as the plan comes into focus. is there some cause for optimism at last? with the names of those being swapped tomorrow now known to israel and hamas, the stage is set for a four—day truce, we'll find out how it might work. also tonight, violence on the streets of dublin following a knife attack in the city centre earlier today. we'll have the latest. as a right—wing populist party wins the most seats in the dutch parliament, nick is in the netherlands finding out how they did it and what lies ahead. this really is a huge moment. here we are in amsterdam in the heart of the netherlands, which is one of the originalfounding members of the netherlands, which is one of the original founding members of the european union. this country has given first place in the general election to a far right leader. with the uk recording 670,000 immigrants in the year up tojune, we'll unpick government plans to get the numbers under control. and we meet two people who were child refugees, with quite different perspectives on the conflict in the middle east. it's the hatred that is instilled into young people in general. they are being brainwashed. i into young people in general. they are being brainwashed.— are being brainwashed. i strongly believe that _ are being brainwashed. i strongly believe that the _ are being brainwashed. i strongly believe that the only _ are being brainwashed. i strongly believe that the only way - are being brainwashed. i strongly believe that the only way forward i are being brainwashed. i strongly l believe that the only way forward is for us _ believe that the only way forward is for us to— believe that the only way forward is for us to share that space inequality within a democracy. good evening. there's hope tonight that an exchange of israelis and palestinians will follow a temporary ceasefire beginning at seven tomorrow morning. if it works out, and a truce holds, it will be followed by three more days of the same, bringing freedom to more than 50 israeli women and children abducted on the 7th of october in return for 150 palestinians detained by the israelis. there have been false dawns before, a couple of times we thought the exchanges were about to begin, but today it's been confirmed by the qatari foreign ministry, who've helped set up the swap, and the names of those about to be freed have been shared. here'sjoe. what more do we know about the detail? , ., . ., , ., detail? there will be a ceasefire at seven o'clock _ detail? there will be a ceasefire at seven o'clock local— detail? there will be a ceasefire at seven o'clock local time _ detail? there will be a ceasefire at seven o'clock local time tomorrow| seven o'clock local time tomorrow and at four o'clock the crucial moment, when 30 israeli hostages, women and children, will be released and into the hands of the red cross. at the same time about three times that number of palestinian women and children who have been detained, some without charge, are going to be released. we don't know where they will go, but there is speculation to the west bank. what will be coming into gaza is 200 trucks of aid, much needed, along with four trucks of fuel a day. this is a big breakthrough if it happens. we have been speaking to those who have watched these things closely and they have said it is optimism but cautious optimism. i think there is reasonable expectation the process can begin. the question is once it begins will it have a sort of traction and will each side give one another the margin that is required to actually see 50 israelis returned and the first tranche of 150 palestinian prisoners? so i'd say at this point, given the weeks of negotiation, it is reasonable to expect that at least day one will begin. i know it hasn't started yet and people are wondering about what happens beyond this four—day plan? the israelis have said that their mission to destroy hamas continues and hamas says their finger remains on the trigger. but it is notjust down to those two parties. israel has needed backing from its international allies in the eu and international allies in the eu and in the us and there is a slight shift in mood music there. we have an article published by president biden, and on the palestinian side it is hoped that some pressure can be brought to bear on the israelis during this pause. i think in closed rooms a lot of the policymakers in europe and in washington who initially were saying war is the solution, we are going to let israel do the job, this is going to be resolved, i think they're having a rethink and i think that they are growing increasingly concerned not just about the human toll of this on gazza, but also about the fact that netanyahu doesn't have a political solution in mind and keeping this war to run on in perpetuity isjust not possible. an important point is the israelis have said that every ten hostages hamas release beyond the original 50, they will allow the ceasefire to continue for another day. interestingly, they have released the names of 300 palestinians who they think can be released. 0nly150 are accounted for in the three to one ratio for the initial hostages. it seems like they are planning for more hostages to be released and for the ceasefire to go on a few days more at least. earlier we spoke to danny ayalon, a former deputy foreign minister and israeli ambassador to the us, and began by asking him whether the deal brokered by qatar and america is a good one for his country. well, any deal which alleviates human suffering, which even brings one person out of this brutality, the savagery of the hamas terrorist prison, is good. of course, we are very happy for everyone who was out and theirfamilies, and of course we are very much bleeding, our heart is bleeding for those who are left behind. but unfortunately, hamas is a terror organisation, just like isis, and they are trading with blood. they are dragging it over, israel suggested, from day one. bring them all home and we will release everyone you want from here, even though we are talking about murderers with blood on their hands, terrorists. we were willing to release all of them just to get the hostages home. of course they were not interested, but now, when they feel the grunt but now, when they feel the brunt of the israeli ground operation and they are fearing for their survival, they are starting to acquiesce. beyond these four days, there is a possibility if more hostages are released to extend the truce. but if that doesn't happen, prime minister netanyahu has been clear — the war is back on. the objective is to free gaza and, frankly, the palestinian people from the hamas terrorist grip. this is something which is given, and the americans, from president biden all the way down through his administration, they understand it because when hamas terrorists are there, there is no peace, there is no coexistence, and any future agreement that we may think of... people talk about a two—state solution for two peoples. i, for one, am very much for it. but in order to do that you have to have a partner. a partner which is trustworthy and believes in peace as well. the hamas terrorists have taken the entire gaza strip as a hostage, turned it into a bunker, an underground, formidable military installation. i am just wondering, if you are going to press on with the war into the south, where all of those people went who fled from the north, a million people, the consequences for civilians are going to be even more horrific, aren't they? hamas is doing double war crimes. they are indiscriminately targeting our civilians and they are hiding behind their own civilians as human shields. so we are trying to navigate and be very careful about it, but there is one solution... we know the toll has been heavy and the prime minister himself has said that israel has not succeeded in sparing civilian casualties in gaza. if you look at the geneva convention, if a terrorist takes over a school and turns it into a military bunker, it is no longer protected by the geneva convention. it is a legitimate military target. but i will tell you, hamas... i mean, we can still find some way out, and the offer is still there. a safe exit, a safe way out for the hamas leaders, even though they are terrorists and they should be brought intojustice... if they leave and we can secure a safe passage for them to qatar or whenever, then everybody will be spared, and first and foremost, their own population in gaza. but they have no regard, not just for israelis, they have no regard to their own. that's the problem. if that isn't forthcoming, that offer to remove the hamas leadership, the defence minister today was talking about another two months for this campaign. is american and wider support going to hold up for another two months with losses of life at this level? i believe so. the goal, the objective is to get the hamas, isis—type out. because they are the main obstacle to any breakthrough in the middle east. and if we ever want to think of stability or prosperity, peace in the middle east, it cannot be with hamas. as long as hamas is there, the situation is very dangerous and the only ones enjoying the situation are the iranians, and who backs the iranians, which economically is china, politically and militarily, it's russia. we have to understand, we are here, it is a part of real—world conflict. lastly, i just want to ask you, the leadership may go and you have obviously killed a good number of the military commanders in this campaign. but when this ends, the idea of hamas and some of their cadres will still be there in the community. how do you stop them taking over again? i think that the solution, you know... we should not invent the wheel here. just like in europe, in bosnia in the �*90s, after the war was over elections took place. but — and this is the big but — in the elections, who was allowed to run? 0nly political parties that had rid themselves from any possession of weapons. terror organisations cannot run. the mistake we made, all of us, in 2006 was that we allowed hamas to run, and hamas was a terror organisation, they were well armed. you cannot really run with bullets into the ballots. now i am joined by hannah bond who is the co—director of policy and advocacy at action aid uk. welcome to the studio. what do you hope will happen once the ceasefire comes into place tomorrow morning? we hope it will mean the release of some of the hostages, which will be very welcome. unfortunately not all of the hostages. we hope it will be an opportunity for really essential humanitarian aid to get in, but for us four days is not enough. the needs are absolutely catastrophic at the moment. we have seen pictures on the moment. we have seen pictures on the news of hospitals that have been bombarded and of operations that have had to open by phone light, of babies in incubators, so four days is not enough considering the scale of what has gone on. let’s is not enough considering the scale of what has gone on.— of what has gone on. let's say four da s to of what has gone on. let's say four days to start _ of what has gone on. let's say four days to start with, _ of what has gone on. let's say four days to start with, it _ of what has gone on. let's say four days to start with, it could - of what has gone on. let's say four days to start with, it could be - days to start with, it could be extended if more hostages are released, as we heard from joe. what is the checklist in terms of the things that humanitarian agencies want to achieve in that time? for us fuel is absolutely _ want to achieve in that time? for us fuel is absolutely essential, - fuel is absolutely essential, fuel is needed for hospitals to run, for life in hospital. as i said, caesareans have been happening by phone light. fuel is needed for bakeries to run and feel is needed for people to be able to cook food. medical supplies are absolutely vital at the moment. cesareans are happening with no painkillers whatsoever. i have had a cesarean myself and i can't imagine having one with no painkillers. medical supplies are really needed. food is essential at the moment. we know that people are surviving, whole families on one piece of bread or one tin of tuna a day. that is not sustainable. and of course water and water is absolutely essential for people to be able to live any form of life. if people to be able to live any form of life. , , ., , ., of life. if this phrase and collapses _ of life. if this phrase and collapses as _ of life. if this phrase and collapses as a _ of life. if this phrase and collapses as a ceasefire, j of life. if this phrase and l collapses as a ceasefire, i of life. if this phrase and - collapses as a ceasefire, i guess hospitals who might be trying to get on top of the cases again with seriously injured coming in, that would be a disaster, wouldn't it? yes, absolutely. we can only hope that the four—day humanitarian ceasefire enables those medications to get in and enables feel, so that those hospitals combined in northern gaza, one was hit by an air strike the other day and last week they were operating with shrapnel flying around. i can't imagine operating under those sort of circumstances, or being a patient in those sort of circumstances. so, yes, absolutely, we really need this to work but also to be extended into a longer ceasefire. we were talking about whether the operation will be prosecuted in the southern part of the gaza strip, more than a million people left from the north when asked to do so by israel. what about those million people in the south? what is their condition? how vulnerable are they if the operation resumes in the south of gaza? absolutely, that is somethin: south of gaza? absolutely, that is something our— south of gaza? absolutely, that is something our colleagues - south of gaza? absolutely, that is something our colleagues in - south of gaza? absolutely, that is| something our colleagues in action aid are thinking about, particularly with what they are hearing is that people have been told in these four days they will be unable to go back to the north but where do you go if you have no home? because it has been hit by an air strike. we understand the need for fuel and water and food in the south is also really needed, many people are living in tents, in schools, it has started to rain so imagine living in a tent with your whole family are being forced from your home and it has started to rain? and being forced from your home and it has started to rain?— has started to rain? and winter. it is mediterranean _ has started to rain? and winter. it is mediterranean but _ has started to rain? and winter. it is mediterranean but it _ has started to rain? and winter. it is mediterranean but it is - has started to rain? and winter. it is mediterranean but it is still- is mediterranean but it is still winter. what can you do to help them? ~ ., ., ., them? we are doing winterisation, which is to provide _ them? we are doing winterisation, which is to provide hot _ them? we are doing winterisation, which is to provide hot meals, we. which is to provide hot meals, we are hoping to provide warm clothes and blankets to enable people to survive. to survive what could be a very difficult when your.— very difficult when your. thank you very difficult when your. thank you ve much very difficult when your. thank you very much indeed _ very difficult when your. thank you very much indeed for— very difficult when your. thank you very much indeed for that - very difficult when your. thank you very much indeed for that update | very difficult when your. thank you | very much indeed for that update on the humanitarian situation in gaza. there's been scenes of disorder on the streets of dublin tonight. following a multiple stabbing outside a school, crowds gathered in the city centre and vehicles have been set alight. that's given way to looting from some shops and the deployment of police and military units onto the streets. here's irish police chief drew harris. well, i think there's disgraceful scenes, in terms of a major investigation, the maintenance of a scene, the gathering of evidence, and we have a complete lunatic hooligan faction, driven by a far—right ideology and also then this disruptive tendency here and engaged in serious violence. now, we are drafting in resources to deal with that, and that will be dealt with properly. i made it very clear, given full direction to our resources here in dmr, in respect of making arrests and bringing offenders tojustice. simon smith, a bbc producer, is in dublin right now. you were on the fringes of a melee earlier? i you were on the fringes of a melee earlier? ., you were on the fringes of a melee earlier? . ., ., ., , , earlier? i am not far from dublin castle and _ earlier? i am not far from dublin castle and there _ earlier? i am not far from dublin castle and there was _ earlier? i am not far from dublin castle and there was a _ earlier? i am not far from dublin castle and there was a brief- earlier? i am not far from dublin l castle and there was a brief melee with youths in dark clothing, many wearing masks, facemasks you might rememberfrom the covid pandemic wearing masks, facemasks you might remember from the covid pandemic and others wearing scarves, they clashed with police and tipped over a bin that had bottles in it and spent a few moments throwing them at police and the police charged at them with riot gear and some with shields, pushing them away, and a short time ago the road was reopened but there is a carpet of glass and you can hear the cars going over and crunching it away. it seems to be a running battle between the authorities and these groups of youths and i am not sure where it is going to go next. it does seem to have quietened down in this part of the city, whether it will be quiet for the rest of the city, we will wait and see. it will clearly be a long night for the forces of law and order here in dublin.— long night for the forces of law and order here in dublin. thank you very much for that _ order here in dublin. thank you very much for that update. _ well, we'rejoined now by kitty holland, the social affairs correspondent from the irish times. i understand you are close to the scene of this multiple stabbing pretty soon after it happened. can you tell us how this incident has developed? you tell us how this incident has devel0ped?_ developed? yes, i have been covering an inuuest developed? yes, i have been covering an inquest which _ developed? yes, i have been covering an inquest which was _ developed? yes, i have been covering an inquest which was taking _ developed? yes, i have been covering an inquest which was taking place - an inquest which was taking place just across the road from where this happened and it happened during lunchtime so the inquest was on the break and some people involved in that court proceeding rushed in at a quarter to two this afternoon and said that children are being stabbed on the street so myself and another journalist rushed to the scene to see what was happening and by the time we got onto parnell square, which is in the middle of the city centre, there were about five ambulances, five fire appliances with paramedics and police cars and blaring sirens. hundreds of people gathering in shock and i went to the other side of the road where there was an adult male who i understand was an adult male who i understand was the alleged perpetrator, lying bloodied on the ground with paramedics. and up the way there was a little girl, five years old, we know, her pink backpack beside her and her pink shoes and two paramedics working on her, doing cpr, and a lot of blood around her and she was put into the ambulance and she was put into the ambulance and taken away. behind her, on the steps, was a young woman, understood to be he