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hello, you are welcome. there have been waves of intense israeli air strikes over gaza, much heavier than in previous nights. the israeli army says it's increasing the number of air strikes on the territory and expanding its ground force operations. you are watching live picture is now coming to us from guys where sirens are warning of more rocket fire to come. communications including phone and internet have been cut off, making it nearly impossible for residents to reach anyone. amid the darkness come explosions are intensifying. the israeli defence forces are winning gaza city residents to move south for their safety. city residents to move south fortheirsafety. hamas for their safety. hamas military wing fortheirsafety. hamas military wing says it's clashing with israeli forces in northern gaza and targeting to southern israeli cities with what it because an intense missile barrage. an overwhelming majority of the un general assembly voted in favour of an immediate truce in gaza, adopting a resolution that condemns all acts of violence against palestinian and israeli civilians. it calls for an in hindered aid and protection of civilians. we will bring you more on that later in the programme. it's happening is the humanitarian situation in gaza is growing increasingly dire. the palestinian red crescent society says it will run out of fuel in the coming hours and will be unable to provide emergency medical services in gaza without a fuel for its ambulances. here is our international editor who has the latest from jerusalem. not long after dark, the bombardment of gaza intensified. israel called it expanding ground operations. hamas said it was fighting an israeli incursion into the northern gaza strip, and fired salvos of rockets back into israel. the un secretary—general�*s pleas for a humanitarian ceasefire were drowned out. this is a moment of truth, he said. history willjudge us all. the day that led up to this had moments of quiet, though not of hope. in khan younis hospital in southern gaza, they stopped for the noon prayer, after another deadly night. then israel released video of its naval commandos raiding targets on the gaza coast. somewhere, hidden inside gaza, are more than 200 hostages taken by hamas. talks to free at least some of them were said to be going well in the hours before israel's new onslaught. many palestinians believe israel wants to force them out of gaza for good. this lawyer was writing, "my heart, my heartbeat," on the shroud of his baby, stillborn after his pregnant wife was killed. like many other civilians, they stayed in northern gaza after israel ordered them to leave. later, israel released video what it says was an attack on the hamas tunnel network. was it a clue of what was coming? israeli military commanders said again that hamas uses palestinian civilians as human shields, and they said hamas has bunkers under gaza city's main hospital. this is an illustration of shifa hospital, and the underground facilities. i want to repeat, this is only an illustration. we will not share here the true material. terrorists move freely in shifa hospital, and other hospitals in gaza. we have concrete evidence that hundreds of terrorists flooded into the hospital to hide there, after the massacre of october 7th. about ten kilometres from gaza, in ashkelon, volunteers were signing up for duty with the israeli police. they were issued with brand—new american assault rifles by itamar ben—gvir, israel's national security minister. he has a conviction for inciting racism. many israelis think he is a dangerous extremist. ben—gvir believes israel can eliminate hamas and destroy palestinian hopes for independence. but he was popular here at the police station. the volunteers believe his plan to arm civilians is the best way to protect their families. on the other side, they are not humans, they are monsters. we need to take gaza. gaza belongs to us. we need to take gaza and then we can transfer it to the palestinian authorities. but first we need to take gaza. it's beach weather, but they were empty as israel's troops prepare to go into gaza. it feels as fragile here as in the years after the holocaust, according to the former speaker of parliament. people sentimentally and emotionally, are back to �*45—�*48. we are pre—state emotionally, we are no—state economically and socially, and we have no answer what to do with the next—door neighbour. so of course there is a need for a new call, for a new paradigm. it's a very, very difficult trauma. but a very promising renaissance. and every birth comes to the world with a lot of pain and blood. before the chance of a brighter future comes a present that is grim and getting grimmer. a hamas rocket beat ashkelon�*s defences in the last hours before the israeli offensive. and this evening... explosions. ..in the dark night over gaza, israel is sending in wave after wave of strikes by heavy artillery and aircraft. jeremy bowen, bbc news, jerusalem. israel has not officially confirmed that this is the start of its much threatened ground invasion, but speaking to bbc news a little earlier, the former israeli ambassador to the us was asked whether he thought this looked like the beginning of a ground offensive, this was his answer. it's likely so, notjust because of the electricity and communications cut off, we expect that at the beginning of a ground operation, but also because we are going up against a lot of clocks. we have branded 60,000 reservists branded 60 , 000 reservists called branded 60,000 reservists called up. these are young women, men who have left their families, left theirjobs for three weeks now. tomorrow makes three weeks now. tomorrow makes three weeks, and that is not sustainable by any stretch of time. yes, iwould sustainable by any stretch of time. yes, i would assume that this would be the beginning of the ground incursion following a period where there is some intense contact about the hostages and the government, the military here concluded that hamas was just dragging its feet and trying to get a cease fire. israel, i know that sounds very positive, a cease—fire for israel actually means the end of this country commit means that people cannot go to their homes. 300,000 people have been evacuated means we can't teach care the power in a bad neighbourhood, so cease—fire means a victory for hamas who literally get away with murder committing it with massacring moo away with murder committing it with massacring1400 people. that was a nonstarter, so i believe, yes, this is the beginning of the ground incursion. to beginning of the ground incursion.— beginning of the ground incursion. ., ,. ,, , �* incursion. to discuss this, i'm “oined incursion. to discuss this, i'm joined now— incursion. to discuss this, i'm joined now by _ incursion. to discuss this, i'm joined now by the _ incursion. to discuss this, i'm joined now by the president i incursion. to discuss this, i'm| joined now by the president of the middle east policy counselling from a us ambassador to multi—. also us middle east policy expert and ceo of the engaged foundation. thank you both forjoining me, if i can charge you for us for the last six hours or so, we have been looking at very dramatic images from the sky over gaza a large scale bombardment there. strong words from the idf earlier as well. do you think this is the beginning of the next phase of this much talked about ground invasion. , , ., invasion. yes, i believe that it is. shots _ invasion. yes, i believe that it is. shots from _ invasion. yes, i believe that it is. shots from gaza - invasion. yes, i believe that it is. shots from gaza are i it is. shots from gaza are terrifying. if you can imagine the people, excuse me, underneath having that bombardment on their heads and around them. hopefully this is around them. hopefully this is a phase that will be as quick as possible, but the reality is that the level of death and destruction is going to be unimaginable for us until we see it afterwards.— unimaginable for us until we see it afterwards. well, what is our see it afterwards. well, what is your view? _ see it afterwards. well, what is your view? to _ see it afterwards. well, what is your view? to think - see it afterwards. well, what is your view? to think this i see it afterwards. well, what is your view? to think this is | is your view? to think this is the start of a new phase? it sure looks like it, as the ambassador said, early moments of a ground operation, how long would _ of a ground operation, how long would it— of a ground operation, how long would it go on for, the duration of that. it's yet to be seen _ duration of that. it's yet to be seen by... it would be quite severe, — be seen by... it would be quite severe, and _ be seen by... it would be quite severe, and really it is a dangerous escalation and based on what — dangerous escalation and based on what we are seeing from even the biden— on what we are seeing from even the biden administration, it is not something that they are recognising. not something that they are recognising-— recognising. giving the unwavering _ recognising. giving the unwavering support - recognising. giving the | unwavering support the recognising. giving the - unwavering support the us is providing to israel, would there have been any advance notification or consultation with the us by israel before this began?— with the us by israel before this began? with the us by israel before this bean? ~ ., , , ., this began? well, obviously not ri to this began? well, obviously not privy to such — this began? well, obviously not privy to such notices, _ this began? well, obviously not privy to such notices, but - this began? well, obviously not privy to such notices, but as - this began? well, obviously not privy to such notices, but as a l privy to such notices, but as a former— privy to such notices, but as a former state department official, i would former state department official, iwould imagine former state department official, i would imagine they would — official, i would imagine they would have had notifications as well as— would have had notifications as well as close intelligence sharing as well as our military as well— sharing as well as our military as well political leaders. this is an— as well political leaders. this is an israeli decision, i know i is an israeli decision, i know ijusl— is an israeli decision, i know iiusl said _ is an israeli decision, i know ijust said that, the biden administration has been very clear— administration has been very clear that they do not advise. you _ clear that they do not advise. you are — clear that they do not advise. you are knotting along there. i think he's got it exactly right. certainly the negotiations that have been led ljy negotiations that have been led by ambassador david satterfield with the israelis, with the egyptians and with hamas to find a way of getting aid into civilians and, of course, we cannot, as americans, forget the hundreds of american citizens that are trapped in gaza. this is something that has weighed heavily on the administration and certainly those in the department of state to have been through many crises before. i recall my own time working the task force in 2006 when we were moving and protecting american citizens out of an active war zone in beirut. remove 15,000 americans. so the capabilities of the united states are unquestioned. the matter is getting the negotiations to ensure that our people can safely get in to help our people out. safely get in to help our people out-— people out. given the escalation _ people out. given the escalation that - people out. given the escalation that we - people out. given the i escalation that we have people out. given the - escalation that we have seen tonight and those air strikes and that's warning from the idf that there is going to be an escalation and ground offensive as well, does that change the calculation from a us perspective around what they do to try to get those american citizens out? it to try to get those american citizens out?— to try to get those american citizens out? it most certainly does. certainly _ citizens out? it most certainly does. certainly we _ citizens out? it most certainly does. certainly we are - citizens out? it most certainly does. certainly we are not. does. certainly we are not going to try to put more americans in harm's way. we don't have information right now, of course, as to whether there is any movement before this ground offensive started where people are coming from some of your earlier shots, it does look calm in this southern part of gaza. there may be things happening even as that so offensive is fairly localised in the northern part of the strap. localised in the northern part of the strap-— localised in the northern part of the strap. well, what do you see as happening _ of the strap. well, what do you see as happening next, - of the strap. well, what do you see as happening next, i - see as happening next, i suppose, after this. if israel has decided to escalate in this way and it does send ground troops and, where does it go from there? it troops and, where does it go from there?— troops and, where does it go from there? .., ., ., , from there? it could go in many different ways. _ from there? it could go in many different ways. i _ from there? it could go in many different ways. i served - from there? it could go in many different ways. i served in - different ways. i served in iraq — different ways. i served in iraq during the height of the iraq — iraq during the height of the iraq civil— iraq during the height of the iraq civil war in 2070 2008. could — iraq civil war in 2070 2008. could very much turn into a very— could very much turn into a very difficult combat with high civilian— very difficult combat with high civilian casualties but also military— civilian casualties but also military casualties, possibly as high— military casualties, possibly as high as 30% within the israeli _ as high as 30% within the israeli military. iwant as high as 30% within the israeli military. i want to go back— israeli military. i want to go back to _ israeli military. i want to go back to us _ israeli military. i want to go back to us very quickly when your— back to us very quickly when your audience hears about hostages and americans, how my certainly— hostages and americans, how my certainly is — hostages and americans, how my certainly is holding a number of hostages who are dual citizens, who are american, but their— citizens, who are american, but their palestinian americans right— their palestinian americans right now maybe as many as 600 that are — right now maybe as many as 600 that are unable to leave because of the aerial bombardment by israel. | because of the aerial bombardment by israel. i think that is the _ bombardment by israel. i think that is the point _ bombardment by israel. i think that is the point that _ bombardment by israel. i think that is the point that you - bombardment by israel. i think that is the point that you are i that is the point that you are making, wasn't it, in terms of the hostages being one particular case, but there are american palestinians and 2.3 million palestinians who are looking for help looking for aid, looking for a way out. and efforts to get anyone out to have failed thus far, and even getting aid and has been a trickle compared to what would usually cross the border at the roth crossing.— usually cross the border at the roth crossing. absolutely, and 'ust roth crossing. absolutely, and just regarding _ roth crossing. absolutely, and just regarding what _ roth crossing. absolutely, and just regarding what may - roth crossing. absolutely, and| just regarding what may happen next is — just regarding what may happen next is the possibility of an escalation and a regional war. -- rafah— escalation and a regional war. —— rafah crossing. | escalation and a regional war. -- rafah crossing.— -- rafah crossing. i think far, ou -- rafah crossing. i think far, you know. _ -- rafah crossing. i think far, you know, hezbollah - -- rafah crossing. i think far, you know, hezbollah and - you know, hezbollah and lebanon, they obviously do not want _ lebanon, they obviously do not want to— lebanon, they obviously do not want to get involved if it looks _ want to get involved if it looks like this is going to lead _ looks like this is going to lead to— looks like this is going to lead to the illumination of class _ lead to the illumination of class and essentially israel being _ class and essentially israel being able to focus solely on hezbollah. this may be viewed as an _ hezbollah. this may be viewed as an existential fight for hezbollah that they have no choice — hezbollah that they have no choice but to enter.- hezbollah that they have no choice but to enter. from your time in the — choice but to enter. from your time in the state _ choice but to enter. from your time in the state department, j time in the state department, how fraud, i suppose, are things going to be tonight in the administration with officials in the state department in terms of where we stand and how potentially risky this situation is right now. well, first of our committee when — well, first of our committee when dealing with this crisis basically has a sleeping bag at the state department. they are not going — the state department. they are not going anywhere. same thing in the _ not going anywhere. same thing in the white house and any relevant _ in the white house and any relevant agency, everyone would be called — relevant agency, everyone would be called in to monitor what is happening whether regarding the american who is stuck there but also _ american who is stuck there but also the — american who is stuck there but also the broader political and military— also the broader political and military security situation. i could — military security situation. i could only imagine that the administration from the national security council and the senior adviser, the president himself are obviously on the — president himself are obviously on the phone making all kinds of calls— on the phone making all kinds of calls about the israelis to palestinian authority regional partners. i would palestinian authority regional partners. iwould imagine palestinian authority regional partners. i would imagine they would — partners. i would imagine they would be — partners. i would imagine they would be advising the escalation, finding and offering for the current crisis as with — offering for the current crisis as with some basic fundamental questions — as with some basic fundamental questions of netanyahu, how does — questions of netanyahu, how does this and? and how long do you foresee the ground operation and obviously the aerial— operation and obviously the aerial campaign continuing, raising _ aerial campaign continuing, raising all kind of scenarios that— raising all kind of scenarios that everyone would like to avoid _ that everyone would like to avoid. look, idon't that everyone would like to avoid. look, i don't think they have _ avoid. look, idon't think they have all— avoid. look, i don't think they have all the answers, but i think— have all the answers, but i think we _ have all the answers, but i think we can get there by asking _ think we can get there by asking those basic questions. what — asking those basic questions. what does your view on that? spot on. you know, we began from this heinous attack and went immediately to political officials talking about vengeance. as soon you have a word that is full of emotion and not the policy, then there are going to be decisions that may well prove likely to prove unwise. a decision was made early on that thousands, perhaps 10,000 civilians were perhaps 10 , 000 civilians were worth perhaps 10,000 civilians were worth best efforts to eradicate thomas and no one can argue with that desire for a government, have said repeatedly, reminded us all that the first responsibility of the state is to protect its people. the israeli government failed to do that and has to regain the trust of its own people. but back cost, and this heat still of battle and vengeance and revenge where we have set aside shared humanity, the horribleness of what happened to israel is now the horribleness of what is happening to palestinians and they shared humanity is going to come to light sooner rather than later, and when we look at this, many questions will be asked about whether ants could possibly have been worth it even as it was thought at the beginning because eradicating hamas militarily is one thing, but politically, ideologically and is certainly another and all of those civilians were under bombardment right now may well become that next generation, and that has to be taken into account as well. both people deserve to get out of this cycle of vengeance, of revenge, of violence with each other, and it will take courage by the leaders on both sides to do so. . . do so. ok, stay with us we will ick u- do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those _ do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those points _ do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those points in - do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those points in just - do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those points in just a i pick up those points in just a moment. but for now, i went to go live to a reporter in israel, joining us live from tel aviv. thank you forjoining us. can you tell us a little bit about how things are where you are right now, what is happening at the moment? 50. happening at the moment? so, telaviv, i— happening at the moment? so, telaviv, i think, _ happening at the moment? in, telaviv, ithink, for happening at the moment? 557, telaviv, ithink, forthe happening at the moment? 5&3, tel aviv, i think, for the last four hours it is quiet, no sirens, no recent rocket or missile launching from gaza. there is a massive artillery and air force bombardment which according to unofficial is probably the hardest and most aggressive and extensive ever launched on the gaza strip in history, and there were quite a feel heavy bombardments. this is considered to be the heaviest. including that are the idea spokesperson is speaking of enlarging —— the idf spokesperson is talking about the ground offensive and the reports that we are getting from gaza our convoy is of invading the northern strip. this night, they were on the those small incursions into gaza for supper —— special operations. of course, if someone expected a massive multidirectional multi—vector s attack, this is not happening, but we see, of course, tomorrow, later, what is the face of this is really ground offensive. i5 face of this is really ground offensive-— face of this is really ground offensive. , ., , , offensive. is there a support to bear amongst _ offensive. is there a support to bear amongst israelis - offensive. is there a supportj to bear amongst israelis and tel aviv and throughout the country for this escalation? this is just my feeling from sticking with people, the polls are changing, and i think as we go furtherfrom that go further from that devastating day of october seven, the blood still boils for people they also understand the price that israel and the palestinians will pay for the ground invasion. however, and i heard went to your previous interviewer said about the motive being revenge, retaliation, i have no doubt estimating the portion of revenge, the motives that led the israeli government to decide on the ground invasion committee think this is strongly supported by the population and, the people of israel, and also among the reservists, they recruited 360,000 reservists, the biggest recruitment of reservists in its history and spending most of the time since the hamas attack in the front and meeting hundreds and maybe thousands of reservists that can say they are very determined, and it does notjust about does not just about retaliation, does notjust about retaliation, notjust about retaliation, not just about revenge, retaliation, notjust about revenge, but also i'm not saying if it is right or wrong, the mindset of israeli leaders, it is notjust benjamin netanyahu, i think he was the most has a tends to strike the offensive, but the most enthusiastic. my —— the mindset is if israel after holocaust isis type but share and massacre what not react in a way that would be signalled that no one could hurt israelis orjews without paying the price, then it is notjust about revenge, it's notjust about revenge, it's notjust about the past. israelis believe it is about the future, that if this is not dealt with in the most forceful way, the next will be out there is really see this country with no retribution and trying to do the same. this is remaining the colour of, i believe, the israeli motivation.- colour of, i believe, the israeli motivation. ok, of the new york _ israeli motivation. ok, of the new york times _ israeli motivation. ok, of the new york times in _ israeli motivation. ok, of the new york times in tel - israeli motivation. ok, of the new york times in tel aviv, l new york times in tel aviv, thank you very much for those insights. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's bring you some live pictures from gaza city at this hour. we can take a look at the sky line over gaza they are. a reminder that huge explosions have been seen in northern gaza as israel carries out its most intense air strikes in the past three weeks. the israeli army spokesperson said the military was expanding its ground operations in gaza. mobile phone services and the internet there are currently out of operation. hamas's armed wing says it has engaged in fighting with israeli forces in gaza and have called on the world to act immediately to stop the air strikes. the israeli army spokesperson also repeated a call for palestinians in gaza city to move south. you can see there a flash as we watch those pictures of the sky over gaza city. israel has been bombing gaza since the 7th of october. attacks that killed 1&00 people and saw 229 people kidnapped as hostages. the hamas run health ministry in gaza said 7000 people have been killed since israel's retaliatory bombing began. you are live with bbc news. i am joined began. you are live with bbc news. iamjoined here began. you are live with bbc news. i am joined here in studio with the panel here to talk to us. if i could just come back to you on a point there that run and burden of there that run and burden of the new york times mentioned a moment ago that what israel is doing is largely a show of strength that as he put it, if you attack israel and israelis, that there will be retribution. what do you make of that? i heard that jane kept thinking about every time israel has tried to do that whether that show of strength has created a deterrence are produced more death and pushed both parties away from an eventual political solution. there's been a number of gaza conflicts where israel has only retaliated the way it does. there's been a number of wars in lebanon, and all we get are more civilians killed on both sides and the prospect of whether a two state solution are a unified state for both people that keeps them equally ijust people that keeps them equally i just don't think it works. there is clearly no military solution to this conflict. 0nly solution to this conflict. only a political one.— a political one. there is a lona a political one. there is a long history _ a political one. there is a long history of _ a political one. there is a long history of this - a political one. there is a l long history of this conflict as well— long history of this conflict as well points out the israeli response to attacks from palestinians inevitably leading to a significantly larger number of palestinian deaths than — number of palestinian deaths than israelis. sometimes it is three — than israelis. sometimes it is three to — than israelis. sometimes it is three to one, sometimes it is ten to— three to one, sometimes it is ten to one. _ three to one, sometimes it is ten to one, in this case, it is going — ten to one, in this case, it is going to _ ten to one, in this case, it is going to be _ ten to one, in this case, it is going to be ten to one may be more — going to be ten to one may be more. that is how israel responds with a show of strength. at the facts are exactly _ strength. at the facts are exactly as stated, this cycle continues. the united states has long _ continues. the united states has long said there is not a military— has long said there is not a military solution to this, it must _ military solution to this, it must be _ military solution to this, it must be political process. we, i must be political process. we, i would — must be political process. we, i would say, took our eye off the ball— i would say, took our eye off the ball that we believe that the ball that we believe that the israeli government had it in hand. _ the israeli government had it in hand, the prime minister's mowing — in hand, the prime minister's mowing the lawn from time to time _ mowing the lawn from time to time was _ mowing the lawn from time to time was working and keeping people — time was working and keeping people create a sense, but history— people create a sense, but history has shown repeatedly that people will rise up. between a terrorist organisation in the palestinian people — organisation in the palestinian people. having been in contact with palestinian friends and israeli — with palestinian friends and israeli friends over the last three — israeli friends over the last three weeks, we can't lose sight — three weeks, we can't lose sight of— three weeks, we can't lose sight of that difference and it is to— sight of that difference and it is to clear that we are repeatedly losing sight of bad weather and statements from members of our government in the united states, we have to make — the united states, we have to make sure it is clear that we can— make sure it is clear that we can stand _ make sure it is clear that we can stand with israel, we can support— can stand with israel, we can support israel without demonising and ignoring the humanity of palestinians. you've _ humanity of palestinians. you've got to walk and chew gum here _ you've got to walk and chew gum here we — you've got to walk and chew gum here. we cannotjust say no matter— here. we cannotjust say no matter what we are here. that is not — matter what we are here. that is not leadership and the president has modified some of his statements to make that clear. — his statements to make that clear. to _ his statements to make that clear, to caution the israelis, to wam— clear, to caution the israelis, to warn them and remind them of the errors— to warn them and remind them of the errors that we need ourselves in the heat of the moment— ourselves in the heat of the moment after 9/11. it is our responsibility as a true friend to israel. _ responsibility as a true friend to israel, to work hard to ensure _ to israel, to work hard to ensure that they do not do the same — ensure that they do not do the same, clearly we have not yet been — same, clearly we have not yet been successful. as same, clearly we have not yet been successful.— been successful. as jean has been successful. as jean has been staying _ been successful. as jean has been staying there, - been successful. as jean has been staying there, the - been successful. as jean has | been staying there, the biden administration does support a partisan israel's military operations to enable aid to get in. at the white house this afternoon, john kirby, the spokesperson for the national security council told reporters that temporary specific positives on the battlefield was an idea worth exploring. we can go live now to barbara plante usher, our state pla nte usher, our state department plante usher, our state department correspondent. barbara, if we just look at everything we have been hearing today, does it seem to you that this is, as we have been discussing, the beginning of this big ground incursion that israel has been threatening for some time because they'll it's difficult to say exactly where it fits in with the israeli military plan and how it wants to organise its incursions, but it is a bigger incursion, they said, than it has been so far and definitely come as a guest have been saying, this is the most severe air strikes we have seen so far, so there has been an escalation in the military operation. you are mentioning there that the white house has been talking about humanitarian process, that was the white house spokesperson talking about that sort of thing, about the need to get aid and, more aid than it had been coming in already, the need to get fuel and, the need to get palestinians at us citizenship out of gaza, something they have been working on very hard, they need to negotiate the release of the hostages. he stressed all of these things quite significantly alongside the administration because my consistent support for israel. again he was asked if he thought that this was the main israeli military incursion and he would not speak to it. he said he would not speak to israeli military operations. he did say that the americans supported israel's right to defend itself as they always have that it would support israel with munitions and security assistance and advice and so on, but that it would be “p and so on, but that it would be up to israel to determine how it executed its operations and he made very clear that the americans have been raising concerns with israel about the things that he was talking of, the humanitarian situation and so on how they proceeded. he said they were asking tough questions, what is your strategy? what is your goal? what is your name? where will this and? how you conduct the operation? and so that is clearly very much on the american mind. we can see that in the last couple of weeks that it was becoming more and more of an issue for them as they were speaking more to their area partners as they began to worry about escalation in the region has the humanitarian situation in gaza got worse and worse, they still support got worse and worse, they still su . .o i , ., �* , got worse and worse, they still sumo. ,., �*, got worse and worse, they still suo... �*, ., got worse and worse, they still suo-nl i, ., ., support israel's pain for a round support israel's pain for a ground invasion - support israel's pain for a ground invasion because l support israel's pain for a - ground invasion because they want israel, or they believe that israel should deal a forceful blow against hamas, but the consequences of that kind of operation and how it is conducted, there is a lot of consequences bearing on that, and they are speaking about that more and more. he saw that and howjohn kirby handled those questions today about israel's military campaign. barbara, and how the operation itself will be conducted, have we had any indications from the statements that have come out from israel from the idf today to suggest how it will look? we haven't had any operational details come out. we had them saying there stepping up their air strikes and that they are expanding the ground incursions. we know generally that what they want to do is

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hello, you are welcome. there have been waves of intense israeli air strikes over gaza, much heavier than in previous nights. the israeli army says it's increasing the number of air strikes on the territory and expanding its ground force operations. you are watching live picture is now coming to us from guys where sirens are warning of more rocket fire to come. communications including phone and internet have been cut off, making it nearly impossible for residents to reach anyone. amid the darkness come explosions are intensifying. the israeli defence forces are winning gaza city residents to move south for their safety. city residents to move south fortheirsafety. hamas for their safety. hamas military wing fortheirsafety. hamas military wing says it's clashing with israeli forces in northern gaza and targeting to southern israeli cities with what it because an intense missile barrage. an overwhelming majority of the un general assembly voted in favour of an immediate truce in gaza, adopting a resolution that condemns all acts of violence against palestinian and israeli civilians. it calls for an in hindered aid and protection of civilians. we will bring you more on that later in the programme. it's happening is the humanitarian situation in gaza is growing increasingly dire. the palestinian red crescent society says it will run out of fuel in the coming hours and will be unable to provide emergency medical services in gaza without a fuel for its ambulances. here is our international editor who has the latest from jerusalem. not long after dark, the bombardment of gaza intensified. israel called it expanding ground operations. hamas said it was fighting an israeli incursion into the northern gaza strip, and fired salvos of rockets back into israel. the un secretary—general�*s pleas for a humanitarian ceasefire were drowned out. this is a moment of truth, he said. history willjudge us all. the day that led up to this had moments of quiet, though not of hope. in khan younis hospital in southern gaza, they stopped for the noon prayer, after another deadly night. then israel released video of its naval commandos raiding targets on the gaza coast. somewhere, hidden inside gaza, are more than 200 hostages taken by hamas. talks to free at least some of them were said to be going well in the hours before israel's new onslaught. many palestinians believe israel wants to force them out of gaza for good. this lawyer was writing, "my heart, my heartbeat," on the shroud of his baby, stillborn after his pregnant wife was killed. like many other civilians, they stayed in northern gaza after israel ordered them to leave. later, israel released video what it says was an attack on the hamas tunnel network. was it a clue of what was coming? israeli military commanders said again that hamas uses palestinian civilians as human shields, and they said hamas has bunkers under gaza city's main hospital. this is an illustration of shifa hospital, and the underground facilities. i want to repeat, this is only an illustration. we will not share here the true material. terrorists move freely in shifa hospital, and other hospitals in gaza. we have concrete evidence that hundreds of terrorists flooded into the hospital to hide there, after the massacre of october 7th. about ten kilometres from gaza, in ashkelon, volunteers were signing up for duty with the israeli police. they were issued with brand—new american assault rifles by itamar ben—gvir, israel's national security minister. he has a conviction for inciting racism. many israelis think he is a dangerous extremist. ben—gvir believes israel can eliminate hamas and destroy palestinian hopes for independence. but he was popular here at the police station. the volunteers believe his plan to arm civilians is the best way to protect their families. on the other side, they are not humans, they are monsters. we need to take gaza. gaza belongs to us. we need to take gaza and then we can transfer it to the palestinian authorities. but first we need to take gaza. it's beach weather, but they were empty as israel's troops prepare to go into gaza. it feels as fragile here as in the years after the holocaust, according to the former speaker of parliament. people sentimentally and emotionally, are back to �*45—�*48. we are pre—state emotionally, we are no—state economically and socially, and we have no answer what to do with the next—door neighbour. so of course there is a need for a new call, for a new paradigm. it's a very, very difficult trauma. but a very promising renaissance. and every birth comes to the world with a lot of pain and blood. before the chance of a brighter future comes a present that is grim and getting grimmer. a hamas rocket beat ashkelon�*s defences in the last hours before the israeli offensive. and this evening... explosions. ..in the dark night over gaza, israel is sending in wave after wave of strikes by heavy artillery and aircraft. jeremy bowen, bbc news, jerusalem. israel has not officially confirmed that this is the start of its much threatened ground invasion, but speaking to bbc news a little earlier, the former israeli ambassador to the us was asked whether he thought this looked like the beginning of a ground offensive, this was his answer. it's likely so, notjust because of the electricity and communications cut off, we expect that at the beginning of a ground operation, but also because we are going up against a lot of clocks. we have branded 60,000 reservists branded 60 , 000 reservists called branded 60,000 reservists called up. these are young women, men who have left their families, left theirjobs for three weeks now. tomorrow makes three weeks now. tomorrow makes three weeks, and that is not sustainable by any stretch of time. yes, iwould sustainable by any stretch of time. yes, i would assume that this would be the beginning of the ground incursion following a period where there is some intense contact about the hostages and the government, the military here concluded that hamas was just dragging its feet and trying to get a cease fire. israel, i know that sounds very positive, a cease—fire for israel actually means the end of this country commit means that people cannot go to their homes. 300,000 people have been evacuated means we can't teach care the power in a bad neighbourhood, so cease—fire means a victory for hamas who literally get away with murder committing it with massacring moo away with murder committing it with massacring1400 people. that was a nonstarter, so i believe, yes, this is the beginning of the ground incursion. to beginning of the ground incursion.— beginning of the ground incursion. ., ,. ,, , �* incursion. to discuss this, i'm “oined incursion. to discuss this, i'm joined now— incursion. to discuss this, i'm joined now by _ incursion. to discuss this, i'm joined now by the _ incursion. to discuss this, i'm joined now by the president i incursion. to discuss this, i'm| joined now by the president of the middle east policy counselling from a us ambassador to multi—. also us middle east policy expert and ceo of the engaged foundation. thank you both forjoining me, if i can charge you for us for the last six hours or so, we have been looking at very dramatic images from the sky over gaza a large scale bombardment there. strong words from the idf earlier as well. do you think this is the beginning of the next phase of this much talked about ground invasion. , , ., invasion. yes, i believe that it is. shots _ invasion. yes, i believe that it is. shots from _ invasion. yes, i believe that it is. shots from gaza - invasion. yes, i believe that it is. shots from gaza are i it is. shots from gaza are terrifying. if you can imagine the people, excuse me, underneath having that bombardment on their heads and around them. hopefully this is around them. hopefully this is a phase that will be as quick as possible, but the reality is that the level of death and destruction is going to be unimaginable for us until we see it afterwards.— unimaginable for us until we see it afterwards. well, what is our see it afterwards. well, what is your view? _ see it afterwards. well, what is your view? to _ see it afterwards. well, what is your view? to think - see it afterwards. well, what is your view? to think this i see it afterwards. well, what is your view? to think this is | is your view? to think this is the start of a new phase? it sure looks like it, as the ambassador said, early moments of a ground operation, how long would _ of a ground operation, how long would it— of a ground operation, how long would it go on for, the duration of that. it's yet to be seen _ duration of that. it's yet to be seen by... it would be quite severe, — be seen by... it would be quite severe, and _ be seen by... it would be quite severe, and really it is a dangerous escalation and based on what — dangerous escalation and based on what we are seeing from even the biden— on what we are seeing from even the biden administration, it is not something that they are recognising. not something that they are recognising-— recognising. giving the unwavering _ recognising. giving the unwavering support - recognising. giving the | unwavering support the recognising. giving the - unwavering support the us is providing to israel, would there have been any advance notification or consultation with the us by israel before this began?— with the us by israel before this began? with the us by israel before this bean? ~ ., , , ., this began? well, obviously not ri to this began? well, obviously not privy to such — this began? well, obviously not privy to such notices, _ this began? well, obviously not privy to such notices, but - this began? well, obviously not privy to such notices, but as - this began? well, obviously not privy to such notices, but as a l privy to such notices, but as a former— privy to such notices, but as a former state department official, i would former state department official, iwould imagine former state department official, i would imagine they would — official, i would imagine they would have had notifications as well as— would have had notifications as well as close intelligence sharing as well as our military as well— sharing as well as our military as well political leaders. this is an— as well political leaders. this is an israeli decision, i know i is an israeli decision, i know ijusl— is an israeli decision, i know iiusl said _ is an israeli decision, i know ijust said that, the biden administration has been very clear— administration has been very clear that they do not advise. you _ clear that they do not advise. you are — clear that they do not advise. you are knotting along there. i think he's got it exactly right. certainly the negotiations that have been led ljy negotiations that have been led by ambassador david satterfield with the israelis, with the egyptians and with hamas to find a way of getting aid into civilians and, of course, we cannot, as americans, forget the hundreds of american citizens that are trapped in gaza. this is something that has weighed heavily on the administration and certainly those in the department of state to have been through many crises before. i recall my own time working the task force in 2006 when we were moving and protecting american citizens out of an active war zone in beirut. remove 15,000 americans. so the capabilities of the united states are unquestioned. the matter is getting the negotiations to ensure that our people can safely get in to help our people out. safely get in to help our people out-— people out. given the escalation _ people out. given the escalation that - people out. given the escalation that we - people out. given the i escalation that we have people out. given the - escalation that we have seen tonight and those air strikes and that's warning from the idf that there is going to be an escalation and ground offensive as well, does that change the calculation from a us perspective around what they do to try to get those american citizens out? it to try to get those american citizens out?— to try to get those american citizens out? it most certainly does. certainly _ citizens out? it most certainly does. certainly we _ citizens out? it most certainly does. certainly we are - citizens out? it most certainly does. certainly we are not. does. certainly we are not going to try to put more americans in harm's way. we don't have information right now, of course, as to whether there is any movement before this ground offensive started where people are coming from some of your earlier shots, it does look calm in this southern part of gaza. there may be things happening even as that so offensive is fairly localised in the northern part of the strap. localised in the northern part of the strap-— localised in the northern part of the strap. well, what do you see as happening _ of the strap. well, what do you see as happening next, - of the strap. well, what do you see as happening next, i - see as happening next, i suppose, after this. if israel has decided to escalate in this way and it does send ground troops and, where does it go from there? it troops and, where does it go from there?— troops and, where does it go from there? .., ., ., , from there? it could go in many different ways. _ from there? it could go in many different ways. i _ from there? it could go in many different ways. i served - from there? it could go in many different ways. i served in - different ways. i served in iraq — different ways. i served in iraq during the height of the iraq — iraq during the height of the iraq civil— iraq during the height of the iraq civil war in 2070 2008. could — iraq civil war in 2070 2008. could very much turn into a very— could very much turn into a very difficult combat with high civilian— very difficult combat with high civilian casualties but also military— civilian casualties but also military casualties, possibly as high— military casualties, possibly as high as 30% within the israeli _ as high as 30% within the israeli military. iwant as high as 30% within the israeli military. i want to go back— israeli military. i want to go back to _ israeli military. i want to go back to us _ israeli military. i want to go back to us very quickly when your— back to us very quickly when your audience hears about hostages and americans, how my certainly— hostages and americans, how my certainly is — hostages and americans, how my certainly is holding a number of hostages who are dual citizens, who are american, but their— citizens, who are american, but their palestinian americans right— their palestinian americans right now maybe as many as 600 that are — right now maybe as many as 600 that are unable to leave because of the aerial bombardment by israel. | because of the aerial bombardment by israel. i think that is the _ bombardment by israel. i think that is the point _ bombardment by israel. i think that is the point that _ bombardment by israel. i think that is the point that you - bombardment by israel. i think that is the point that you are i that is the point that you are making, wasn't it, in terms of the hostages being one particular case, but there are american palestinians and 2.3 million palestinians who are looking for help looking for aid, looking for a way out. and efforts to get anyone out to have failed thus far, and even getting aid and has been a trickle compared to what would usually cross the border at the roth crossing.— usually cross the border at the roth crossing. absolutely, and 'ust roth crossing. absolutely, and just regarding _ roth crossing. absolutely, and just regarding what _ roth crossing. absolutely, and just regarding what may - roth crossing. absolutely, and| just regarding what may happen next is — just regarding what may happen next is the possibility of an escalation and a regional war. -- rafah— escalation and a regional war. —— rafah crossing. | escalation and a regional war. -- rafah crossing.— -- rafah crossing. i think far, ou -- rafah crossing. i think far, you know. _ -- rafah crossing. i think far, you know, hezbollah - -- rafah crossing. i think far, you know, hezbollah and - you know, hezbollah and lebanon, they obviously do not want _ lebanon, they obviously do not want to— lebanon, they obviously do not want to get involved if it looks _ want to get involved if it looks like this is going to lead _ looks like this is going to lead to— looks like this is going to lead to the illumination of class _ lead to the illumination of class and essentially israel being _ class and essentially israel being able to focus solely on hezbollah. this may be viewed as an _ hezbollah. this may be viewed as an existential fight for hezbollah that they have no choice — hezbollah that they have no choice but to enter.- hezbollah that they have no choice but to enter. from your time in the — choice but to enter. from your time in the state _ choice but to enter. from your time in the state department, j time in the state department, how fraud, i suppose, are things going to be tonight in the administration with officials in the state department in terms of where we stand and how potentially risky this situation is right now. well, first of our committee when — well, first of our committee when dealing with this crisis basically has a sleeping bag at the state department. they are not going — the state department. they are not going anywhere. same thing in the _ not going anywhere. same thing in the white house and any relevant _ in the white house and any relevant agency, everyone would be called — relevant agency, everyone would be called in to monitor what is happening whether regarding the american who is stuck there but also _ american who is stuck there but also the — american who is stuck there but also the broader political and military— also the broader political and military security situation. i could — military security situation. i could only imagine that the administration from the national security council and the senior adviser, the president himself are obviously on the — president himself are obviously on the phone making all kinds of calls— on the phone making all kinds of calls about the israelis to palestinian authority regional partners. i would palestinian authority regional partners. iwould imagine palestinian authority regional partners. i would imagine they would — partners. i would imagine they would be — partners. i would imagine they would be advising the escalation, finding and offering for the current crisis as with — offering for the current crisis as with some basic fundamental questions — as with some basic fundamental questions of netanyahu, how does — questions of netanyahu, how does this and? and how long do you foresee the ground operation and obviously the aerial— operation and obviously the aerial campaign continuing, raising _ aerial campaign continuing, raising all kind of scenarios that— raising all kind of scenarios that everyone would like to avoid _ that everyone would like to avoid. look, idon't that everyone would like to avoid. look, i don't think they have _ avoid. look, idon't think they have all— avoid. look, i don't think they have all the answers, but i think— have all the answers, but i think we _ have all the answers, but i think we can get there by asking _ think we can get there by asking those basic questions. what — asking those basic questions. what does your view on that? spot on. you know, we began from this heinous attack and went immediately to political officials talking about vengeance. as soon you have a word that is full of emotion and not the policy, then there are going to be decisions that may well prove likely to prove unwise. a decision was made early on that thousands, perhaps 10,000 civilians were perhaps 10 , 000 civilians were worth perhaps 10,000 civilians were worth best efforts to eradicate thomas and no one can argue with that desire for a government, have said repeatedly, reminded us all that the first responsibility of the state is to protect its people. the israeli government failed to do that and has to regain the trust of its own people. but back cost, and this heat still of battle and vengeance and revenge where we have set aside shared humanity, the horribleness of what happened to israel is now the horribleness of what is happening to palestinians and they shared humanity is going to come to light sooner rather than later, and when we look at this, many questions will be asked about whether ants could possibly have been worth it even as it was thought at the beginning because eradicating hamas militarily is one thing, but politically, ideologically and is certainly another and all of those civilians were under bombardment right now may well become that next generation, and that has to be taken into account as well. both people deserve to get out of this cycle of vengeance, of revenge, of violence with each other, and it will take courage by the leaders on both sides to do so. . . do so. ok, stay with us we will ick u- do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those _ do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those points _ do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those points in - do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those points in just - do so. ok, stay with us we will pick up those points in just a i pick up those points in just a moment. but for now, i went to go live to a reporter in israel, joining us live from tel aviv. thank you forjoining us. can you tell us a little bit about how things are where you are right now, what is happening at the moment? 50. happening at the moment? so, telaviv, i— happening at the moment? so, telaviv, i think, _ happening at the moment? in, telaviv, ithink, for happening at the moment? 557, telaviv, ithink, forthe happening at the moment? 5&3, tel aviv, i think, for the last four hours it is quiet, no sirens, no recent rocket or missile launching from gaza. there is a massive artillery and air force bombardment which according to unofficial is probably the hardest and most aggressive and extensive ever launched on the gaza strip in history, and there were quite a feel heavy bombardments. this is considered to be the heaviest. including that are the idea spokesperson is speaking of enlarging —— the idf spokesperson is talking about the ground offensive and the reports that we are getting from gaza our convoy is of invading the northern strip. this night, they were on the those small incursions into gaza for supper —— special operations. of course, if someone expected a massive multidirectional multi—vector s attack, this is not happening, but we see, of course, tomorrow, later, what is the face of this is really ground offensive. i5 face of this is really ground offensive-— face of this is really ground offensive. , ., , , offensive. is there a support to bear amongst _ offensive. is there a support to bear amongst israelis - offensive. is there a supportj to bear amongst israelis and tel aviv and throughout the country for this escalation? this is just my feeling from sticking with people, the polls are changing, and i think as we go furtherfrom that go further from that devastating day of october seven, the blood still boils for people they also understand the price that israel and the palestinians will pay for the ground invasion. however, and i heard went to your previous interviewer said about the motive being revenge, retaliation, i have no doubt estimating the portion of revenge, the motives that led the israeli government to decide on the ground invasion committee think this is strongly supported by the population and, the people of israel, and also among the reservists, they recruited 360,000 reservists, the biggest recruitment of reservists in its history and spending most of the time since the hamas attack in the front and meeting hundreds and maybe thousands of reservists that can say they are very determined, and it does notjust about does not just about retaliation, does notjust about retaliation, notjust about retaliation, not just about revenge, retaliation, notjust about revenge, but also i'm not saying if it is right or wrong, the mindset of israeli leaders, it is notjust benjamin netanyahu, i think he was the most has a tends to strike the offensive, but the most enthusiastic. my —— the mindset is if israel after holocaust isis type but share and massacre what not react in a way that would be signalled that no one could hurt israelis orjews without paying the price, then it is notjust about revenge, it's notjust about revenge, it's notjust about the past. israelis believe it is about the future, that if this is not dealt with in the most forceful way, the next will be out there is really see this country with no retribution and trying to do the same. this is remaining the colour of, i believe, the israeli motivation.- colour of, i believe, the israeli motivation. ok, of the new york _ israeli motivation. ok, of the new york times _ israeli motivation. ok, of the new york times in _ israeli motivation. ok, of the new york times in tel - israeli motivation. ok, of the new york times in tel aviv, l new york times in tel aviv, thank you very much for those insights. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's bring you some live pictures from gaza city at this hour. we can take a look at the sky line over gaza they are. a reminder that huge explosions have been seen in northern gaza as israel carries out its most intense air strikes in the past three weeks. the israeli army spokesperson said the military was expanding its ground operations in gaza. mobile phone services and the internet there are currently out of operation. hamas's armed wing says it has engaged in fighting with israeli forces in gaza and have called on the world to act immediately to stop the air strikes. the israeli army spokesperson also repeated a call for palestinians in gaza city to move south. you can see there a flash as we watch those pictures of the sky over gaza city. israel has been bombing gaza since the 7th of october. attacks that killed 1&00 people and saw 229 people kidnapped as hostages. the hamas run health ministry in gaza said 7000 people have been killed since israel's retaliatory bombing began. you are live with bbc news. i am joined began. you are live with bbc news. iamjoined here began. you are live with bbc news. i am joined here in studio with the panel here to talk to us. if i could just come back to you on a point there that run and burden of there that run and burden of the new york times mentioned a moment ago that what israel is doing is largely a show of strength that as he put it, if you attack israel and israelis, that there will be retribution. what do you make of that? i heard that jane kept thinking about every time israel has tried to do that whether that show of strength has created a deterrence are produced more death and pushed both parties away from an eventual political solution. there's been a number of gaza conflicts where israel has only retaliated the way it does. there's been a number of wars in lebanon, and all we get are more civilians killed on both sides and the prospect of whether a two state solution are a unified state for both people that keeps them equally ijust people that keeps them equally i just don't think it works. there is clearly no military solution to this conflict. 0nly solution to this conflict. only a political one.— a political one. there is a lona a political one. there is a long history _ a political one. there is a long history of _ a political one. there is a long history of this - a political one. there is a l long history of this conflict as well— long history of this conflict as well points out the israeli response to attacks from palestinians inevitably leading to a significantly larger number of palestinian deaths than — number of palestinian deaths than israelis. sometimes it is three — than israelis. sometimes it is three to — than israelis. sometimes it is three to one, sometimes it is ten to— three to one, sometimes it is ten to one. _ three to one, sometimes it is ten to one, in this case, it is going — ten to one, in this case, it is going to _ ten to one, in this case, it is going to be _ ten to one, in this case, it is going to be ten to one may be more — going to be ten to one may be more. that is how israel responds with a show of strength. at the facts are exactly _ strength. at the facts are exactly as stated, this cycle continues. the united states has long _ continues. the united states has long said there is not a military— has long said there is not a military solution to this, it must _ military solution to this, it must be _ military solution to this, it must be political process. we, i must be political process. we, i would — must be political process. we, i would say, took our eye off the ball— i would say, took our eye off the ball that we believe that the ball that we believe that the israeli government had it in hand. _ the israeli government had it in hand, the prime minister's mowing — in hand, the prime minister's mowing the lawn from time to time _ mowing the lawn from time to time was _ mowing the lawn from time to time was working and keeping people — time was working and keeping people create a sense, but history— people create a sense, but history has shown repeatedly that people will rise up. between a terrorist organisation in the palestinian people — organisation in the palestinian people. having been in contact with palestinian friends and israeli — with palestinian friends and israeli friends over the last three — israeli friends over the last three weeks, we can't lose sight — three weeks, we can't lose sight of— three weeks, we can't lose sight of that difference and it is to— sight of that difference and it is to clear that we are repeatedly losing sight of bad weather and statements from members of our government in the united states, we have to make — the united states, we have to make sure it is clear that we can— make sure it is clear that we can stand _ make sure it is clear that we can stand with israel, we can support— can stand with israel, we can support israel without demonising and ignoring the humanity of palestinians. you've _ humanity of palestinians. you've got to walk and chew gum here _ you've got to walk and chew gum here we — you've got to walk and chew gum here. we cannotjust say no matter— here. we cannotjust say no matter what we are here. that is not — matter what we are here. that is not leadership and the president has modified some of his statements to make that clear. — his statements to make that clear. to _ his statements to make that clear, to caution the israelis, to wam— clear, to caution the israelis, to warn them and remind them of the errors— to warn them and remind them of the errors that we need ourselves in the heat of the moment— ourselves in the heat of the moment after 9/11. it is our responsibility as a true friend to israel. _ responsibility as a true friend to israel, to work hard to ensure _ to israel, to work hard to ensure that they do not do the same — ensure that they do not do the same, clearly we have not yet been — same, clearly we have not yet been successful. as same, clearly we have not yet been successful.— been successful. as jean has been successful. as jean has been staying _ been successful. as jean has been staying there, - been successful. as jean has been staying there, the - been successful. as jean has | been staying there, the biden administration does support a partisan israel's military operations to enable aid to get in. at the white house this afternoon, john kirby, the spokesperson for the national security council told reporters that temporary specific positives on the battlefield was an idea worth exploring. we can go live now to barbara plante usher, our state pla nte usher, our state department plante usher, our state department correspondent. barbara, if we just look at everything we have been hearing today, does it seem to you that this is, as we have been discussing, the beginning of this big ground incursion that israel has been threatening for some time because they'll it's difficult to say exactly where it fits in with the israeli military plan and how it wants to organise its incursions, but it is a bigger incursion, they said, than it has been so far and definitely come as a guest have been saying, this is the most severe air strikes we have seen so far, so there has been an escalation in the military operation. you are mentioning there that the white house has been talking about humanitarian process, that was the white house spokesperson talking about that sort of thing, about the need to get aid and, more aid than it had been coming in already, the need to get fuel and, the need to get palestinians at us citizenship out of gaza, something they have been working on very hard, they need to negotiate the release of the hostages. he stressed all of these things quite significantly alongside the administration because my consistent support for israel. again he was asked if he thought that this was the main israeli military incursion and he would not speak to it. he said he would not speak to israeli military operations. he did say that the americans supported israel's right to defend itself as they always have that it would support israel with munitions and security assistance and advice and so on, but that it would be “p and so on, but that it would be up to israel to determine how it executed its operations and he made very clear that the americans have been raising concerns with israel about the things that he was talking of, the humanitarian situation and so on how they proceeded. he said they were asking tough questions, what is your strategy? what is your goal? what is your name? where will this and? how you conduct the operation? and so that is clearly very much on the american mind. we can see that in the last couple of weeks that it was becoming more and more of an issue for them as they were speaking more to their area partners as they began to worry about escalation in the region has the humanitarian situation in gaza got worse and worse, they still support got worse and worse, they still su . .o i , ., �* , got worse and worse, they still sumo. ,., �*, got worse and worse, they still suo... �*, ., got worse and worse, they still suo-nl i, ., ., support israel's pain for a round support israel's pain for a ground invasion - support israel's pain for a ground invasion because l support israel's pain for a - ground invasion because they want israel, or they believe that israel should deal a forceful blow against hamas, but the consequences of that kind of operation and how it is conducted, there is a lot of consequences bearing on that, and they are speaking about that more and more. he saw that and howjohn kirby handled those questions today about israel's military campaign. barbara, and how the operation itself will be conducted, have we had any indications from the statements that have come out from israel from the idf today to suggest how it will look? we haven't had any operational details come out. we had them saying there stepping up their air strikes and that they are expanding the ground incursions. we know generally that what they want to do is

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