told the bbc that the company did not give clear and definitive confirmation that the lines were de—energised. the result was police treating fallen lines as live, and blocking roads. one witness, travis miller, showed the bbc his footage. he filmed the main road going north out of the town, blocked for hours by the police. i knew like once i saw the road block, this is insane. like, those people are on the road, not because of a trafficjam but one that is created by, you know, our authorities. the mayor of maui, richards bisson, told the bbc the town should have been better prepared. you know better preparation, right, i mean, that's what everybody is pointing to. who should take responsibility for that? we all should take responsibility. all of us, for sure. at least 99 people lost their lives that day, and authorities are still trying to identify remains using dna technology. u'i and the people she took with her were able to escape the fire, but several of her neighbours weren't so lucky. some people say you're a hero for saving them. they would have been dead. and i'm like, i'm nota hero. do you know how many people i passed? that i didn't know about, that i didn't check on? i don't think people are on purposely block this road, so that people could burn in their cars. i definitely don't think that. i just think that somebody on the other side of the fence or on the other side of the wall was trying to do what they thought would be the best thing, or what they were told was the best was the best thing at the time, and unfortunately, it may have been a mistake, and a very costly one. and you can see the full our world documentary escape from lahaina on the bbc news channel and the iplayer. that's all from us tonight. i'm back monday. until then, have a good weekend. goodnight. talks between qatar and egypt. i hear the news about qatar, they egyptians, it's better not to have any opinion on it and it is very difficult because for us, every small news, it's a light.- difficult because for us, every small news, it's a light. hope to continue draining _ small news, it's a light. hope to continue draining from - small news, it's a light. hope to continue draining from gaza - small news, it's a light. hope to continue draining from gaza city| continue draining from gaza city today, israel said 100,000 people fled south in the past two days. a humanitarian corridor, a last bid for protection. after the promises of hamas and the promises of international law. lucy williamson, bbc news, southern israel. now france's president emmanuel macron has urged israel to stop killing women and babies in gaza, reiterating his call for a cease—fire in the war, he said there was no reason for vulnerable people to be bombed and killed and that israel's actions had no legitimacy. he was speaking to our editor patty adler. let's be clear, i was among the first to call after the terrorist attack, the 7th of october. we clearly condemned the terrorist attack, the terrorist group and recognise the right of israel to protect itself and react. from day one, with the reaction and the fight against terrorism, because it is led by a democracy should be compliant with international rules. rule of war and humanitarian international law. and day after day what we saw is a permanent bombing of civilians in gaza. and i think it's... it's very important to see the whole story, but i... i think this is the only solution we have. is this cease—fire. because it's impossible to explain, we want to fight against terrorism —— we don't want to fight against terrorism by killing innocent people. the against terrorism by killing innocent people.- against terrorism by killing innocent --eole. ., ., , innocent people. the fight against terrorism and _ innocent people. the fight against terrorism and has _ innocent people. the fight against terrorism and has to _ innocent people. the fight against terrorism and has to be _ innocent people. the fight against| terrorism and has to be merciless, but not outside the rules. do you think israel is respecting those rules, the international rules that you are referring to?— you are referring to? look, in the ve first you are referring to? look, in the very first days. — you are referring to? look, in the very first days, it's _ you are referring to? look, in the very first days, it's clear - you are referring to? look, in the very first days, it's clear that - very first days, it's clear that the emotion, the compassion... created a situation where everybody was just close to israel and backing them and sharing the pain. and we do share the pain and we do share the willingness to get rid of terrorism. we know what terrorism means in france. but i think there is no justification, precisely, to attack civilians. ~ ., ., ~ ., justification, precisely, to attack civilians. ., ., ~ ., , civilians. what i would like to 'ust clarify with — civilians. what i would like to 'ust clarify with you. i civilians. what i would like to 'ust clarify with you, are i civilians. what i would like to 'ust clarify with you, are you i civilians. what i would like to just clarify with you, are you saying i clarify with you, are you saying that israel is guilty of breaking international humanitarian law, potential war crimes?— international humanitarian law, potential war crimes? potentialwar crimes? look, ithink it's not the — potentialwar crimes? look, ithink it's not the proper _ potentialwar crimes? look, ithink it's not the proper way _ potentialwar crimes? look, ithink it's not the proper way to - potentialwar crimes? look, ithink it's not the proper way to approach j it's not the proper way to approach the question. we do recognise their right to protect themselves, and one month after this terrorist attack or think it would be not the right way to deal with a partner and friend just to say you would be condemned and you are guilty. de facto, today, civilians are bombed. de facto, babies, ladies, old people are bombed and killed. there is no reason for that.— bombed and killed. there is no reason for that. while the conflict has led to growing _ reason for that. while the conflict has led to growing anger - reason for that. while the conflict has led to growing anger and - reason for that. while the conflict i has led to growing anger and unrest in the wider reach her and now the biden administration reportedly received stark warnings from american diplomats in the arab world's american diplomats in the arab worlds that its strong support for israel's military campaign in gaza, is losing... the cable underscores profound concern among american officials about the growing anger against the united states. earlier i put those concerns to former ambassador to turkey and iraq, james jeffries. we are seeing the four hour pauses in the fighting, israel is still rejecting a cease—fire. do you see this then as the first step towards somehow slowing or stopping this conflict? hat towards somehow slowing or stopping this conflict? ., . , , this conflict? not necessarily, because i _ this conflict? not necessarily, because i don't _ this conflict? not necessarily, because i don't understand i this conflict? not necessarily, i because i don't understand what this conflict? not necessarily, - because i don't understand what the focus is on stopping this conflict. the most important thing in the middle east today is that hamas be destroyed as a governing and particularly military force in gaza. that's not only the view of the israelis would still be view of united states, and our european allies, and i think many arab capitals. the enormous human cost of the struggle is something that needs to be brought under control but we shouldn't let the purpose of this fighting be dismissed because of the real concerns about the humanitarian situation. ~ ., ., real concerns about the humanitarian situation. ., ':: 11:11: real concerns about the humanitarian situation. ., ':: ijijij , situation. more than 10,000 people have died in — situation. more than 10,000 people have died in gaza _ situation. more than 10,000 people have died in gaza during _ situation. more than 10,000 people have died in gaza during this - situation. more than 10,000 people have died in gaza during this fight, l have died in gaza during this fight, how can israel carry out this operation, as you have said you see it as absolutely necessary to eradicate hamas, how can the israelis do so without such an incredible loss of life? i israelis do so without such an incredible loss of life?- incredible loss of life? i think there are _ incredible loss of life? i think there are ways _ incredible loss of life? i think there are ways in _ incredible loss of life? i think there are ways in the - incredible loss of life? i think there are ways in the unitedl there are ways in the united states has advised them they can use different types of ordinance. i was involved on the attack in volusia, iraq in 2018, i have visited both afterwards and when an enemy terrorist force digs into a city and uses the civilian population as human shields, there is tremendous destruction and unfortunately very high civilian casualties. nevertheless they can be reduced and that's what we're pushing israel do. we've also had the bbc spoken to family members of those who have been taken hostage inside gaza and somehow these air strikes in gaza are not helping the aim of getting hostages release, what's your response to that?— hostages release, what's your response to that? that may be, but auain, response to that? that may be, but again. what — response to that? that may be, but again. what i _ response to that? that may be, but again, what i have _ response to that? that may be, but again, what i have not _ response to that? that may be, but again, what i have not heard - response to that? that may be, but again, what i have not heard and i again, what i have not heard and it's been many days since tony blinken, the secretary of state, the whole purpose of this fighting is to defeat the hamas threat to the existence of israel. that's a real fear on behalf of the israeli people and for good reason. i don't know how they're going to do that if they stop fighting. 50 how they're going to do that if they step fighting-— how they're going to do that if they stop fighting. so ambassador, what about the analysts _ stop fighting. so ambassador, what about the analysts who _ stop fighting. so ambassador, what about the analysts who make - stop fighting. so ambassador, what about the analysts who make the i about the analysts who make the point that in defeating hamas politically and militarily is actually going to be extremely difficult to achieve?— actually going to be extremely difficult to achieve? that's what i call... it difficult to achieve? that's what i call--- it has— difficult to achieve? that's what i call... it has a _ difficult to achieve? that's what i call... it has a lot _ difficult to achieve? that's what i call... it has a lot of _ difficult to achieve? that's what i call... it has a lot of validity - difficult to achieve? that's what i call... it has a lot of validity butl call... it has a lot of validity but it's wrong. what we did not do in the 0bama and trump administrations against the islamic state, we took them on as a military force, the primary goal with the attacks, into syria and other battles, was to destroy it as a governing and military force capable of threatening literally the existence of a racked and the existence of our syrian democratic forces, friends in northeast syria. we accomplish that. it still exists, there is 15,000 of them, they operate as terrorist cells. their ideology is still there, i'm sure that will be the case with hamas in fact undoubtedly. hopefully it won't be able to do in the future what it did to israel on the future what it did to israel on the 7th of october, just like the islamic state was not able to roll over off of a racked when it did in 2014 and will not be able to. that's the purpose the israelis are trying to accomplish.— to accomplish. ambassador i also want to ask _ to accomplish. ambassador i also want to ask you _ to accomplish. ambassador i also want to ask you about _ to accomplish. ambassador i also want to ask you about the - to accomplish. ambassador i alsoj want to ask you about the region, to accomplish. ambassador i also - want to ask you about the region, we see cnn reporting that the biden administration has received stark warnings of american diplomats in the arab world that its strong support for israel's military campaign in gaza is turning arab publics away from the us for a generation. publics away from the us for a generation-— publics away from the us for a aeneration. ~ ., , ., ~ ., publics away from the us for a aeneration. ~ ., ~ ., ~ , generation. what you think that? as an american — generation. what you think that? as an american diplomat _ generation. what you think that? as an american diplomat i _ generation. what you think that? as an american diplomat i spent - generation. what you think that? as an american diplomat i spent much| generation. what you think that? as i an american diplomat i spent much of my time in the middle east, i appreciate colleagues providing honest reporting. i have to say however, i never thought we had the arab public�*s support when i was in a rack and this was well after the fighting had ended. we were down around 10—15% of the population indicated something positive about us. we seen these same reactions, there are no more severe now but we saw them in 2003, we saw them in 1991 with the first gulf war and we even sought after 2001 with her actions in afghanistan. i don't want to belittle these, they are important developments and they are concerning, but that should not be the primary driver of washington decision—making. the primary driver of washington decision-making.— the primary driver of washington decision-making. ambassador, if there is a push _ decision-making. ambassador, if there is a push for— decision-making. ambassador, if there is a push for peace, - decision-making. ambassador, if there is a push for peace, if - decision-making. ambassador, ifj there is a push for peace, if there is going to be an end to this conflict, can the us, given what you just said, be an honest broker in the region? we just said, be an honest broker in the region?— just said, be an honest broker in the reuion? ~ . . , ., ~ the region? we made a huge mistake with strategically _ the region? we made a huge mistake with strategically devastating - with strategically devastating effects on the region in 2003, going into iraq. and you remember how we were condemned. look at the role we have played in the region and elsewhere, such as mobilising the whole east asian community against china's threat to taiwan, look at what we've done to ukraine, i think we will take some hits diplomatically. i would we will take some hits diplomatically. iwould point we will take some hits diplomatically. i would point out two things. number one, the six arab countries that have ties with israel, and lebanon which has a recent offshore gas deal with israel, none of them have broken off any of their ties. they've pulled ambassadors and other things but they are still maintaining a relationship.— they are still maintaining a relationshi. ., ~' . ., relationship. thank you so much for “oininu us relationship. thank you so much for joining us on _ relationship. thank you so much for joining us on bbc— relationship. thank you so much for joining us on bbc news. _ relationship. thank you so much for joining us on bbc news. thank - 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