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climate change is a reality and its impact is felt by the poorest communities around the globe, and in particular by women and girls. as part of our 100 women season, we are coming to you from the climate summit in dubai as well as here in nairobi. it's your chance to hear from some of our climate pioneers about how to deal with the climate crisis and the anxiety it can often create. welcome to this bbc 100 women programme. i must say, every year, bbc 100 women names inspiring and influential women from all corners of the world. on this year's list, we have chosen 28 climate pioneers, women who have been working to help their communities tackle climate change and take action to adjust to its impact. we will hear from some of them directly from cop28 and i will also be joined here in the studio by climate experts who will address how climate anxiety affects our mental health and what we can do better to cope with it. but first, let's look at what we mean by this term, which is increasingly being discussed in the global south. here is the bbc�*s nkechi 0gbonna. when we talk about climate change, we often picture the fiscal impact. floods, drought, rising temperatures and melting glaciers. but the emotional effect on people is a growing concern also. and mental health clinicians are seeing more patients with symptoms of climate anxiety, also known as eco—anxiety or eco—grief. imagine you lose your home or crops due to extreme weather, or you witness devastation in your town because of climate disaster, you are then at a higher risk of depression, anxiety or post—traumatic stress disorder. but experts say you could also experience climate anxietyjust by watching the news and feeling hopeless, distressed or angry. moments of optimism may be harder to hold on to if it seems we are heading rapidly in the wrong direction and not taking sufficient action to stop climate change. global warming disproportionately affects women and girls, so it is them who are also more vulnerable to climate anxiety. experts say that national health systems must prepare for this. but it is not all doom and gloom. some researchers suggest that engaging in collective climate action can often help alleviate climate anxiety and give a sense of hope for the future. in a year where extreme heat, wildfires, floods and other natural disasters have been dominating headlines, we want to look at what climate change means for the well—being of women around the world. i am here in the studio with nigerian climate educator and environmentalist temilade salami, scientist susan chomba and environmentalist psychologist sandra kiplagat. and we are going to hearfrom all of them. but first, let's hear from our first guest. and that's susan. you know, you are one of the bbc 100 women climate pioneers this year. and you work mainly with women, who make up about 70% of africa's smallholderfarmers. do you notice the impact of climate change on their wellbeing? thank you so much. and thank you so much first of all, to the bbc for the recognition and being nominated as one of the 100 women. really humbling. 0n the work that we do every day with thousands of smallholder farmers across africa, we see huge impacts on them, on climate change. but let me start here. 30, a0 years ago when we were growing up, weather was very predictable. like, you knew by the 13th of march or 15th of march, the rains would start, the long rains would go up to may. and then by october, you have the short rains and farmers knew exactly what to grow and the kind of yields they would expect. fast forward now, that frequency has completely been disrupted by climate change. it means less rain. when it's less rain, it's prolonged drought periods. so, for instance, 2021 to 2022, we had some of the severest drought on this continent. countries in the horn of africa, we saw the drought that was devastating for the women. that meant that farmers across the countries were losing their crops, they were losing their livestock, they were losing their livelihoods. it also means that they didn't have water for domestic use, water for their livestock, and they had to walk tens of kilometres, sometimes 50 kilometres, to look for water. that has devastating physical impact on women, but also the psychological impact where they cannot feed their children, they do not have the necessary things to keep theirfamilies moving, which causes a lot of anxiety and distress. and now, you know, temi, welcome to the programme. you are the youngest amongst all of us. you founded a programme to mentor and develop youth climate leaders, and it's now one of africa's largest networks of young environmentalists. how do you think young people are coping with mental health issues while navigating the climate crisis? and can you talk about this in relation to what previous generations didn't do? for my generation, is two sides of a coin. you know, you're bothered about climate change and what it means for you and your community. and on the other hand, you are also an actor trying to find solutions to these issues. so we are notjust complaining about what is happening and feeling terrible about it. we also have a community of actors where you could go to, you know, do projects together and not watch your community suffer from the effects of climate change. and i think this is what is very different in my own generation, where, you know, now we have the skills, we have the expertise, we also have some of the knowledge that we can use to tackle climate. and it's notjust doom and gloom. it's also hope and action. so, two sides of a coin. we have people, young people who are bothered about what's going to happen in their communities, in their areas, in their nations. but on the other hand, we're not sitting and watching these things happen. we are also taking action. and that is where the whole leadership thing boils down from. and this is why i also created the programme that i did, knowing that especially young africans, it's time for us to own our narratives and not just be seen as victims of climate change, but actors for climate change, right? so, yeah, two sides of a coin. at this side we're saying, you know, we know the effects of climate change, but we are also at this side where we're saying we know what we can do and we have the urgency to act. great, so we need to involve the young people. you know, we have dr sandra here and we will come to you later. and as we are here, world leaders are meeting to discuss climate change at the big un summit, cop28, in dubai. it follows a year of extreme weather events in which many climate records have been broken, including being the hottest year on record. my colleague nuala mcgovern is in dubai. and let's cross over to her. hi, nuala. hi, mercy. thank you. well, welcome to cop 28 in dubai. you are here in the blue zone. this is where the media and the politicians — there's a lot of big meetings taking place. 0ver there behind me is the green zone, and there are 80,000 people that are expected to attend this year — record breaking in that sense as well. and we have a couple of guests which i am delighted to bring to you as part of our 100 women special, and that is louise mabulo and also rumaitha al busaidi. you're both so welcome. and you founded the cacao project, which works as a seed exchange, also helping farmers deal with climate change. can you tell me — you witnessed the supertyphoon in the philippines in 2016, what impact did that have on you when it came to climate anxiety? well, you know, these typhoons are happening year after year in the philippines. we're one of the most climate vulnerable countries in the world. and for me, it's anticipating that every year we're going to experience these typhoons and that they're going to get stronger and stronger and worse. and with our communities being the most vulnerable, it's just this kind of dread that you know at the end of the year you have to prepare your homes and your livelihoods for them. it's really interesting you use the word dread because that can be closely linked with anxiety, and you're calling for psychological tools to help people deal in the event of something that is devastating with extreme weather. what sort of tools? absolutely. if you think about it, a lot of people in the philippines are, even in rural communities, have not even heard of climate anxiety or mental health. we don't have the right terminology, the right knowledge and systems to articulate it in the first place, even if we experience these. and when you're in the middle of survival, usually climate anxiety is the last thing that you're going to think about. so really making these tools available in educational systems or whether it's kind of knowledge of knowing what this is and how to articulate it in your language in a way that you can understand and also find a pathway to collective healing with your community. do you think climate anxiety is the right term for the people that you are working with? well, for lack of a better term, i think climate anxiety is the way to go right now. but it could be climate dread. it could be the worry, a very, very real fear. it's not just anxiety over this abstract, weird concept. it's something that you know is going to happen to you. and we're already seeing and experiencing it. and so worrying about it, but also the after—effects of it as well. the after—effects on your health, your nutrition, your body, whether that's, you know, typhoons taking away good nutrition sources or even a good roof over your head. and that's something to really think about. thank you so much, louise. i want to move on to rumaitha al busaidi, who was the youngest 0mani to go to the south pole. that is a great title! you're also an alternative energy scientist, but you witnessed a near avalanche and i'm wondering what impact that had on you and your work. so i think that was actually - the incident that opened my mind in terms of what climate change and its impacts can do. - while we were actually skiing to the pole, there was a fearl of an avalanche that made us really run to the other side just _ to ensure that we survived — and that on its own, - | that anxiety that you had and that| worry actually was the main reason that actually pushed me into that space of climate change - and advocating for it. now, what i was interested reading about you, rumaitha, among many things, is that you believe climate anxiety is more pronounced in women. why? so the main reason behind that is the main... - so climate change kind of affects - both men and women very differently. and women actually bear the major brunt of climate change. _ how? if you look at statistics, - the un itself mentions that 80% of those who are displaced because of natural- disasters are women. a lot of women actually are given |the decision to stay in the home, j to really take care of the family as a result of climate _ disasters, while the men kind of go out and make sure - that they make the money. so because of that, you tend to see i that there's a disproportionate... more climate anxiety affecting more women as a result of that. - and i see you want to teach resilience. how? teaching them having uncomfortable conversations and negotiation skillsl in order for women to really gain ithose climate resilience skills. i for a lot of conservative societies, like the society that _ i come from in oman, it's very frowned - upon for women to swim. so a lot of us don'tj know how to swim. it's something that we tend - to really disregard as something that's very simple, but it's really key specifically for 0man, - where i come from, where it's- a coastal nation, you have cyclones once every five years _ that is category 5 and catastrophic. so in order for you to learn these skills, it's very important - for you to kind of move forward - and be able to be independent enough to save your family, should you need to. and that has happened as a result of our work as well. _ rumaitha, louise, really interesting as we hear some of the perspectives that are here at cop for our 100 women climate special. but now back to nairobi and to mercy. thank you very much, nuala, and thank you to our guests with you there at cop28. now, as the climate crisis becomes visible on our doorsteps and the stress it creates is being talked about more openly, people are also trying to find ways to cope online. 0nline search queries related to climate anxiety have risen dramatically, according to data gathered by google and shared exclusively with bbc 100 women. studies also suggest that women are more affected by climate anxiety than men. dr sandra kiplagat is a lecturer at the university of nairobi here in kenya, and herfield of study is the psychological impact of climate change. sandra, you've been talking to communities about this, the climate anxiety. people now have greater awareness about climate anxiety, but when does it become a concern? so it's something that... i did my research in madagascar, it's an area where they have cyclones regularly, and they had noticed the hurricanes were getting stronger and stronger, the impact was getting stronger and stronger. what was very interesting was that with them, before the cyclone, those three seasons before during and after and throughout the year there is anxiety, but peaking at different times. we see the same thing now with climate change, this is different, so we see the same thing in people — it's peaking when there's something that happens that is triggered because of some... because of the heating that's greater than usual. then we start to see the anxiety beginning to increase. so it's not a constant of anxiety, but there are peaks and valleys, depending on what's going on. but with concern also comes the drive to take action and we are seeing multiple initiatives to help address climate worries. let's look at this one. climate cafes — and these are community led spaces where people come together to drink, chat and act on climate change. here is founder and climate pioneerjess pepper. it's a very simple thing to come together for a cup of tea or a cup of coffee and start a conversation that can then lead to action. climate cafe started because our community needed a space to be able to come together and talk about climate. we're having climate coffee today. we're having this discussion i because we're powerful women and we have the solutions in our hands. _ that is what climate cafe actually provides — an opportunity for us ordinary people, especially women, to strengthen our relationships with one another. where you can bring your concern i and you can feel encouraged to hear what other people are doing. coming together in our communities, then lots of action can come from that. women also have knowledge, skills and networks to be ablej to adapt to changing conditions and to grow more _ sustainable solutions. some of the actions that have come out of climate cafes gathering in communities are related to sustainable fashion, water efficiency, reducing energy use and costs. with solar and batteries and food banks and teaching kitchens. we all are part of natural and not separate from it. we get to be human together. those were the climate cafes that are being replicated around the world and linked together in a global network. sandra, is the power of the collective helping people alleviate the mental burden? it's huge social support, which we know as psychologists plays a huge, huge buffering role to the stress effects of any sort of disaster. and this is in terms of several types of social support, effective support, information support, sharing tips, they were talking about this in the clip that you shared. moral support — i'm here for you. giving a sort of a hug where a physical hug or a hug from a distance... so that's one of the things from a psychological point. great. temi, are the young people converging or meeting to talk about climate change and to offer support to each other? yes, we're doing that a lot across continents and in our local communities and globally. and it's very evident — one of the strongest communities in sustainable developments is the climate change community, and i think anyone can attest to that. the support across the community, across your country, across continents and across the whole world generally, yeah, it's been amazing. ijust saw my friend at cop and we have conversations about this thing and it's been amazing. yes. oh, that's great. susan, you know, just speaking from the point of, especially from us here in africa, do you think this is something that could help us deal with the anxiety that the climate crisis is bringing? absolutely. and in fact, people just _ understanding what kind of action they can take that is relevant for their context. _ we may not call it a cafe, . but we can call it other kind of gatherings around climate change, precisely because people _ are wondering where are these - emissions coming from and what can i do at a personal level, at a collective level? i so i do strongly believe that more | scale of these kind of discussions| and conversations will helpj demystify the whole notion around climate change. it's not complex. we can actually do quite a lot of action around it. _ and it also brings solutions. you know, when women, for example, converge, they talk about saving food, how to navigate the droughts and all that, right? right. and in fact, we've seen a lot of innovations coming - from the rural communities. for instance, when they realise that our rivers are drying up, i what do we do? we come together, we start planting trees, we start- restoring grasslands, i we start managing how we graze our livestock. and with that from that discussions, | the solutions at an individual levell and at a community level then become even more sort of visible. - thank you. and now let's go back to cop28 with nuala mcgovern and our other guests in dubai. thank you, mercy. well, we are lucky enough to be joined by another hugely influential voice in the climate space and someone who will be very familiar to our panelists in nairobi. that is wanjira mathai. she is managing director at the world resources institute, as well as chair of the wangari maathai foundation, which continues the legacy of her mother, who was a political and environmental activist who won the nobel peace prize, as i'm sure your panelists will know. great to have you with us, wanjira, and welcome to bbc�*s 100 women. now, i've seen that you've spoken about trying to get to people to change their behaviour when it comes to climate change, whether that's policymakers, politicians or regular people. to appeal to the emotional, not the science or the scientific facts. and that seems like such a turnaround from what people have been doing. why do you say that? well, first of all, thank you for having me, but it's not so much a shift. we have the sharpest science we could ever get on climate. we know what's happening. we know why we now have to act. action is a verb that requires us to be moved to action. people will say emotional, but what it really is code for isjustice. it is a justice issue that we have the discrepancy between what needs to happen and where we are, whether it's on finance, whether it's on policy, whether it's on technology transfer. we know what needs to be done, but it doesn't get done so it seems like an emotional issue to appeal to the heart rather than to the intellect. but what it is, is acknowledging the injustice that exists, that we have an issue that is caused by one part of the world, but the suffering is disproportionately in another. so what do you want people to feel? i definitely want them to feel moved, to feel solidarity, to feel a shared humanity. "i am not ok if you are not ok." that's what we need to convey — that all of this, and i think covid was a great example of this, we cannot isolate ourselves from this global family that we all are climate is no different. we have got to act together on this one. thank you very much, wanjira. i want to move now to sagarika sriram. you set up, when you were very young, a website that you call an online climate education platform, kids for a better world. but do you ever suffer from climate anxiety? definitely. i think i definitely have suffered with anxiety— in multiple different aspects of my life i but climate anxiety was definitely the biggest one, i think, - as a ten—year—old - setting up my website. it's so overwhelming to even perceive something - that could almost end our world. for people to tell me that - in 10 to 20 years, my children, future generations - may not have a home. it's a lot to handle on a child, and i think growing up- having that feeling within me, - i knew i really did want to prevent other people from facing that. and i think my way of dealing i with that was to teach children about climate action, but in the most - simplistic way possible. i think with children, it's such an overwhelming problem - that you need to bring it to them in a way that they will understand it| and will have the ability to respond to it. - but you're emirati, you're 18 now — do you feel you have climate anxiety under control? definitely. i think living and growing up in the uae has definitely - supported my work and i think they've helped me in times. where it feels a bit overwhelming. and i think recently, _ doing my own research and doing the work i am doing and meeting i so many different inspirational. people at cop28, it really does make you have a little bit of faith _ in support in the work you're doing. so that's a hopeful message. wanjira, i'll give you the last word from dubai here. what advice would you pass on, maybe advice that your mother gave you? well, she always said, keep the faith. don't give up. giving up is not an option. we have so much to look forward to. i think young people have shown us that even in their early stages, they are activating, they are mobilising and they expect much more from us. so keep moving. 0ur generation? 0ur generation has a lot to learn as how we activate and mobilise. so maybe climate anxiety is actually going to give rise to some more positivity or optimism. back to you, mercy, in nairobi. thank you, nuala, and the wonderful panelists who've joined you at cop28 in dubai for our 100 women series. now, women coming together and discussing coping strategies as well as how to bring about change is one of the tools we have to withstand climate worries. this is what we have been doing today, isn't it? now, i wanted to ask you all what will be your brief most important piece of advice for our viewers who may be thinking about how they can cope themselves with the climate crisis? and i will start with you, temi. i always say belong to a community that has a shared solidarity and shared perspective about the things that you do, because in the end, you know, you can only fight for something when you're when you're good, when you're 0k and you're mentally stable. so you need that community, you need that friendship. so stay in the climate change community, stay in the climate actors community, and just understand that you cannot fight the fight of climate change alone. just pick the part that you can do and just keep doing it and also support other people. thank you very much. susan, very briefly, what will be your advice to our viewers? first of all, that there are opportunities. it's not all doom and gloom. and so, look for that opportunity to actually solve the climate crisis. and i've seen some of the most inspiring speeches coming from young women looking at how to, for instance, create businesses around climate change, businesses around reducing food loss and food waste, solving societal challenges around land degradation. and when you do that, you feel that you're contributing your little thing. as wangari maathai said, we can all be a hummingbird. you can do your little thing. find the bright side of how we can be able to contribute to the solutions. finally, sahondra, what will be your advice? as a psychologist, we know- that the human spirit is resilient. we have gone through so many things ias human beings over the thousandsl of years of our evolution, - through disasters and droughts and global warming and freezing, and we have survived. _ we have found the resilience. that spirit of resilience is within us. _ and to remember that. oh, wow, thank you very much. thank you very much to our guests. and that's all from me, merchuma, here in nairobi. and thanks to all our guests from here in studio and in dubai. and thank you for watching this bbc 100 women special on climate change and mental health. goodbye. if you feel distressed by the references in this programme, please speak to a health professional or an organisation that offers support, such as befrienders worldwide, hello there. today has been a little bit quieter compared to yesterday afternoon and through the overnight period where we saw substantial amounts of snow spread across parts of england and wales, leading to some disruption. the rest of this afternoon, it does stay cold, maybe not quite as cold as the last few days for england and wales. and we'll see further rain moving up from the south with some sleetiness over the higher ground. so that rain coming and going for the rest of the afternoon through the evening. but we'll start to see some more substantial heavy rain pushing up from the south as we move through tonight. and as that bumps into the colder air lying across the northern half of the uk, we'll start to see some snow with the higher ground of wales into northern england. so less cold across southern areas through tonight, but another cold one to come with the widespread frost and some ice to watch out for across scotland, far north of england, northern ireland. now for the monday morning commute, we could see some tricky conditions with this rain likely to see some snow over the high ground of the welsh hills, the peak district, the pennines, even some wet snow down to lower levels. so just watch out for that, could cause some disruption. for most though, across england and wales, it's going to be a cloudy morning and afternoon with outbreaks of rain coming and going. that rain pushing its way northwards. wintry showers feeding into eastern scotland. these could give some accumulations at times. but the best of the sunshine, western scotland, parts of northern ireland, just the odd shower here and there, quite breezy, feeling chilly. even though the temperature is a little bit higher, you factor in the wind, it will feel pretty cold and raw wherever you are. that area of low pressure starts to pull out into the near continent during monday night. so for tuesday, it's more eastern parts of the country affected by this low pressure system with north, north—easterly winds, which will be quite a feature, making it feel really cold down the east coast of england. a few wintry showers. a few wintry showers in northern eastern scotland. 0therwise, further north and west that you are under a ridge of high pressure, the calmer it will be. blue skies, some sunshine and the winds a little bit lighter. but it will be a chilly day wherever you are on tuesday, 2 to 7 degrees, feeling better in the west with some sunshine. wednesday, another cold day to come. a quiet day, but then notice beyond wednesday, thursday, friday, it's looking much milder, but low pressure taking charge. so it will be unsettled. so we do start the new week off on a cold note. by midweek it starts to turn milder. but with that comes the wet and windy weather at times. live from london. this is bbc news. israeli army radio says the ground operation in the south of gaza has begun. it says armed forces are there and expect to expand their offensive. the us defence secretary warns israel it risks driving civilians into the arms of the enemy. singing glenys kinnock, the former british minister and wife of the former labour leader neil kinnock, dies, aged 79. one person is dead and two injured in a knife and hammer attack in central paris — a british national is among those injured. and heavy snow causes major disruption in england's north. police urge people to stay away. welcome to bbc news. the israel defense forces have announced the beginning

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