reunited with their families and the. and as and i was taking us through in the last few minutes, we have had the first official confirmation of two of those hostages, a 72—year—old and 78—year—old, so we know among the hostages those two, but a number of children that we knew had been negotiated in this the first group on this the first of four days of hostage releases. let's go straight back to tel aviv. my colleague anna foster is in tel aviv. you've been talking about how all the people gather behind you there had been trying to keep a lid on their emotions until they got to this moment, it must be a very different feeling in the last few moments. it different feeling in the last few moments. , ., different feeling in the last few moments. , . ., , moments. it is, and as we say, we have spoken _ moments. it is, and as we say, we have spoken to _ moments. it is, and as we say, we have spoken to so _ moments. it is, and as we say, we have spoken to so many _ moments. it is, and as we say, we have spoken to so many families l moments. it is, and as we say, we| have spoken to so many families of the hostages, it's been such a nervous time for many, and if you were watching earlier, we were talking to gil dickman, who is back now, we now have the confirmation that it now, we now have the confirmation thatitis now, we now have the confirmation that it is getting closer and closer. clearly an emotional moment for you. closer. clearly an emotional moment foryou. i closer. clearly an emotional moment for ou. �* , closer. clearly an emotional moment for ou. , v for you. i can't believe it's finally here, _ for you. i can't believe it's finally here, i— for you. i can't believe it's finally here, i haven't - for you. i can't believe it's| finally here, i haven't seen for you. i can't believe it's - finally here, i haven't seen the pictures— finally here, i haven't seen the pictures yet but i family members of the kids_ pictures yet but i family members of the kids were coming back home now, i can't _ the kids were coming back home now, i can't believe it. it's so happy to ican't believe it. it's so happy to know— ican't believe it. it's so happy to know they— i can't believe it. it's so happy to know they are here in israel it territory i _ know they are here in israel it territory i feel as if part of my family— territory i feel as if part of my family came back i think many israelis — family came back i think many israelis feel the same and i hope we -et israelis feel the same and i hope we get to— israelis feel the same and i hope we get to see _ israelis feel the same and i hope we get to see our relatives back as well— get to see our relatives back as well to, — get to see our relatives back as well to, really soon, it's a blessed moment — well to, really soon, it's a blessed moment. , ., , ., ., , moment. these are your family members _ moment. these are your family members who _ moment. these are your family members who you're _ moment. these are your family members who you're waiting i moment. these are your family| members who you're waiting for moment. these are your family - members who you're waiting for you knew would not be released today, and you know they won't be released as part of this deal. milli and you know they won't be released as part of this deal.— as part of this deal. will stay ho eful, as part of this deal. will stay hepeful. but _ as part of this deal. will stay hopeful, but we _ as part of this deal. will stay hopeful, but we think- as part of this deal. will stay hopeful, but we think they . as part of this deal. will stay l hopeful, but we think they are as part of this deal. will stay - hopeful, but we think they are not going _ hopeful, but we think they are not going to _ hopeful, but we think they are not going to be released within the next few days, _ going to be released within the next few days, but we never know, but seeing _ few days, but we never know, but seeing or— few days, but we never know, but seeing or hearing, finally, i saw a picture _ seeing or hearing, finally, i saw a picture of. — seeing or hearing, finally, i saw a picture of, can we name names? we are picture of, can we name names? are starting to picture of, can we name names? - are starting to name some of the names of their coming through, some of the names we are starting to release as the families group is starting to slowly release those names, we were talking about adding a marsh, marg leave moses, we are certain to get the pictures through. just behind us, there is a guy taking — just behind us, there is a guy taking off— just behind us, there is a guy taking off the names of the kidnapped from the signs on the side i’ili'it kidnapped from the signs on the side right here _ kidnapped from the signs on the side right here just, kidnapped from the signs on the side right herejust, i kidnapped from the signs on the side right here just, i can't believe they— right here just, i can't believe they are — right here just, i can't believe they are finally here. i'm not sure i they are finally here. i'm not sure i have _ they are finally here. i'm not sure i have the — they are finally here. i'm not sure i have the words to say. sometimes it's hard to — i have the words to say. sometimes it's hard to find _ i have the words to say. sometimes it's hard to find the _ i have the words to say. sometimes it's hard to find the words _ i have the words to say. sometimes it's hard to find the words at - it's hard to find the words at moments like this, isn't it? and for you, the possibility there may be some information that some of the released hostages might have seen your relatives are spoken to them or held with them will stop it's a possibility. held with them will stop it's a possibility-— held with them will stop it's a ossibili . ., ., , ., ., possibility. that would be a dream, i'm afraid hamas _ possibility. that would be a dream, i'm afraid hamas holds _ possibility. that would be a dream, i'm afraid hamas holds them - i'm afraid hamas holds them separately and would not release anyone _ separately and would not release anyone that can tell us about the hostages — anyone that can tell us about the hostages that are still there. this isjust_ hostages that are still there. this isjust a _ hostages that are still there. this isjust a happy moment, really. it's a breath— isjust a happy moment, really. it's a breath of— isjust a happy moment, really. it's a breath of fresh air to note that it's possible we did not think it will be — it's possible we did not think it will be possible to see the pictures of people _ will be possible to see the pictures of people finally here now is just a blessed _ of people finally here now is just a blessed moment several weeks after it all happened on a saturday, friday— it all happened on a saturday, friday evening,. let's hope we see many— friday evening,. let's hope we see many more — friday evening,. let's hope we see many more days like this. speaking of pictures. — many more days like this. speaking of pictures. if— many more days like this. speaking of pictures, if we _ many more days like this. speaking of pictures, if we look _ many more days like this. speaking of pictures, if we look over - many more days like this. speaking of pictures, if we look over your - of pictures, if we look over your shoulder, if we can bring the camera around. ., ., , , ., , around. the word for emily is only means i around. the word for emily is only means i am _ around. the word for emily is only means i am back _ around. the word for emily is only means i am back home. _ around. the word for emily is only means i am back home. and - around. the word for emily is only | means i am back home. and those ictures means i am back home. and those pictures being _ means i am back home. and those pictures being put _ means i am back home. and those pictures being put onto _ means i am back home. and those pictures being put onto the - means i am back home. and those pictures being put onto the tel - pictures being put onto the tel aviv museum of arts, and we are expecting to see pictures of those released hostages which will slowly begin to be put on the wall to see emilia aloni home, isjust. as you said, you have seen their families, you know there relatives and even though these are your family members he clearly means so much to you. i clearly means so much to you. i think i can speak for so many people in israet— think i can speak for so many people in israel right now. it's so good. yafa _ in israel right now. it's so good. yafa adar, — in israel right now. it's so good. yafa adar, people saw that picture of her being taken away. i was yafa adar, people saw that picture of her being taken away. i was 'ust with her granddaughter. �* of her being taken away. i was 'ust with her granddaughter. wow. h of her being taken away. i wasjust with her granddaughter. wow. i'm| of her being taken away. i wasjust i with her granddaughter. wow. i'm so happy— with her granddaughter. wow. i'm so happy for— with her granddaughter. wow. i'm so happy for them doesn't make it real to see? _ happy for them doesn't make it real to see? �* happy for them doesn't make it real to see? . ., happy for them doesn't make it real to see? �* ., , happy for them doesn't make it real to see? . ., , , . , , to see? and to see their pictures up there now like _ to see? and to see their pictures up there now like that, _ to see? and to see their pictures up there now like that, and _ to see? and to see their pictures up there now like that, and see - to see? and to see their pictures up there now like that, and see the - there now like that, and see the words. i there now like that, and see the words. ~' ., ., words. i think the final moment will be when their— words. i think the final moment will be when their family _ words. i think the final moment will be when their family actually - words. i think the final moment will be when their family actually meetsj be when their family actually meets them _ be when their family actually meets them and _ be when their family actually meets them and gets a hug them but it actually— them and gets a hug them but it actually says" i am back home". and it feels— actually says" i am back home". and it feels finat — actually says" i am back home". and it feels final. yes, it's possible, i it feels final. yes, it's possible, iwasn't — it feels final. yes, it's possible, i wasn't sure it was possible with a terrors— i wasn't sure it was possible with a terrors like — i wasn't sure it was possible with a terrors like hamas, he didn't think it was— terrors like hamas, he didn't think it was possible but now you know it can be _ it was possible but now you know it can be done — it was possible but now you know it can be done and we know it is within our reach _ can be done and we know it is within our reach to— can be done and we know it is within our reach to bring more people home. tell us more about as you say you've spent time with these families they become friends of yours almost extended family to you what has it been like for you and them over the last several weeks not just been like for you and them over the last several weeks notjust knowing that your loved ones were taken hostage but not having any information about how they were physically or where there were being held? the physically or where there were being held? ., ., ., ., held? the word nightmare would not describe how— held? the word nightmare would not describe how it _ held? the word nightmare would not describe how it feels, _ held? the word nightmare would not describe how it feels, and _ held? the word nightmare would not describe how it feels, and i - describe how it feels, and i think they feit— describe how it feels, and i think they felt the same as i did stop we could _ they felt the same as i did stop we could talk— they felt the same as i did stop we could talk about this thing among ourselves— could talk about this thing among ourselves because we understood what it means, _ ourselves because we understood what it means, not knowing or having any signs— it means, not knowing or having any signs of— it means, not knowing or having any signs of life — it means, not knowing or having any signs of life. and i can't even imagine _ signs of life. and i can't even imagine what they are experiencing i’ili'it imagine what they are experiencing right now — imagine what they are experiencing right now. understanding that what they hoped for and prayed for for such a _ they hoped for and prayed for for such a long time became a reality, and its _ such a long time became a reality, and its mixed with so much sadness because _ and its mixed with so much sadness because many of the people whose names— because many of the people whose names are — because many of the people whose names are here and many people who came _ names are here and many people who came back— names are here and many people who came back and names are not here, they lost— came back and names are not here, they lost love ones and they would have to _ they lost love ones and they would have to find a way to tell the people — have to find a way to tell the people who came back, the hostages, about— people who came back, the hostages, about their— people who came back, the hostages, about their lost love ones. i really hope _ about their lost love ones. i really hope they— about their lost love ones. i really hope they find the proper way to do this, it's _ hope they find the proper way to do this, it's all— hope they find the proper way to do this, it's all so messed up. | this, it's all so messed up. i went to rive this, it's all so messed up. i went to give you _ this, it's all so messed up. i went to give you a moments _ this, it's all so messed up. i went to give you a moments gil - this, it's all so messed up. i went- to give you a moments gil dickmann, we note you have worked so hard and tirelessly you have, here and wanted to talk about this and do your bit to talk about this and do your bit to keep peoples names in the spotlight, and i will give you a moment now to take this in and look at those pictures and to hope that your family at those pictures and to hope that yourfamily members, at some point yourfamily members, at some point you will be seeing them again. yafa adar granddaughter i'm so happy for her, adar granddaughter i'm so happy for her. we _ adar granddaughter i'm so happy for her, we were just together a few days— her, we were just together a few days ago— her, we were just together a few days ago in— her, we were just together a few days ago in parliament. that's make sure it _ days ago in parliament. that's make sure it happens again and again and again _ sure it happens again and again and again. because we missed so many people. _ again. because we missed so many people. we — again. because we missed so many people, we want them back, now we know— people, we want them back, now we know it _ people, we want them back, now we know it is _ people, we want them back, now we know it is possible, and we know how -ood know it is possible, and we know how good it _ know it is possible, and we know how good it is _ know it is possible, and we know how good it is to _ know it is possible, and we know how good it is to see them here. we can make _ good it is to see them here. we can make it _ good it is to see them here. we can make it. thank you very much for being _ make it. thank you very much for being here — make it. thank you very much for being here-— make it. thank you very much for being here. thank you, to see and hear our being here. thank you, to see and hear your reaction _ being here. thank you, to see and hear your reaction at _ being here. thank you, to see and hear your reaction at the moment | hear your reaction at the moment like this, i think it tells people watching around the world how impertinent this moment is, and looking again at this pictures here we are seeing on the wall, the location i am talking from the square outside the tel aviv museum of art, and these are the pictures of art, and these are the pictures of hostages. the faces that are so well—known now it here in israel, you can see emilia aloni, five years old, we are starting to see and hear and some of the pictures projected on the wall. we are hearing from families like gil dickmann, and no doubt from otherfamilies families like gil dickmann, and no doubt from other families over the coming hours and days as we start to hear more about that released hostages and more about their names and confirmation of their identities. we have been looking at whether at these pictures. i want to tell you more about some of the hostages who have been released now we have picture i can surely know of adina moshe, she is 72 years old, details released by the family about her, she was adopted from her home, her, she was adopted from her home, her husband was murdered on the 7th of october. she is the metre of four children —— mother, and herfamily said she's back now in the arms of her grandchildren and children, returns or hobbies of cooking and growing plants and pictures we can surely as well of margalit moses, she's a cancer survivor, nature lover, loves birds. and she has poor health but the information that has been released about her, she was on a cruise in northern norway in the summer, plans to go to mozambique later, hopefully, loves knitting sweaters for her grandchildren. these are stories of people who have been held hostage in gaza for these last seven weeks are so and have now been released emilia aloni and daniel aloni, and we saw their pictures on the wall. emilia aloni, six years old was kidnapped, they were visiting daniel aloni sister, sharon, on on that morning on the 7th of october daniel aloni since her last message to the family she was telling them their were terrorist in the house and they were afraid they would not survive it and tonight both daniel and emelia are among the 13 is really hostages have been released in the last few hours and are back in israel tonight. you can hear the sound in tel aviv emma and i want to show you in this direction as well. you can see the people are gathering here in what is now known as hostages square here in tel aviv, that empty chebbak table, which runs through the centre of the square as gil dickmann was telling us those some of the shares of been taken away to represent the hostages, and the first of 50 hostages, and the first of 50 hostages released over the next three days and we have that release of some thailand hostages as well, we heard from the qatari foreign ministry, 11 thailand hostages released as well. and you can hear on the far side of the square, some singing and chairs of people having been released. singing. fabulous scenes there and such a release _ singing. fabulous scenes there and such a release and _ singing. fabulous scenes there and such a release and anna _ singing. fabulous scenes there and such a release and anna thank - singing. fabulous scenes there and such a release and anna thank you l such a release and anna thank you for taking us through such an emotional interview, i will back to you in a moment, buti emotional interview, i will back to you in a moment, but i have the full list in front of me that the israeli authorities have just release and scanning my eyes down it the youngest of the hostages released, it looks like there was two years old, there is a four—year—old and a five—year—old and some of the elderly hostages, and 85—year—old that anna was taking us through and a range of ages and people, and those people that have gathered there in the square just the release after those details. and some, the 85—year—old i was talking about, and one by one those pictures now illuminated on the wall, and such a relief for all of those families and of course itself for the other families there in the square as they watch and no their love ones not amongst the first batch but as i see, the full list being released and some of the pictures they're appearing on the wall. live now to shoham in israel where we can speak to keren schem, her daughter mia schem was taken hostage on october the 7th. as you watch those scenes, give me an idea of what you're feeling question mark i am glad for all those families question mark i am glad for all those familie— question mark i am glad for all those familie ., ., , ., , ., those families who are been able to hu: their those families who are been able to hug their sons. _ those families who are been able to hug their sons, their _ those families who are been able to hug their sons, their daughters, - hug their sons, their daughters, their parents know. it is a big relief and also tough that my daughter is still there. it is daughter is still there. it is really excruciating, - daughter is still there. it is really excruciating, is - daughter is still there. it is really excruciating, is to i daughter is still there. it is really excruciating, is to it, for the families who have to wait, the night before? presumably it are within last night to see if you got a call, is that how it works? for the families to sit there and wait to be contacted by the authorities? it is exactly like that, we sit here and wait for someone to call us and tell us if my daughter is in the list or isn't. so, it's really tough. list or isn't. so, it's really tou~h. . , list or isn't. so, it's really tou~h. ., , ., ., tough. tell me a bit more than about our tough. tell me a bit more than about your daughter. _ tough. tell me a bit more than about your daughter, how _ tough. tell me a bit more than about your daughter, how old _ tough. tell me a bit more than about your daughter, how old she - tough. tell me a bit more than about your daughter, how old she was, - tough. tell me a bit more than about| your daughter, how old she was, how she was taken, and how you think she might have been holding up? mr; might have been holding up? ij�*i daughter might have been holding up? m daughter is might have been holding up? m1: daughter is 21, might have been holding up? m1 daughter is 21, she went to the nova festival, and she's sent a text messages on october seventh for one of herfriends messages on october seventh for one of her friends that were in the party, and she wrote a book or they are at us" please come save us. and we got this information that may be realised that she did escape from the party when she saw the rockets flying in the air and she and her friend who was kidnapped to, they drove in the car and were ambushed and terrorist shot the car and the wheels, and from here i don't know how exactly she was kidnapped, but it is a very traumatic. i don't know how many friends she saw slaughtered and dine in front of her, i don't know how she was kidnapped. as we can see in the video that hamas released on october 16, she had an operation, i guess she was shot in the hand, it may be in the leg too, we didn't see her legs in this video, on the a part of her body and, i don't know in what condition she is. i don't know where they operated her, in a seller, in hospital, did she get medicine was to mark and the doctor here said she needs another surgery because she can't move her fingers needs another surgery because she can't move herfingers now. and she suffers from another medical problem so... every minute that she is staying there is risk in her life. she has to come here to hospital in israel, and we have to take care of her. figs israel, and we have to take care of her. �* , ., , israel, and we have to take care of her. a. , ., her. as a parents, that sounds absolutely _ her. as a parents, that sounds absolutely awful, _ her. as a parents, that sounds absolutely awful, every - her. as a parents, that sounds absolutely awful, every single | absolutely awful, every single detail that you take us through. in terms of what a day like today means to you, just try to describe that as we watch the footage that has just coming to us from the idf of that final crossing getting back into israel. i final crossing getting back into israel. ., ., final crossing getting back into israel. ., israel. i have to say, as i said, i am very — israel. i have to say, as i said, i am very happy _ israel. i have to say, as i said, i am very happy to _ israel. i have to say, as i said, i am very happy to see _ israel. i have to say, as i said, i am very happy to see hostages| israel. i have to say, as i said, i- am very happy to see hostages coming from there to israel. i didn't know what to expect, if it's going to happen. so, isee what to expect, if it's going to happen. so, i see people, what to expect, if it's going to happen. so, isee people, i what to expect, if it's going to happen. so, i see people, i see the young children, and it makes me really happy, but it is also very difficult, it is very difficult to know that my daughter and so many other children and women and men are still there in darkness with no food i don't know. it's terrible situation. it i don't know. it's terrible situation.— i don't know. it's terrible situation. ., , , , situation. it really is, 'ust tell me, we situation. it really is, 'ust tell me. we have i situation. it really is, 'ust tell me, we have four_ situation. it really is, just tell me, we have four days - situation. it really is, just tell me, we have four days of - situation. it really is, just tellj me, we have four days of this situation. it really is, just tell. me, we have four days of this so presumably what you described earlier of simply having to wait to find out if you are unless it's repeated on date to accommodate three therefore and you don't know as were talking now. but if you get to the end of day for, i know you don't want to get into politics and i don't want to draw you too much into it, but do you think the war should restart because that is what the government is saying? i should restart because that is what the government is saying?- the government is saying? i think that israel must _ the government is saying? i think that israel must bring _ the government is saying? i think that israel must bring the - the government is saying? i think. that israel must bring the hostages, all of them, back home emma and it's not myjob to decide how, all i know is the work kidnapped, innocent citizens, from parties, from their houses and it is our duty to bring them back. houses and it is our duty to bring them back-— houses and it is our duty to bring them back. ., ,, them back. keren schem, thank you for talking to — them back. keren schem, thank you for talking to us, _ them back. keren schem, thank you for talking to us, i _ them back. keren schem, thank you for talking to us, i know— them back. keren schem, thank you for talking to us, i know today - for talking to us, i know today although it is so hopeful for the families to see pictures like this on the screen, it is also a very difficult they for those families who are not, don't have love ones included in the 13 so thank you for taking time to speak into us, and good luck in the coming days. dinky for here on the programme. thank ou. mark regev is a senior adviser to the israeli prime minister and the former israeli ambassador to the united kingdom. welcome to the programme, i know you were listening to the end of that interview, it is so difficult for all of those families, but just to regroup and take stock. it is worth, because we have spent the afternoon looking at fragments of information, just confirmation from you and the government that those hostages are not home. i government that those hostages are not home. .., _, ., not home. i can confirm that officially. — not home. i can confirm that officially. 13 _ not home. i can confirm that officially, 13 israelis - not home. i can confirm that officially, 13 israelis are - not home. i can confirm that officially, 13 israelis are now| not home. i can confirm that - officially, 13 israelis are now back on is really soiled, i have the list of the names in front of me, six women over the age of 70, elderly woman, and mothers with their children. the youngest is a child but she is two years old. her older sister rise is three years old, and in a separate family, there's a young girl called emilia aloni and she is five. now, why do i say all this? you recall that hamas has told the international media repeatedly and the bbc that there october seven attack was against military targets in israel, and maybe you heard that yourself, but the fact today that we are seeing the release of children, to euros, 3 euros, 5 euros and 89—year—old, how can anyone take seriously what these people say when they talk to the press? the hamas leadership, whether in qatar, lebanon, turkey, when in an interview they have denied their attack was against civilians, is ludicrous. it's time the international community took everything hamas said with a grain of salt. £31 everything hamas said with a grain of salt. . ., , , everything hamas said with a grain of salt. _, , , ., of salt. of course, there is no doubt about _ of salt. of course, there is no doubt about the _ of salt. of course, there is no doubt about the abomination | of salt. of course, there is no l doubt about the abomination of taking hostages, that has been condemned almost universally, as we watch those pictures of the hostages crossing into israel, let me ask you a bit of the details, i know will be delicate, there will be some detail you can't share and some you can, but how are the hostages? it’s you can't share and some you can, but how are the hostages?- but how are the hostages? it's too earl for but how are the hostages? it's too early for me _ but how are the hostages? it's too early for me to _ but how are the hostages? it's too early for me to give _ but how are the hostages? it's too early for me to give a _ but how are the hostages? it's too early for me to give a report, - early for me to give a report, obviously, these people have been for some 50 days under hamas's control, our assumption is underground in some dungeon or tunnel, i don't want to say anything about their physical or emotional state, i can only think about what traumatic experiences they have gone through and anything else that i would set the stage would be irresponsible. they have to be probably checked out, they have only had initial checks, and there's obviously a long process for all of them. it needs to be said that some of them, i think most of them have family members still in gaza, the men who have not been freed, and here we have to say, as the previous interviewee said, there are still over 100 hostages, interviewee said, there are still over100 hostages, is interviewee said, there are still over 100 hostages, is really hostages left inside gaza, so is bittersweet. we are happy for the people who got out, yes, it is great they got out, their lives have been saved, but the vast majority of hostages are still in gaza under the control of hamas. according to the deal, overthe control of hamas. according to the deal, over the next four days, we are supposed to get 50 out, so that means if my maths is correct, and 37 have to be released tomorrow or the day after or the day after that, thatis day after or the day after that, that is hamas's obligation, and for the extension of the cease—fire, the humanitarian pause, we are willing to extend it for additional hostages to extend it for additional hostages to be released. we are willing to extended for from fortis to five or six if ten additional hostages are released. so it is in hamas's court. we know that's the formula outlined and we are looking at the pictures from ofer prison because from there 39 palestinian prisoners have been released as part of today's deal, and that has taken place. john wasn't spoke to me a few days ago about the risk in his views of this deal allowing hamas of setting the agenda, the ability of hamas to release more hostages and extend the cease—fire and injohn bolton's view, do you recognise those risk in his view of handing them the agenda to set a timeline? it his view of handing them the agenda to set a timeline?— to set a timeline? it was not and is easy decision _ to set a timeline? it was not and is easy decision taken _ to set a timeline? it was not and is easy decision taken by _ to set a timeline? it was not and is easy decision taken by the - easy decision taken by the government, whatever decision taken would contain risk, there is no risk proved structurally here, but the decision was taken to prioritise getting the hostages out at this stage, at the same time, we have reiterated our goal that we will resume our military campaign against hamas, that is necessary. and the bottom line is this, israel refused to live next to this terrorist enclave on our southern border controlled by hamas, and we saw what brutal violence they are capable of. sb frank, when hamas leaders are interviewed, and we believe them at this point, given their opportunity and capability they would do october the 7th again, they said they would do that again and again and again, we must deny them the capability and to do that we must destroy the military machine. i to do that we must destroy the military machine.— to do that we must destroy the military machine. i will come back to that, military machine. i will come back to that. but _ military machine. i will come back to that, but the _ military machine. i will come back to that, but the defence - military machine. i will come back to that, but the defence ministerl to that, but the defence minister said the operation will be resumed with full military force after the pause, we have listened to the human stories there of the people, the individuals of the 13 that have been released, do you think that as we see more of the releases that actually restart in this war, that becomes harder, distant? == actually restart in this war, that becomes harder, distant? -- doesn't it? on the contrary _ becomes harder, distant? -- doesn't it? on the contrary we _ becomes harder, distant? -- doesn't it? on the contrary we doesn't - becomes harder, distant? -- doesn't it? on the contrary we doesn't thinkl it? on the contrary we doesn't think there is a difference between military pressure on hamas, we don't believe that these releases today that hamas are suddenly humanitarians or in—line with international law, they delivered a brutal attack on october seven, rapes, murdering people alive, messer and pete massacring people in a ditch. terrible violence. so they didn't change. it is still up hamas, they are releasing hostages because of the military pressure they are under, we are destroying their military machine, eliminating their command, they are facing the blows of the idf stop on that point, benjamin netanyahu repeated right throu~hout benjamin netanyahu repeated right throughout this _ benjamin netanyahu repeated right throughout this war _ benjamin netanyahu repeated right throughout this war that _ benjamin netanyahu repeated right throughout this war that the - throughout this war that the objective is to destroy hamas emma and he goes on to say, they will get all of the hostages out. are those two things to realistic to say at the same time? why would hamas give you the rest of the hostages when you the rest of the hostages when you are promising to wipe them out? why would hamas give us hostages today? they are under military pressure. it is a strategy proven working and as we increase the pressure on hamas and they become more desperate for a cease—fire, i think the probability, of course, we are dealing with a brutal and ruthless enemy. sometimes it is a matter of managing the risk. but the strategy of keeping up the pressure on hamas so far has facilitated the first serious deal on the release of hostages. it first serious deal on the release of hostaues. . first serious deal on the release of hostaues. , ., , first serious deal on the release of hostaues. . ., , first serious deal on the release of hostaues. _, , , ' hostages. it is only 13, may be 15. out of 240- _ hostages. it is only 13, may be 15. out of 240. what _ hostages. it is only 13, may be 15. out of 240. what | _ hostages. it is only 13, may be 15. out of 240. what i am pressing . hostages. it is only 13, may be 15. i out of 240. what i am pressing you on is ultimately whether you can get all of the hostages out if you continue to say to the people that you are trying to negotiate with, we are going to wipe you out? i you are trying to negotiate with, we are going to wipe you out?- are going to wipe you out? i think the strategy _ are going to wipe you out? i think the strategy of — are going to wipe you out? i think the strategy of military _ are going to wipe you out? i think the strategy of military pressure i are going to wipe you out? i think. the strategy of military pressure on hamas has worked so far. it is not just 13. theoretically and we can have this conversation tomorrow in the day after. they have committed to release 50 and they have the option if they want to avoid the idf's option if they want to avoid the idf�*s blows for a fifth and sixth day they just need idf�*s blows for a fifth and sixth day theyjust need to release more people. i think the combination of