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earlier, it's interesting, the timing, it's been about three weeks now since that first attack by hamas. what you make of the timing and we should not say that this is the awaited ground incursion but this is maybe the most significant military action we have seen. what do you make of the large gap there, three weeks? first gap there, three weeks? first of all i gap there, three weeks? first of all i think— gap there, three weeks? first of all i think the _ gap there, three weeks? first of all i think the israelis - gap there, three weeks? i; "st of all i think the israelis did not have a plan for what they wanted to do. they knew what the objective was, to destroy hamas, they didn't necessarily know what they wanted to do, and i think the conversations with the us when president biden visited, about a week or so ago was very important in terms of the us really saying to the israelis we know your objective but we also know there is a lot of anger, a lot of rage, you really want to go in guns blazing, no pun intended, but think about a strategy here, let's be more strategic. where is your objective? can you meet that objective? can you meet that objective? think twice, don't make the same mistakes that the us made at 9/11, to just act and take actions that they came to regret later, and i think that advice and counsel really did help guide the israelis as they thought about what they wanted to do. this is an urban warfare in gaza, israeli troops are not necessarily, does not necessarily their wheelhouse, so to speak. a lot of these troops are reservists, they don't have that urban warfare experience i think this delay was a couple of things, firstly it was advice from the president, trying to figure out what the strategy is in third the us and others wanted get some more time for negotiations and the sausages are to figure out what they were dealing with, how many hostages do they have, was there a chance of getting out, and we saw some release and there was an expectation that hamas was going to continue to trickle them out, to keep delaying that incursion. it does seem now like as you said, i don't think we will see that full on ground invasion, you have tens of thousands of troops on the border with gaza, i don't think we will see them go all in the next 2a hours, but the israelis are starting to shape the battlefield, and they are going and are being very tactical and strategic about getting in, i think they are trying to suss out the situation, maybe they have some information about whether hostages are, i think they are trying to see what they are trying to see what they destroyed and all of those airstrikes, and maybe try and set up a base of operations. i think when day breaks, we will know whether those tanks will come out. we may see a couple of those larger ground invasion is going in, trying to continue to shape the battlefield. after the advice from the united states and i think the us does not really want to see a full on ground invasion, this might be the shape of the military campaign, we really don't know. a series of smaller moves rather than one big move. i ratherthan one big move. i think that is what the us is suggesting, i know that's what arab arab states are saying, surgical, get in, get out, if the israeli troops all go in, they could be really setting themselves up for a trap, i think that is the advice we are getting. think that is the advice we are cuettin. ., think that is the advice we are iiettin, ., ., . ., think that is the advice we are cuettin. ., ., . ., , getting. you touched on this and this is — getting. you touched on this and this is certainly - getting. you touched on this and this is certainly a - and this is certainly a question on everybody�*s mind, there are still several hostages taken into gaza and still in captivity. what does what we have seen playing out over the last several hours means any sort of diplomatic efforts to free those hostages on the part of israel? there were discussions being moderated by qatari officials as well. . v . moderated by qatari officials as well. . �*, ., , as well. that's right, and they were bearing _ as well. that's right, and they were bearing some _ as well. that's right, and they were bearing some fruit, - as well. that's right, and they were bearing some fruit, and | were bearing some fruit, and the thought was the delay was bearing fruit for hostages and there was talk about whether they could be a larger release, may be of women or children, may be of women or children, may be of women or children, may be civilians, some of the foreign national is, i think those conversations were bearing fruit, i think maybe they might have stalled a little bit, and i think public opinion has really changed in israel. after the horrific attack, a lot of israelis were like we know the cost but we have to go after hamas and if the hostages are martyrs for that case, sorry for that because, we understand, obviously that would not be happy with it, but i think public opinion is changing and the israelis are coming to realise they did not feel protected by the israeli government and how they feel like the israeli government really has the responsibility to go in and get those hostages, and we have not even talked about the humanitarian situation in gaza, which is becoming this catchphrase, the humanitarian situation is really bad, but it is getting worse by the day, arab officials are warning of the un, warning of a officials are warning of the un, warning ofa humanitarian catastrophe of more aid does not get in, we are having refugee situations where hundreds of thousands of people are on top of one another, we will see thickness illness, disease. will see thickness illness, disease-— will see thickness illness, disease. ., , , disease. more warnings 'ust today because i disease. more warnings 'ust today because we �* disease. more warnings 'ust today because we saw h disease. more warningsjust today because we saw the l today because we saw the communications going down within gaza, so difficult for emergency personnel to communicate each other, looking now at gaza and the humanitarian situation, a dramatic moment earlier at the united nations, the resolution being approved, it is not binding but it was an overwhelming majority of the world's nations. what kind of pressure might israel now be under given the number, thousands of people killed these airstrikes? what have we been seeing, even protest propping up today in new york city, grand central terminal, what. .. city, grand central terminal, what... is that at city, grand central terminal, what. .. is that at all likely to sway israel and what it does? . , . , does? there was a very important _ does? there was a very important country - does? there was a very important country thatl does? there was a very i important country that did does? there was a very - important country that did not vote for that resolution, the united states, so what is really going to force the pressure onto the israelis is when what is the pain point for president biden? he has been in lockstep with the israelis about the need to go after hamas, his calls have grown louder and the us is doing a lot on the humanitarian front, and is saying the right things in terms of asking for humanitarian pores, trying to get more aid in, and they were intense negotiations going on but what is the pain point for president biden when he can no longerjust let the israelis do what they need to do and say ok, they are called for a 0k, they are called for a humanitarian pause, you have not heard the usa the word ceasefire. if you go back to 2006 when the war was against hezbollah, i was travelling with kinder lisa rice at the time, the former secretary of state, and the international community was calling for a ceasefire, and the us was not. after things continue to get really bad and the deaths piled up really bad and the deaths piled up on the lebanese and particularly on the lebanese side the us was finally like 0k, we need to wrap this up and what the us is also looking for is, and i think we will start to talk a lot more about this, where is this going? what is the endgame before we get to that, because i do want to touch on that, as we are talking of international pressure, the un approving the non—binding resolution, calling for humanitarian truths in gaza just hours after israel's defence forces announce their expansion of ground operations. is the first un response to this ongoing war as we were touching on, the security council failing touching on, the security councilfailing on touching on, the security council failing on for different attempts to reach any kind of consensus, some vetoes, some votes against by the united states, the israeli ambassador, after today's resolution passed condemned it, take a listen.— take a listen. today is a day that will go _ take a listen. today is a day that will go down _ take a listen. today is a day that will go down in - take a listen. today is a day that will go down in infamy. take a listen. today is a day - that will go down in infamy. we have _ that will go down in infamy. we have all— that will go down in infamy. we have all witnessed at the un no longer— have all witnessed at the un no longer holds even one ounce of legitimacy or relevance. this organisation was founded in the wake _ organisation was founded in the wake of— organisation was founded in the wake of the holocaust for the purpose — wake of the holocaust for the purpose of preventing atrocities. yet, the spectacular —— spectacle we justice — spectacular —— spectacle we justice or— spectacular —— spectacle we justice or proves beyond a doubt _ justice or proves beyond a doubt that the un is committed, sadly. _ doubt that the un is committed, sadly, tragically, not to preventing but ensuring further atrocities. ., preventing but ensuring further atrocities. . ., , atrocities. that was the israeli ambassador - atrocities. that was the israeli ambassador to l atrocities. that was the l israeli ambassador to the atrocities. that was the - israeli ambassador to the un, the palestinian ambassador also speaking today, here's what he said. , ., ~ , , , , said. the general assembly prevailed — said. the general assembly prevailed and _ said. the general assembly prevailed and sent - said. the general assembly prevailed and sent the - prevailed and sent the appropriate message not only to the palestinian people, that there — the palestinian people, that there is— the palestinian people, that there isjustice and fairness and — there isjustice and fairness and international humanitarian law upheld by the general assembly, but also it sent a message _ assembly, but also it sent a message to everyone, enough is enough. — message to everyone, enough is enough, this war has to stop, the carnage against our people has to— the carnage against our people has to stop and humanitarian assistance should begin to enter— assistance should begin to enter the gaza strip with at least — enter the gaza strip with at least 100 truck loads of humanitarian assistance and to stop— humanitarian assistance and to stop the — humanitarian assistance and to stop the crime against humanity of forced — stop the crime against humanity of forced transfer.— of forced transfer. that backdrop _ of forced transfer. that backdrop of _ of forced transfer. that backdrop of diplomacyl of forced transfer. that i backdrop of diplomacy at of forced transfer. that - backdrop of diplomacy at the un, gaza's hamas controls health ministry has said that 7326 people have now been killed in the gaza strip since hamas began those attacks on israel almost three weeks ago, more than 40% of those are children and a senior un official is warning that many more will die from catastrophic aid shortages because of israel's siege of the strip. reporting now in the diet humanitarian situation in the gaza strip. by any means possible... precious water borne towards the thirsty and the tired. here, seeking shelter in schools, confined in a place the un says is becoming a place the un says is becoming a hell. you can see the pain we live in, my husband suffers from a stroke, says this woman, i plead to the whole world to look at the palestinian people a merciful i. samaria is from refugee family. ids, a merciful i. samaria is from refugee family.— refugee family. a few pitiful refu i ees refugee family. a few pitiful refugees rescuing _ refugee family. a few pitiful refugees rescuing what - refugee family. a few pitiful refugees rescuing what few| refugees rescuing what few belongings they can. like many palestinians _ belongings they can. like many palestinians whose _ belongings they can. like many palestinians whose children - belongings they can. like many| palestinians whose children and grandchildren reported refugee camps, for nearly 75 years the un has been working to meet the welfare needs of palestinian refugees. welfare needs of palestinian refu i ees. , welfare needs of palestinian refugees— welfare needs of palestinian reriees. , ., ., refugees. every look over our shoulders. — refugees. every look over our shoulders, this _ refugees. every look over our shoulders, this is _ refugees. every look over our shoulders, this is a _ refugees. every look over our shoulders, this is a timeline. | shoulders, this is a timeline. now its representatives in the region are calling for a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into gaza.— ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into gaza. what's happening now in gaza _ aid into gaza. what's happening now in gaza is _ aid into gaza. what's happening now in gaza is a _ aid into gaza. what's happening now in gaza is a horrific- now in gaza is a horrific slaughter, 2.2 million people, is called the strip for a reason, 45 kilometres long by about 20 at its largest point so it is a strip and there is nowhere for these people to go, for them to flee.— for them to flee. many have tried to find _ for them to flee. many have tried to find sanctuary - for them to flee. many have tried to find sanctuary in - tried to find sanctuary in schools, and all teaching has stopped in gaza. generations are crowded together here. still, the customary �*s abilities are observed. this woman was also displaced in 1948. gaza back then was a refuge. today, it is a trap. translation: it's very hard, i live next to the toilets, and very sick, and more than 13 members of my family have been tells. ., , ., . tells. there was not much in life that she _ tells. there was not much in life that she has _ tells. there was not much in life that she has not - tells. there was not much in life that she has not seen, i tells. there was not much in | life that she has not seen, or any choice about what she must now endure. here in washington the biden administration says it supports a pause in the military operations to enable aid to get in. at the white house this afternoon john house this afternoonjohn kirby, the house this afternoon john kirby, the spokesman for the national security council told reporters that temporary specific pauses on the battlefields where an idea worth exploring.— battlefields where an idea worth exploring. there should be consideration _ worth exploring. there should be consideration made - worth exploring. there should be consideration made right i worth exploring. there should i be consideration made right now for humanitarian pauses, localised, temporary specific pauses on the battlefield so that humanitarian assistance can get in to people that need it, or they the people can get out of that area in relative safety. that's what humanitarian pauses and we think it's an idea worth exploring. pi. think it's an idea worth exploring-_ think it's an idea worth exploring. think it's an idea worth ex-liorin. ~ , ., ., ., exploring. a short time ago, we had this report _ exploring. a short time ago, we had this report from _ exploring. a short time ago, we had this report from this - exploring. a short time ago, we had this report from this view i had this report from this view on the us. lie had this report from this view on the us-— had this report from this view on the us. us officials are not commenting _ on the us. us officials are not commenting about _ on the us. us officials are not commenting about the - on the us. us officials are not i commenting about the expanded israeli ground incursion in it — and about the escalation and airstrikes, that's what the israeli military should talk about, it would not be appropriate to say anything from washington. they would not want to rest the security of operations and they support israel's right to defend itself, there were supplied with security assistance, and they are not drawing any redlines in terms of the execution of the operation. having said that, they are very clear about the concerns. john kirby, the white house spokesman talked a lot about their concerns, about the need to get humanitarian aid in, feel, about the need to continue negotiating about hostages, the concerns about the conflict spreading, and they said they were having these conversations with the israelis, they were asking them hard questions about where is this going? how will it end? what is your strategy, your aims? how will they conduct the operations and at the end of the day it was up to israel to have the answers to those questions about the soundness of its planning and the effectiveness of the execution of those plans, and it is something that the americans have very much connected themselves to because they support israel so strongly, but they are also very aware of how complicated it is and what the consequences could be and they are clearly conveying that to the israelis. police are still with me here. —— elise. let's look at what we've been diving into things taking place with this now increased military action by israel into gaza. i think it's also interesting to look at the politics in the us but the politics in the us but the politics in the us but the politics in israel. prime minister netanyahu did not have a whole lot of support, even heading up into this attack by hamas. how much pressure do you think has been on him and on the israeli government to take some sort of action?— some sort of action? carl, there's — some sort of action? carl, there's an _ some sort of action? carl, there's an incredible - some sort of action? carl, i there's an incredible amount some sort of action? carl, - there's an incredible amount of pressure. as you mentioned, your viewers have seen all of the incredible protests over the incredible protests over the last year against benjamin netanyahu and... the last year against ben'amin netanyahu and. . .* netanyahu and... weeks and weeks of _ netanyahu and... weeks and weeks of people _ netanyahu and... weeks and weeks of people in _ netanyahu and... weeks and weeks of people in the - netanyahu and... weeks and i weeks of people in the streets. hundreds of thousands of people in the streets so was very unpopular and was able to withstand that but then this attack, you would think maybe israelis would rally behind the government. i would say that the one thing that benjamin netanyahu had going for him is that he was seen as the security prime minister and that he may not be a great person and we may not like him very much but he knows security and will keep us safe so he didn't do that and if benjamin netanyahu cannot keep us safe, who can? there is a lot of fear and a lot of fragility in the israeli psyche and the kind of trauma that everybody went through and i think there's, you know, i've been talking about and understanding that this government fell short. it was a major, massive intelligence failure and there is a, you know, a lot of people saying that there was just so much diversion with his political drama that the government took their eye off the ball which is the number one concern for israel in this rough neighbourhood which is security and i think his days are numbered. i would say they are numbered. i would say they are not going to do anything. i think that's one of the things he put the wall cabinet together. he put the wall cabinet together-— he put the wall cabinet toiether. , ., ., together. he brought together his political— together. he brought together his political rivals. _ together. he brought together his political rivals. yes, - together. he brought together his political rivals. yes, a - his political rivals. yes, a cabinet — his political rivals. yes, a cabinet of _ his political rivals. yes, a cabinet of rivals. - his political rivals. yes, a cabinet of rivals. why? i his political rivals. yes, a - cabinet of rivals. why? because his government was so weak and there were so many questions about him, he brought in these people. everyone will kind of rally together for the war, i would say. not too soon after the war, i think you are going to see him face a lot of challenges. i don't know if he will be able to hold on this time. and i do think there is an understanding in the region that the region needs new leadership, notjust on the israeli side but on the palestinian side. my commuter bus, we talked about how hamas runs gaza but what does that mean, it means the palestinians don't have any leadership —— mahmous abbas. you have the palestinian leader of the un, he is not party to the conference, he's a bystander, so the talk right now among diplomats in the region is not just about what's going on on the ground but it also has to be done with an eye towards the day after, you know, there needs to be a recognition, they cannot sideline the conflict anymore and be back in a few years but really have to do something notjust on the palestinian leadership but i think everyone thinks there's not really going to be a peace process until benjamin netanyahu is out of government. interesting, we'll see how the political situation plays out but in the meantime we do have our bbc teams on the ground in the region and we want to take a closer look now at how israel's ground operations may play out. jeremy bowen has more on that. that they've been digging this network of tunnels. some people say it could be hundreds of kilometres long under this very small area. the israelis did a briefing this afternoon where they said there were even bunkers underneath the main hospital in gaza city, shifa, where thousands of people have taken refuge. the israelis say that includes quite a lot of the hamas people who went over to the border, those gunmen who went over there killing and taking hostages. so israel says it's going after these bunkers. now, what they're also going to be doing is massively increasing the level of military action of violence directed at the gaza strip. and while israel has said to people in the northern part of the gaza strip that they need to leave and go south, and a lot of people have, a lot of people haven't, too. and because humanitarian conditions in the south where the israelis have let in very few supplies and where they've cut off supplies of water, food and medicine, as they have to the whole gaza strip, because of the lack of facilities there. some people have gone back up north to their homes. the un has talked at length about this. so, there are lots of civilians in that area where they're operating who must be having an extremely terrifying and rough night. and there will undoubtedly be even heavier civilian casualties than there have been up to now in the three weeks of bombing. now, that is important, notjust because it's the loss of life. it's important, too, because of the effect it has in driving the responses to the conflict. and the very heavy number of palestinians who've been killed by israel, i think has for some, even among israel's allies, has eroded the legitimacy of what they're doing. perhaps that's why israel has decided finally to act on the ground, because they sensed, i think, that the mounting casualty figures were bringing up more and more pressure for a ceasefire. and today in doha, the qataris have been acting as intermediaries between israel and hamas. hamas have offices in doha, the capital of qatar, in the gulf, and the information earlier on was that negotiations were going pretty well to try to get a deal to release more hostages — more than 200 are in there — and also to perhaps even have some kind of humanitarian cease—fire. —— ceasefire. well, they were stalling then by late afternoon, and certainly, with this offensive going on, i don't think there's any chance that those talks are going to progress. jeremy bowen reporting and you are looking at live pictures of the skyline from ashkelon in israel that's the gaza between israel that's the gaza between israel and gaza there, israel have not actually confirmed this is the start of their much anticipated ground invasion but speaking to bbc news, the former israeli ambassador to the us michael oren was asked whether he thought this was going to be the beginning of a ground offensive.— going to be the beginning of a ground offensive. likely sorry. --it is ground offensive. likely sorry. --it is likely — ground offensive. likely sorry. --it is likely sorry. _ ground offensive. likely sorry. --it is likely sorry. much - ground offensive. likely sorry. --it is likely sorry. much is i ——it is likely sorry. much is because electricity has been cut off but because we are going against a lot of clocks. —— likely so. we have a service called up who have left their families and jobs for three weeks now and that's not sustainable by any inaudible so i would assume this is the beginning of the round —— ground incursion following a period where there were some intensive contacts about the hostages and the government and military here concluded hamas was dragging its feet in trying to get a ceasefire and a ceasefire for israel, ceasefire sounds very positive, it's actually meaning the end of this country, it means people cannot go back to their homes, we have 300,000 people are being evacuated and means we cannot restore the deterrence power in a bad neighbourhood so a ceasefire really means a victory for hamas that got away with murder and mass murder. that a nonstarter so i believe this is yes the beginning of it. �* ., . ~ this is yes the beginning of it. 1, . ~ ., this is yes the beginning of it. ., , this is yes the beginning of it. back to elise labott. your thoughts _ it. back to elise labott. your thoughts on _ it. back to elise labott. your thoughts on the _ it. back to elise labott. your thoughts on the former- it. back to elise labott. your. thoughts on the former israeli ambassador to the us? fairly convinced on his side that this is the beginning of some sort of ground incursion into gaza? i think the question is it's definitely the beginning of something but we know what. is it going to be a dozen or so of these small, tactical, you know, manoeuvres? and then, a big fall on tanks rolling in? tens of thousands of troops rolling in —— full—on. 0r tens of thousands of troops rolling in —— full—on. or is this it? this is what the us is recommending, by the way, surgical, tactical, get in, get out, destroy a target, get out. assess a new target. is this going to be a more long, drawn out thing? pretty much destroyed most of north gaza already. so i don't think there is much more days of extensive... this is trying to do, shape the battlefield. if this is the second phase so i think they are going in and trying to find out what they've done. like, what they've destroyed, what's left, what do we still need to do? i don't think this is the beginning of the full on. this may be the beginning of the second phase of shaping the battlefield but once the battlefield is shaped, how are these trips going to go in and fight it? figs how are these trips going to go in and fight it?— in and fight it? as many experts _ in and fight it? as many experts they _ in and fight it? as many experts they are - in and fight it? as many| experts they are difficult battlefield inside of gaza —— troops. thank you elise labott for your insights. we believe it there and be back with more details at the top of the hour. hello, there. it's remaining unsettled this weekend with low pressure sticking close by. we'll see showers or longer spells of rain, some sunshine, too. it's not going to be a complete wash—out. but winds will be quite blustery, particularly close to the coast, all thanks to this pretty vigorous area of low pressure which has been with us for a while now, anchored to the west of ireland, bringing all these showers, even longer spells of rain and stronger winds with little areas of low pressure running around it. one such system moving across the country during saturday night. saturday itself starts off with a fine note through the midlands. a bit of some low cloud and sunshine but showers in the south and the west spreading northwards with more persistent rain affecting eastern scotland with stronger winds here but some brightness for western scotla nd with some shelter from the easterly breeze. temperatures 10—16. now, later in the day, we will start to see one of these little areas of low pressure bringing wet and windy weather to southern england and south wales, spreading northwards during the night, ending up across parts of scotland and northern ireland, the north of it staying windy and quite blustery for the second half of the night across england and wales with clear spells and scattered showers. those temperatures nowhere particularly cold — 9—11 degrees. but don't forget early on sunday morning, the clocks go back one hour so, for many of us, it is an extra hour in bed. but sunday does look unsettled, particularly scotland, northern ireland. it will be wet with some of the heaviest of the rain towards eastern scotland. we could have some flooding issues here, strong winds as well. england and wales will have a mixture of sunny spells and showers, most of the showers towards the south and the west, some of them could be heavy and thundery. temperatures a little bit cool across northern scotland. otherwise, it's the mid—teens further south. little change, really, as we head into monday. that low pressure begins to weaken but it's still close by enough to bring further unsettled weather and i think for most, it's going be a mixture of sunshine and showers again. again, most of the showers towards the south and the west, where they could be quite heavy, and blustery winds across the south and west. for northern and eastern scotland, persistent rain over the tops of the cairngorms. it will be chilly here. further south, low— to mid—teens. staying unsettled into the first week of november with low pressure systems moving across the country. there is a chance, towards the end of the new week, we could see some severe gales, so stay tuned to the forecast. live from washington, this is bbc news. officials in the us state of maine have confirmed that the suspect of wednesday night's mass shooting has been found dead. large explosions seen in gaza as israel's bombardment bills, israel says it is expanding its operations, and the un calls for an immediate humanitarian truce as 120 countries vote in favour of the resolution. hello i'm kyle now ciman. we begin in the us state of maine where police say a man suspected of killing 18 people in a shooting has been found dead after a two day

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