they will get it in a way which they will understand and will be straightforward and will be good to defend and convey to the people. his sense of public duty is important and that will come out and that will be a good element to have any cabinet as well.— be a good element to have any cabinet as well. . ~ , ., , . cabinet as well. thank you very much for “oininu cabinet as well. thank you very much forjoining as — cabinet as well. thank you very much forjoining as here _ cabinet as well. thank you very much forjoining as here on _ cabinet as well. thank you very much forjoining as here on bbc— cabinet as well. thank you very much forjoining as here on bbc news. - cabinet as well. thank you very much forjoining as here on bbc news. as i forjoining as here on bbc news. as we have been saying throughout the last half an hour or so, while we have been speaking to you, we have seen the door behind us open and close as new members and old members of rishi sunak�*s cabinet have been arriving for that cabinet meeting. of course, as we keep saying, the big blockbuster moment was seeing david cameron return to number ten. he does not live here any more of course but he will be working here in some sense when he comes to cabinet meetings like he did today. we saw him arrive with andrew mitchell who will effectively be his number two because andrew mitchell sit in the house of commons. it is lord cameron because he has returned to the house of lords. he was conferred a lord yesterday but there have been concerns here from across the pluto spectrum about how he can properly be held to account, given that he cannot take questions in parliament because he is not a serving mp any more. let us get some of the reaction across the political divide. let us hearfrom the of the reaction across the political divide. let us hear from the shadow chancellor. i divide. let us hear from the shadow chancellor. ~ , ., , ., ~ , chancellor. i think people waking up this morning — chancellor. i think people waking up this morning and _ chancellor. i think people waking up this morning and following - chancellor. i think people waking up this morning and following the - this morning and following the comings and goings at number ten will be wondering how david cameron coming back into government is going to help them pay for the weekly foot shop, pay the energy bills, get a doctor's appointment and i think the answer is that this out of touch, out of ideas conservative government and the changes brought in yesterday is not really going to make a difference to people's day—to—day lives. it is not the change that our country is crying out for and i can only be offered by a general election and a fresh start with a labour government. going back for prime ministers go and bringing back the guy who once promised stability but actually unleashed a decade of chaos, i am but actually unleashed a decade of chaos, iam not but actually unleashed a decade of chaos, i am not sure that that is either confident or the change that rishi sunak promised the country but that he is failing to deliver. so, there you have it. rachel reeves with her thoughts on the new covenant to discuss all of that little more, i am joined by another one of our bbc political correspondence. it is like musical chairs of political correspondence! if you moments ago, let us talk about the reaction from the other parties, we heard from rachel reeves and the lib dems yesterday, it is unsurprising that the opposition parties are going to be critical of a new cabinet because all parties, no matter who you are, criticise each other but what are the main concerns from the opposition parties about this appointment? i concerns from the opposition parties about this appointment?— about this appointment? i think the bi est risk about this appointment? i think the biggest risk for _ about this appointment? i think the biggest risk for rishi _ about this appointment? i think the biggest risk for rishi sunak - about this appointment? i think the biggest risk for rishi sunak is - about this appointment? i think the biggest risk for rishi sunak is that l biggest risk for rishi sunak is that he has been talking about being the change candidate which in a way as externally claim given that here is the latest in a quite long line of prime ministers and it is, the opposition parties are jumping prime ministers and it is, the opposition parties arejumping on that. they say that they pour scorn on that particular claim and they also will say, look at david cameron, he was the architect to austerity. the labour party will argue that brought misery to millions of people and has left product services on a per state. they will also point back to the fact that he was the leader of the remain campaign in the brexit referendum and now he is supporting part of government that is pressing ahead with forging a new place for britain in the world and it is his brief now to be in charge of that foreign policy. anyway, rishi sunak has given the opposition parties plenty of ammunition. the risk anyway for labour is with this reshuffle, we are seeing a tilt to the centre ground again for the conservative party. there is that not that much difference between labour and the tories and so when we come to the general election, inevitably, things will speed up, the polls may well narrow and voters may struggle to see a difference between the two of them so there is pressure now on the labour party to come up they stronger policy agenda to sell to the electorate when we do get to that election. {lin to sell to the electorate when we do get to that election.— get to that election. on the flip side, talking — get to that election. on the flip side, talking to _ get to that election. on the flip side, talking to a _ get to that election. on the flip side, talking to a lot _ get to that election. on the flip side, talking to a lot of- side, talking to a lot of commentators here yesterday, there are many who feel that this reshuffle won't necessarily make a massive difference when it comes to the doorstep in a general election campaign? the doorstep in a general election cam aian? ., the doorstep in a general election cam-iain? ., the doorstep in a general election camaiun? ., ., ., , campaign? no, some of the names we are talkin: campaign? no, some of the names we are talking about, _ campaign? no, some of the names we are talking about, david _ campaign? no, some of the names we are talking about, david cameron - are talking about, david cameron aside, or not household names. new faces around the cabinet table, rishi sunak wanting to promote talent within the conservative party and very few people out there are going to know who these people are. it was interesting yesterday at the daily briefing from the westminster journalists, downing street was asked, does this show by appointing david cameron that there is a dearth of talent within the conservative party and they were stressing that it is not about personality, it is about delivery and what matters to voters is that actually, the conservatives in government can deliver for them. conservatives in government can deliverfor them. things conservatives in government can deliver for them. things like dealing with the cost of living, stopping the boats which is what he is keeping at the heart of his agenda. is keeping at the heart of his aaenda. ., . ~' is keeping at the heart of his aaenda. ., ., ~ ., is keeping at the heart of his arenda. ., . ~' . . ., . agenda. you talked about victoria adkins, she _ agenda. you talked about victoria adkins, she has _ agenda. you talked about victoria adkins, she has a _ agenda. you talked about victoria adkins, she has a brief, _ agenda. you talked about victoria adkins, she has a brief, which - agenda. you talked about victoria l adkins, she has a brief, which could be really key in a general election campaign. jeremy hunt was very well known when he was in that brief, for example. some of the policy issues that are facing some of the new incumbents in the role, for example james cleverly in the home office and victoria adkins at health because the nhs always a big vote changer. because the nhs always a big vote chan . er. ~ because the nhs always a big vote chanaer. ~ _, , ., because the nhs always a big vote chanaer. ~ .., , ., ,, changer. when it comes to the nhs, once again. — changer. when it comes to the nhs, once again. a _ changer. when it comes to the nhs, once again, a health _ changer. when it comes to the nhs, once again, a health service - changer. when it comes to the nhs, once again, a health service under. once again, a health service under pressure. we had warnings from the nhs bosses again this morning about a shortage of beds so she is always going to have a full entry coming into that brief. no doubt it will be a front when it comes to the general election, labourwill a front when it comes to the general election, labour will continue to claim the conservatives have underfunded and they will come back and say actually in recent years, they have increased funding but nhs waiting lists continue to go up and “p waiting lists continue to go up and up and that is one of rishi sunak�*s top five priorities, to get down those nhs waiting lists. when it comes to the home office, again, one thing is coming tomorrow forjames cleverly, a huge decision from the supreme court as to whether the government's rwanda policy is actually legal. that has already been dragged through the courts but thatis been dragged through the courts but that is the central plank, really, about what the government is trying to do to dissuade people from making that dangerous journey across the angus channel. an awful lot for those brand—new ministers or ministers moving into different departments, together heads around very, very quickly indeed. what departments, together heads around very, very quickly indeed.— very, very quickly indeed. what is the orchestra _ very, very quickly indeed. what is the orchestra of _ very, very quickly indeed. what is the orchestra of this _ very, very quickly indeed. what is the orchestra of this morning? i very, very quickly indeed. what is| the orchestra of this morning? the cabinet has just gone the orchestra of this morning? the cabinet hasjust gone in, how long are we expecting them to meet for and then what happens? it is usually about half an — and then what happens? it is usually about half an hour— and then what happens? it is usually about half an hour to _ and then what happens? it is usually about half an hour to an _ and then what happens? it is usually about half an hour to an hour, - and then what happens? it is usually about half an hour to an hour, the i about half an hour to an hour, the cabinet. it got under way eight minutes ago. the last person to arrive was the new conservative party chairman who was two and its late so i fight don't know if he will get in trouble but we will get pictures from inside. we hope david cameron will remember to sit on the right place. the right —— mike than last time he was there, he was in the prime minister's seat. we will get a readout from it, a sense from the kinds of things they will have discussed around the table. he would have thought it will be about re—emphasising those priorities for government and the other thing downing street has been keen to stress is that this is a united team, that ultimately will be put to the country in the general election. the stress on that word, united, is key, given what we have had with suella braverman, the former home secretary, in recent weeks. she was freelancing, going off script and not on message without the prime minister wanted to be saying. having said that, her sacking has caused a little of a ruckus in the tory backbenches. some on the right of the party think this is the wrong move, they believe she speaks to a lot of voters out there in the country. some suggesting this might push voters to the reformed party which is an interesting parallel given that when david cameron was prime minister, the big debate was whether they would be losing butters to the right to ukip at that stage. i think the restating of priorities, dealing with the cost of living, stopping the boats, dealing with the problems in the nhs, getting the economy growing as well will be discussed around that cabinet table but i would not thought it would have been too detailed because this is the first meeting of a brand—new cabinet. is the first meeting of a brand-new cabinet. ., ., is the first meeting of a brand-new cabinet. ., ~ , ., ., ., , cabinet. thank you for the latest air. as cabinet. thank you for the latest air- as peter _ cabinet. thank you for the latest air. as peter touched _ cabinet. thank you for the latest air. as peter touched on - cabinet. thank you for the latest air. as peter touched on their i cabinet. thank you for the latest | air. as peter touched on their one of the questions that people have been asking in the last 2a hours since lord cameron has become foreign secretary is how he can properly be held accountable on the job and be scrutinised, given that he does not sit in the house of commons and therefore cannot take questions from mps in the usual way. although of course he can be grilled by various committees. to discuss this further, i am joined by a programme director and institute of government, an independent think—tank which aims to improve government effectiveness. you know a thing or two about all of this, accountability and how to hold ministers to account. what do you think is the best mechanism now to ensure that the foreign secretary can be held to account and his actions can be properly scrutinised? it is quite obvious that mps themselves will be very frustrated with this. the chamber is not their chamber and not the place in which david cameron appears. as far as the public is concerned, there will be accountability of david cameron in the house of lords and it will be very good and very expensive. we have a lot of people with great experts. he is theirformerformer secretaries, people who have worked in intelligence come embassies around the world and people who bring an awful lot of other kinds of expertise. not as politically lively. mps can still ask questions of him if their constituents have concerns, they can still write to him and he will appear in front of select committees, house of commons and house of lords select committees, so there will be scrutiny but that will not change the fact that four mps, they will be speaking to the number two so andrew mitchell in particular who is minister of state in the foreign office. ~ ., ., ,, , ., ~ minister of state in the foreign office. ~ ., ., ,,, ., ~ ., office. we heard from the speaker of the house of — office. we heard from the speaker of the house of commons _ office. we heard from the speaker of the house of commons as _ office. we heard from the speaker of the house of commons as well- the house of commons as well yesterday saying he was going to look at this whole issue. it is not the first time that this has been the first time that this has been the case but it has not happened for sometime. he said he will look at theissue sometime. he said he will look at the issue to make sure that there are effective mechanisms. if you were advising him on how to do that, aside from what you have just said, what other advice would you give? the house of commons themselves looked into this when lord mandelson was heading up the business department from the house of lords in the late to thousands. they recommended to potential changes including having appearances in westminster hall which means that both houses can get together and david cameron would be able to face mps there and have questions there, so that is one option for them. there is more that can happen, you can have a joint committee between the house of lords and house of commons so they can scrutinise him together and that will be a more robust mechanism than facing both of them individually, so there are things that can be done. really, i think the big question is whether or not in the departments, that they are giving enough time and opportunity to the house of lords to make sure that when david cameron does agree there, that he will be screwed nice properly and mps can then follow up on those questions with other members of the foreign office, other ministers. oftentimes, foreign secretaries are travelling around the world so they often send juniors so really it is about making sure the whole team is being held to account and that both chambers are working together. [30 account and that both chambers are working together.— working together. do you think mps will be able then, _ working together. do you think mps will be able then, you _ working together. do you think mps will be able then, you say _ working together. do you think mps will be able then, you say there - working together. do you think mps will be able then, you say there is l will be able then, you say there is going to be a lot of frustration, will they be a workable way forward, evenif will they be a workable way forward, even if it is in a way if andrew mitchell is a defect to second foreign secretary when it comes to the house of commons cosmic yes, that pretty much sums it up. it the house of commons cosmic yes, that pretty much sums it up.- that pretty much sums it up. it will be frustrating _ that pretty much sums it up. it will be frustrating for _ that pretty much sums it up. it will be frustrating for mps. _ that pretty much sums it up. it will be frustrating for mps. that - that pretty much sums it up. it will be frustrating for mps. that is - be frustrating for mps. that is because they are the elected representatives, they are therefore the primary chamber and they want the primary chamber and they want the focus of government business to be in their house but often times we see that scrutiny is deeper and more extensive in the house of lords anyway so really, it is about both chambers trying to make sure that they are working in concert and not necessarily duplicating what each other are doing. good questions, written questions to the foreign secretary will still be answered by david cameron the's office on his behalf so effectively by david cameron so there are plenty of mechanisms that mps have, both on behalf of their constituents and looking at foreign policy more generally to be able to ask things of david cameron. so they should be able to make it work if they use the existing mechanisms or develop some new ones but i don't think is going to change the underlying complains that the speaker and mps will have over this appointment, which isjust the nature of having to chambers. thank you very much for taking us through what is quite a complicated process going forward. if you are justjoining us, we are in downing street and the black door behind us is closed but it was opening and closing a lot earlier as various members of the cabinet, the newly formed cabinet, after yesterday, were arriving for a cabinet meeting which only if units ago, maybe 15 minutes ago, got under way. that new cabinet will be sitting around the table with prime minister rishi sunak but around the table will be someone who sat there before, during those meetings, former british prime minister, david cameron, lord cameron now, who is the new foreign secretary. other notable changes in the last 2a hours include the move from the foreign office to the home office ofjames from the foreign office to the home office of james cleverly. he course replaces suella braverman who was sacked yesterday morning. the other big moves, isuppose, in terms sacked yesterday morning. the other big moves, i suppose, in terms of policies going into a general election in the next year, which is expected th