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the latest we're hearing is that police have begun making arrests. we're told that more than 80 arrests have been made for breach of the peace while a further ten people have been arrested for possessing offensive weapons and drugs. these pictures are of more counter—protestors are being held inside a pub by police, as the main protests goes past. here's an update from the metropolitan police. from about 9am this morning we have seen several hundred counter protesters that came towards whitehall and, from what we can see, they came intent on confrontation, intent on violence and intent causing trouble. we have made a number of arrests, including, within the counterprotest, including for possession of a knife, possession of a button, possession of class a drugs and assault on emergency workers. �* , ., ., ,, workers. let's go live to the us embassy- _ let's go live to the us embassy. our news correspondent frances read is at the israeli embassy, where the protest is finishing. beginning to disperse at though disperse very noisily, as you can hear at the moment. we have had some players in the colours of the palestinian flags as well so the air is quite so furry at the moment but people are starting to disperse and thatis people are starting to disperse and that is really key, isn't it? the police said that 5pm was the absolute cut—off, that people had to disperse and that was one of the conditions of the demonstration, being able to go ahead today. so we're kinda passed that deadline now and people are making their way away from this area. we actually saw quite a family atmosphere earlier. a lot of family salad and when they reached here at the us embassy, they then made their way through to battersea power station, down the river, is a people have been dispersing since they got here but you sell those striking pictures earlier, those kind of two miles worth of demonstrators so it is taking quite a long time for that tail end to start coming through here. we saw another wave, probably about five or ten minutes ago, where it got really busy and reach that kind of 5pm mark but now i think there is more people coming the other way who reached the end, then there are now going towards the end of the march now. starting to come to an end, albeit quite noisily. the hue to an end, albeit quite noisily. the huge police _ to an end, albeit quite noisily. the huge police presence, of course, today, and officers brought in from around the country to support the met police. how many are there where you are at the end of the march? yeah, they're keeping quite a low profile, actually. ithink yeah, they're keeping quite a low profile, actually. i think because it has been quite a peaceful atmosphere, really, on the whole. the police have kept quite far back but we know they are waiting in the wings. we know that, probably, just a bit behind here, there are a lot of police indeed at the end of this march but they are keeping a low profile here because there is no trouble that we have seen so far at the moment. and so we know that the police are here and being supported very specifically. we saw the gold command who are in charge of this entire operation and they came here before this demonstration even got anywhere near here in order to speak to police and give them their support. to police and give them their su ort. . ~' ,, to police and give them their su--ort. . ~' , to police and give them their su--ort. . ~ , . ., support. thank you very much for “oininu support. thank you very much for joining us- _ support. thank you very much for joining us. from _ support. thank you very much for joining us. from outside - support. thank you very much for joining us. from outside the - support. thank you very much for joining us. from outside the us l joining us. from outside the us embassy there with the very latest on is happening on the streets. people do begin to disperse. the hospital al—shifa has been forced to suspend operations. there are reports of fighting close to the hospital overnight. doctors inside al—shifa say at least one baby has died and more than 30 are at risk, as electricity has been cut admit the israeli offensive. now, we have had from the idf, the defence force in israel, claiming al—shifa is hamas's main command post. this is something hamas demands but also medics inside the hospital, too. 0ur correspondence begins our correspondence begins our correspondence from the middle east. and so transformed it the israeli military says the situation here is clear — that hamas has created a base underneath gaza's biggest hospital and so transformed it into a legitimate military target. but today, a senior figure from the israeli military conceded there are still thousands of civilians in the courtyard of the al—shifa hospital. and so making it, like other hospitals in this part of gaza, right on the front line. israel's latest attack on gaza overnight. an unrelenting barrage, like most nights, over the past five weeks. israeli forces have now surrounded gaza city's major hospitals. some palestinians waving white flags, desperate to reach safety. israel claims hamas have built a control centre under gaza's biggest hospital, making it a legitimate military target. inside the wards of the al—shifa hospital, chaos. patients fill the beds and the floors. many cannot be saved. 0ne surgeon told the bbc this morning it was becoming impossible to operate. shooting and bombardment everywhere. you hear it at every second here around the shifa hospital. no one can get out from the shifa hospital. no one can come to the shifa hospital. the situation is very, very dangerous. there is no water, even in the main building. no electricity, no food even, and no fuel. the israeli defense forces released this footage of what it said were its latest assaults on hamas positions. israel maintains it's doing all it can to avoid civilian casualties. translation: hundreds of thousands of gaza's residents have _ already moved south, and hamas is doing everything in its power to prevent them from doing so. hamas uses civilians as human shields. it is ready to endanger the lives of children of gaza to protect itself. it has no limits. israel says, over the past few days, more than 150,000 palestinians have followed its order to leave northern gaza. but many families cannotjoin the evacuation and remain trapped on the front line. nick beake, bbc news, jerusalem. 0ur correspondent in gaza is rushdi aboualouf. he says more people are arriving at refugee camps from northern gaza. in khan younis today, more than 2000, 3000 people have already fled from the north and they arrived here in khan younis. people are still going, moving, evacuating the gaza city in the north and coming to khan younis. very few of them, two or three people, they were coming from al—shifa hospital. they said the situation remained very tense around the hospital, with the tanks getting closer and closer to the gate of the hospital and the access in and out of the hospital is almost impossible. now, very few people, like, five or six people, they managed to escape under fire from the hospital this morning. but they told me about 10,000 people remain in the courtyard of the hospital. no electricity there. most of the operations are suspended, including the intensive care unit in the hospital. communication with those who are in the hospital are extremely difficult. i managed to call a journalist who may be the last one who was there and he said he is unable to do any sending any picture or talking to anybody in the hospital but he described what is going on around the hospital as a real war. we have to understand that this is notjust the hospital. this is the biggest medical centre, like the biggest kidney dialysis department is in this hospital. the biggest surgery is in this hospital. this is notjust a symbol, this is very complicated. the story with those thousands of people are still trapped civilians inside the hospital. last thing i want to say about al—shifa hospital is that today, about 100 dead bodies were buried in the car park of the hospital because they said they were unable to move them to the cemetery and they have no space in the morgue. they have to bury about 100 people. they say they were killed from an air strike on a school yesterday, nearby, shot a refugee camp close to the hospital so they were buried in a mass grave in the car park of the hospital. live now to our diplomatic correspondent paul adams in jerusalem. what is israel saying about these accusations of attacking hospitals inside gaza? the accusations of attacking hospitals inside gaza?— inside gaza? the israelis acknowledge _ inside gaza? the israelis acknowledge that - inside gaza? the israelis acknowledge that there l inside gaza? the israelis| acknowledge that there is inside gaza? the israelis _ acknowledge that there is definitely fighting, intense fighting between theirforces fighting, intense fighting between their forces and hamas gunmen fighting, intense fighting between theirforces and hamas gunmen in gaza city. what they dispute is that hospitals are being targeted. there was a statement released a couple of hours ago saying there is no shooting at the hospital and no siege. they say that, in the case of the al—shifa, they are keeping one side of the perimeter of that hospital complex open so that people can leave and walk down the road and join the main road that takes people to the south. anyone who says otherwise, according to this statement, which was delivered, interestingly, in arabic, anyone who contradicts it as a liar. so the israelis are emphatic. they are not targeting the hospital. but i think what, you know, it's going on there is that there is certainly, heavy fighting between israeli forces and hamas. it is definitely in the environs of many of these hospitals because these are the very places that the israelis say hamas is using as a cover for its activities. that they have facilities underneath al—shifa hospital, for example, claim that they made several times and we've yet to see hard evidence of that. maybe we will see it in the coming days if al—shifa finally falls into israeli hands but clearly, the hospitals are a focus of israeli military activity. they want, as much as possible, to encourage, maybe scare people into leaving the area and moving south, so that they can concentrate on dealing with hamas. mil so that they can concentrate on dealing with hamas.— so that they can concentrate on dealing with hamas. all day you will have seen them _ dealing with hamas. all day you will have seen them too, _ dealing with hamas. all day you will have seen them too, have _ dealing with hamas. all day you will have seen them too, have been - have seen them too, have been reading and speaking to international aid agencies who are desperately pleading for some kind of ceasefire in gaza. we are not close to that ceasefire, it seems, but where are we at in times of these military pauses? welcome auain, the these military pauses? welcome again, the israelis _ these military pauses? welcome again, the israelis say _ these military pauses? welcome again, the israelis say that - these military pauses? welcome again, the israelis say that theyl again, the israelis say that they are continuing to implement these policies on a daily basis for several hours a day. there was another one today. again, for the purposes of people moving to the cells, in terms of the north, there is no other purpose, as far as the israelis are concerned. it is all about getting people to move away from those contested areas. so that is all that is really going on in terms of any pauses. 0f is all that is really going on in terms of any pauses. of course, as mcculloch was indicating, influx is just adding to the misery that because there is not adequate aid arriving in the south, people are still not sure exactly where is safe and virus end, and so, the situation there becomes more acute, even as there becomes more acute, even as the fighting in gaza city becomes perhaps what might be another crucial phase. the perhaps what might be another crucial phase.— perhaps what might be another crucial phase. perhaps what might be another crucial hase. ., ,, ., , crucial phase. the end of shabbat in israel crucial phase. the end of shabbat in israel today. — crucial phase. the end of shabbat in israel today. of— crucial phase. the end of shabbat in israel today, of course. _ crucial phase. the end of shabbat in israel today, of course. as - crucial phase. the end of shabbat in israel today, of course. as you - israel today, of course. as you stand there injerusalem and talk to people, how do you assess the mood of israelis at the moment? 5tiiiii. people, how do you assess the mood of israelis at the moment?— of israelis at the moment? still, i would say. _ of israelis at the moment? still, i would say. a _ of israelis at the moment? still, i would say, a mood _ of israelis at the moment? still, i would say, a mood of— of israelis at the moment? still, i would say, a mood of resolve - of israelis at the moment? still, i would say, a mood of resolve and determination to do what most people in this country believe needs to be done. no one, no israeli wants to be backin done. no one, no israeli wants to be back in a situation they were in on october seven. they never want to 0ctober seven. they never want to see that happen again. i have had israelis tell me, we never want to have anything more to do with it gaza or any of the people living in gaza. if we could just tow it out into the middle of the mediterranean and leave it there that would suit us just fine. so and leave it there that would suit usjust fine. so i think most israelis have got quite a high tolerance, frankly, for what the israeli military is doing. they regard it necessary. they regard it as targeted and proportional. that might sound very odd to outside observers who see these daily scenes of misery, of hundreds of thousands of misery, of hundreds of thousands of people on the move becoming refugees, once again. of hospitals gradually ceasing to the israelis regard all of this as necessary. thanks forjoining us from jerusalem. arab and muslim leaders are gathered in saudi arabia to discuss the israel—gaza war. scheduled summits of the arab league and the organisation of islamic cooperation have been merged in response to the situation in gaza. 0ur security correspondent frank gardner is there with more. the one thing they can all agree on is they want it to stop immediately. i don't think there is anybody here at this vast conference, in this lavish conference centre here in riyadh, that is not calling for a ceasefire. where there are differences below the surface is what action if any should be taken. so you've got the iranian president and a big iranian delegation here, i saw him just not a short time ago, that's president ebrahim raisi of iran, and it's unusual in itself for the president of iran to be here in saudi arabia. these are the two big regional heavyweights with totally different agendas in this region so i think they are going to have to go for the lowest common denominator in terms of what they can all agree on which is an end to the fighting, a condemnation of israel's actions, and more humanitarian aid, and ultimately an end to israeli occupation of palestinian territories. where they are going to disagree is whether any concrete action should be taken, because algeria two days ago, during a meeting of foreign ministers, pushed for essentially an end to the abraham accords. they wanted countries like the uae, the united arab emirates, and bahrain to sever their relations with israel. there has been pushback on that, those countries don't want to do that, they want to keep channels open, even though they don't approve of what israel has been doing. iran has made it clear that it says this is not a time for words in gaza, it is a time for action and that is making people a bit nervous here, what do they mean by that? we have already seen the houthis, who are an iranian ally in yemen, firing missiles towards israel, aiming at southern israel. you've had iranian—backed proxy militias in lebanon, syria, iraq, all firing missiles, and that is concerning the more conservative arab rulers here. so beneath the surface they're not united, but they will come up with a united stand condemning israel. syria's president, bashar al—assad, is here. i mean, this man was an absolute pariah in the arab world, he was essentially kicked out of the arab league from the 2011 uprising onwards, soon after that. he's only been rehabilitated a few months ago but he is here. you've got turkish president erdogan, who for a while was not on good terms with the saudi hosts here at all at the time of the jamal khashoggi murder five years ago and you've got leaders from all over the muslim world, you've got a number of african leaders here and of course you've got president mahmoud abbas of the palestinian authority is here and he's been very outspoken. one of the things arab ministers have been saying to me privately, and i think this should make the west worried, they are saying that they view western attitudes to this as being one of double standards, of hypocrisy. why? because they said the west was very quick to condemn russia for its slaughter of civilians in ukraine, the terrible deaths there from missile attacks, and yet the numbers killed there are dwarfed by the numbers killed in gaza and they are saying western countries, particularly the united states, and the uk, have been muted at best when it comes to that. let's go back to the events in london today because as we know there's been a huge pro—palestinian march taking place involving 300,000 people. but as well as that more than 100 people have been arrested during various counter—protests which were taking place at the same time. videos show them shoving police officers. this skirmish is in westminster. earlier they clashed with officers near the cenotaph, ahead of a service to mark armistice day. the met police sources have told the bbc many of the counter—protesters arrested are connected to football the met police sources have told the bbc many of the counter—protesters arrested are connected to football hooliganism, and some of them have previous convictions for football violence. as we continue to see these pictures from central london, of the end of this peaceful protest that has happened today, we can speak to our guest. let's speak to ron winch, an associate professor in policing at birmingham city university. iam sure i am sure you have been watching with eagle eyes all day. how do you think it has gone?— with eagle eyes all day. how do you think it has gone? predominantly, a eaceful think it has gone? predominantly, a peaceful protest _ think it has gone? predominantly, a peaceful protest event _ think it has gone? predominantly, a peaceful protest event took - think it has gone? predominantly, a peaceful protest event took place i peaceful protest event took place with some counterprotest policing, that has been proportionate, robust and, i think, that has been proportionate, robust and, ithink, you know, we have that has been proportionate, robust and, i think, you know, we have a situation sometimes in policing and it is an old adage, that sometimes the police win by appearing to lose and i think this is one of those occasions where the police have been criticised, we've had politicians also. but today, so far, at least, i think, we can start to believe, and it starts to emerge that we have seen a peaceful event and a successful event take place, certainly as far as the metropolitan police are concerned. today has passed off successfully from a policing operational perspective. people have been allowed to indulge in pe

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