gentleman, doug emhoff, who was on hand to light the national menorah. it's an annual tradition the white house has kept since 1979. but not all of those who celebrate feel safe doing so. anti—semitic incidents across the globe have been on the rise, particularly since the start of the current conflict between israel and hamas. in a show of support for germany's jewish population, chancellor olaf scholz lit the first candle of the giant menorah at berlin's brandenburg gate. this is the first time a german chancellor has attended such an event. our correspondent damian mcguinness sent this report from berlin. german chancellor olaf scholz just spent a good couple of minutes talking about hamas�*s attacks on israel and the atrocities, and together with relatives of hamas hostages on the stage here, he started the whole process of lighting the candle. he also talked about how important it was for germany to protectjewish communities here because a lot ofjews are feeling very nervous. there's a big rise in anti—semitic attacks and incidents. that can range from physical attacks right through to anti—semitic graffiti and hate speech. germany has come down hard on this, saying this is not allowed but the problem is there are many people who say germany is not expressing enough solidarity for palestinians in gaza. this is a difficult debate for the german government because one of the reasons for germany's strong support of israel is historical guilt for the holocaust. it makes a very difficult for the german government to express criticism of the israeli government, and that does disturb many people here. however, today was more about looking forward and chancellor scholz said this was about an expression of hope for peace in the future and expression of light in these dark times. turning to ukraine now, and after almost two years of fighting, further us security aid for the country appears uncertain. speaking to a virtual meeting of the g7 leaders on wednesday, president volodymyr zelenskyy said ukraine risks losing against russia without further us support, warning that russia is waiting for the west to show weakness. his plea comes after senate republicans blocked an emergency aid package to ukraine and israel, after failing to secure border compromises they sought in exchange. presidentjoe biden had urged congress to "do the right "thing", in pushing for more aid to ukraine. on thursday, the white house said the president is open to negotiating with republicans about funding, but will not be dictated to by extremist factions within the party. for more on the reaction in ukraine, here's our correspondentjessica parker, in kyiv. the failure of the senate vote to pass has not come as a surprise. it was widely expected to happen so people aren't exactly reeling we here in kyiv. that been said, of course there is deep concern that this aid — defence aid package has become tied up in domestic us politics about america's southern border. so the lobbying work goes on, representatives from the ukrainian government have been in washington, dc. the ambassador says she still hopes ambassador says she still hopes a package of support can be agreed by christmas. i think it is pretty difficult for ukraine to envisage a world where us support could start to dry up, so crucial has it been to the wider war effort. so crucial has it been to the widerwar effort. suburb so crucial has it been to the wider war effort. suburb i speak to us well say that western allies said they will be with ukraine for as long as it takes and we're not even two years into the full—scale russian invasion. there has been a bit more of an emphasis recently on domestic arms production but there is still very much hope that some kind of breakthrough can be reached in washington, dc over the coming week. as of october this year, the us has given the most funding for military aid to ukraine at $46 billion. germany and the uk trail behind the us, at second and third place. but the white house has warned that us funds for ukraine could soon run out. for more on this, i spoke to director of the critical threats project at the american enterprise institute, fred kagan. thank you forjoining us here on bbc news. as you know, senate republicans have blocked billions of dollars worth of security aid to ukraine. president biden was trying to break that impasse and said" we cannot let putin when." without more aid, a realistic prospect? if the united states does not give ukraine any more aid at all, then the likelihood is very high that putin will in fact win, notjust by holding what he has but also by driving further to the west and probably, ultimately, succeeding and subjugating all of ukraine. it succeeding and sub'ugating all of [math succeeding and sub'ugating all of ummh of ukraine. it is fair to say there seems _ of ukraine. it is fair to say there seems to _ of ukraine. it is fair to say there seems to be - of ukraine. it is fair to say there seems to be some l of ukraine. it is fair to say i there seems to be some war fatigue setting in right now. we have events in the middle east and at the same time there is some discussion as to why that ukrainian counteroffensive did not achieve the results that course many western allies were hoping for. i want to point to recent washington post report that quoted an anonymous us special explaining that kyiv moved too late or listen too listen. what you make of that? first of all, there may be war spending fatigue and war looking at fatigue, but there is not war fighting fatigue in the west, which is very important because the reason we need to continue to support ukraine is so we will not having to fight ourselves on behalf of nato against a victorious russian military. that is the first point. the second point on the counteroffensive, yes, there has been lots of plane thrown around. western officials have also acknowledged — and western leaders and militaries made errors. there are setbacks in war. this was a very difficult thing the ukrainians undertook to do. it was disappointing in its results but it is not dispositive. it has not brought us to the end of this conflict. talking about this progress in the blame game, as you put it, we also know western allies provided something of a slow drip of weapons to ukraine. do you think that was a mistake? i thought it was a mistake and i and my colleagues at the institute for the study of war have said that for some time. the west has been a day late and weapon shot throughout this war. the delays in getting ukraine's systems that was evident early on in the war that it would need lead to delays in the counteroffensive for which the ukrainians are now somewhat unjustly being blamed. what i'm more concerned about though is that we seem to be repeating the same mistake right now. because the delays in getting aid to ukraine now will also delay ukrainian operations in 202a. and i am very concerned that assuming that ultimately a good sense of self—interest does prevail in congress and in europe, and we get ukraine the aid that it needs soon, i am afraid that we will still be in a situation where ukrainian operations in 2024 will be delayed and the russians will have additional opportunities to take advantage of that delay. opportunities to take advantage of that delay-— of that delay. fred, i 'ust want to i of that delay. fred, i 'ust want to ask i of that delay. fred, i 'ust want to ask what i of that delay. fred, i 'ust want to ask what youh of that delay. fred, i just l want to ask what you think could be a game changer in this conflict for ukraine. it is worth pointing out as well that ukrainian army has had nothing like the air defence capabilities other nato armies for example would employ this kind of scenario. what do they needin kind of scenario. what do they need in terms of weaponry to change the calculation? many others have — change the calculation? many others have said _ change the calculation? many others have said that - change the calculation? many others have said that and - change the calculation? many others have said that and i i change the calculation? many| others have said that and i can only add quebec no nato commander, no nato leader would have ordered nato fortis to conduct a mechanised penetration and exploitation operation without air superiority, let alone in circumstances in which the adversary could use his aircraft against the mechanised force during the penetration. ukraine needs our power. it needs long—range strike. it needs long—range strike. it needs a lot of tanks and armoured vehicles. it needs a lot of artillery. it needs all of the tools of modern war for dalic warfare so it can prosecute this war to a successful conclusion and set conditions thereby so that nato will not have to end up using nato troops and nato personal and later life to confront russia at a later date. we are of course in winter now. frontlines are hardening, that is the reality of course of warfare during the winter and of course it is important to point out as well that russia is also seeing halting progress on the battlefield. realistically, taking a cold hard look at this, do you think there is the prospect that if putin now seems open to negotiations potentially that europe might try to nudge carefully in that direction? well, i am very concerned that washington and european capitals may pursue the cobra of ceasefire at this moment. ——chmera putin... he and the kremlin have continually inaudible achieving all of their aims which include the subjugation of ukraine. which include the sub'ugation of ummfi of ukraine. so, this is an absolute _ of ukraine. so, this is an absolute fantasy - of ukraine. so, this is an absolute fantasy that - of ukraine. so, this is an i absolute fantasy that some people are pursuing, that putin has given any indication he wants to do any thing other than win this war on the battlefield. as for winter, i respectfully disagree with the characterisation that winter hardens the front lines in this part of the world. actually, historically, winter has been a very good time for conducting mechanised operations in ukraine and russia as happened throughout the second world war because it greases the ground very, very hard. it is actually a time when we should in principle be seeing an increase in mechanised operations as we come out of the fall rainy season but it is not clear to me what resources the ukrainians have to pursue such operations at this time and i think they also have the problem that given the uncertainty about whether they will get any more resources at all, that they would be prudent to hoard their resources rather than committing them at this time which i think it's very unfortunate, because if we get through this winter and ukrainians are unable to mount a significant effect, counteroffensive we will be in the spring rainy season and wants a game will be in the summer before we can hope to see any big meaningful ukrainian progress on the battlefield and a lot of that will be the fault of the west. director of the critical threats project at the american enterprise institute, thank you very much for your analysis and great to talk to. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some of the stories making news in the uk. prime minister rishi sunak has urged mps to back his rwanda immigration plan, after growing criticism from within his own party. mr sunak said his new legislation was the "toughest "immigration law ever", would prevent legal challenges and finally allow deportation flights carrying illegal migrants to take off for east africa. borisjohnson told the uk covid inquiry that claims he didn't care about the suffering being inflicted on the country and wanted to let covid rip were simply not right. the former prime minister said he had experienced at first hand, during his time in intensive care, how appalling covid could be. mrjohnson was forced from office in disgrace last year, over a series of scandals, including being found to have broken his own covid lockdown rules. tributes are continuing to pour in for benjamin zephaniah, one of britain's leading poets, who's died, at the age of 65. he was diagnosed with a brain tumour, just two months ago. he's been described as a once—in—a—generation poet, writer, musician and activist. you're live with bbc news. president biden�*s son hunter faces new criminal charges in a federal court in los angeles. federal prosecutors allege that hunter engaged in a four—year scheme to not pay at least $1.4 million in federal income taxes from 2016 until 2019. it's the second criminal case that special counsel david weiss has brought against hunter biden. the federal indictment includes nine charges, five of them for failure to file and pay taxes, one charge for evasion of assessment, two charges for filing a false or fraudulent tax return and the last charge is for failure to file and pay taxes. the justice department says, if convicted, hunter could face a maximum of 17 years in prison. the white house has not commented on the charges. the united states has announced joint military flight drills in guyana, after venezuela said it planned to take over an oil—rich region that covers two—thirds of guyana's territory. the us embassy in guyana says the flights are "part "of routine engagement and operations to enhance "security partnership" between the us and guyana and "to strengthen regional cooperation." neighbouring brazil also expressed concern, and says it is deploying troops along its border with venezuela to monitor the situation. essequibo is a densely—forested region controlled by guyana and has large oil deposits off—shore. venezuelan president nicolas maduro says that the border between the nations was wrongly agreed by colonial powers more than a century ago, and he claims all of the territory to the north and west of the essequibo river. here in washington, national security council spokesmanjohn kirby expressed the us' unwavering support for guyanese sovereignty. we obviously support the peaceful resolution of the border dispute between venezuela and guyana and we absolutely stand by our unwavering support for guya na's sovereignty. the 1899 arbitral award that determined the land boundary between those two countries should be respected, unless or until the parties themselves reach a new agreement or a competent legal body decides otherwise and that hasn't happened. so we're going to urge venezuela and guyana to continue to seek a peaceful resolution of this dispute, including by the international court ofjustice. our south america correspondent, katy watson, has the latest from brazil. here in brazil, president lula da silva has voiced concern over what is going on, he has said that south america doesn't need a war. they have bolstered the number of troops on the border, as well as brought an increase of armoured vehicles because of this concern. i was speaking to a journalist in guyana earlier, who said the villagers on the border of venezuela are especially worried. they are villagers that actually work and live quite closely with the venezuelan side but certainly in the last few days, few months, even, there has been an increased tension over venezuela's plans. now, nicolas maduro has been taking an increasingly belligerent approach. he has now said there is a new map that has been drawn up that needs to be distributed to schools. he has asked the national state oil company to start issuing licenses in the region in question, in essequibo, and just that increased concern certainly across the region. the chinese president, xijinping, has met the european commission and european council chiefs in beijing — theirfirst in—person meeting since 2019. the summit highlighted differences over trade, international affairs and human rights. for his part, the chinese leader said the two sides should not see each other as rivals because of their different systems. our correspondent in beijing, stephen mcdonell, has more. nobody expected her to be any great breakthrough, as a result of these high—level meetings. the point is having the talks themselves, and both sides have welcomed this chance to increase their dialogue. xi jinping even spoke about the good momentum, in terms of relations between china and europe. but the differences between them are stark. from the outset, the president of the outset, the president of the european commission put trade at the forefront in the opening meeting with xi jinping. she spoke about the clear imbalances in trade between europe and china. now what this is all about is european companies are saying they can't get access to the huge chinese market, because of these artificial impediments, which have been put in place by the chinese government. for example, tariffs or local government support for the electric car market here. they want to sell more european cars into china. now the chinese government is saying though, this was a temporary measure just needed to get evs off the ground in the first place. eventually that will stop. the point is when. now on the chinese side, they are saying they don't want there to be blockages, in terms of the sale of, say, microchips. now the sale of chips has been blocked because of supposed concerns that they are being used as part of china's military build—up. china also has been pushing back against this talk of de—risking. european countries have been burnt by their reliance on russia, and so to at least some extent, there is pressure on europe to not rely so much on china, in case, well, there is another sort of war involving taiwan or something along those lines, which would mean that china can't be relied upon in the future. one of the biggest names in fashion — chanel — has staged its annual luxury catwalk show — called the metiers d'art — in the british city of manchester. our culture correspondent charlotte gallagher was there. high fashion and a manchester high street. the legendary french fashion label chanel has taken over the city centre. models, celebrities, and the children of manchester icons liam and noel gallagher filled the front row of the chanel fashion show. even a—list actors couldn't keep away. are you enjoying the latest? yeah, lam. i've been walking around in the rain all day. - it was fine. no, it's so good, and i'm telling you, it's like, it is such an iconic place - for me, and i've been dreaming to come. i the show celebrated not just fashion, but also the music of manchester. the rapper and actor bugsy malone came dressed for the occasion. we have the jacket, the watch, the trainers, and i'm very serious about the chanel thing right now. and the necklace — is that chanel as well? yeah. you're manchester, obviously. born and bred. so what does it feel like to be at a chanel show in manchester? you're one of the guests of honour. by the way, it's a real privilege just to have chanel in manchester. so to be here, to witness it. amazing, i've had a great time. people who didn't have a ticket also wanted to see what was going on. obviously, there's a nod to the weather. in fact, the crowds gathered in the rain all day, wondering which celebrities would arrive. so why did chanel choose manchester? and that's a history that is political, it's social, but also, of course, linked to fashion and textiles. so in this area where we are, in the northern quarter, a lot of these buildings would have been warehouses, they would have been centres of production of cotton. in the 19th century, manchester was called cottonopolis. manchester—born supermodel karen elson took part in the show, and models weren't just on the catwalk. they were in the audience, too. really epitomised the spirit and creativity of manchester and the north, and, yeah, it's been amazing. the show may be over, but the party here, well, that's just begun. charlotte gallagher, bbc news, manchester. you are watching bbc news. i am helena humphrey in washington. thank you for your company and join me again at the top of the hour, if you can. goodbye for now. hello, there. thursday's weather was pretty wet for many of us, and we're going to see further bouts of heavy rain moving their way in over the next few days. but i think, for many, there'll be a brief respite in the really wet conditions on friday, with some sunnier spells. but we've still got this area of low pressure into friday, and that's going to keep things pretty unsettled. but the bulk of the rain that we had on thursday has cleared away to the north and the east, and as we start off on friday, temperatures, for many of us, positive, so about 6—8 degrees celsius. still quite wet and windy in the northern isles throughout the day, and we'll see these showers moving their way in from the west. but there will at least be some sunny spells, particularly towards eastern and south—eastern areas for much of the day. one or two showers eventually moving in, and temperatures probably getting into double figures, for many of us. about 6—8 celsius across scotland. now, the winds will strengthen for a time around the irish sea and the north channel coasts. with that, some further heavy rain spreading through, and then into saturday morning, another band of very heavy rain will slowly move its way in, making it a very wet start to saturday morning. but again, overnight temperatures into saturday staying up into positive figures. now, for the weekend, it will stay unsettled. there'll be rain at times, but it's not going to be a complete wash—out. there'll be some sunshine around for a time as well. but a very wet start, as i mentioned, for many on saturday. some pulses of heavy rain spreading its way north and eastward. by lunchtime, spreading into central parts of scotland, northern ireland. for england and wales, there'll be a few showers towards northern and western areas. otherwise, though, a drier afternoon with some sunny spells. and again temperatures 11—13 degrees in the south, 7—8 degrees further north. that area of rain will continue to move to the north with that area of low pressure, and then another area of low pressure develops, as we head into sunday. that's one to watch. we could see some pretty strong winds linked in with that, with, again, rain spreading its way in from the south—west, pushing north and eastwards. so, yes, a spell of rain for a time, before it clears, and there'll be something a bit brighter towards england and wales into the afternoon. just eastern areas staying on the wet side, and temperatures once again about 6—12 degrees celsius. into next week, it starts to calm down a little bit, from mid—week onward, with something a bit drier. bye— bye. this is bbc news. we will have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. ken follett is one of the most successful fiction writers in the world. his books have sold almost 200 million copies. we met him at his house in the english countryside. hi, katie. it is omos good derma good to see you. how are you? i am very well. thank you for doing this and inviting me to your lovely home. i have been meaning to come many times but now i find i'm here. you have i at an open invitation. you are very sweet. i was thinking on my way up that i have known you since i was 16 years old. where you really 16? was 16 years old. where you really16? i was 16 years old. where you really 16? i was once upon a time 16. that is hard to believe but, yes, i was at school with your son. all of these books

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