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islands of normality in a vast distorted world. in gaza city, the dead have been cut off from the living by weeks of fighting. among them this man's father and nephew, he returned to find them lying dead in front of their house. translation: my father and nephew| were murdered 14 days ago, when the truce came i was able to bury my father. the truce his first chance to return and bury them. translation: what did we do? we are neither hamas nor fattah and we have never held a weapon in our lives. food and fuel are being trucked into gaza during the pause in fighting, but everyone in the southern city of khan younis many are struggling to find enough to eat. translation: the situation in khan i younis is catastrophic as you can l see. people are waiting in lines for three days to get flour and after we finished the line for that we go to stand in line for gas. in this town few buildings have been spared. this brief window on to gaza's new landscape may be closing soon. the present hard to look at. the future hard to see. lucy williamson, bbc news, jerusalem. earlier, we spoke to dr mustafa bhargouti, president at palestine national initiative in ramallah. i asked him for his reaction to the truce extension. we welcome, that we welcome. the fact that for six days people are not bombarded by israeli air strikes or artillery and no more people are dying. and i think 14,850 palestinians killed is more than enough and almost 7,000 children are killed. and that's not to count those who are under the rubble. i mean, the number could rise up to 9,000 palestinian children killed. so this is very welcomed. and what we hope for is that this temporary ceasefire would become a permanent ceasefire. enough is enough and this war has to stop. it's unacceptable. and those who pay the price are the civilian palestinian population. yes, we are in the very early days of this truce, four days just past — an extension now of two further days. we don't have too many details about what that will look like. but nonetheless, it has already prompted hopes, perhaps, as you touch on that it could lead to something more permanent. but how realistic a prospect is that, do you think? it's very realistic for three reasons. first of all, israel has failed in its main goal of its military operation because in the very first days of this operation, i think israel tried to dehumanize all palestinians through dehumanization of hamas and try to evict everybody to egypt. this didn't happen because palestinians refused to leave their homeland knowing that if they do, they will never be allowed back. and egypt did not accept that kind of arrangement. second, this they said about eliminating hamas and now they are practically negotiating with hamas, making deals with hamas. so that particular declared goal also is not happening. and finally, they were talking about conducting a military operation that will impose their control in gaza. i think what we've seen yesterday when hamas released the israeli prisoners in the centre of gaza, which is supposed to be under israeli occupation, it proves that reoccupation is not an easy goal and probably is not is not going to be achieved. so i think for all these factors, but in addition, there are two major factors. first of all, there is a global revolution worldwide, a global uprising demanding the end of this war, demanding a total and complete ceasefire. and then the united states is also changing its position. i think president biden realizes today that he hoped that through this war he could guarantee his re—election. now he's seeing that he's losing support publicly in the united states and this war could cost him the possibility of being re—elected. all these are important factors that contribute to ending this war. and more than that, more important than that, we want to save lives, lives of palestinians and lives of israelis. where does this leave diplomacy and how will this be seen around the world? jonathan panikoff who is the director of the scowcroft middle east security initiative at the atlantic council's middle east program. i think the fundamental challenge, though, is at the end of the day, if you had a permanent cease fire today or two days from now, after the humanitarian pause ends, the question would still remain how do you guarantee israel's security? and in fact, israel would be in a worse position, i would argue, because hamas would not only still be in power, but it wouldn't be in power with much greater credibility at that point. its command and control headquarters would still be operational. a lot of its weapons would still be around its leadership. around, its leadership. the truth of the matter is, unless you have a way to guarantee israel's security, i don't think you're going to be able to extend this truce into a permanent ceasefire. and so that in mind, how likely is it that israel will be able to secure the release of all hostages? we know israel's stated aim in this conflict is to eliminate hamas. and yet it seems right now that whilst israel and many around the world have painted hamas as a rather disorganised bunch of terrorists, they seem to hold quite a lot of power in these negotiations by drip feeding the release of hostages. i think that's absolutely right. look, there's no doubt hamas has tremendous leverage here. the key for israel is first to get all of the civilian hostages back. the civilians had no place being taken hostages to begin with under the international law and the rules of the law of war. the reality is you have children that are still hostages, women that are still hostages. and so israel rightly is trying to get as many hostages back as possible. but this is tactical. you remember in 2006, gilad shalit was kidnapped and held for over five years by hamas and it took 1,027 prisoners to get him out. that was a trade a lot of israelis do not want to make again. but i think this is going to take quite some time. and quite clearly, ourfocus, the world's focus right now is on events in israel and gaza and our previous guests there touching on the political fortunes of some of the big players in these negotiations. we're thinking there's a presidential election, of course, next year in the us. there's a uk general election on the cards for next year too. we know that benjamin netanyahu's poll ratings have been falling. ratings have been falling in israel, politicians will also have the eye on the support of their own electorate, won't they? they absolutely will. although i admit that i think when it comes to the united states, president biden has actually been pretty clear about his policies from the beginning. the question really is, are you better off having president biden embrace israel as he had and try to quietly behind the scenes influence them or to do it publicly? i actually think the way the president has done it, even though it may cost him some political points in the long run, is the best chance to get the israelis to move on some of these issues. i'm not sure we'd have the humanitarian pause we do today without president biden�*s efforts. that said, obviously elections come and elections go and we'll have to see how the politics shape up. and that includes certainly for prime minister netanyahu, who across the board is very unfavorably viewed right now by people on both the right and the left. along the northern border in lebanon the idf have also been engaged in continuous fighting against the lebanon based group hezbollah. the group and political party has long been opposed to the presence of israel in disputed lands in the south of the country. it has not resulted in a border, but a so—called blue line dear drawn by the un which divides the two nations. 0ver the un which divides the two nations. over the week and despite the cease—fire and because of rockets to continue to be fired into lebanon. 0n rockets to continue to be fired into lebanon. on saturday the un reported that there conformer was hit by a rocket by the lebanese front. embedded with the un peacekeeping with this group of irish troopers i'm heading south towards the infamous un blue line, the temporary borders separating lebanon from israel. their mission? to keep the peace. in these conditions. since the war began hezbollah as been locked in battle. we are just metres from the border and in the past few weeks this area has come under harry —— heavy fire. the peacekeeping troops to tell me that oppression has expanded. they are not helping to recover the data as well as rescuing local people caught in the conflict. as you can see to my rear we have a red house passed me 400 metres from the post that was struck by two rounds. the family inside the house made their way to the un post and we provided them with medical attention. provided them with medical attention-— provided them with medical attention. , ,, ., ., attention. irish troops are a part ofthe attention. irish troops are a part of the united _ attention. irish troops are a part of the united nations _ attention. irish troops are a part . of the united nations peacekeeping mission in lebanon. their mandate started back in 1978. we mission in lebanon. their mandate started back in 1978.— mission in lebanon. their mandate started back in 1978. we come here toda to started back in 1978. we come here today to remember _ started back in 1978. we come here today to remember and _ started back in 1978. we come here today to remember and honour - started back in 1978. we come here today to remember and honour our| today to remember and honour our union comrades.— today to remember and honour our union comrades. today they are still here. union comrades. today they are still here- amen- — union comrades. today they are still here. amen. he _ union comrades. today they are still here. amen. he was _ union comrades. today they are still here. amen. he wasjust _ union comrades. today they are still here. amen. he wasjust 12 - union comrades. today they are still here. amen. he wasjust 12 years i union comrades. today they are still| here. amen. he wasjust 12 years old here. amen. he was 'ust 12 years old when the soldiers _ here. amen. he wasjust 12 years old when the soldiers first _ here. amen. he wasjust 12 years old when the soldiers first arrived. - when the soldiers first arrived. they talk to me english and jarred me to _ they talk to me english and jarred me to school to try to save the bus cost _ me to school to try to save the bus cost -- _ me to school to try to save the bus cost. —— dropped. what is your main concern? that the situation takes _ what is your main concern? that the situation takes more _ what is your main concern? that the situation takes more time. _ what is your main concern? that the situation takes more time. because | what is your main concern? that the | situation takes more time. because i cannot take it any more. back situation takes more time. because i cannot take it any more.— cannot take it any more. back at the base the commander— cannot take it any more. back at the base the commander says _ cannot take it any more. back at the base the commander says they are i cannot take it any more. back at the i base the commander says they are now preparing for all possible scenarios.— preparing for all possible scenarios. ~ . , ., preparing for all possible scenarios. . , ., ., ., scenarios. we have seen more and a wider range — scenarios. we have seen more and a wider range of— scenarios. we have seen more and a wider range of weapons _ scenarios. we have seen more and a wider range of weapons used - scenarios. we have seen more and a wider range of weapons used and - scenarios. we have seen more and a i wider range of weapons used and more destructive potential in those weapons being used. our concern is it does escalate.— it does escalate. they hope the escalation _ it does escalate. they hope the escalation is — it does escalate. they hope the escalation is still _ it does escalate. they hope the escalation is still possible, - it does escalate. they hope the escalation is still possible, but | escalation is still possible, but only if both sides want peace. for now, there is a fear of all—out war. turning to france now where six teenagers are on trial of their alleged role in the killing of teacher samuel paty in 2020. he was stabbed and beheaded outside the school near paris back in 2020 after showing cartoons of the prophet muhammad during a class on freedom of expression. the killing spurred protests across the country. let's not forget the killer is dead so no trial will be of the person primarily responsible for the appalling merthyr of samuel paty three years ago. there are two trials, one of adults at the time and one of children at the time this one is of the children, teenagers, six hooch to face charges relating to the run up to the killing. five of them had a role alleged in identifying samuel paty to the killer, the russian born chechnya and refugee in france who was so angered by some of the samuel paty cartoon that he took it upon himself to kill him. but he did not know who he was or what he looked like and he needed people at the school pupils to identify him on the day he carried out his attack and he gave the money into that they asked them to do. the other 13—year—old now 16—year—old girl whose lie at the beginning of this whole affair set the terrible course of events at train. she's the one who told her father that she has shown the cartoons, she was not even in the class when it happened and the father was the person who then started the whole media campaign. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. bbc news bringing you different stories from across the uk. cyber technology has become embedded in our daily lives our phones, our cars, how our data is processed. it's constantly evolving, but brings security risks as well to the public businesses. the government. the northwest is now at the heart of the cyber economy, and at this career�*s event, schoolchildren have been practising the skills needed to develop cyber technology and take on the threats it poses. it was a lot of fun, but the skills that we need is to persevere and to communicate. it was a lot of fun, but the skills that we need is to persevere and to communicate. do you think something like this would be good as a job later on? yeah. the north west is becoming a cyber corridor stretching from manchester through to preston and onto lancaster. manchester has the government's intelligence agency hub, while preston has businesses like bae systems and will have the national cyber force protecting the country from cyber attacks. for more stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website. you're live with bbc news. a diplomatic row has broken out tonight between the british and greek governments over the elgin marbles. let's speak to our political editor chris mason who has the details. we know the greek prime minister is in london what is going on? ., ~ , minister is in london what is going on? ., ' , , on? creek prime minister is in london and — on? creek prime minister is in london and he _ on? creek prime minister is in london and he met— on? creek prime minister is in london and he met the - on? creek prime minister is in london and he met the leaderj on? creek prime minister is in i london and he met the leader of on? creek prime minister is in - london and he met the leader of the opposition keir starmer today who was due to meet the prime minister rishi sunak tomorrow. that meeting at the minute has been cancelled with the greek prime minister already here. it is a row as you say about elgin marbles or parthenon sculptures as the greek government called them. but they sit in the british museum in london and there has been a long—running argument about whether or not they should be returned or at least sent back to greece for a period of time. the greek prime minister was on the bbc yesterday talking to our colleague laura coombs burke and talked about this as he often does whenever he is asked by an set out this argument about how he would like to see them at least loaned by 2 degrees, they can be, as he would see it, and their rightful place, they were brought to the uk by a british diplomat back in the 19th century. his was asked on an interview that touched on the whole load of other topics not least illegal migration which is an issue that matters to the greek government and indeed to the greek government and indeed to the british government. what i can tell you tonight is at the office of the greek prime minister have said publicly and told the bbc that this meeting has been cancelled. they talked about its cancellation in just the last hour or so. due to take place at lunchtime tomorrow. the office of the greek prime minister saying that he is disappointed that prime minister rishi sunak has cancelled this bilateral meeting, between two leaders at the live without it today. they have a deep history of friendship and cooperation and he talks about topics they would have discussed. israeland talks about topics they would have discussed. israel and gaza and ukraine as well. as well as the parthenon sculptures. it is clear that the greek prime minister is baffled and annoyed at this cancellation. so what is the british government saying in response? they acknowledge that at the heart of this row and the cancellation of this row and the cancellation of this meeting is the whole question of the future of the elgin marbles which the british government does not want to see returned on any basis to greece. a senior conservative source told me this evening it became impossible for this meeting to go ahead following commentary regarding elgin marbles, that does reference to the greek prime minister's months on the bbc yesterday. 0ur position is clear, the elgin marbles are part of the permanent collection of the british museum and they belong here. it is reckless for any british politician to suggest that this should be a matter of negotiation or subject to negotiation. so a public row breaking out this evening. between two european governments whilst the greek prime minister is here in london and had been expecting this meeting with the british prime minister and a meeting that will now not happen. instead he's been offered a meeting with the deputy prime minister instead. ii offered a meeting with the deputy prime minister instead. if a offered a meeting with the deputy prime minister instead.— prime minister instead. if a gap is o-ened prime minister instead. if a gap is opened up — prime minister instead. if a gap is opened up in _ prime minister instead. if a gap is opened up in his— prime minister instead. if a gap is opened up in his diary _ prime minister instead. if a gap is opened up in his diary we - prime minister instead. if a gap is opened up in his diary we assume j prime minister instead. if a gap is i opened up in his diary we assume he will probably not go to the british museum given the anger over that sort of stuff. you are right, he was talking with laura over the weekend saying if you cut the mona lisa and half you can have half of it at the louvre and half at the british museum. when the run really high over these art departments. massively because if you are in the greek government your review is you articulated there in the quotation from yesterday. though this is fundamentally a piece of greek heritage whose rifle home should be backin heritage whose rifle home should be back in greece. you get some sense of the intensity of the row around all of this will sup with two sets cannot even agree on what to call it. are they elgin marbles or are they the parthenon sculptures. they had different language to describe the same thing. the british government view is clear, they think they should not be any r

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