the budget director, mark, so maybe you can tell us what the impact of these decisions would be. the budget director said that _ these decisions would be. the budget director said that the _ these decisions would be. the budget director said that the united - these decisions would be. the budget director said that the united states i director said that the united states is almost out of money, and that's certainly true. it is true that the money is committed. it's not all spent. that means there won't be any new money, new purchases, but there will be a flow of previous purchases and previous commitments going to ukraine. that will decline over time. what that means is that over time, as this flow decreases, ukrainian military capabilities will decrease also. militaries and back need to constant flow of munitions and supplies to replace what's lost and supplies to replace what's lost and used up, and without those, they become less effective, and we will see that happening with ukraine, although over a period of time. could probably were allowed for their operations —— probably rule out. what about the targets on the infrastructure?— infrastructure? suspect the ukrainians _ infrastructure? suspect the ukrainians may _ infrastructure? suspect the ukrainians may not - infrastructure? suspect the ukrainians may not be - infrastructure? suspect the ukrainians may not be able i infrastructure? suspect the i ukrainians may not be able to conduct these counterattacks. eventually, the defence make it weaker so the russians may be able to achieve a breakthrough. their placement visual and ammunition declines. . , declines. hillary rosen, the country's — declines. hillary rosen, the country's support _ declines. hillary rosen, the country's support of- declines. hillary rosen, the l country's support of ukraine, declines. hillary rosen, the - country's support of ukraine, 30 times bigger than russia. why are we so incapable of pressing home the advantage? so incapable of pressing home the advantaue? . �* , ., so incapable of pressing home the advantaue? . �* , . . , ., advantage? that's a great question. mark. sorry. — advantage? that's a great question. mark. sorry. can i— advantage? that's a great question. mark, sorry, can ijust bring - mark, sorry, can ijust bring in hillary. i mark, sorry, can i 'ust bring in hilla . ~' ~ mark, sorry, can i 'ust bring in hilla . ~ ~ ., ., , mark, sorry, can i 'ust bring in hilla . ., ., hillary. i think mr cameron is a little bit optimistic. _ hillary. i think mr cameron is a little bit optimistic. i— hillary. i think mr cameron is a little bit optimistic. i think - hillary. i think mr cameron is a little bit optimistic. i think he l hillary. i think mr cameron is a | little bit optimistic. i think he is clearly— little bit optimistic. i think he is clearly a — little bit optimistic. i think he is clearly a good spokesperson, a good salesman _ clearly a good spokesperson, a good salesman and hopefully his visit will make — salesman and hopefully his visit will make some difference. but i think there are some fundamental questions that many particularly the republicans have about _ particularly the republicans have about the commitment to ukraine and the addition of them using this as a ledge _ the addition of them using this as a ledge against president biden by bringing up the immigration issue, which is _ bringing up the immigration issue, which is of course a hot topic this election — which is of course a hot topic this election i— which is of course a hot topic this election. i think ultimately, president biden is going to have to weigh— president biden is going to have to weigh in— president biden is going to have to weigh in and use as much leverage as possible. _ weigh in and use as much leverage as possible, but i think it's not going to be _ possible, but i think it's not going to be easy — possible, but i think it's not going to be easy-— possible, but i think it's not going to be eas .~ , ., ., ., to be easy. why has he not done that alread if to be easy. why has he not done that already if this — to be easy. why has he not done that already if this has _ to be easy. why has he not done that already if this has been _ to be easy. why has he not done that already if this has been a problem . already if this has been a problem coming over the hill for several weeks? why has he not caused the leaders to the white house to find out where they can find a compromise?— out where they can find a comromise? ~ , compromise? well, president biden has had a bit — compromise? well, president biden has had a bit of _ compromise? well, president biden has had a bit of a _ compromise? well, president biden has had a bit of a strategy _ compromise? well, president biden has had a bit of a strategy with - compromise? well, president biden has had a bit of a strategy with the i has had a bit of a strategy with the democrats — has had a bit of a strategy with the democrats and the senate to let them do leads— democrats and the senate to let them do leads on— democrats and the senate to let them do leads on negotiated, and that's what he has done. he's let the negotiations have been on the immigration issue in the hopes that it would _ immigration issue in the hopes that it would break the deadlock on ukraine — it would break the deadlock on ukraine i_ it would break the deadlock on ukraine. ithink it would break the deadlock on ukraine. i think that's looking less and less— ukraine. i think that's looking less and less likely as we head towards congressional recess next week, so he's going _ congressional recess next week, so he's going to have to get more involved — he's going to have to get more involved and be more aggressive aboul— involved and be more aggressive about this. ,. about this. peter, david cameron said this morning _ about this. peter, david cameron said this morning that _ about this. peter, david cameron said this morning that the - about this. peter, david cameron said this morning that the us - about this. peter, david cameron said this morning that the us is l said this morning that the us is the linchpin. what happens if you remove them from the picture? he’s them from the picture? he's right. the americans have _ them from the picture? he's right. the americans have in _ them from the picture? he's right. the americans have in particular. them from the picture? he's right. i the americans have in particular the have sopplied — the americans have in particular the have supplied the _ the americans have in particular the have supplied the lion's— the americans have in particular the have supplied the lion's share - the americans have in particular the have supplied the lion's share of- have supplied the lion's share of soppliee — have supplied the lion's share of sopplies. europe— have supplied the lion's share of supplies. europe is— have supplied the lion's share of supplies. europe is better- have supplied the lion's share of supplies. europe is better in - have supplied the lion's share of. supplies. europe is better in terms of financial — supplies. europe is better in terms of financial support, _ supplies. europe is better in terms of financial support, but _ supplies. europe is better in terms of financial support, but the - of financial support, but the hardware _ of financial support, but the hardware that _ of financial support, but the hardware that they - of financial support, but the hardware that they need - of financial support, but the i hardware that they need is... of financial support, but the - hardware that they need is... the europeans— hardware that they need is... the europeans cannot _ hardware that they need is... the europeans cannot substitute - hardware that they need is... the europeans cannot substitute for. hardware that they need is... the i europeans cannot substitute for that we can't _ europeans cannot substitute for that we can't produce _ europeans cannot substitute for that we can't produce the _ europeans cannot substitute for that we can't produce the volume - europeans cannot substitute for that we can't produce the volume or- europeans cannot substitute for that we can't produce the volume or thel we can't produce the volume or the level— we can't produce the volume or the level of— we can't produce the volume or the level of the — we can't produce the volume or the level of the weapons _ we can't produce the volume or the level of the weapons that _ we can't produce the volume or the level of the weapons that the us i level of the weapons that the us have _ level of the weapons that the us have been— level of the weapons that the us have been supplying. _ level of the weapons that the us have been supplying. if- level of the weapons that the us - have been supplying. if the american sorrow— have been supplying. if the american sopplv weapons — have been supplying. if the american sopplv weapons is— have been supplying. if the american supply weapons is cut _ have been supplying. if the american supply weapons is cut off, _ have been supplying. if the american supply weapons is cut off, the - supply weapons is cut off, the ukrainian _ supply weapons is cut off, the ukrainian capacity— supply weapons is cut off, the ukrainian capacity to - supply weapons is cut off, the ukrainian capacity to defend l supply weapons is cut off, the - ukrainian capacity to defend against the russians— ukrainian capacity to defend against the russians will— ukrainian capacity to defend against the russians will decline. _ ukrainian capacity to defend against the russians will decline. this - ukrainian capacity to defend against the russians will decline. this is - ukrainian capacity to defend against the russians will decline. this is a l the russians will decline. this is a pretty— the russians will decline. this is a pretty important _ the russians will decline. this is a pretty important moment - the russians will decline. this is a pretty important moment in - the russians will decline. this is a pretty important moment in theirl pretty important moment in their campaign — pretty important moment in their campaign its— pretty important moment in their campaign. it's not— pretty important moment in their campaign. it's not been- pretty important moment in their campaign. it's not been going - campaign. it's not been going well overthe summer. _ campaign. it's not been going well over the summer. they're - campaign. it's not been going well over the summer. they're facing l campaign. it's not been going well over the summer. they're facing ai over the summer. they're facing a wager— over the summer. they're facing a wager of— over the summer. they're facing a wager of renewed _ over the summer. they're facing a wager of renewed russian - over the summer. they're facing a wager of renewed russian attacks| over the summer. they're facing a . wager of renewed russian attacks on infrastructure — wager of renewed russian attacks on infrastructure. without— infrastructure. without the defensive _ infrastructure. without the defensive weapons - infrastructure. without the defensive weapons to - infrastructure. without the defensive weapons to takei infrastructure. without the - defensive weapons to take down missiles, — defensive weapons to take down missiles, drones, _ defensive weapons to take down missiles, drones, aircraft, - defensive weapons to take down. missiles, drones, aircraft, they're going _ missiles, drones, aircraft, they're going to _ missiles, drones, aircraft, they're going to suffer— missiles, drones, aircraft, they're going to suffer a _ missiles, drones, aircraft, they're going to suffer a very _ missiles, drones, aircraft, they're going to suffer a very bad - missiles, drones, aircraft, they're going to suffer a very bad winter.| going to suffer a very bad winter. there's— going to suffer a very bad winter. there's no— going to suffer a very bad winter. there's no way— going to suffer a very bad winter. there's no way anybody - going to suffer a very bad winter. there's no way anybody can - there's no way anybody can substitute _ there's no way anybody can substitute for— there's no way anybody can substitute for what - there's no way anybody can substitute for what the - there's no way anybody can - substitute for what the americans have been— substitute for what the americans have been doing _ substitute for what the americans have been doing to— substitute for what the americans have been doing to shore - have been doing to shore up ukrainians, _ have been doing to shore up ukrainians, give— have been doing to shore up ukrainians, give them - have been doing to shore up ukrainians, give them the l have been doing to shore up- ukrainians, give them the offensive capacity— ukrainians, give them the offensive capacity thev — ukrainians, give them the offensive capacity they need. _ ukrainians, give them the offensive capacity they need-— capacity they need. that's certainly true, but capacity they need. that's certainly true. but we _ capacity they need. that's certainly true, but we shouldn't _ capacity they need. that's certainly true, but we shouldn't put - capacity they need. that's certainly true, but we shouldn't put all- capacity they need. that's certainly true, but we shouldn't put all the l true, but we shouldn't put all the blame on washington's door. when you look across the board of the donor countries, 42 donor countries, only 20 have committed new age between august and october. —— new aid. do you think that could be they see indifference from washington? i indifference from washington? i think there is a risk that this is setting — think there is a risk that this is setting a — think there is a risk that this is setting a very _ think there is a risk that this is setting a very bad _ think there is a risk that this is setting a very bad example - think there is a risk that this is setting a very bad example toi setting a very bad example to europeans— setting a very bad example to europeans who _ setting a very bad example to europeans who are _ setting a very bad example to europeans who are beginning | setting a very bad example to . europeans who are beginning to setting a very bad example to - europeans who are beginning to look for ways— europeans who are beginning to look for ways of— europeans who are beginning to look for ways of reducing _ europeans who are beginning to look for ways of reducing economic - europeans who are beginning to look for ways of reducing economic cost l for ways of reducing economic cost unsupported — for ways of reducing economic cost unsupported ukraine. _ for ways of reducing economic cost unsupported ukraine. the - for ways of reducing economic cost| unsupported ukraine. the germans have been— unsupported ukraine. the germans have been building _ unsupported ukraine. the germans have been building up _ unsupported ukraine. the germans have been building up significant i have been building up significant volumes— have been building up significant volumes of— have been building up significant volumes of military _ have been building up significant volumes of military and - have been building up significantl volumes of military and economic support. but— volumes of military and economic support, but other— volumes of military and economic support, but other countries i support, but other countries are weakening, _ support, but other countries are weakening, even in— support, but other countries are l weakening, even in poland, which has been a strong — weakening, even in poland, which has been a strong supporter of _ weakening, even in poland, which has been a strong supporter of ukraine. i been a strong supporter of ukraine. we now— been a strong supporter of ukraine. we now have — been a strong supporter of ukraine. we now have blockades _ been a strong supporter of ukraine. we now have blockades to - been a strong supporter of ukraine. we now have blockades to the i we now have blockades to the borderm _ we now have blockades to the borderm i_ we now have blockades to the border... i think— we now have blockades to the border... i think america i border... i think america stepping back— border... i think america stepping back at this — border... i think america stepping back at this point _ border... i think america stepping back at this point can _ border... i think america stepping back at this point can only - back at this point can only set about— back at this point can only set about example _ back at this point can only set about example to _ back at this point can only set about example to others i back at this point can only set about example to others who| back at this point can only set i about example to others who are back at this point can only set - about example to others who are also shuffling _ about example to others who are also shuffling away — about example to others who are also shuffling away from _ about example to others who are also shuffling away from the _ about example to others who are also shuffling away from the kind - about example to others who are also shuffling away from the kind of- shuffling away from the kind of commitments _ shuffling away from the kind of commitments we _ shuffling away from the kind of commitments we saw- shuffling away from the kind of commitments we saw in - shuffling away from the kind of commitments we saw in the i shuffling away from the kind of. commitments we saw in the first shuffling away from the kind of- commitments we saw in the first year and a _ commitments we saw in the first year and a half _ commitments we saw in the first year and a half this — commitments we saw in the first year and a half. this is _ commitments we saw in the first year and a half. this is ukraine _ commitments we saw in the first year and a half. this is ukraine fatigue i and a half. this is ukraine fatigue setting _ and a half. this is ukraine fatigue setting in— and a half. this is ukraine fatigue setting in as _ and a half. this is ukraine fatigue setting in as economic— and a half. this is ukraine fatigue setting in as economic pressuresl setting in as economic pressures bite and — setting in as economic pressures bite and other— setting in as economic pressures bite and other priorities - setting in as economic pressures bite and other priorities fight i bite and other priorities fight their— bite and other priorities fight their way— bite and other priorities fight their way up— bite and other priorities fight their way up the _ bite and other priorities fight their way up the agenda. i their way up the agenda. mark, peter's right that _ their way up the agenda. mark, peter's right that there are i they're worried about corruption, they point out the united states needs money at home. this wouldn't be an issue because the number of republicans could dissent. because the majority is so thin, a small number can keep this a package from getting to the floor. zelensky said in the absence of support, they prioritise their own defence, but how long realistically with that take to come to proration. ? unfortunately, the defence industry in ukraine _ unfortunately, the defence industry in ukraine is— unfortunately, the defence industry in ukraine is really— unfortunately, the defence industry in ukraine is really not— unfortunately, the defence industry in ukraine is really not well- in ukraine is really not well adapted _ in ukraine is really not well adapted for— in ukraine is really not well adapted for the _ in ukraine is really not well adapted for the current i in ukraine is really not well- adapted for the current struggle. it was adapted for the current struggle. was really part of the russian and soviet industry. it