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phillips. labour had ordered its mps to back the party's own amendments which called for a longer humanitarian pause. labour wanted those mps to abstain on the snp proposal. so the language is really important. the labour proposal had simply been a humanitarian pause, the idea a pause in fighting, a longer pause to allow aid in and people out, should they need medical help. the snp proposal was calling for an outright ceasefire. we know internationally there is growing condemnation, growing criticism of the rising death toll in israel's wore in the middle east. so that is at the centre of these discussions and the votes. we know tonight the un security council in new york is voting on a similar proposal around the wording of whether it is a ceasefire or a humanitarian pause. the un proposal is for a humanitarian pause. let's get the latest on what is happening at westminster, iain watson is an central lobby. you are running through some of the logistics and details of how this works, but it's not a good night for keir starmer and his labour party as he tries to align his front bench to face an election, he is seeing this huge rebellion? , election, he is seeing this huge rebellion?— election, he is seeing this huge rebellion? , . ., rebellion? yes, what he will regard the top team. _ rebellion? yes, what he will regard the top team, the _ rebellion? yes, what he will regard the top team, the people - rebellion? yes, what he will regard the top team, the people who - rebellion? yes, what he will regard the top team, the people who sit i the top team, the people who sit round the shadow cabinet table, they have all stayed in place tonight. but he has lost eightjunior shadow ministers and two others who are parliamentary aides. effectively ten people have gone from his front bench. in addition to that 56 labour mps in total have rebelled against his position and that is more than a quarter of his parliamentary party. they have voted for this motion on a ceasefire, the snp motion which they were told by the party leadership not to vote for, they were sold to sit on their hands, not to vote for it or not to get involved in what they saw was a party political manoeuvre by another opposition party and 56 have defied it. that is the measure they felt under from their constituents on their deeply held views, that a ceasefire is necessary and simply calling for an extended humanitarian pause simply isn't good enough at this stage. that is the position taken by sir keir starmer, but a quarter of his parliamentary party, some of those in the topjobs parliamentary party, some of those in the top jobs he selected, some of those politically quite close to him have gone. i am to going to let you go and have a really good cough and i will talk to people about those names. the eight shadow ministers, paul barker, rachel hopkins, sarah owen, jess phillips, yasmin qureshi, andy slaughter. those are the people we know have left the front bench. there they are, those are the eight and two parliamentary aides. we don't have the full details of the entire rundown, but this is an important moment, isn't it? it really does underline the difficulty politicians around the world have had when it comes up with consensus about what should happen. absolutely. one of the difficulties as this, the left of the party don't like the direction he has taken the party n. what they have effectively done is use this issue to try and undermine his leadership. but others on the list of ten who are closer to him politically, but felt notjust pressure from their constituents but looking at the images on the tv screens of the humanitarian crisis in gaza and felt they couldn't hold the line. and this is his problem. he is very much the victim of circumstance, events outside of his control. there has been some recalibration from his position initially when people saw him of being supportive of israel, unsurprisingly given he wanted to distance himself from the previous party leadership and the highlighting of anti—semitism in the party and also the atrocities we saw in southern israel. but as things have progressed to have been more pressure on him to be more critical. he tried to do that and saying they need to lift the siege conditions in gaza but something his party said he hadn't moved quickly enough. and now, what he is effectively saying is, at least by calling for humanitarian pause, we are in lockstep with the rest of the international community. others have said president macron have gone further in france, but equally, privately, what the labour leadership were to concede whether they call for a ceasefire or not, that will have no influence on prime minister netanyahu in israel, or certainly no influence on hamas. it is given a practical difference, but it is nonetheless a major political difficulty for him domestically. sterling work, thank you. go and get a cup of tea, you have had a long day at westminster. thank you so much. we will let him off the hook, but he was speaking to one of those shadow ministers who has left the front bench for labour, naz shah. like i said in the chamber i'm very clear on everything that has been presented to me on the facts, the ngos and people on the ground and is happening, a child dying every ten minutes. but since those votes we have had more children dying. as one of my colleagues put it, if we had voted for this yesterday and had a ceasefire yesterday we would have had 144 children who wouldn't have died. every speech in the chamber today was very poignant about why the need is for a ceasefire. we are not alone in asking for a ceasefire. in addition to the pope and the archbishop of canterbury, the french president macron, he has asked for it. there are many people, so we are not alone asking for the ceasefire. your speech was very powerful comme talks about the bombing of moss, of hospitals and schools, he was obviously a very emotional time as well, but behind—the—scenes in terms of practical discussions about labour reaching its own position, which seems to me has moved to an extent, what kind of assurances did you get from the labour bench about what attempts were made to try and prevent you from resigning today? every move we have towards a better position is very, very welcome. i would have liked it to have moved further. i have made my position clear, as have many other colleagues from the labour party. as has the leader of the scottish labour party, the mayor of london, the mayor of manchester and west yorkshire. we want an immediate ceasefire and that didn't happen. it didn't go quite far enough for us. how didn't happen. it didn't go quite far enough for us.— didn't happen. it didn't go quite far enough for us. how difficult is this for the _ far enough for us. how difficult is this for the labour _ far enough for us. how difficult is this for the labour leader - far enough for us. how difficult is this for the labour leader keir - this for the labour leader keir starmer? we think about ten frontbenchers and parliamentary aides have resigned, almost 10% of the payroll vote, but if you look at the payroll vote, but if you look at the voting in the snp motion, i haven't seen the breakdown yet, but 125 people voting for it, it must have been a lot of labour mps, 50 or so, a quarter of the parliamentary party, it is a serious challenge to the labour leader? it party, it is a serious challenge to the labour leader?— party, it is a serious challenge to the labour leader? it doesn't cause an issue for — the labour leader? it doesn't cause an issue for anna _ the labour leader? it doesn't cause an issue for anna sauer _ the labour leader? it doesn't cause an issue for anna sauer in - the labour leader? it doesn't cause an issue for anna sauer in scotland | an issue for anna sauer in scotland because he has called for a ceasefire and he will be voting for a ceasefire. voting with the snp isn't against the scottish nationalist party are in the same space of wanting a ceasefire. he said clearly that we are wanting to get to a place where we can create the conditions for a ceasefire to exist. , , , ,., ., exist. he will be supporting that measure. exist. he will be supporting that measure- very _ exist. he will be supporting that measure. very briefly, - exist. he will be supporting that measure. very briefly, do - exist. he will be supporting that measure. very briefly, do you . exist. he will be supporting that. measure. very briefly, do you think unless the party leadership adopts a ceasefire it will lose votes? i think it is after seeing the resignations tonight, there will be conversations and the community will speak. irate conversations and the community will seak. ~ ., conversations and the community will seak. ~ . ., , speak. we will have the latest developments _ speak. we will have the latest developments at _ speak. we will have the latest developments at westminster speak. we will have the latest l developments at westminster if anything changes and we will take you back their life. let's get the latest on the situation in gaza. we have been reporting that the idf has been searching the al—shifa hospital. they said they did find weapons, combat gear and technical logical equipment in the compound and they are continuing their search of the complex. israel says hamas has tunnels beneath it, which they deny. the last hour, israel defence forces have released a video on social media that they say showed some of the materials recovered from an undisclosed building in the hospital compound. we should be clear, the bbc hasn't been able to verify the video but it is the first official idf footage we have received from within the hospital compound today. have a look. so we are inside the mri centre of the shifa hospital. israeli troops breached here a few hours ago and we have cleared the area, make sure that it safe. a few of the most interesting things we have found totally confirm, without any doubt that hamas systematically uses hospitals in their military operations, in violation of international law and what we have found, i think, is only the tip of the iceberg. let me show you a few examples... security cameras have been obstructed, all of the security cameras are covered. and this isn't the only one, you will see the rest of them here. i don't know when it was use the last time, but it is definitely an mri machine. and if you follow me behind the mri machine i will show you what our troops expose just minutes ago. in military terms, this is a grab bag — grab and go. of a hamas combatant. and if you zoom in and we get some light over here, what you will be able to see its military equipment. there is an ak—47, there are cartridges and ammo. there are grenades in here, of course uniform. all of this was hidden, very conveniently, secretly behind the mri machine. on the other side, we found a backpack with what appears to be very important intelligence, including a laptop and we will show you that momentarily. we tried to uncover the cameras, but all of the cameras have been obstructed. you can see there is black tape covering it and when our troops opened this closet here, which is in the main part of the clinic, this is what they found. the contents of the bag are full military kit for one hamas terrorist, a live grenade, ammunition, fighting vest with insignia. boots and, of course, uniforms. and last but not least, standard ak—47. inside the hospital, hidden in a secluded area, let's have a look at what we found inside the very same cabinet. there is insignia, military insignia, a knife. for those of you who read arabic, you will be able to understand what it says here, but it's hamas, the military wing... that is the latest video from inside but we understand is the al—shifa hospital and the first official idf footage we have received but we have to be clear that the bbc has not been able to verify the video and what is in it. we can speak now to mark regev, senior adviser to the israeli prime minister and former israeli ambassador to the uk. let me ask you about the hospital, what is the current state of the hospital and your operations there tonight? hospital and your operations there toni . ht? ., hospital and your operations there toniaht? . ., ., tonight? that evening. the operation in the hospital— tonight? that evening. the operation in the hospital is _ tonight? that evening. the operation in the hospital is ongoing, _ tonight? that evening. the operation in the hospital is ongoing, it - tonight? that evening. the operation in the hospital is ongoing, it is - in the hospital is ongoing, it is not completed. i expect, as it moves forward will be showing you more material that will prove that what we know to be a fact. and that is hamas has used the hospital as a shield for its war machine. i would remind you, it is notjust israel that says as such, the americans said so early this week, the pentagon and the white house said their intelligence confirms what we know in israel, that hamas has exploited the hospital as a cover for its military machine. and more importantly, everyone who lives in that part of gaza city knows it well, it is one of the worst kept secrets they have. everyone there knows that there is hamas military structure underneath the hospital. theyjust structure underneath the hospital. they just can't say to it when talking to journalists because hamas doesn't like when people tell their secrets and they rule the gaza strip with an iron fist and brutality in people who speak out of turn against the party line will face violent retribution. irate the party line will face violent retribution.— the party line will face violent retribution. ., ., retribution. we saw some of what you sa is retribution. we saw some of what you say is evidence _ retribution. we saw some of what you say is evidence of— retribution. we saw some of what you say is evidence of hamas _ retribution. we saw some of what you say is evidence of hamas operating i say is evidence of hamas operating within that hospital. talk to me about what you said you have found, what is it you have discovered inside the hospital? i what is it you have discovered inside the hospital?— what is it you have discovered inside the hospital? i cannot go be ond inside the hospital? i cannot go beyond what — inside the hospital? i cannot go beyond what the _ inside the hospital? i cannot go beyond what the idf _ inside the hospital? i cannot go beyond what the idf showed i inside the hospital? i cannot go beyond what the idf showed in | inside the hospital? i cannot go - beyond what the idf showed in that video, but it is clear there is much more there. that was inside the hospital and we know the vast subterranean network is underneath the hospital. that is where their command and control is, where the network of tunnels that goes out of different fortifications, two missile launching sites, two arms depots, that is how hamas built its struggle. there is kilometre after kilometre after kilometre of underground tunnel networks. one of the hostages, and 85—year—old woman who was released in the first week of this conflict, she said it was like a spider web of underground tunnels. we are facing a very, very elaborate hamas infrastructure, military infrastructure there. as this conflict continues day by day, i am sure we will be showing you more and more material. i wonder what happens _ more and more material. i wonder what happens next? _ more and more material. i wonder what happens next? you - more and more material. i wonder what happens next? you say - more and more material. i wonder what happens next? you say the l what happens next? you say the operation is ongoing and if you get to a stage where you are happy you have found what you need to find in the hospital and neutralise the threat from hamas, which is your stated aim, what will you do with the hospital? i assume your troops will leave, but will you commit to restoring the hospital to work as a medical facility, restoring the hospital to work as a medicalfacility, that restoring the hospital to work as a medical facility, that it can care for people in gaza that need to use it? ~ , ., , ., ., for people in gaza that need to use it? ., ., , for people in gaza that need to use it? ., ., for people in gaza that need to use it? ~ , ., ., ,., ., it? when this operation is over, and hamas will— it? when this operation is over, and hamas will have _ it? when this operation is over, and hamas will have been _ it? when this operation is over, and hamas will have been destroyed - it? when this operation is over, and hamas will have been destroyed as| it? when this operation is over, and| hamas will have been destroyed as a military machine and no longer in power in gaza, that is our goal here. ., , ., power in gaza, that is our goal here. . , . ., power in gaza, that is our goal here. . ., ., , ., here. that is a long term ambition, i'm here. that is a long term ambition, i'm talking — here. that is a long term ambition, i'm talking about _ here. that is a long term ambition, i'm talking about when _ here. that is a long term ambition, i'm talking about when you - here. that is a long term ambition, i'm talking about when you leave i here. that is a long term ambition, | i'm talking about when you leave the al—shifa hospital, when you have achieved your stated aim and that is to get rid of hamas in the hospital complex, will you commit to letting agent, power, letting fueland complex, will you commit to letting agent, power, letting fuel and water back into eternity being a fully functioning hospital? because we know it is not that right now. it is a combat zone _ know it is not that right now. it is a combat zone at _ know it is not that right now. it 3 a combat zone at the moment. when you are saying it is no longer a combat zone, israel will have no problem in seeing it being a real hospital instead of a cover for hamas' military machine. when we win this war, we have no choice, we must win this it will be better for the people of israel he won't have to live in fear of hamas terrace, across the border to slaughter their children. also for the people of gaza who will not live under this extremist, hamas terrace regime. we have been following on the programme tonight, un security council vote and we have the results of the vote. voting in favour of a resolution. this is one put forward by malta and once again, the detail is a call for an extended and urgent humanitarian pause and corridor throughout the gaza strip. the un saying that would be required for a sufficient number of days. it also called for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages held by hamas and other groups. it demands all parties comply with their obligations under international law and calls on the secretary—general to monitor and report back on its implementation. so there, at the top line, the un security council, finally, after five failed attempts to vote in favour of a resolution, calling for urgent and extended humanitarian causes. what is your response to that? , ., ., ., ., that? first of all, i am glad the un security council— that? first of all, i am glad the un security council has _ that? first of all, i am glad the un security council has called - that? first of all, i am glad the un security council has called for- that? first of all, i am glad the un security council has called for the l security council has called for the immediate and unconditional release of all the hostages, that has to be the basis of anything moving forward. we have adopted a policy of humanitarian causes. we have done so in the past and we will do so in the future to facilitate aid coming into the civilian population of gaza, we have had humanitarian corridors in the past, we can do it again. we have no problem with that, we see it as augmentin

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