here's elizabeth rizzini. time for a look at the weather. hello, thank you. just the right amount of retreating command centre�* for hamas? tonight, the idf has shown the footage you just saw, which they say is part of a tunnel underneath the hospital. mark's here. it plays an important role in israel's case for its gaza operation, so how close are they in succeeding to their wider objectives? scotland's health secretary says his sons racked up his 11 grand bill on his parliamentary ipad. why is scotland's conservative leader calling for his resignation? we'll ask him. also tonight... why are so many maternity units in england deemed unsafe by the regulator? we'll hear from one couple whose baby daughter was stillborn, after failures by their hopsital. i thought, these are my colleagues, they'll do a good job, i'll get safe care. so i didn't think there was anything wrong, until we were told she was dead. and after a week of rows in this country over migrant policy, we're in america to ask if president biden is doing enough there to tackle what some call a "significant crisis" on the texas border, where two million migrants have been detained. good evening. israel tonight said it had found evidence of a tunnel shaft and a vehicle containing weapons inside the al—shifa hospital complex its troops have entered in northern gaza. hamas — the group proscribed by the uk as a terrorist organisation — has denied using the building as a military base. while al—shifa has become a central focus of the conflict, it's clear the humanitarian crisis is becoming absolutely desparate. is becoming absolutely desperate. "inhuman collective suffering" — the words of the united nations. "far too many palestinians have been killed" — the words of the us secretary of state. it's almost six weeks since hamas went into southern israel and killed 1,200 israelis and abducted around 240 people — the body of one, a mum—of—five, israel says it found today in gaza. the hamas—run health ministry says more than 11,500 palestinians have been killed. amidst all of this, tonight, we're going to try and answer these fresh questions: how is israel doing in achieving its aim of eliminating hamas? why haven't they shown journalists yet any evidence inside the tunnels they claim hamas has built under civilian structures, including hospitals? could the hostages have now been moved to the south, along with much of the gaza population, and presumably plenty of hamas fighters? and if so, what can, or should, israel do next? here's mark. the contents of the bag are full military kit - for one hamas terrorist. israel's guided tour of the shifa radiography department left many asking, "yes, but where are the tunnels?" nobody doubts the existence of a substantial tunnel network. hamas itself has publicised some of the facilities. since israeli forces have been operating in northern gaza, they've produced plenty of evidence of tunnel entrances being discovered. in many cases, they've blown up tunnels too. but what you won't see in these videos — including the one that appeared tonight from near the shifa — is israeli soldiers taking journalists or, indeed, going in themselves. now you can see the tunnel. they've explored them with robots, but as we saw in a video at the rantisi hospital on monday, a claim that a tunnel connected the basement to a local hamas commander's house was not substantiated. it's too risky, apparently, to go into the tunnels, so when it comes to the question of whether they extend under the shifa hospital, it's too early to say definitively. they're being slow and methodical, and that is in their risk to both civilian harm — because many parts of the shifa hospital are still occupied — and risk to all the other variables, even trying to isolate the underground, if there is an underground. the recovery of hostages is a key israeli war aim. this evening, it became clear that the israeli army had recovered the body ofjudith weiss, kidnapped on the 7th of october from a site near the hospital. but it's evident on megidish, a soldier freed last month, is the only one to have been rescued so far during the ground operation. hamas has claimed that some of the hostages have been killed in the bombardment, but what about the remainder? it'll be very hard for israel to claim a victory, unless it's released a significant number of hostages. the government hasn't prepared the citizens of israel for any scenario. not for the scenario in which some of the hostages may not return alive, not for a scenario which clearly should be contemplated, in which some of these hostages are not still in gaza and have been moved elsewhere, to other terror groups. this has happened in the past with israeli hostages. it happened in lebanon. so, i really don't see how israelis could even begin moving towards anything like closure. as for the shifa hospital, it's a large complex and israel apparently hasn't given up hope of finding hostages there, but there's a chance some will have been moved south, along with many members of hamas. by opening evacuation routes, the israelis may have allowed many members of the militant groups to go south in civilian clothes. i think you can mitigate that by the fact that you do search if they're leaving gaza in general, in that there will be operations in southern israel, nobody said there won't be, just the main centre of gravity, the main hamas stronghold was gaza city, so they started there. in the area where the israeli army is operating, they're reporting fewer encounters with hamas, as they tighten their grip. so if much of the group's armed wing is now south of the wadi gaza line, along with the great majority of the strip�*s 2.2 million people in a dire humanitarian situation, is an operation like the one we've seen in the north feasible? i really can't imagine it, certainly not after israel spent six weeks loudly calling on gazans from gaza city, which has been destroyed, and from all of northern gaza to move south. i simply don't think israel would have the legitimacy to do that. i'm not saying that israel isn't taking action and won't continue to take some action in the south, especially if they have specific information about specific hamas individuals who are there. but i can't imagine an operation of the magnitude of what we've seen in the past two weeks occurring in the south. the challenges facing the israeli operation remain considerable, but as they're all too aware, international disquiet at the civilian suffering that it's causing could still cut it short. mark urban. let's speak now to eylon levy — an israeli government spokesperson — about the al—shifa hopsital and about how close, or otherwise, the israeli defense force is to achieveing its stated aim of eliminiating hamas. thank you very much was speaking to our audience. thank you very much was speaking to ouraudience. is thank you very much was speaking to our audience. is this the extent of what you say is evidence that this is an operational command centre or is an operational command centre or is there more you are going to show journalists? film. is there more you are going to show journalists?— journalists? 0h, absolutely. we ex - ect journalists? 0h, absolutely. we exect in journalists? 0h, absolutely. we meet in the — journalists? 0h, absolutely. we expect in the days _ journalists? 0h, absolutely. we expect in the days to _ journalists? 0h, absolutely. we expect in the days to come - journalists? 0h, absolutely. we expect in the days to come the l journalists? 0h, absolutely. we i expect in the days to come the full extent of hamas's takeover of the shifa is going to become apparent. it has only been 48 hours since we began that targeted operation inside the hospital above the shifa terror complex. of course, we can't reveal the whole fortress immediately, that is not how things work. today, we showed tunnel shoved under the hospital and we have showed tunnels under different hospitals, it is not a question that hamas views hospitals as human shields and we have exposed hamas war crimes across the gaza strip. the tunnels under the gaza strip. the tunnels under the beds of children. today, soldiers found rockets underneath a girl's mattress in a child's matters and in the hospitals, we are continuing to do that and i hope your cruise will be able to enter those areas when it is safe to do so. . , those areas when it is safe to do so, ., , , ., those areas when it is safe to do so. , those areas when it is safe to do so. i, so. there was some disparity between what bbc journalists _ so. there was some disparity between what bbc journalists were _ so. there was some disparity between what bbc journalists were filming - what bbcjournalists were filming last night and what the idf had initially posted on twitter. i’m last night and what the idf had initially posted on twitter. i'm not familiar with _ initially posted on twitter. i'm not familiar with what _ initially posted on twitter. i'm not familiar with what that _ initially posted on twitter. i'm not familiar with what that specific - familiar with what that specific disparity was. this is of course a fast—moving war zone. i disparity was. this is of course a fast-moving war zone.— fast-moving war zone. i will tell ou it fast-moving war zone. i will tell you it looks _ fast-moving war zone. i will tell you it looks like _ fast-moving war zone. i will tell you it looks like there _ fast-moving war zone. i will tell you it looks like there were - fast-moving war zone. i will tell| you it looks like there were more weapons when our bbcjournalists went a few hours after the first idf tweet. i went a few hours after the first idf tweet. . ., ., ., ., tweet. i am not familiar with that specifically- _ tweet. i am not familiar with that specifically. of _ tweet. i am not familiar with that specifically. of course, _ tweet. i am not familiar with that specifically. of course, we - tweet. i am not familiar with that i specifically. of course, we continue specifically. of course, we continue to expose the evidence of hamas war crimes and the wait has been abusing those civilian institutions for the last 16 years, building its military infrastructure under hospitals and schools and mosques and homes, endangering people, endangering the people we have been urging to move south for the safety so we can target the monsters who perpetrated the october to seventh massacre and minimise any harm to civilians. the jerusalem post _ minimise any harm to civilians. the jerusalem post has asked how 2,000 hamas fighters have seemingly evaporated. it is possible, likely they will have moved to sell potentially with the hostages and along with over a million gazans who you are asked to move south, is that where the idf will go next?— where the idf will go next? you're riaht, where the idf will go next? you're riuht, it where the idf will go next? you're riaht, it is where the idf will go next? you're right. it is a _ where the idf will go next? you're right. it is a very — where the idf will go next? you're right, it is a very important - where the idf will go next? you're right, it is a very important point. | right, it is a very important point. israel has been making extraordinary efforts to try to get civilians to safety in ways that have jeopardised our operational advantage. when we gave civilians a month to vacate cell, we clearly surrendered to the element of surprise. and by providing those humanitarian corridors and urging people to move south, as your reporter said, it is quite possible that hamas disguised to civilians, we know that is something they do, exploited that. if that's true and i don't know if it is or not, how will you know when you have achieved your aim of eliminating hamas? you you have achieved your aim of eliminating hamas?— you have achieved your aim of eliminating hamas? you put your finer eliminating hamas? you put your finger exactly _ eliminating hamas? you put your finger exactly on _ eliminating hamas? you put your finger exactly on the _ eliminating hamas? you put your finger exactly on the point - eliminating hamas? you put your finger exactly on the point of- eliminating hamas? you put your finger exactly on the point of why this is such a difficult and complex operation. the this is such a difficult and complex 0 eration. , ., .,, ., operation. the question was, how will ou operation. the question was, how will you know _ operation. the question was, how will you know if _ operation. the question was, how will you know if you _ operation. the question was, how will you know if you have - operation. the question was, how| will you know if you have achieved success? , , ., ., , , success? this is going to be very difficult. success? this is going to be very difficult- we _ success? this is going to be very difficult. we are _ success? this is going to be very difficult. we are fighting - success? this is going to be very difficult. we are fighting against| success? this is going to be veryl difficult. we are fighting against a cynical enemy that embeds itself in civilian areas, passes its own its own fighters offer civilians and makes it very difficult for us to target those terrorists. that doesn't change success? this is going to be very difficult. we are fighting against a cynical enemy that embeds itself in civilian areas, passes its own promising to pull off another massacre. but of course, you correctly point out this is a very difficult challenge because of the way they systematically abused and violate international law to gain unfair advantage. international law to gain unfair advantage-— international law to gain unfair advantaae. ., . ,. ., advantage. you have rescued one ouni advantage. you have rescued one young lsraeli _ advantage. you have rescued one young israeli soldier _ advantage. you have rescued one young israeli soldier taken - advantage. you have rescued one. young israeli soldier taken hostage and we just reported the body of is and we just reported the body of is a very difficult challenge because of the way they systematically abused and violate international law to gain unfair advantage. you have rescued one young israeli soldier taken hostage and we just reported the body of another hostage has been found in israel amongst families of hostages. found in israel amongst families of hosta . es. , . found in israel amongst families of hosta . es. ,. ., found in israel amongst families of hostaues. ., , ., hostages. one said that your prime minister was _ hostages. one said that your prime minister was abandoning _ hostages. one said that your prime minister was abandoning them. - hostages. one said that your prime | minister was abandoning them. why haven't you rescued more? intense angen haven't you rescued more? intense anger, intense despair, we wish that now it has been 40 days and 40 nights, we could have got our hands on those hostages. but hamas has been planning for this for a very long time, hamas has built a subterranean maze of tunnels underneath gaza city preparing for the day when they could abduct israelis and hold them there. that tunnel network is extremely dangerous, it is booby—trapped to the eyeballs and very dangerous and soldiers to go in there. we wish it were as simple as the raid back in the 1970s when israel could sweep into an airport and rescue hostages, but hamas has taken our hostages, our children, our babies, there is a ten—month—old baby being held, some of the most vulnerable people of society, the hostage you mentioned that was murdered by hamas is a cancer patient. and they are holding them in inhumane conditions without any access to the red cross and bringing our hostages home is one of the top priorities of this war and undoubtedly one of the greatest challenges. undoubtedly one of the greatest challenres. ., ~ undoubtedly one of the greatest challenges-— undoubtedly one of the greatest challenres. ., ~ , ., , . undoubtedly one of the greatest challenres. ., ~ , . ., challenges. thank you very much for talkin: to challenges. thank you very much for talking to us — challenges. thank you very much for talking to us tonight, _ challenges. thank you very much for talking to us tonight, thank- challenges. thank you very much for talking to us tonight, thank you, - talking to us tonight, thank you, eylon levy, spokesperson for the israeli government. we can talk now to mustafa barghouti, a politician from the palestinian national initiative — about what future they see for gaza when the military operation by israel is over. they are calling for democratic governance of the west bank and gaza. thank you very much for talking to us. let me ask you first what you are hearing from the al—shifa hospital. i are hearing from the al-shifa hos - ital. ~ ., are hearing from the al-shifa hosital. ~ . ., , , hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital— hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital is _ hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital is a _ hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital is a big - hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital is a big scandal. al—shifa hospital is a big scandal for the israelis. it is actually the mother of all scandals, they have been talking about operational command centre, they have been talking about hostages kept there. they couldn't prove anything, nothing. this is not my opinion, this is the opinion of the new york times, cnn, people who accompanied them. they couldn't show any evidence, theyjust fabricated evidence, they just fabricated things. evidence, theyjust fabricated things. and then they used propaganda. things. and then they used propaganda-— things. and then they used propaganda. things. and then they used --roaranda. ., ~ ., , ., propaganda. you know it is a huge... what he has — propaganda. you know it is a huge... what he hasjust _ propaganda. you know it is a huge... what he has just told _ propaganda. you know it is a huge... what he hasjust told you _ propaganda. you know it is a huge... what he hasjust told you is - propaganda. you know it is a huge... what he hasjust told you is pure - what he has just told you is pure propaganda. they refused our calls and the cause of the administration of the hospital before they invaded it to send an international, independent commission to examine. let me pause you there if i may you will have heard the israeli government spokesman saying there is more to come. we know this is a huge complex and you know it is a huge complex, they have only searched parts of it, the idf say and there are still many patients inside. ida. are still many patients inside. no, wh did are still many patients inside. no, why did they _ are still many patients inside. iifr, why did they refuse an international, independent commission? because they know they are lying. and why do they need more time? because they need time to fabricate things. they can't prove anything because what they say is propaganda and not the truth. and this really has become the second scandal about what they are doing. they are not attacking hamas, they are attacking hospitals. they have attacked every hospital in the north of gaza and the centre of gaza because they are conducting ethnic cleansing of the population of the north of gaza and the gaza city. they cannot justify. .. north of gaza and the gaza city. they cannotjustify. . ._ they cannot 'ustify. .. they gave warnin . s they cannot 'ustify. .. they gave warnings to— they cannot justify. .. they gave warnings to people. _ they cannot justify. .. they gave warnings to people. we - they cannot justify. .. they gave warnings to people. we have i they cannot justify. .. they gave | warnings to people. we have run through what they say each evening. i want to ask you, i know you are calling for a cea