before he gets together with rishi sunak and keir starmer. music: doctor who theme and we'll take a journey through space and time — with doctor who's companion, and legendary comic, catherine tate. whatever! 100%, it will always be, i'm sure, the bestjob i've ever had. really? 100%. i think david and i both feel that. it's 100% the bestjob. with me at the desk — richard tice leader of reform uk the party, who fancies gobbling up the tories' vote. with a public sector squeeze on the cards, christina mcanea head of the mega union unison and with energy bills on the rise again, alistair philips—davies, boss of the energy firm sse. let's see what is making the news this morning. on the front pages... the sunday times leads with the israeli hostage releases — we'll talk to clive myrie on the ground in israel in a second. but notice an intriguing story there claiming reform uk offered a prominent tory cash to defect. the sunday mirror has a picture of 9—year—old emily hand who was released by hamas yesterday evening — with her dad saying, my darling girl is broken but in one piece. the observer also features the hostage returns — but a note on migration too, which we'll talk about a bit later warning curbing it would hit social care. the sunday express also goes on migration, focusing on tory mps concerns about small boats. and the images of the hostage releases are likely to dominate the news today. this is so moving to watch — the nine—year—old irish—israeli girl emily hand, one of the group of hostages released, reuinted here with her dad who you might have seen interviewed in the last couple of weeks. emily has been taken to a hospital in tel aviv. let's talk to clive who's there. it must be quite an atmosphere there this morning, what is going on? well, just referring to those pictures of thomas and emily together. it is astonishing. thomas was told that emily was dead as the result of the hamas attack on october the 7th. he went through all of the stages of grief, denial, acceptance, pain. and when he was told that she was dead, he believed that would be betterfor told that she was dead, he believed that would be better for her, told that she was dead, he believed that would be betterfor her, rather than her being held hostage in gaza. then he was told two weeks later that actually they didn't have proof that actually they didn't have proof that she was dead, that in fact she was alive. i spoke to him just after that. i do hope he and the rest of his family had was that she would be returned, and that happened last night, with the amazing pictures of them hugging. and a reunion that happened to 12 other families with 12 of the hostages released yesterday. the second group of hostages to be released by hamas over the last two days. we know the israelis have already been given the list of 13 israeli hostages that hamas intends to release tonight, if everything goes according to plan. and emily is being evaluated here with some of the other hostages released yesterday, here at the hospitaljust behind me. the hope is that the deal will continue through to its allotted end point, which is in four days' time, on monday, and then possibly an extension for another five days. then possibly an extension for anotherfive days. so, a number of hostages released. that's in return for palestinians to be released from israeli jails. the hope is that this can continue and that the pause in the fighting allowing aid into gaza can also continue. finch the fighting allowing aid into gaza can also continue.— can also continue. such hopes for the families _ can also continue. such hopes for the families that _ can also continue. such hopes for the families that have _ can also continue. such hopes for the families that have been - can also continue. such hopes for i the families that have been terribly affected by this. what impact do you think good news for some families will have on the wider conflict? does the pause make any longer term difference to what is going on? it’s difference to what is going on? it's a reall difference to what is going on? it�*s a really important question. at the moment, both sides are getting what they want. hamas is getting a pause in the fighting, allowing aid into gaza. it is also getting respite from the incessant bombing from israel. so, it's being able to regroup, is to a certain extent, and thatis regroup, is to a certain extent, and that is something they wanted. the israelis are getting what they want. they are getting some of their hostages back. but once the potential nine day period is over, and 50 israeli hostages have been returned in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners, then what? the israelis have already made it clear they want the destruction of how mass, they are not going to stop that. —— hamas. hamas make it clear in their charter that they want the destruction of israel and they will continue their campaign. there is a respite for the moment and that is welcomed by both parties here. but ultimately it is likely the fighting will continue, despite the concerns of the international community that a disproportionate number of civilians are dying in gaza, as a result of israel's campaign. so, yes, while there is a respite at the moment, it is highly likely we are going to see the fighting continue at some point in the future. thank ou, and at some point in the future. thank you. and you _ at some point in the future. thank you. and you can _ at some point in the future. thank you, and you can watch _ at some point in the future. thank you, and you can watch coverage i at some point in the future. thankl you, and you can watch coverage of the unfolding events from clive and the unfolding events from clive and the rest of our colleagues in the middle east for the rest of the day on bbc news. let's talk about some stories in the papers. richard, we hinted at an intriguing story in the sunday times, claiming your party offered a huge amount of cash to lee anderson in order to defect, they have a secret recording, they say, of him saying that two tory activists. of him saying that two tory activists-_ of him saying that two tory activists. �* ., , _ ., ., activists. i'm happy to confirm that i've had numerous— activists. i'm happy to confirm that i've had numerous discussions - activists. i'm happy to confirm that| i've had numerous discussions with activists. i'm happy to confirm that l i've had numerous discussions with a number of tory mps, ministers, former ministers, who are absolutely furious with the complete betrayal of the government's promises, furious with the failure to stop the boats, furious with opening the borders to mass immigration. obviously i will keep those discussions completely confidential. but let me make it absolutely clear, no cash or money has in any way been offered. what has been offered is the chance to change the shape of the chance to change the shape of the debate. what has really happened here is that lee anderson has used the threat of defecting to reform to negotiate himself the deputy chairmanship of the tory party. this story first appeared almost exactly the same, in the times back in february when, coincidentally, he was made deputy chairman of the tory party. was made deputy chairman of the tory -a . ~ was made deputy chairman of the tory .a _ ~ , was made deputy chairman of the tory party. murky events and mr anderson is not here to — party. murky events and mr anderson is not here to defend _ party. murky events and mr anderson is not here to defend himself, - party. murky events and mr anderson is not here to defend himself, but - is not here to defend himself, but you made your position clear. i'm interested you say you have had a conversation with a number of mps, and ministers, and former ministers. maybe we will pick up on that later. we are going to talk a lot about migration, and we will speak to you about that later. we had a huge number this week, record levels of people coming here, perfectly legally, and it is often the fact that businesses say we need this, the economy needs this. is that the case? is that true?— case? is that true? obviously it is a hue case? is that true? obviously it is a huge political — case? is that true? obviously it is a huge political debate _ case? is that true? obviously it is a huge political debate at - case? is that true? obviously it is a huge political debate at the - a huge political debate at the moment. i think businesses do need skills. _ moment. i think businesses do need skills. llul— moment. i think businesses do need skills, but they are in specific areas — skills, but they are in specific areas for— skills, but they are in specific areas. for us on the energy sector that i— areas. for us on the energy sector that i operate in, we are putting a huge _ that i operate in, we are putting a huge amount of effort in with government to retraining people, taking _ government to retraining people, taking people from the oil and gas sector_ taking people from the oil and gas sector and — taking people from the oil and gas sector and bringing them into renewable industries. in certain areas, _ renewable industries. in certain areas. but _ renewable industries. in certain areas, but clearly we don't need all of the _ areas, but clearly we don't need all of the numbers that are perhaps being _ of the numbers that are perhaps being talked about. if of the numbers that are perhaps being talked about.— being talked about. if you train --eole, being talked about. if you train people. maybe _ being talked about. if you train people. maybe you _ being talked about. if you train people, maybe you don't - being talked about. if you train people, maybe you don't have | being talked about. if you train l people, maybe you don't have to being talked about. if you train - people, maybe you don't have to take them from abroad. christina, the health service and social care in particular is, right now, really reliant on migration. we can see that in the numbers, it's crystal clear. what would it take to change that? it clear. what would it take to change that? ., ., ~ ., clear. what would it take to change that? ., .,~ ., , , ., that? it would take a pretty long term strategy. — that? it would take a pretty long term strategy, particularly - that? it would take a pretty long l term strategy, particularly around care _ term strategy, particularly around care theree— term strategy, particularly around care. there's never— term strategy, particularly around care. there's never been- term strategy, particularly around care. there's never been a - term strategy, particularly around care. there's never been a properj care. there's never been a proper plan _ care. there's never been a proper plan for— care. there's never been a proper plan for the — care. there's never been a proper plan for the care _ care. there's never been a proper plan for the care sector. - 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would need to be a proper plan on how you would train people, howl would need to be a proper plan on. how you would train people, how you would _ how you would train people, how you would recruit— how you would train people, how you would recruit people. _ how you would train people, how you would recruit people. it's— would recruit people. it's predominantly— would recruit people. it's predominantly based - would recruit people. it's predominantly based oni would recruit people. it's- predominantly based on minimum would recruit people. it's— predominantly based on minimum wage. it's predominantly based on minimum wage. it's not _ predominantly based on minimum wage. it's not seen _ predominantly based on minimum wage. it's not seen as_ predominantly based on minimum wage. it's not seen as a — predominantly based on minimum wage. it's not seen as a particularly— it's not seen as a particularly attractive _ it's not seen as a particularly attractive job, _ it's not seen as a particularly attractive job, and _ it's not seen as a particularly attractive job, and there - it's not seen as a particularly attractive job, and there is. it's not seen as a particularlyi attractive job, and there is no proper— attractive job, and there is no proper structure _ attractive job, and there is no proper structure where - attractive job, and there is no| proper structure where people attractive job, and there is no- proper structure where people are recognised — proper structure where people are recognised for _ proper structure where people are recognised for the _ proper structure where people are recognised for the different - proper structure where people are recognised for the different skillsi recognised for the different skills they bring — recognised for the different skills they bring to _ recognised for the different skills they bring to it _ recognised for the different skills they bring to it. fit— recognised for the different skills they bring to it.— they bring to it. a big challenge, we'll come _ they bring to it. a big challenge, we'll come back _ they bring to it. a big challenge, we'll come back to _ they bring to it. a big challenge, we'll come back to these - they bring to it. a big challenge, we'll come back to these issues | we'll come back to these issues later once we have talked to the government minister. the chancellor was coy about his plan for the autumn statement, but on wednesday, he boasted of tax cuts he spelled—out. alongside a public spending squeeze, in his autumn statement. but those headlines were quickly replaced with alarm at levels of migration that broke the records. not concern over channel crossings, that has used up so much political oxygen, but the numbers of people coming to the country perfectly legally with the government's permission. the prime minister said the numbers must come down, but we've heard that before. net migration needs to come down radically, from hundreds of thousands a year, to just tens of thousands. we are all committed to what was said in a conservative party manifesto, which was that we were going to bring net migration down to sustainable levels, that means not the hundreds of thousands that we have seen in recent decades. get brexit done, and then we really do take back control— of our immigration policy, - for everybody around the world. so, i want to bring the levels of legal migration down. we are crystal clear about that. laura trott — the brand new chief secretary, a fortnight into herjob, is here now. welcome to the studio, for the first time. the former minister, jacob rees—mogg, said this week you have failed on immigration and he has apologised to the public. should you do the same? the apologised to the public. should you do the same?— apologised to the public. should you do the same? the prime minister has acknowledged — do the same? the prime minister has acknowledged that _ do the same? the prime minister has acknowledged that the _ do the same? the prime minister has acknowledged that the levels - do the same? the prime minister has acknowledged that the levels of - acknowledged that the levels of migration are too high, they are not sustainable. the ons has said that they are coming down, which is positive news, but we are taking further steps, including positive news, but we are taking furthersteps, including in positive news, but we are taking further steps, including in may, positive news, but we are taking furthersteps, including in may, one of the biggest measures to cut migration ever, about limiting the number of student dependence that can come over. that number of student dependence that can come over-— can come over. that is something that has already _ can come over. that is something that has already been _ can come over. that is something that has already been announcedl can come over. that is something l that has already been announced by the government, that may or may not make some difference. ijust want the government, that may or may not make some difference. i just want to emphasise the scale of this. look at the figure. 672,000 people added to the figure. 672,000 people added to the population. that's like adding the population. that's like adding the city of glasgow, nearly as many as adding the city of leeds to the country. this is not something that has happened by accident, this is happening under your watch, under the weight government policy has been built up. i want to show people what it means in the breakdown. let's look at the three biggest groups. students, 643,000 people, care workers, 101,000 people. nurses, 23,000. you've said clearly it has to come down, who don't you want to come? i it has to come down, who don't you want to come?— want to come? i can talk to each of the individual _ want to come? i can talk to each of the individual measures, _ want to come? i can talk to each of the individual measures, the - want to come? i can talk to each of the individual measures, the prime minister was clear, we are taking long—term decisions on each of these. on students, he made the announcement in may that we are limiting the number of dependents that students can bring over, that comes in from january. care workers and nurses, we introduced a long—term plan for nhs workforce, which will mean that we are training more people in this country to do those jobs. more people in this country to do those jobs-— those jobs. these are long-term decisions. _ those jobs. these are long-term decisions, you've _ those jobs. these are long-term decisions, you've already - those jobs. these are long-term decisions, you've already had . those jobs. these are long-term| decisions, you've already had the long term, you had 13 years and this is what has happened. i long term, you had 13 years and this is what has happened.— is what has happened. i think outside of — is what has happened. i think outside of the _ is what has happened. i think outside of the specific - is what has happened. i think. outside of the specific numbers, is what has happened. i think- outside of the specific numbers, in the last couple of years, there have been unique circumstances. we've seen that with ukraine, we've seen that with hong kong. i think everyone listening at home would have supported us bringing this people over. the have supported us bringing this people over-— have supported us bringing this people over. have supported us bringing this --eole over. , , . ., people over. the biggest change we have seen this _ people over. the biggest change we have seen this week _ people over. the biggest change we have seen this week is _ people over. the biggest