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kibbutz be�*eri during a visit with five other members of the family, this is her son, 8—year—old nave. and her 3—year—old daughter gani yahel, who are also on their way home. the hostages were handed over to the red cross inside gaza and driven across the rafah border with egypt before being transferred to the israel defense forces. a total of 13 israeli hostages were freed on saturday in addition to four thai nationals, released under a separate deal. thailand's prime minister says they are safe, and in good health, eager to contact their relatives. here's what the mother of one thai hostage has told us. translation: happy, i am really ha-- ! translation: happy, i am really happy! before _ translation: happy, i am really happy! before this _ translation: happy, i am really happy! before this i _ translation: happy, i am really happy! before this i was _ translation: happy, i am really happy! before this i was hoping i happy! before this i was hoping that my daughter would be among the ten hostages that would be released. when i saw my daughter's name, i was elated, i cannot describe my feelings. i cannot describe my feelings. i came out and dance with my daughter's eight—year—old daughter's eight—year—old daughter in front of our house. it is hard to describe how i felt. yourjoy. a huge relief! — — purejoy. earlier, i spoke to omer lubaton granot. four of his family members were kidnapped during hamas' attack on israel on october 7th. this might be a difficult question for you to answer, but does what we have been seeing and does tonight's release of hostages give you hope for your relatives, who are still in captivity? of course, of course. our relatives, you know, the people that are on the list are mostly women and children. my cousin shem was captured with her children, 17, ii, nine. on the same day, she suffered so much loss. her husband was murdered, eldest daughter was murdered. their house was burnt. we really had to get some good news, and to understand that they will be among the list in the next days and we're just waiting, hopefully, trying to understand if it is going to happen. have you received any updates on the situation of yourfamily and loved ones, as all? no, we don't. unfortunately not. i know that you lead the hostages and families forum in new york. have you been speaking to other families in a similar situation? what have they told you? we did. it seems like — everyone is in the same situation, now, because they are still waiting. the different families that got part of their hostages back, they still have others that are inside. we see that hamas is separating families again, leaving the fathers behind, leaving their uncles behind, leaving — today they even split a child from its mother. so there is still a lot of tension and people are trying to see what is going on, but so far i think besides those who arrived home today, it seems everyone is in decent condition, not good, but not bad, and it is very relieving to think that they were together, they are ok, as much as possible, and i think that we are also trying to understand what we should do in order to get them back into normal life as much as possible. the israeli government has said that it expects to continue its assaults on gaza after this temporary ceasefire ends. is that something that you and your organisation would support if there are still hostages remaining, once these four or so days of ceasefire and? what is the other option? if this ceasefire will continue, do you think hamas will open the gates and let the people go? what is the other option? the fact that we got this deal at this price that we give them, 150 convicted terrorists for children and innocent people, it was because israel and the us applied a lot of pressure on hamas, whether it is by military means, diplomatic means, or economic means, it doesn't matter. they did what they needed to do to bring back hostages and in order to fight a horrific terror organisation. if the attacks were to continue, we will not see those children coming home. the israeli hostages were released in exchange also all women and children. here they are being welcomed back in the west bank. there had been fears the deal was off after hamas accused israel of reneging on the temporary ceasefire agreement, by not allowing enough aid trucks into gaza. that led to a delay of several hours. let's get more on all of these developments, and what comes next, from our middle east correspondent, tom bateman. the entire scope is around women and children and that is what was mediated by qatar. it is thought there are about 100 women and children among the 240 hostages being held back a month in gaza. we're talking about civilian women children because there may be women soldiers for example being held and they were not calm in the scope of this arrangement between israel and hamas. that 100 number is why we are seeing the possibility that this agreement could be extended over the course of around nine days because they are releasing them at the rate, so far, 13 a day. it takes up to nine days if you were to get 100 women and children released. the agreement says there will be an agreed truce forfour agreement says there will be an agreed truce for four days, potentially allowing for 50 israeli hostages, women and children to be released, 150 palestinians to be released, by the israelis, but it contains what has been described to me as an option to extend. so you would have each day the possibility that a further ten, 11, 12 hostages could be released by, in return for 30 orso released by, in return for 30 or so palestinian prisoners being released and another 24 hours of ceasefire. what we had earlier today were the egyptians in the middle of the when we had the delay, the egyptian saying that things feed on track to extend after the four days for another few days of the truce. the israelis seemed pretty quick to jump on that, according to israeli media, saying that had not been agreed to at all and if there were to be an extension after the four days, that is something that would only be confirmed on the final day, the fourth day ain't in the hours running up to the next part of the agreement. we running up to the next part of the agreement.— running up to the next part of the agreement. we saw two days now, the agreement. we saw two days now. despite _ the agreement. we saw two days now, despite the _ the agreement. we saw two days now, despite the delay, - the agreement. we saw two days now, despite the delay, rather i now, despite the delay, rather successful exchanges here. do you think that could lay the groundwork, for as you mention, potential future days of future exchanges as the two sides tried to get closer to those numbers of 50 and 100? i think that becomes _ numbers of 50 and 100? i think that becomes an _ numbers of 50 and 100? i think that becomes an increasingly i that becomes an increasingly important question because we are now getting towards halfway through the agreed four—day truth and so far, despite the hitches, it is pretty much gone to plan. that will be important to plan. that will be important to qatar, which mediated this, and my sense is what the mediators are trying to do is to build the ground work under these to solidify it and to deepen it into a longer lasting truce, into a longer lasting ceasefire. at the same time, you have increasing noises from the us, from western countries about their concerns about the civilian death toll. in all of this, we had david cameron, the british foreign secretary in a visit to the region over the last 48 hours, raising the issue, thank to many civilians were dying. that is creating a form of pressure. israel has made it very clear that it sees this truce purely in terms of getting hostages released at the end of that period, it will return to a full state of war with hamas and its stated goal of the elimination of hamas. but i think we are beginning to see the tension being played out in public with arab countries saying we should be extended to become a more durable ceasefire. the israelis, it was interesting how quickly they jumped israelis, it was interesting how quickly theyjumped on that report today, just say no way have we agreed to even extend beyond the four days at this stage. that is not in play at the moment. that will be done later on. don't forget, hummus have also said during the course of this —— hummus around the truth, that in their words, their finger the truth, that in their words, theirfinger remains on the truth, that in their words, their finger remains on the trigger so you have the two sides in this very much prepared to return to the fighting, once they get this objective for both of them out of the way, potentially up to 100 hostages released as far as israel is concerned, potentially up to 300 palestinian prisoners are released, as far as hamas is concerned. israel says it has received the list of a third group of hostages, to be released on sunday. officials say their families are being informed. 195 hostages are still being held by hamas in gaza. but for the families of the hostages released on the first day of the agreement, there were reunions like this: a 9—year—old israeli boy, his mother and grandmother, all now free. and, in the west bank, 17—year—old palestinianjamal barameh celebrated his release from an israeli jail. here's what he told reporters there. translation: ican'tj even describe my joy. we were released at five in the morning but we didn't know why until now. we were told there was a prisoner swap deal. may all the prisoners be released soon. were you assaulted? yes, yes. every day, we were suppressed, checked and beaten. i was in the prison on administrative charges and spent eight months there. the prison i was in for was like a graveyard for the living. there was no food there and we were beaten every day. earlier, i spoke to palestinian legal scholar and human rights attorney noura erakat. how do you think these releases of prisoners are being received by palestinians? i think as all palestinians who are living under captivity because of an ongoing occupation for 56 years, apartheid and 75 years of settler colonialism, it is a bit of a relief but it will not be lasting. despite the fact they were released back into society because israel remains the single authority and sovereign from the river to the sea and ruled by military dictate and racist apartheid regime. any of these palestinians, and much more, and be rearrested for being on the wrong side of the street, driving on a segregated road, digging beneath the ground for water too deeply, for going to pray injerusalem without a military permit. so, all of this is within a context and i want to highlight because of context to the audience that israel could have achieved this release, this exchange, precise exchange, in the first week of its onslaught against the palestinians besieged in the gaza strip. it could have achieved it right before the ground invasion on october 27. he could have achieved it before the gutting and incursion of al—shifa hospital. so, as we continue to talk about these exchanges, let's ask ourselves why aren't we insisting on political negotiations? we know that the military solution is not possible and we know that israel's campaign against palestinians, that they say is targeting hamas but is actually collective punishment, is not enhancing the negotiating leverage as this could have been achieved in the first week. and so, we must also remember that there needs to be accountability at this point and the fate of those palestinians, now some 15,000 who have been killed, who can never be brought back to life as a result of the lack of accountability that israel has been afforded. i do want to get to the humanitarian situation in just a moment but as a palestinian legal scholar, what more do we know about the prisoners here that were likely part of this exchange and what kinds of charges they might�*ve been convicted of? so, israel controls the gaza strip as well as the west bank under military law. military law is the suspension of any civilian law and therefore, the ability to create new law and applied retroactively, to detain somebody without charge or trial known as administrative detention. that's how 2000 of some 8000 palestinians are held as prisoner without charge or trial. it's the presumption of guilt rather than the presumption of innocence. it's the inability to cross examine your accuser as well as to see evidence before you. so that anybody brought arbitrarily before a military tribunal in israel has a 99.9% conviction rate of being imprisoned. so, there isn't really due process here. anybody that we call prisoner is also a hostage, more or less, within the system because of the lack of accountability, because of the martial law regime. amongst these, as i mentioned, are 2000 held without charge ortrial, 200, our children, notably israel distinguishes its children which it says are younger than the age of 18 but says that palestinians are only children up until the age of 16, not 18. and so, all of this reflects a very racist, colonial regime, much of this legal order is derived from british colonial rule between the palestinian — the institution of the palestine mandate in 1922 and the establishment of israel in 1948. and so, palestinians are literally waging a struggle against a colonial regime for which there is no accountability and, instead, israel is being supported by those who should be holding them to account. israel says all prisoners were legally detained under the law. qatar has played a significant role in these mediations to get the hostages out. the white house says president biden spoke with qatari officials on the deal and the humanitarian pauses in fighting. a readout of the call, says: the leaders discussed hurdles to implementation of the deal and mechanisms for resolving those hurdles as soon as possible. they agreed to remain in close contact to ensure the deal is fully implemented according to its terms. for more on qatar and the us' role, here's our north america correspondent shingai nyoka. the two leaders have spoken many, many times in the last month or so but this call by president biden no doubt was prompted by concerns that the delay in releasing the second group of hostages could derail a process of negotiation and coaxing that has been weeks in the making. in the call with the qatari leader and prime minister, president biden expressed his gratitude for the role that qatar had played in releasing the hostages — getting the hostages released, but he also talked about the hurdles and how to overcome the hurdles as soon as possible. now, the us has stressed its central role in being able to secure this humanitarian deal, as well as the release of the hostages, but americans are still not among the group that have so far been released and president biden is hoping that three—year—old abigail, who is an israeli—american citizen, will be among those of the 50 that will be released. but they still remain positive that this truce will be able to extend over the four days. well, amid this pause in fighting in gaza, the war in ukraine continues — its capital city coming underfire again. kyiv has issued another air alert for incoming russian drones a day after it was hit by the largest russian drone attack since the war began. officials say more than 75 iranian—made drones were fired at the capital and all but one were shot down. kyiv�*s mayor says at least five people were injured, and ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky called the strikes an act of "wilful terror." it comes as winter is closing in on ukraine and the war is ticking closer to its two—year anniversary. for more on this, i spoke with retired lt colonel alexander vindman. how concerning should an attack of this magnitude be? this attack is probably more of a probing attack for the next phase of russia's winter campaign. their intent is to destroy critical infrastructure in ukraine, hitting plants, electricity generation and right now, i think they've launched these very cost—effective, low—cost drones to identify how ukraine will respond and i think we will see combinations of drones and cruise missiles and surface to air missiles that russia has been using in these ground attack roles —— low—cost drones. that will roll out in the weeks and months to try to destroy ukraine's critical infrastructure but the question is does ukraine have enough defensive capacity to defend against these strikes? the west is providing enormous amount of capability. a lot of input into kyiv to saturate the air defences there but it's unclear if they have sufficient air defence capabilities to weather what's about to come from russia to punish the population. on the one hand, potentially ukraine's air defences may be on the verge of running low. where do their military capabilities stand now after so many months of fighting but what has almost evolved into a lull now with neither side able to make many games? it's different, what's going on on the frontline between the troops that are on the frontline and the strategic and operational capabilities. russia still does have the capability to release drones and continues to buy drones and manufacture drones domestically, based off the iranian blueprints. and ukraine has in getting a large amount of air defence capabilities, patriot missiles, all kind of missiles and all those together, whether they have stocks of air defence missiles than about the drones is unclear, i think the russians are calculating have stockpiled sufficient drones and cruise missiles to penetrate, ultimately, ukraine's air defences —— iris—t. it's probably maybe some wishful thinking on their part. i think it will be close as it has been throughout the war on what ukraine has been able to accumulate in terms of defensive capabilities. this is where i become critical of western and us policies, providing ukraine with just enough resources to maintain the status quo, defend itself but really not change the calculus sufficiently or change the dynamics in ukraine's favour but crosstalk. let's talk about the level of support then for ukraine because recently saw a bill passed in the us congress that did not include extra funding for ukraine, and just a couple of days ago geert wilders, the far right leader in the netherlands, winning the most seats in the government there and potentially has run on a platform of pausing the amount of funding for ukraine as well. what do you make of the level of support right now for ukraine among western allies? the support has been wholly insufficient thus far and it's shocking, european powers still have not met the nato spending threshold of 2% in the midst of a major european war. that's truly disturbing. the us is likely to have a serious debate about funding for ukraine, for israel, for taiwan this week, this coming week and the subsequent weeks before the end of the year and looks like there's probably a deal in the background but again, the margins are too thin. the fact is we shouldn't be in a situation where ukraine is kind of hanging on by a thread, based on the trickle of support. i think the fact is there is a bigger confrontation between authoritarianism and democracy. we see it playing out in the middle east with the same players, frankly. iran in russia and we should be doing more to support our democratic allies, so i think we should not be in the situation but, of course, we are and we have to contend with the reality, which is things are going to be hanging on by a thread for the next several months until we get through this winter, with regards to enough power to heat their homes and then, nothing fundamentally will change through 2024. i think there will be seesaw battles along the frontline but nothing will change because there is not sufficient support coming to ukraine. colonel alexander vindman, former director for european affairs at the us national security council, thank you so much for your perspective. thank you. to other news now and in india, officials say they're considering alternative methods to rescue 41 construction workers from a collapsed tunnel after the blades of the drilling machine became stuck in the debris. our correspondent samira husain is outside the tunnel. the drilling machine that they were using behind me to drill a hole to try and reach the workers that are trapped, that is now broken down completely. and in order to pull it out, it actually needs to pull it out in pieces, so they have to summon another piece of machinery from another city in india, and that machine will then cut the drilling machine into pieces so then, it can then be pulled out. once they are able to pull that out, what they're going to do then is go in manually and start taking out the debris. what's making this rescue effort complicated is that because the tunnel is under construction, mixed in with all the rubble and debris is actually pieces of metal, and that's why the drill continues to get caught and, ultimately, why it broke down and resulting in officials here having to try and figure out a new plan to try and get those men out. let's turn to some other news making headlines at this hour. tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets of italy's main cities in protest at the recent murder of a university student. the demonstrations led to gridlock in the centre of the capital, rome. prosecutors believe the student, giulia cecchettin, was killed by her ex—boyfriend days before she was due to graduate. a stampede at a university music festival in southern india has killed at least 4 students and injured 60 others. the stampede at the cochin university of science and technology in kerala state was triggered when heavy rain prompted the audience to race for shelter. stay with us here on bbc news. i'm carl nasman. hello there. well, it's been a freezing start to the weekend, hasn't it? saturday morning, we had temperatures down at minus eight at shap in cumbria. meanwhile, in spadeadam, also in cumbria, temperatures only reached one degree celsius during the afternoon. now at the moment, we've got clear skies with us, scotland and the bulk of england, and that's allowing a widespread frost to develop, those temperatures continuing to drop away and so, it's a very cold one. the temperatures probably in the countryside getting down to about minus six, minus seven again. this time, north—east scotland having some much colder weather. you'll notice the frost melting away, though, across northern ireland, wales and south west england as we head into the first part of sunday. the reason for that is we've got cloud moving into the west associated with this next area of low pressure, and it's that cloud that really will lift the temperatures as it moves in off the atlantic. and so, some damp weather moves into northern ireland. eventually, we get some damp weather pushing into wales and south west england. the rain quite persistent but probably not all that heavy. however, i think it really will be very cold. okay, towards the end of the day, you might see temperatures climb to about nine or ten in the west, but that's at the end of the day — a very slow rise in temperatures — and for most of the day, we're a lot lower than that. i think scotland and a good part of central and eastern england should hang on to some bright or hazy sunny spells for most of the day. now, through sunday night, it's a bit more rain to come for northern ireland, england and wales. our area of low pressure moves into the continent. we then get some cold air coming back in to the north of the uk. showers turning increasingly to snow across modest hills in northern scotland and still a lot of cloud further south. and for most, monday will be another cold day. temperatures quite widely again around six or seven degrees below average for the time of year. and this cold weather looks like it's going to last, to me, a long time — at least a week, could be two weeks. why do i say that? well, even into next weekend, the weather pattern�*s very blocked with high pressure dominating across the arctic and the greenland area and we continue to see these cold north to north—easterly winds. could there be some snow? well, we'll certainly see some snow in the showers affecting parts of scotland but there are scenarios where weather systems could bump in to the cold air and we see rain turn to snow elsewhere. problem is the details just aren't there at the moment, so it's a difficult week ahead for us forecasters. what i do know is it is going to stay cold throughout with some sharp frosts around and temperatures really struggling — well below average. watch out for a mix of rain and maybe a bit of snow at times, too. voice—over: this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. this week, is it a boat or as a plane? i am on board the ferry that can fly! why has nobody made an electric hydrofoil, flying very before? i think the main reason is it is very hard! we are in india where solar dryers are battling food waste. and denying the sky on energy use. nice outfit by the way. thank you. i'm taking the world temperature to assess climate action. stockholm, capital of sweden and the city of islands, 14 of them to be precise which makes water transport a big thing around these parts. so today i have decided to take the ferry.

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