welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories and checking out the truth behind them. the british prime minister, rishi sunak, has in the last hour arrived in saudi arabia as part of a two—day tour of the middle east. his visit there comes after a stop injerusalem, where he told his israeli counterpart that the uk stands with the country in what both men described as israel's "darkest hour". in what both men described but in what both men described he stressed the need f international but he stressed the need for international aid into gaza. let's get more on that now from our chief international correspondent lyse doucet, who's in southern israel. welcome to the programme, day 13 of the israel — gaza war and there is growing concern over what the united nations describes as a humanitarian catastrophe in gaza. the united nations and other charities are warning that in gaza more than too many people need far more than a 20 trucks of aid which seemed to have been agreed by presidentjoe biden in his discussions with israel in egypt while he was in the region. the un's humanitarian chief has said that the people of gaza need at least 100 lorries a day. many of us trucks have been piled up on the egyptian side of that crossing in coming days. joe biden had said that crossing could open it as soon as tomorrow. more than 100 aid agencies have called for an urgent cease—fire to allow aid to be if in safety. aside from the humanitarian crisis, the death toll continues to rise. aid agencies say that more than 3800 people have been killed so far in retaliatory air strikes from israel. today, the city of khan younis was hit and desperate scenes show aid workers running to the hospital to help those who are hit. children are said to be among the casualties. as a military campaign intensifies and the unitarian crisis deepens, diplomacy is intensifying, too, with the british prime minister, who began the day here in israel, now in saudi arabia. thejordanian king and the egyptian president are also meeting today. both arab states, both of whom have signed peace treaties with israel many years ago, have in the past plate mediating roles in any conflicts here. let's take a look at all the latest developments with this report. 0ur correspondent wyre davies reports on the latest diplomatic push to get aid into gaza. hot on the heels of yesterday's visit byjoe biden, a uk military flight today brought rishi sunak to tel aviv. the prime minister here to meet israeli leaders and british—israeli victims. compared to its relationship with the united states, the british relationship with israel is less important but these moments are important. i’m important but these moments are imortant. �* , ., ., , . important. i'm proud to stand here in israel's darkest _ important. i'm proud to stand here in israel's darkest hour _ important. i'm proud to stand here in israel's darkest hour as - important. i'm proud to stand here in israel's darkest hour as your - in israel's darkest hour as your friend and we will stand with your people. it friend and we will stand with your --eole. , ., . , ., friend and we will stand with your --eole. , ., . i. people. it is not really our battle but the battle _ people. it is not really our battle but the battle of _ people. it is not really our battle but the battle of the _ people. it is not really our battle but the battle of the entire - but the battle of the entire civilised world. it is the battle of israel_ civilised world. it is the battle of israel and — civilised world. it is the battle of israel and the battle of the modern arab countries and the battle of western — arab countries and the battle of western civilisation, the battle of the free _ western civilisation, the battle of the free world, the battle for the future _ the prime minister's visit here is to show the strength of israel but they are also calling for restraint. what happens next is unknowable. israel's military build—up on the border with gaza continues. when they go when as yet perhaps to be decided. those who have seen this before say this time will be different. the two previous ground - campaigns in 2014 and 2009 both lasted about 18 _ days and then the israeli forces on the ground left. i this time it is going to be a lot. longer and nobody is going to say whether it is weeks, - months, perhaps even years, until israel has reached that. objective of eradicating hamas leadership and military capabilities in gaza. i so that is really the i main difference now. for now, israel continues to hit targets inside gaza from the air, confirming it had hit hundreds of hamas infrastructure sites. but say palestinian officials there've also been many civilian casualties, many of them children. the humanitarian situation in gaza is dire. and like president biden before him, rishi sunak impressed on israeli leaders the importance of allowing limited aid into gaza with the border with egypt, something israel has agreed to and which should begin by the end of the week. israel says it cannot allow its friends or the wider world to forget what happened on october the 7th when 1&00 people were murdered. 0n the day of rishi sunak�*s visit, a british—israeli was the latest to be identified. murdered in the kibbutz be'eri, a lifelong man united fan leaves behind two young children. wyre davies, bbc news, jerusalem. wyre on the anger and rage here in israel and the gaza strip after those attacks and now leaders here to discuss with israel is right to defend itself in this hour. but there is concern about the military and crisis in the gaza strip. the world health organization has urged israel to also allow fuel into the gaza strip. so far, the ingredient which was brokered by president biden, only includes food, medicine and water. the director—general of the who says it has five trucks of medical supplies ready at the border between gaza and egypt. we welcome israel's announcement yesterday that it will not block the entry of water, food and medicines into gaza from egypt. fuel is also needed for hospital generators, ambulances and desalination plants, and we urge israel to add fuel to the life—saving supplies allowed to enter gaza. 0ur trucks are loaded and ready to go. we are working with egypt and palestine red crescent societies to deliver our supplies into gaza as soon the rafah crossing is open. hopefully tomorrow. the director general of the world health organization. let'sjoin the director general of the world health organization. let's join tom bateman here. today was rishi sunak, before that was joe bateman here. today was rishi sunak, before that wasjoe biden and before that was the german chancellor. how is this going on in israel when western leaders are coming at a sugar support for israel and what rishi sunak described it as their darkest hour?— rishi sunak described it as their darkest hour? , . ., darkest hour? first and foremost it is that message _ darkest hour? first and foremost it is that message of _ darkest hour? first and foremost it is that message of solidarity that l is that message of solidarity that is that message of solidarity that is being — is that message of solidarity that is being absorbed _ is that message of solidarity that is being absorbed by— is that message of solidarity that is being absorbed by israelis- is that message of solidarity that is being absorbed by israelis at l is being absorbed by israelis at seeing — is being absorbed by israelis at seeing the _ is being absorbed by israelis at seeing the western _ is being absorbed by israelis at seeing the western leaders - is being absorbed by israelis at - seeing the western leaders making their way— seeing the western leaders making their way with — seeing the western leaders making their way with such _ seeing the western leaders making their way with such speed - seeing the western leaders making their way with such speed into - seeing the western leaders making their way with such speed into a - their way with such speed into a crisis _ their way with such speed into a crisis situation _ their way with such speed into a crisis situation in _ their way with such speed into a crisis situation in israel- crisis situation in israel is unprecedented _ crisis situation in israel is unprecedented so - crisis situation in israel is unprecedented so that i crisis situation in israel is - unprecedented so that message is certainly— unprecedented so that message is certainly being _ unprecedented so that message is certainly being noted. _ unprecedented so that message is certainly being noted. and - unprecedented so that message is certainly being noted. and i- unprecedented so that message is certainly being noted. and i thinkl certainly being noted. and i think particularly — certainly being noted. and i think particularly after— certainly being noted. and i think particularly after mr— certainly being noted. and i think particularly after mr biden - certainly being noted. and i think particularly after mr biden made i particularly after mr biden made this very— particularly after mr biden made this very personal— particularly after mr biden made this very personal connection . particularly after mr biden made this very personal connection inl this very personal connection in this very personal connection in this very— this very personal connection in this very well _ this very personal connection in this very well constructed - this very personal connection in i this very well constructed speech. the majority— this very well constructed speech. the majority was _ this very well constructed speech. the majority was around - this very well constructed speech. the majority was around his - this very well constructed speech. the majority was around his whatl this very well constructed speech. . the majority was around his what he said desire _ the majority was around his what he said desire to— the majority was around his what he said desire to stand _ the majority was around his what he said desire to stand with— the majority was around his what he said desire to stand with israel- the majority was around his what he said desire to stand with israel and i said desire to stand with israel and to show— said desire to stand with israel and to show solidarity. _ said desire to stand with israel and to show solidarity. i _ said desire to stand with israel and to show solidarity. i think- said desire to stand with israel and to show solidarity. i think for- to show solidarity. i think for israeiis — to show solidarity. i think for israelis has _ to show solidarity. i think for israelis has been _ to show solidarity. i think for israelis has been a _ to show solidarity. i think for israelis has been a very- to show solidarity. i think for- israelis has been a very important message — israelis has been a very important message as — israelis has been a very important message as this _ israelis has been a very important message as this crisis _ israelis has been a very important message as this crisis continues l israelis has been a very important. message as this crisis continues and deepens— message as this crisis continues and deepens and — message as this crisis continues and deepens and particularly— message as this crisis continues and deepens and particularly with - message as this crisis continues and deepens and particularly with the i deepens and particularly with the issue _ deepens and particularly with the issue of— deepens and particularly with the issue of hostages _ deepens and particularly with the issue of hostages still— deepens and particularly with the issue of hostages still being - issue of hostages still being unresolved. _ issue of hostages still being unresolved. but— issue of hostages still being unresolved. but i— issue of hostages still being unresolved. but i think- issue of hostages still being l unresolved. but i think what's interesting _ unresolved. but i think what's interesting is _ unresolved. but i think what's interesting is we _ unresolved. but i think what's interesting is we saw - unresolved. but i think what's interesting is we saw a - unresolved. but i think what's| interesting is we saw a change unresolved. but i think what's i interesting is we saw a change in the tone — interesting is we saw a change in the tone of— interesting is we saw a change in the tone of what _ interesting is we saw a change in the tone of what western - interesting is we saw a change inj the tone of what western powers interesting is we saw a change in - the tone of what western powers were saying _ the tone of what western powers were saying after— the tone of what western powers were saying after antony _ the tone of what western powers were saying after antony blinken, _ the tone of what western powers were saying after antony blinken, the - the tone of what western powers were saying after antony blinken, the us i saying after antony blinken, the us secretary of — saying after antony blinken, the us secretary of state, _ saying after antony blinken, the us secretary of state, made _ saying after antony blinken, the us secretary of state, made this - saying after antony blinken, the us secretary of state, made this rapid | secretary of state, made this rapid tour of— secretary of state, made this rapid tour of eight — secretary of state, made this rapid tour of eight arab _ secretary of state, made this rapid tour of eight arab capitals - secretary of state, made this rapid tour of eight arab capitals at - secretary of state, made this rapid tour of eight arab capitals at the i tour of eight arab capitals at the end of— tour of eight arab capitals at the end of last — tour of eight arab capitals at the end of last week. _ tour of eight arab capitals at the end of last week. that's - tour of eight arab capitals at the end of last week. that's when i end of last week. that's when we heard _ end of last week. that's when we heard much— end of last week. that's when we heard much more _ end of last week. that's when we heard much more about - end of last week. that's when we heard much more about the - end of last week. that's when we - heard much more about the message about— heard much more about the message about two— heard much more about the message about two things _ heard much more about the message about two things. firstly, _ heard much more about the message about two things. firstly, about the l about two things. firstly, about the need _ about two things. firstly, about the need to— about two things. firstly, about the need to get— about two things. firstly, about the need to get humanitarian _ about two things. firstly, about the need to get humanitarian aid - need to get humanitarian aid desperately— need to get humanitarian aid desperately needed - need to get humanitarian aid desperately needed into - need to get humanitarian aid| desperately needed into gaza need to get humanitarian aid - desperately needed into gaza through the rafah— desperately needed into gaza through the rafah crossing. _ desperately needed into gaza through the rafah crossing. it _ desperately needed into gaza through the rafah crossing. it also _ desperately needed into gaza through the rafah crossing. it also more - the rafah crossing. it also more restraint — the rafah crossing. it also more restraint being _ the rafah crossing. it also more restraint being demanded - the rafah crossing. it also more restraint being demanded by. the rafah crossing. it also more i restraint being demanded by israel on these _ restraint being demanded by israel on these countries _ restraint being demanded by israel on these countries and _ restraint being demanded by israel on these countries and we - restraint being demanded by israel on these countries and we heard i on these countries and we heard rishi _ on these countries and we heard rishi sunak— on these countries and we heard rishi sunak emphasise - on these countries and we heard rishi sunak emphasise that - on these countries and we heardl rishi sunak emphasise that again today— rishi sunak emphasise that again today taiking _ rishi sunak emphasise that again today talking about _ rishi sunak emphasise that again today talking about israel- rishi sunak emphasise that again| today talking about israel needing today talking about israel needing to act— today talking about israel needing to act within — today talking about israel needing to act within the _ today talking about israel needing to act within the laws _ today talking about israel needing to act within the laws of _ today talking about israel needing to act within the laws of war, - today talking about israel needing to act within the laws of war, withj to act within the laws of war, with an international— to act within the laws of war, with an international humanitarian - to act within the laws of war, with| an international humanitarian law. and that's — an international humanitarian law. and that's important, _ an international humanitarian law. and that's important, and - an international humanitarian law. and that's important, and i- an international humanitarian law. and that's important, and i think. and that's important, and i think the reason — and that's important, and i think the reason this _ and that's important, and i think the reason this is _ and that's important, and i think the reason this is happening - and that's important, and i think the reason this is happening is. and that's important, and i think. the reason this is happening is this is part— the reason this is happening is this is part of— the reason this is happening is this is part of the — the reason this is happening is this is part of the attempt _ the reason this is happening is this is part of the attempt to _ the reason this is happening is this is part of the attempt to prevent a| is part of the attempt to prevent a regional— is part of the attempt to prevent a regional escalation _ is part of the attempt to prevent a regional escalation will _ is part of the attempt to prevent a regional escalation will stop - regional escalation will stop because _ regional escalation will stop because what's— regional escalation will stop because what's happening l regional escalation will stopl because what's happening in regional escalation will stop - because what's happening in the arab world is— because what's happening in the arab world is people — because what's happening in the arab world is people see _ because what's happening in the arab world is people see increasingly- world is people see increasingly these _ world is people see increasingly these pictures— world is people see increasingly these pictures of— world is people see increasingly these pictures of the _ world is people see increasingly these pictures of the desperate| these pictures of the desperate situation — these pictures of the desperate situation among _ these pictures of the desperate situation among ordinary - situation among ordinary palestinians— situation among ordinary palestinians in— situation among ordinary palestinians in gaza, - situation among ordinary| palestinians in gaza, that situation among ordinary - palestinians in gaza, that surging civiiian— palestinians in gaza, that surging civilian death _ palestinians in gaza, that surging civilian death toll— palestinians in gaza, that surging civilian death toll in _ palestinians in gaza, that surging civilian death toll in gaza. - palestinians in gaza, that surging civilian death toll in gaza. it - palestinians in gaza, that surging civilian death toll in gaza. it is . civilian death toll in gaza. it is raising — civilian death toll in gaza. it is raising the _ civilian death toll in gaza. it is raising the temperature. - civilian death toll in gaza. it is raising the temperature. we l civilian death toll in gaza. it is . raising the temperature. we are seeing _ raising the temperature. we are seeing a — raising the temperature. we are seeing a crisis _ raising the temperature. we are seeing a crisis now— raising the temperature. we are seeing a crisis now in— raising the temperature. we are seeing a crisis now in the - raising the temperature. we are . seeing a crisis now in the occupied west— seeing a crisis now in the occupied west bank— seeing a crisis now in the occupied west bank with _ seeing a crisis now in the occupied west bank with fertility— seeing a crisis now in the occupied west bank with fertility rates - seeing a crisis now in the occupied west bank with fertility rates that| west bank with fertility rates that we've _ west bank with fertility rates that we've not— west bank with fertility rates that we've not seen— west bank with fertility rates that we've not seen since _ west bank with fertility rates that we've not seen since the - west bank with fertility rates that we've not seen since the second i we've not seen since the second intifada — we've not seen since the second intifada we _ we've not seen since the second intifada. we saw— we've not seen since the second intifada. we saw people - we've not seen since the second intifada. we saw people being . we've not seen since the second - intifada. we saw people being called to march _ intifada. we saw people being called to march on — intifada. we saw people being called to march on the _ intifada. we saw people being called to march on the israeli _ intifada. we saw people being called to march on the israeli embassy in l to march on the israeli embassy in oman _ to march on the israeli embassy in oman in _ to march on the israeli embassy in oman injordan_ to march on the israeli embassy in oman in jordan two _ to march on the israeli embassy in oman injordan two nights ago. i to march on the israeli embassy in i 0man injordan two nights ago. this is very— 0man injordan two nights ago. this is very concerning _ 0man injordan two nights ago. this is very concerning and _ 0man injordan two nights ago. this is very concerning and it's _ 0man injordan two nights ago. this is very concerning and it's worrying. is very concerning and it's worrying these _ is very concerning and it's worrying these powers— is very concerning and it's worrying these powers and _ is very concerning and it's worrying these powers and that's _ is very concerning and it's worrying these powers and that's why- is very concerning and it's worrying these powers and that's why i- is very concerning and it's worrying| these powers and that's why i think we are _ these powers and that's why i think we are seeing— these powers and that's why i think we are seeing rishi _ these powers and that's why i think we are seeing rishi sunak- these powers and that's why i think we are seeing rishi sunak and - we are seeing rishi sunak and president _ we are seeing rishi sunak and president biden— we are seeing rishi sunak and president biden yesterday- we are seeing rishi sunak and . president biden yesterday talking about— president biden yesterday talking about what— president biden yesterday talking about what they _ president biden yesterday talking about what they are _ president biden yesterday talking about what they are trying - president biden yesterday talking about what they are trying to - president biden yesterday talking about what they are trying to do i president biden yesterday talking i about what they are trying to do to alleviate _ about what they are trying to do to alleviate the — about what they are trying to do to alleviate the situation _ about what they are trying to do to alleviate the situation in _ about what they are trying to do to alleviate the situation in gaza - about what they are trying to do to alleviate the situation in gaza andl alleviate the situation in gaza and to some _ alleviate the situation in gaza and to some extent _ alleviate the situation in gaza and to some extent try _ alleviate the situation in gaza and to some extent try to _ alleviate the situation in gaza and to some extent try to restrain - alleviate the situation in gaza and to some extent try to restrain thej to some extent try to restrain the operations— to some extent try to restrain the operations of— to some extent try to restrain the operations of israel. _ to some extent try to restrain the operations of israel. in _ to some extent try to restrain the operations of israel.— operations of israel. in that statement _ operations of israel. in that statement issued _ operations of israel. in that statement issued by - operations of israel. in that statement issued by the . operations of israel. in that. statement issued by the israeli prime minister's office, they made it clear that no aid would go from israel into gaza not while hamas is holding more than 200 hostages, but then an agreement with egypt that they would allow aid to start coming from the rafah from egypt. it is a concern that that first convoy which could start tomorrow may end up being just a symbolic gesture, that after those 20 trucks there may not be what the egyptians spoken of of a sustained passage of differently needed aid? {iii sustained passage of differently needed aid?— sustained passage of differently needed aid? , . �*, , needed aid? of course that's very ossible, needed aid? of course that's very possible. and _ needed aid? of course that's very possible, and this _ needed aid? of course that's very possible, and this is _ needed aid? of course that's very possible, and this is such - needed aid? of course that's very possible, and this is such a - possible, and this is such a volatile _ possible, and this is such a volatile situation. - possible, and this is such a volatile situation. we - possible, and this is such a volatile situation. we werej volatile situation. we were expecting _ volatile situation. we were expecting on _ volatile situation. we were expecting on monday- volatile situation. we were expecting on monday of. volatile situation. we were. expecting on monday of this volatile situation. we were - expecting on monday of this week that there — expecting on monday of this week that there would _ expecting on monday of this week that there would be _ expecting on monday of this week that there would be a _ expecting on monday of this week. that there would be a humanitarian truce~ _ that there would be a humanitarian truce~ it— that there would be a humanitarian truce~ it was— that there would be a humanitarian truce. it was being _ that there would be a humanitarian truce. it was being talked - that there would be a humanitarian truce. it was being talked about. that there would be a humanitarian truce. it was being talked about to| truce. it was being talked about to let aid _ truce. it was being talked about to let aid in— truce. it was being talked about to let aid in and— truce. it was being talked about to let aid in and it _ truce. it was being talked about to let aid in and it never— truce. it was being talked about to let aid in and it never happened. l let aid in and it never happened. that— let aid in and it never happened. that crossing _ let aid in and it never happened. that crossing has _ let aid in and it never happened. that crossing has not _ let aid in and it never happened. that crossing has not opened - let aid in and it never happened. . that crossing has not opened since the hostilities _ that crossing has not opened since the hostilities began. _ that crossing has not opened since the hostilities began. the - that crossing has not opened since the hostilities began. the situation is extremely — the hostilities began. the situation is extremely volatile. _ the hostilities began. the situation is extremely volatile. israel- the hostilities began. the situation is extremely volatile. israel had i the hostilities began. the situation is extremely volatile. israel had iti is extremely volatile. israel had it several— is extremely volatile. israel had it several times— is extremely volatile. israel had it several times bob _ is extremely volatile. israel had it several times bob the _ is extremely volatile. israel had it several times bob the area - is extremely volatile. israel had it| several times bob the area around the rafah— several times bob the area around the rafah and _ several times bob the area around the rafah and that _ several times bob the area around the rafah and that had _ several times bob the area around the rafah and that had made - several times bob the area around i the rafah and that had made some of the rafah and that had made some of the roads— the rafah and that had made some of the roads impossible _ the rafah and that had made some of the roads impossible to _ the rafah and that had made some of the roads impossible to pass. - the roads impossible to pass. that is why— the roads impossible to pass. that is why the — the roads impossible to pass. that is why the egyptians _ the roads impossible to pass. that is why the egyptians are _ the roads impossible to pass. that is why the egyptians are saying - the roads impossible to pass. that. is why the egyptians are saying what they are _ is why the egyptians are saying what they are trying — is why the egyptians are saying what they are trying to _ is why the egyptians are saying what they are trying to do _ is why the egyptians are saying what they are trying to do as _ is why the egyptians are saying what they are trying to do as quickly - is why the egyptians are saying what they are trying to do as quickly as i they are trying to do as quickly as they are trying to do as quickly as they can — they are trying to do as quickly as they can is — they are trying to do as quickly as they can is repair— they are trying to do as quickly as they can is repair the _ they are trying to do as quickly as they can is repair the roads - they are trying to do as quickly as they can is repair the roads so - they can is repair the roads so that those _ they can is repair the roads so that those trucks — they can is repair the roads so that those trucks can _ they can is repair the roads so that those trucks can go _ they can is repair the roads so that those trucks can go in. _ they can is repair the roads so that those trucks can go in. of- those trucks can go in. of course there _ those trucks can go in. of course there is— those trucks can go in. of course there is no— those trucks can go in. of course there is no guarantees— those trucks can go in. of course there is no guarantees and - those trucks can go in. of course there is no guarantees and the l there is no guarantees and the israeiis — there is no guarantees and the israelis have _ there is no guarantees and the israelis have already _ there is no guarantees and the israelis have already said - israelis have already said previously— israelis have already said previously to— israelis have already said previously to this - israelis have already said previously to this that. israelis have already said i previously to this that there israelis have already said - previously to this that there should be more _ previously to this that there should be more searches— previously to this that there should be more searches of— previously to this that there should be more searches of vehicles - previously to this that there should i be more searches of vehicles to make sure there's _ be more searches of vehicles to make sure there's nothing _ be more searches of vehicles to make sure there's nothing that _ be more searches of vehicles to make sure there's nothing that could be - sure there's nothing that could be used _ sure there's nothing that could be used to— sure there's nothing that could be used to hamas _ sure there's nothing that could be used to hamas smuggled - sure there's nothing that could be used to hamas smuggled inside. i sure there's nothing that could be - used to hamas smuggled inside. they felt about— used to hamas smuggled inside. they felt about the — used to hamas smuggled inside. they felt about the need _ used to hamas smuggled inside. they felt about the need for— used to hamas smuggled inside. they felt about the need for supplies - used to hamas smuggled inside. they felt about the need for supplies to - felt about the need for supplies to be limited. — felt about the need for supplies to be limited, and _ felt about the need for supplies to be limited, and so _ felt about the need for supplies to be limited, and so it— felt about the need for supplies to be limited, and so it looks - felt about the need for supplies to be limited, and so it looks as- be limited, and so it looks as though— be limited, and so it looks as though the _ be limited, and so it looks as though the supplies - be limited, and so it looks as though the supplies to - be limited, and so it looks as though the supplies to be - be limited, and so it looks as- though the supplies to be limited to food, _ though the supplies to be limited to food, water— though the supplies to be limited to food, water and _ though the supplies to be limited to food, water and medicine _ though the supplies to be limited to food, water and medicine so - food, water and medicine so very importantly— food, water and medicine so very importantly no _ food, water and medicine so very importantly no fuel— food, water and medicine so very importantly no fuel going - food, water and medicine so very importantly no fuel going in. - food, water and medicine so very. importantly no fuel going in. that's critically— importantly no fuel going in. that's critically needed _ importantly no fuel going in. that's critically needed in _ importantly no fuel going in. that's critically needed in gaza _ importantly no fuel going in. that's critically needed in gaza to - importantly no fuel going in. that's critically needed in gaza to allow. critically needed in gaza to allow the water— critically needed in gaza to allow the water supply— critically needed in gaza to allow the water supply to _ critically needed in gaza to allow the water supply to be _ critically needed in gaza to allow. the water supply to be re—pumped into allow— the water supply to be re—pumped into allow water— the water supply to be re—pumped into allow water filters _ the water supply to be re—pumped into allow water filters to - the water supply to be re—pumped into allow water filters to and - the water supply to be re—pumped into allow water filters to and for i into allow water filters to and for hospitals — into allow water filters to and for hospitals distantly _ into allow water filters to and for hospitals distantly need - into allow water filters to and for hospitals distantly need to - into allow water filters to and for hospitals distantly need to keepl hospitals distantly need to keep operating — hospitals distantly need to keep operating to _ hospitals distantly need to keep operating to function _ hospitals distantly need to keep operating to function as - hospitals distantly need to keep operating to function as well. i hospitals distantly need to keepi operating to function as well. we have _ operating to function as well. we have heard — operating to function as well. we have heard about _ operating to function as well. we have heard about everyone - operating to function as well. we have heard about everyone from | operating to function as well. we . have heard about everyone from all the eight _ have heard about everyone from all the eight organisations _ have heard about everyone from all the eight organisations say- have heard about everyone from all the eight organisations say 20 - the eight organisations say 20 trucks — the eight organisations say 20 trucks will_ the eight organisations say 20 trucks will do _ the eight organisations say 20 trucks will do a _ the eight organisations say 20 trucks will do a bit _ the eight organisations say 20 trucks will do a bit to - the eight organisations say 20 trucks will do a bit to help - the eight organisations say 20 trucks will do a bit to help buti the eight organisations say 20 . trucks will do a bit to help but is nowhere — trucks will do a bit to help but is nowhere near— trucks will do a bit to help but is nowhere near what _ trucks will do a bit to help but is nowhere near what they- trucks will do a bit to help but is nowhere near what they need. l trucks will do a bit to help but is . nowhere near what they need. the talking _ nowhere near what they need. the talking about — nowhere near what they need. the talking about at _ nowhere near what they need. the talking about at least _ nowhere near what they need. the talking about at least 100 - nowhere near what they need. the talking about at least 100 trucks . talking about at least 100 trucks per day — talking about at least 100 trucks per day to — talking about at least 100 trucks per day to get _ talking about at least 100 trucks per day to get through - talking about at least 100 trucks per day to get through to - talking about at least 100 trucksi per day to get through to gossett talking about at least 100 trucks - per day to get through to gossett to alleviate _ per day to get through to gossett to alleviate this — per day to get through to gossett to alleviate this desperate _ per day to get through to gossett to alleviate this desperate situation. . alleviate this desperate situation. tom bateman _ alleviate this desperate situation. tom bateman in _ alleviate this desperate situation. tom bateman injerusalem. - alleviate this desperate situation. i tom bateman injerusalem. well, alleviate this desperate situation. - tom bateman injerusalem. well, joe biden had hoped by his face to face up biden had hoped by his face to face up on us to hear he would be able to secure that urgently needed agreement to allow the aide to start coming into the gaza strip. he did provide a rare glimmer of hope, but there has been a huge and growing chorus of voices today among 88 is he saying it simply is not enough. calling notjust forfar he saying it simply is not enough. calling notjust for far more trucks to be allowed and as we heard in this programme, fuel as well. the un says that is one of the most important life—saving supplies of which there is no more left in gaza. and even more than that, the eight agencies and gazans are calling for agencies and gazans are calling for a humanitarian cease—fire. but right now what israel is looking ahead to answer preparing for is what is expected at some time. the date of course is still not known, is that expected ground attack on gaza. then it could be a whole new phase of this war. we will continue to follow all development from here but back to you, though, matthew, in london. thanks very much. from a southern israel. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. the government has published an updated list of 214 schools and colleges in england it says have crumbling concrete. that's a rise of a0 on a previous tally of buildings affected by the raac concrete. welsh water has admitted illegally spilling untreated sewage at dozens of treatment plants for years. the admission was made after the bbc presented the water company with analysis of its own data. in one of the worst affected areas, the company has been spilling untreated sewage into an environmentally protected area near a rare dolphin habitat for at least a decade. people are voting in two by—elections today. they will decide who replaces nadine dorries in mid bedfordshire and chris pincher in tamworth after the resignation of the conservative mps. polling stations opened at 7am and will close at 10pm this evening, with results expected early on friday morning. you're live with bbc news. the israeli military is still preparing for a ground incursion into gaza with tens of thousands of personnel on the territory. we have a former commander of operations in afghanistan and he gave us his assessment of the military options israel could be considering. israeli israel could be considering. israel has two fundamental _ israel could be considering. u»--i has two fundamental challenges and there are many others as well but two predominant ones. one is to deal with hamas inside gaza, and that's being done right now from the air. and at the point when the idf and decided they have degraded hamas as far as they can from the air, i believe it's quite likely they will launch a ground operation in order to eliminate and eradicate the remainder of hamas one way or another. and there are different ways of doing that. the second challenge israel faces is in the north, where iran has won 30,000 missiles operated by their proxy hezbollah. i missiles operated by their proxy hezbollah. ., ,", missiles operated by their proxy hezbollah. ., , . . hezbollah. i mentioned risks. what fi . htin . hezbollah. i mentioned risks. what fighting you — hezbollah. i mentioned risks. what fighting you anticipate? _ hezbollah. i mentioned risks. what fighting you anticipate? inside - fighting you anticipate? inside gaza, it's going _ fighting you anticipate? inside gaza, it's going to _ fighting you anticipate? inside gaza, it's going to be - fighting you anticipate? inside gaza, it's going to be close . gaza, it's going to be close quarters fighting. hamas have, when they carried out the attack to begin to go, they did so knowing that there was going to be an israeli response of this support. so they prepared the ground and on the ground they have booby traps covering large areas, they've got ambush sites, they got minds late, they get people waiting to attack they get people waiting to attack the anti—tank teams and they got the attack tunnels you mention from where they can attack israeli forces were pretty much any direction. it was going to be tough fighting and particularly in the built up areas when israel goes into the major city of north gaza which i think it will have to do, gaza city. and they will be facing some of that i was fighting in which i would expect they will be significant numbers of idf casualties in that fighting is well as terrorist casualties and unfortunately because there will beat civilians or meaning that there will also be probably a significant number of civilian casualties is well. but suffice it to say, it's going to be probably the toughest fight israel has ever involved itself and in its history. i fight israel has ever involved itself and in its history. i was listenin: itself and in its history. i was listening to _ itself and in its history. i was listening to one _ itself and in its history. i was listening to one expert - itself and in its history. i was listening to one expert or- itself and in its history. i was listening to one expert or a l itself and in its history. i was - listening to one expert or a little earlier talking about previous incursions and the length of those incursions, and their assessment was this time, with the stated objective of trying to simply wipe out hamas altogether, it will be much, much longer. in terms of any sort of rough time scale you'd have on an operation of that size, what is your assessment? is operation of that size, what is your assessment?— assessment? is a very difficult thin to assessment? is a very difficult thing to forecast, _ assessment? is a very difficult thing to forecast, and - assessment? is a very difficult| thing to forecast, and certainly assessment? is a very difficult - thing to forecast, and certainly not even the idf will know how long it's going to take but i will say that we're looking at no less than 3—4 weeks before hamas is essentially crushed. and sincerely mean killing them off. i think there will be a large number killed in their already having a large number killed is a horrible thing to say about deadly people, but in this situation, israel has no choice because those people will, if they're not dealt with in this way now, then we will see repetitions of rocket attacks and also the kind of massacre we saw last weekend. but it's not necessarily killing all of them. there are options where perhaps once they've been hit sufficiently hard that some of them, the survivors, may wish to get out of gaza, and no doubt that the idf and egypt are looking at options for that where perhaps i can leave gaza through egypt and looking to go where i don't know but one way or another i think the idea is they will have to get rid of or kill or remove the vast majority of hamas terrorists. families of children missing or kidnapped by hamas have held a news conference in tel aviv. yifat zailer is the aunt of four—year—old ariel and nine—month—old kfir, who were both taken. let's listen to some of what she had to say. this is torture. they are innocent civilians. — this is torture. they are innocent civilians, innocent children in hard conditions — civilians, innocent children in hard conditions. they are not a pawn in a game _ conditions. they are not a pawn in a game or— conditions. they are not a pawn in a game or a _ conditions. they are not a pawn in a game or a war. they need to be released — game or a war. they need to be released and released now. yesterday. this is crazy. this is a nightmare — let's be like to the senior adviser for the israeli prime minister and former ambassador to the uk. welcome to the programme. how important was it today to have the british prime minister in israel the day after the us president and the things he said? it was great to have him here. to express— it was great to have him here. to express the — it was great to have him here. to express the solidarity— it was great to have him here. to express the solidarity of the - express the solidarity of the british— express the solidarity of the british government - express the solidarity of the british government and - express the solidarity of the british government and the | express the solidarity of the - british government and the british people _ british government and the british people to — british government and the british peopte to what _ british government and the british people to what has _ british government and the british people to what has happened - british government and the british people to what has happened to l people to what has happened to israet. _ people to what has happened to israet. to— people to what has happened to israet. to the _ people to what has happened to israel, to the crisis _ people to what has happened to israel, to the crisis we - people to what has happened to israel, to the crisis we are - people to what has happened to israel, to the crisis we are in, l people to what has happened to israel, to the crisis we are in, a| israel, to the crisis we are in, a show of— israel, to the crisis we are in, a show of solidarity _ israel, to the crisis we are in, a show of solidarity and - israel, to the crisis we are in, a show of solidarity and support i israel, to the crisis we are in, a i show of solidarity and support was greatly _ show of solidarity and support was greatly appreciated. _ show of solidarity and support was greatly appreciated. and - show of solidarity and support was greatly appreciated. and as - show of solidarity and support was greatly appreciated. and as you i greatly appreciated. and as you said. _ greatly appreciated. and as you said. it — greatly appreciated. and as you said. it can— greatly appreciated. and as you said, it can the _ greatly appreciated. and as you said, it can the day— greatly appreciated. and as you said, it can the day after- greatly appreciated. and as you said, it can the day after the . greatly appreciated. and as youj said, it can the day after the us presidents, _ said, it can the day after the us presidents, two _ said, it can the day after the us presidents, two days _ said, it can the day after the us presidents, two days after- said, it can the day after the us presidents, two days after the i presidents, two days after the german— presidents, two days after the german chancellor— presidents, two days after the german chancellor and - presidents, two days after the german chancellor and i- presidents, two days after the l german chancellor and i believe presidents, two days after the - german chancellor and i believe we will shortly — german chancellor and i believe we will shortly have _ german chancellor and i believe we will shortly have a _ german chancellor and i believe we will shortly have a visit _ german chancellor and i believe we will shortly have a visit from - german chancellor and i believe we will shortly have a visit from the - will shortly have a visit from the french _ will shortly have a visit from the french president, _ will shortly have a visit from the french president, and _ will shortly have a visit from the french president, and i- will shortly have a visit from the french president, and i think. will shortly have a visit from thej french president, and i think we will shortly have a visit from the - french president, and i think we are seeing _ french president, and i think we are seeing teader— french president, and i think we are seeing leader after— french president, and i think we are seeing leader after leader _ french president, and i think we are seeing leader after leader across - seeing leader after leader across the planet— seeing leader after leader across the planet come _ seeing leader after leader across the planet come to _ seeing leader after leader across the planet come to israel, - seeing leader after leader across i the planet come to israel, express solidarity, — the planet come to israel, express solidarity, express— the planet come to israel, express solidarity, express their— the planet come to israel, express solidarity, express their outrage . the planet come to israel, express| solidarity, express their outrage at what hanras— solidarity, express their outrage at what hamas did, _ solidarity, express their outrage at what hamas did, that— solidarity, express their outrage at what hamas did, that brutal- solidarity, express their outrage at. what hamas did, that brutal massacre of october— what hamas did, that brutal massacre of october the — what hamas did, that brutal massacre of october the 7th, _ what hamas did, that brutal massacre of october the 7th, and _ what hamas did, that brutal massacre of october the 7th, and support- of october the 7th, and support israet's — of october the 7th, and support israel's gioux _ of october the 7th, and support israel's gioux right _ of october the 7th, and support israel's gioux right to _ of october the 7th, and support. israel's gioux right to self—defense that we _ israel's gioux right to self—defense that we are — israel's gioux right to self—defense that we are in— israel's gioux right to self—defense that we are in a _ israel's gioux right to self—defense that we are in a war— israel's gioux right to self—defense that we are in a war and _ israel's gioux right to self—defense that we are in a war and they- that we are in a war and they sopport— that we are in a war and they sopport us— that we are in a war and they sopport us and _ that we are in a war and they support us and i— that we are in a war and they support us and i believe - that we are in a war and they. support us and i believe as your prime _ support us and i believe as your prime minister— support us and i believe as your prime minister said _ support us and i believe as your prime minister said today, - support us and i believe as your prime minister said today, that| support us and i believe as your- prime minister said today, that they want us _ prime minister said today, that they want us to— prime minister said today, that they want us to win _ prime minister said today, that they want us to win. and _ prime minister said today, that they want us to win. and we _ prime minister said today, that they want us to win. and we will - prime minister said today, that they want us to win. and we will win. - want us to win. and we will win. yes, _ want us to win. and we will win. yes. he — want us to win. and we will win. yes. he could _ want us to win. and we will win. yes, he could not— want us to win. and we will win. yes, he could not have - want us to win. and we will win. yes, he could not have been - want us to win. and we will win. i yes, he could not have been clear want us to win. and we will win. - yes, he could not have been clear in terms of the language he used. he also talked about the hostages and we were hearing harrowing accounts yet again from another of those news conferences we played just before we came to you. now rishi sunak also welcomed israel allowing aid into gaza. what is israel thing about humanitarian aid in terms of how much will be let in, what it will let in, where it actually goes? this let in, where it actually goes? as is reported widely on the bbc, we have asked — is reported widely on the bbc, we have asked the _ is reported widely on the bbc, we have asked the civilian _ is reported widely on the bbc, we have asked the civilian populationj have asked the civilian population to relocate — have asked the civilian population to relocate from _ have asked the civilian population to relocate from the _ have asked the civilian population to relocate from the north - have asked the civilian population to relocate from the north to - have asked the civilian population to relocate from the north to the i to relocate from the north to the south _ to relocate from the north to the south of — to relocate from the north to the south of the _ to relocate from the north to the south of the country _ to relocate from the north to the south of the country to _ to relocate from the north to the south of the country to get - to relocate from the north to the south of the country to get out . to relocate from the north to the | south of the country to get out of harms _ south of the country to get out of harms way — south of the country to get out of harms way because _ south of the country to get out of harms way because we _ south of the country to get out of harms way because we expect. south of the country to get out of harms way because we expect a i south of the country to get out of- harms way because we expect a law of very, harms way because we expect a law of very. very— harms way because we expect a law of very. very serious _ harms way because we expect a law of very, very serious and _ harms way because we expect a law of very, very serious and deadly, - very, very serious and deadly, and the north— very, very serious and deadly, and the north and _ very, very serious and deadly, and the north and it _ very, very serious and deadly, and the north and it makes _ very, very serious and deadly, and the north and it makes common. very, very serious and deadly, and - the north and it makes common sense to have _ the north and it makes common sense to have civilians _ the north and it makes common sense to have civilians move _ the north and it makes common sense to have civilians move out— the north and it makes common sense to have civilians move out of— to have civilians move out of harm's way~ _ to have civilians move out of harm's way~ so _ to have civilians move out of harm's way. so they — to have civilians move out of harm's way. so they have _ to have civilians move out of harm's way. so they have moved _ to have civilians move out of harm's way. so they have moved into the l way. so they have moved into the south _ way. so they have moved into the south and — way. so they have moved into the south and frankly— way. so they have moved into the south and frankly there _ way. so they have moved into the south and frankly there is - way. so they have moved into the south and frankly there is not - way. so they have moved into the south and frankly there is not the | south and frankly there is not the infra _ south and frankly there is not the infra structure _ south and frankly there is not the infra structure there _ south and frankly there is not the infra structure there or— south and frankly there is not the infra structure there or facilities. infra structure there or facilities for so _ infra structure there or facilities for so many— infra structure there or facilities for so many new— infra structure there or facilities for so many new people, - infra structure there or facilities for so many new people, and i infra structure there or facilities| for so many new people, and so infra structure there or facilities. for so many new people, and so i think— for so many new people, and so i think the — for so many new people, and so i think the military _ for so many new people, and so i think the military and _ for so many new people, and so i think the military and effort - for so many new people, and so i think the military and effort will i think the military and effort will be focused _ think the military and effort will be focused there _ think the military and effort will be focused there on _ think the military and effort will be focused there on the - think the military and effort will . be focused there on the internally displaced — be focused there on the internally displaced people _ be focused there on the internally displaced people. and _ be focused there on the internally displaced people. and that - be focused there on the internally displaced people. and that will. be focused there on the internally i displaced people. and that will come up displaced people. and that will come up through— displaced people. and that will come up through the — displaced people. and that will come up through the rafah _ displaced people. and that will come up through the rafah crossing - displaced people. and that will come up through the rafah crossing from i up through the rafah crossing from sinai into— up through the rafah crossing from sinai into gaza. _ up through the rafah crossing from sinai into gaza. that's _ up through the rafah crossing from sinai into gaza. that's the - up through the rafah crossing from sinai into gaza. that's the plan. - sinai into gaza. that's the plan. now— sinai into gaza. that's the plan. now israet— sinai into gaza. that's the plan. now israel has _ sinai into gaza. that's the plan. now israel has said _ sinai into gaza. that's the plan. now israel has said no - sinai into gaza. that's the plan. now israel has said no to - sinai into gaza. that's the plan. now israel has said no to fuel . sinai into gaza. that's the plan. i now israel has said no to fuel flow so let me read you a quote from the head of united nations relief operation is at date feel important if needed for the water stations and when needed for the desalination stations in a few days ago i was raising the alarm that there is no water any more in the gaza strip and water any more in the gaza strip and water basically is a lie. there are too many stories now people consuming dirty water and that's become a health hazard now in the gaza strip. will you reconsider that decision around fuel? 50 gaza strip. will you reconsider that decision around fuel?— decision around fuel? so feel is a roblem decision around fuel? so feel is a problem and _ decision around fuel? so feel is a problem and we _ decision around fuel? so feel is a problem and we saw _ decision around fuel? so feel is a problem and we saw that - decision around fuel? so feel is a problem and we saw that earlierl decision around fuel? so feel is a i problem and we saw that earlier this week when— problem and we saw that earlier this week when there _ problem and we saw that earlier this week when there were _ problem and we saw that earlier this week when there were tankers - problem and we saw that earlier this week when there were tankers that. week when there were tankers that came _ week when there were tankers that came in— week when there were tankers that came in with — week when there were tankers that came in with petrol, _ week when there were tankers that came in with petrol, with _ week when there were tankers that came in with petrol, with fuel, - week when there were tankers that came in with petrol, with fuel, and| came in with petrol, with fuel, and we know— came in with petrol, with fuel, and we know for— came in with petrol, with fuel, and we know for a _ came in with petrol, with fuel, and we know for a fact _ came in with petrol, with fuel, and we know for a fact that _ came in with petrol, with fuel, and we know for a fact that a _ came in with petrol, with fuel, and we know for a fact that a large - we know for a fact that a large part of that— we know for a fact that a large part of that was— we know for a fact that a large part of that was stolen _ we know for a fact that a large part of that was stolen by— we know for a fact that a large part of that was stolen by hamas - we know for a fact that a large part of that was stolen by hamas and l of that was stolen by hamas and diverted — of that was stolen by hamas and diverted to— of that was stolen by hamas and diverted to his _ of that was stolen by hamas and diverted to his military— of that was stolen by hamas and diverted to his military machine. now there — diverted to his military machine. now there is _ diverted to his military machine. now there is a _ diverted to his military machine. now there is a problem. - diverted to his military machine. now there is a problem. of- diverted to his military machine. i now there is a problem. of course the international— now there is a problem. of course the international community - now there is a problem. of course| the international community wants now there is a problem. of course i the international community wants to support— the international community wants to support the _ the international community wants to support the innocent _ the international community wants to support the innocent civilian - support the innocent civilian population— support the innocent civilian population of— support the innocent civilian population of gaza - support the innocent civilian population of gaza and - support the innocent civiliani population of gaza and israel support the innocent civilian - population of gaza and israel will facilitate — population of gaza and israel will facilitate that, _ population of gaza and israel will facilitate that, but _ population of gaza and israel will facilitate that, but we _ population of gaza and israel will facilitate that, but we cannot - population of gaza and israel will facilitate that, but we cannot see hamas _ facilitate that, but we cannot see hamas like — facilitate that, but we cannot see hamas like other— facilitate that, but we cannot see hamas like other authoritarian i hamas like other authoritarian regimes— hamas like other authoritarian regimes have _ hamas like other authoritarian regimes have done _ hamas like other authoritarian regimes have done across- hamas like other authoritarian regimes have done across the| hamas like other authoritarian - regimes have done across the planet in similar— regimes have done across the planet in similar cases — regimes have done across the planet in similar cases siphon _ regimes have done across the planet in similar cases siphon off— regimes have done across the planet in similar cases siphon off and - regimes have done across the planet in similar cases siphon off and use i in similar cases siphon off and use what _ in similar cases siphon off and use what is _ in similar cases siphon off and use what is supposed _ in similar cases siphon off and use what is supposed to _ in similar cases siphon off and use what is supposed to reach - in similar cases siphon off and use what is supposed to reach the - in similar cases siphon off and use i what is supposed to reach the people of gaza _ what is supposed to reach the people of gaza and _ what is supposed to reach the people of gaza and siphon _ what is supposed to reach the people of gaza and siphon it _ what is supposed to reach the people of gaza and siphon it off for- what is supposed to reach the people of gaza and siphon it off for his - of gaza and siphon it off for his war machine _ of gaza and siphon it off for his war machine. now— of gaza and siphon it off for his war machine. now no- of gaza and siphon it off for his war machine. now no one - of gaza and siphon it off for his l war machine. now no one should have any illusions — war machine. now no one should have any illusions. hamas _ war machine. now no one should have any illusions. hamas is— war machine. now no one should have any illusions. hamas is the _ war machine. now no one should have any illusions. hamas is the only- any illusions. hamas is the only people — any illusions. hamas is the only people inside _ any illusions. hamas is the only people inside gaza _ any illusions. hamas is the only people inside gaza with- any illusions. hamas is the only people inside gaza with guns. l any illusions. hamas is the only- people inside gaza with guns. their ability— people inside gaza with guns. their ability to— people inside gaza with guns. their ability to take — people inside gaza with guns. their ability to take whatever— people inside gaza with guns. their ability to take whatever they - people inside gaza with guns. their ability to take whatever they want i ability to take whatever they want is almost — ability to take whatever they want is almost unlimited. _ ability to take whatever they want is almost unlimited. and - ability to take whatever they want is almost unlimited. and so - is almost unlimited. and so president _ is almost unlimited. and so president biden— is almost unlimited. and so president biden stressed i is almost unlimited. and so i president biden stressed this is almost unlimited. and so - president biden stressed this in his comments — president biden stressed this in his comments before _ president biden stressed this in his comments before he _ president biden stressed this in his comments before he left— president biden stressed this in his comments before he left israel- comments before he left israel yesterday. _ comments before he left israel yesterday, there _ comments before he left israel yesterday, there have - comments before he left israel yesterday, there have to - comments before he left israel yesterday, there have to be . yesterday, there have to be arrangements _ yesterday, there have to be arrangements in— yesterday, there have to be arrangements in place - yesterday, there have to be arrangements in place that| yesterday, there have to be - arrangements in place that prevent hamas— arrangements in place that prevent hamas from — arrangements in place that prevent hamas from doing _ arrangements in place that prevent hamas from doing that. _ arrangements in place that prevent hamas from doing that. and - arrangements in place that prevent hamas from doing that. and if- arrangements in place that preventj hamas from doing that. and if they continue _ hamas from doing that. and if they continue to— hamas from doing that. and if they continue to siphon _ hamas from doing that. and if they continue to siphon off, _ hamas from doing that. and if they continue to siphon off, steal - hamas from doing that. and if they continue to siphon off, steal a - hamas from doing that. and if they continue to siphon off, steal a thisi continue to siphon off, steal a this meant _ continue to siphon off, steal a this meant for— continue to siphon off, steal a this meant for palestinian _ continue to siphon off, steal a this meant for palestinian civilians, - meant for palestinian civilians, they— meant for palestinian civilians, they will— meant for palestinian civilians, they will be _ meant for palestinian civilians, they will be consequences. - meant for palestinian civilians, they will be consequences. maj meant for palestinian civilians, they will be consequences. we will lose our viewers _ they will be consequences. we will lose our viewers the _ they will be consequences. we will lose our viewers the wall _ they will be consequences. we will lose our viewers the wall in - they will be consequences. we will lose our viewers the wall in a - lose our viewers the wall in a moment or two so 30 seconds on answer if you could because the us attorney general has called today an immediate humanitarian cease—fire in gaza. —— un secretary general. your response to that call. 50 gaza. -- un secretary general. your response to that call.— response to that call. so hamas hit us hard, murder— response to that call. so hamas hit us hard, murder of— response to that call. so hamas hit us hard, murder of people - response to that call. so hamas hit us hard, murder of people and - response to that call. so hamas hit us hard, murder of people and can| us hard, murder of people and can her people — us hard, murder of people and can her people and _ us hard, murder of people and can her people and when _ us hard, murder of people and can her people and when we _ us hard, murder of people and can her people and when we start - us hard, murder of people and can her people and when we start to l her people and when we start to strike _ her people and when we start to strike back— her people and when we start to strike back we _ her people and when we start to strike back we had _ her people and when we start to strike back we had to _ her people and when we start to strike back we had to stop. - her people and when we start to. strike back we had to stop. that's giving _ strike back we had to stop. that's giving hamas— strike back we had to stop. that's giving hamas community- strike back we had to stop. that's giving hamas community and - strike back we had to stop. that's giving hamas community and will| strike back we had to stop. that's - giving hamas community and will only encourage _ giving hamas community and will only encourage more — giving hamas community and will only encourage more violence _ giving hamas community and will only encourage more violence in _ giving hamas community and will only encourage more violence in the - encourage more violence in the future — encourage more violence in the future. . , . , future. thanks very much. do stay with us because _ future. thanks very much. do stay with us because you _ future. thanks very much. do stay with us because you are _ future. thanks very much. do stay . with us because you are watching bbc news. viewers here in the uk continue to beat with us so let's continue to beat with us so let's continue our conversation because in terms of how you will carry out any operation that is likely to come in the coming days to wipe out hamas, how can you do that without large numbers of civilian casualties? so the truth is we cannot. there will be inevitably— the truth is we cannot. there will be inevitably civilian _ the truth is we cannot. there will be inevitably civilian casualties. i be inevitably civilian casualties. there _ be inevitably civilian casualties. there is — be inevitably civilian casualties. there is not _ be inevitably civilian casualties. there is not been— be inevitably civilian casualties. there is not been a _ be inevitably civilian casualties. there is not been a war- be inevitably civilian casualties. there is not been a war in - be inevitably civilian casualties. . there is not been a war in modern history— there is not been a war in modern history where _ there is not been a war in modern history where there _ there is not been a war in modern history where there has _ there is not been a war in modern history where there has not - there is not been a war in modern history where there has not beeni history where there has not been innocent — history where there has not been innocent civilians _ history where there has not been innocent civilians caught - history where there has not been innocent civilians caught up - history where there has not been innocent civilians caught up in . history where there has not been| innocent civilians caught up in the fighting — innocent civilians caught up in the fighting that's— innocent civilians caught up in the fighting. that's a _ innocent civilians caught up in the fighting. that's a fact _ innocent civilians caught up in the fighting. that's a fact of - innocent civilians caught up in the fighting. that's a fact of life, - innocent civilians caught up in the fighting. that's a fact of life, buti fighting. that's a fact of life, but as a democratic— fighting. that's a fact of life, but as a democratic country, - fighting. that's a fact of life, but as a democratic country, we - fighting. that's a fact of life, but as a democratic country, we will| as a democratic country, we will make _ as a democratic country, we will make a — as a democratic country, we will make a maximum _ as a democratic country, we will make a maximum effort- as a democratic country, we will make a maximum effort to - as a democratic country, we will- make a maximum effort to minimise civilian— make a maximum effort to minimise civilian casualties, _ make a maximum effort to minimise civilian casualties, to _ make a maximum effort to minimise civilian casualties, to minimise - civilian casualties, to minimise what _ civilian casualties, to minimise what is. — civilian casualties, to minimise what is. the _ civilian casualties, to minimise what is, the military— civilian casualties, to minimise what is, the military people i what is, the military people collateral— what is, the military people collateral damage. - what is, the military people collateral damage. we - what is, the military people| collateral damage. we don't what is, the military people - collateral damage. we don't want to see and _ collateral damage. we don't want to see and we — collateral damage. we don't want to see and we will— collateral damage. we don't want to see and we will make _ collateral damage. we don't want to see and we will make a maximum . see and we will make a maximum effort~ _ see and we will make a maximum effort~ that's _ see and we will make a maximum effort. that's precisely— see and we will make a maximum effort. that's precisely why- effort. that's precisely why we asked — effort. that's precisely why we asked civilians _ effort. that's precisely why we asked civilians to _ effort. that's precisely why we asked civilians to vacate - effort. that's precisely why we asked civilians to vacate whati effort. that's precisely why we i asked civilians to vacate what we know _ asked civilians to vacate what we know are — asked civilians to vacate what we know are expected _ asked civilians to vacate what we know are expected comments i asked civilians to vacate what we | know are expected comments on. asked civilians to vacate what we - know are expected comments on. this will be _ know are expected comments on. this will be asked _ know are expected comments on. this will be asked people _ know are expected comments on. this will be asked people to _ know are expected comments on. this will be asked people to move - know are expected comments on. this will be asked people to move to - know are expected comments on. this will be asked people to move to the i will be asked people to move to the south _ will be asked people to move to the south even— will be asked people to move to the south. even though _ will be asked people to move to the south. even though it _ will be asked people to move to the south. even though it is— will be asked people to move to the south. even though it is difficult- south. even though it is difficult even _ south. even though it is difficult even though— south. even though it is difficult even though many— south. even though it is difficult even though many people, - south. even though it is difficult even though many people, i'm. south. even though it is difficult. even though many people, i'm not understating — even though many people, i'm not understating in _ even though many people, i'm not understating in any _ even though many people, i'm not understating in any the _ even though many people, i'm not understating in any the challengesj understating in any the challenges involved _ understating in any the challenges involved in— understating in any the challenges involved in relocating _ understating in any the challenges involved in relocating from - understating in any the challenges involved in relocating from the - involved in relocating from the northern — involved in relocating from the northern part _ involved in relocating from the northern part of _ involved in relocating from the northern part of the _ involved in relocating from the northern part of the gaza - involved in relocating from the northern part of the gaza stripj involved in relocating from the . northern part of the gaza strip to the southern _ northern part of the gaza strip to the southern part, _ northern part of the gaza strip to the southern part, but— northern part of the gaza strip to the southern part, but surely- northern part of the gaza strip to| the southern part, but surely that is not _ the southern part, but surely that is not difficulties _ the southern part, but surely that is not difficulties involved - the southern part, but surely that is not difficulties involved in - the southern part, but surely that is not difficulties involved in such| is not difficulties involved in such a movement— is not difficulties involved in such a movement of— is not difficulties involved in such a movement of people, - is not difficulties involved in such a movement of people, that's. a movement of people, that's preferable _ a movement of people, that's preferable that— a movement of people, that's preferable that have - a movement of people, that's preferable that have people . a movement of people, that's- preferable that have people getting killed in _ preferable that have people getting killed in the — preferable that have people getting killed in the crossfire _ preferable that have people getting killed in the crossfire between- preferable that have people getting killed in the crossfire between us i killed in the crossfire between us and hamas _ killed in the crossfire between us and hamas on _ killed in the crossfire between us and hamas— killed in the crossfire between us and hamas. . , , ., and hamas. on a practical question, for those people _ and hamas. on a practical question, for those people who _ and hamas. on a practical question, for those people who cannot - and hamas. on a practical question, for those people who cannot move, | and hamas. on a practical question, l for those people who cannot move, so the human is talked about pregnant people, people with disabilities, people, people with disabilities, people who were already injured in hospitals, what do you expect them to do if they are in those northern parts of the gaza strip that you are urging people to leave because all of those dangerous you just outlined? to of those dangerous you 'ust outlinedvi of those dangerous you 'ust outlined? ., , ., . ,, ., outlined? to the people of gaza know their communities _ outlined? to the people of gaza know their communities better _ outlined? to the people of gaza know their communities better than - outlined? to the people of gaza know their communities better than anyone else, their communities better than anyone else. and _ their communities better than anyone else. and they— their communities better than anyone else, and they know— their communities better than anyone else, and they know where _ their communities better than anyone else, and they know where hamas - their communities better than anyone| else, and they know where hamas has his military— else, and they know where hamas has his military installations _ else, and they know where hamas has his military installations and _ else, and they know where hamas has his military installations and they - his military installations and they know— his military installations and they know where — his military installations and they know where hamas _ his military installations and they know where hamas has - his military installations and they know where hamas has its - his military installations and they - know where hamas has its underground bunkers. _ know where hamas has its underground bunkers. they— know where hamas has its underground bunkers, they know— know where hamas has its underground bunkers, they know better _ know where hamas has its underground bunkers, they know better than - bunkers, they know better than anyone — bunkers, they know better than anyone else _ bunkers, they know better than anyone else. so— bunkers, they know better than anyone else. so we _ bunkers, they know better than anyone else. so we say- bunkers, they know better than anyone else. so we say if- bunkers, they know better than anyone else. so we say if you . bunkers, they know better than - anyone else. so we say if you cannot make _ anyone else. so we say if you cannot make the _ anyone else. so we say if you cannot make the long — anyone else. so we say if you cannot make the long trip _ anyone else. so we say if you cannot make the long trip to _ anyone else. so we say if you cannot make the long trip to the _ anyone else. so we say if you cannot make the long trip to the south, - anyone else. so we say if you cannot make the long trip to the south, andj make the long trip to the south, and understand — make the long trip to the south, and understand at — make the long trip to the south, and understand at least _ make the long trip to the south, and understand at least move _ make the long trip to the south, and understand at least move as - make the long trip to the south, and understand at least move as far - understand at least move as far away as you _ understand at least move as far away as you can— understand at least move as far away as you can from — understand at least move as far away as you can from hamas _ understand at least move as far away as you can from hamas military- as you can from hamas military machine~ — as you can from hamas military machine. �* . .. , machine. but human facilities if the no machine. but human facilities if they go to _ machine. but human facilities if they go to their— machine. but human facilities if they go to their where - machine. but human facilities if they go to their where they - machine. but human facilities if| they go to their where they have been so far, those of un schools and other places, are they likely to be safe there in the coming days? can you guarantee that? i safe there in the coming days? can you guarantee that?— you guarantee that? i would hope so thou:h i you guarantee that? i would hope so though i would _ you guarantee that? i would hope so though i would remind _ you guarantee that? i would hope so though i would remind you _ you guarantee that? i would hope so though i would remind you that - you guarantee that? i would hope so| though i would remind you that there are documented _ though i would remind you that there are documented cases— though i would remind you that there are documented cases in— though i would remind you that there are documented cases in previous - are documented cases in previous rounds— are documented cases in previous rounds of— are documented cases in previous rounds of fighting _ are documented cases in previous rounds of fighting in _ are documented cases in previous rounds of fighting in gaza - are documented cases in previous rounds of fighting in gaza where l are documented cases in previous . rounds of fighting in gaza where you facilities _ rounds of fighting in gaza where you facilities were _ rounds of fighting in gaza where you facilities were exploited _ rounds of fighting in gaza where you facilities were exploited by- rounds of fighting in gaza where you facilities were exploited by hamas . facilities were exploited by hamas to store _ facilities were exploited by hamas to store rockets _ facilities were exploited by hamas to store rockets and _ facilities were exploited by hamas to store rockets and so _ facilities were exploited by hamas to store rockets and so forth. - facilities were exploited by hamas to store rockets and so forth. so l facilities were exploited by hamas i to store rockets and so forth. so we are not— to store rockets and so forth. so we are not going — to store rockets and so forth. so we are not going to— to store rockets and so forth. so we are not going to target _ to store rockets and so forth. so we are not going to target innocent - are not going to target innocent civilians. — are not going to target innocent civilians, let's— are not going to target innocent civilians, let's be _ are not going to target innocent civilians, let's be clear- are not going to target innocent civilians, let's be clear about. civilians, let's be clear about that. — civilians, let's be clear about that. but _ civilians, let's be clear about that. but if— civilians, let's be clear about that, but if anyone _ civilians, let's be clear about that, but if anyone is - civilians, let's be clear about that, but if anyone is going i civilians, let's be clear abouti that, but if anyone is going to break— that, but if anyone is going to break the _ that, but if anyone is going to break the immunity— that, but if anyone is going to break the immunity of- that, but if anyone is going to break the immunity of these i that, but if anyone is going to - break the immunity of these places, is hamas— break the immunity of these places, is hamas through _ break the immunity of these places, is hamas through its _ break the immunity of these places, is hamas through its own _ break the immunity of these places, j is hamas through its own behaviour. i is hamas through its own behaviour. i urged _ is hamas through its own behaviour. i urged to— is hamas through its own behaviour. i urged to look— is hamas through its own behaviour. i urged to look at— is hamas through its own behaviour. i urged to look at the _ is hamas through its own behaviour. i urged to look at the bbc— i urged to look at the bbc website io i urged to look at the bbc website go back— i urged to look at the bbc website go back a — i urged to look at the bbc website go back a few— i urged to look at the bbc website go back a few years _ i urged to look at the bbc website go back a few years and _ i urged to look at the bbc website go back a few years and you - i urged to look at the bbc website go back a few years and you will l go back a few years and you will see documented — go back a few years and you will see documented cases _ go back a few years and you will see documented cases of _ go back a few years and you will see documented cases of hamas - go back a few years and you will see documented cases of hamas using i go back a few years and you will see l documented cases of hamas using un facilities _ documented cases of hamas using un facilities for _ documented cases of hamas using un facilities for its _ documented cases of hamas using un facilities for its war— documented cases of hamas using un facilities for its war machine. - documented cases of hamas using un facilities for its war machine. new. facilities for its war machine. now the president _ facilities for its war machine. now the president was _ facilities for its war machine. the president was there facilities for its war machine.- the president was there yesterday, joe biden, talking incredibly clearly exactly is he reflecting on to the start of this interview in terms of his support for israel. he could not have been clearer and his thoughts for the hostages and their families. he said that was his number one priority as well, but he warned against acting out of rage. did you hear that caution? yes. warned against acting out of rage. did you hear that caution? yes, and he is 10096 — did you hear that caution? yes, and he is 100% correct. _ did you hear that caution? yes, and he is 100% correct. we have - did you hear that caution? yes, and he is 10096 correct. we have to - did you hear that caution? yes, and he is 10096 correct. we have to be l did you hear that caution? yes, and| he is 10096 correct. we have to be of he is 100% correct. we have to be of course _ he is 100% correct. we have to be of course committed _ he is 100% correct. we have to be of course committed to _ he is 100% correct. we have to be of course committed to winning - he is 100% correct. we have to be of course committed to winning this - course committed to winning this war. _ course committed to winning this war. a _ course committed to winning this war. a war— course committed to winning this war. a warthat— course committed to winning this war, a war that we _ course committed to winning this war, a war that we did _ course committed to winning this war, a war that we did not - course committed to winning this war, a war that we did not want i course committed to winning this . war, a war that we did not want but a war— war, a war that we did not want but a war that _ war, a war that we did not want but a war that was _ war, a war that we did not want but a war that was forced _ war, a war that we did not want but a war that was forced upon - war, a war that we did not want but a war that was forced upon us - war, a war that we did not want but a war that was forced upon us and i a war that was forced upon us and now we _ a war that was forced upon us and now we are — a war that was forced upon us and now we are going _ a war that was forced upon us and now we are going to _ a war that was forced upon us and now we are going to win it, - a war that was forced upon us and | now we are going to win it, submit to be— now we are going to win it, submit to be determined _ now we are going to win it, submit to be determined to— now we are going to win it, submit to be determined to go— now we are going to win it, submit to be determined to go through i now we are going to win it, submit to be determined to go through to| to be determined to go through to the end _ to be determined to go through to the end and — to be determined to go through to the end and defeat— to be determined to go through to the end and defeat hamas - to be determined to go through to the end and defeat hamas and - the end and defeat hamas and smashed its military— the end and defeat hamas and smashed its military machine _ the end and defeat hamas and smashed its military machine and _ the end and defeat hamas and smashed its military machine and dismantle - its military machine and dismantle its military machine and dismantle its political — its military machine and dismantle its political structure. _ its military machine and dismantle its political structure. that's - its political structure. that's clear — its political structure. that's clear and _ its political structure. that's clear and at _ its political structure. that's clear and at the _ its political structure. that's clear and at the same - its political structure. that's clear and at the same time, | its political structure. that's i clear and at the same time, we its political structure. that's - clear and at the same time, we have to be _ clear and at the same time, we have to be iudicious _ clear and at the same time, we have to be judicious. we _ clear and at the same time, we have to be judicious. we have _ clear and at the same time, we have to be judicious. we have to - clear and at the same time, we have to be judicious. we have to think- to be judicious. we have to think three steps— to be judicious. we have to think three steps ahead. _ to be judicious. we have to think three steps ahead. we _ to be judicious. we have to think three steps ahead. we have - to be judicious. we have to think three steps ahead. we have to. to be judicious. we have to think- three steps ahead. we have to think what is _ three steps ahead. we have to think what is going — three steps ahead. we have to think what is going to _ three steps ahead. we have to think what is going to happen— three steps ahead. we have to think what is going to happen on- three steps ahead. we have to think what is going to happen on the - what is going to happen on the day after. _ what is going to happen on the day after. and — what is going to happen on the day after. and so — what is going to happen on the day after, and so we _ what is going to happen on the day after, and so we heard _ what is going to happen on the day after, and so we heard the - after, and so we heard the president's— after, and so we heard the president's words. - after, and so we heard the president's words. he - after, and so we heard the president's words. he said after, and so we heard the - president's words. he said the united — president's words. he said the united states— president's words. he said the united states over— president's words. he said the united states over it _ president's words. he said the united states over it reached, | president's words. he said the . united states over it reached, he did not— united states over it reached, he did not use — united states over it reached, he did not use those _ united states over it reached, he did not use those words - united states over it reached, he did not use those words but - united states over it reached, hej did not use those words but what united states over it reached, he i did not use those words but what he implied. _ did not use those words but what he implied. after— did not use those words but what he implied, after 9/11, _ did not use those words but what he implied, after 9/11, and— did not use those words but what he implied, after 9/11, and we - did not use those words but what he implied, after 9/11, and we in- implied, after 9/11, and we in israel— implied, after 9/11, and we in israel have _ implied, after 9/11, and we in israel have to _ implied, after 9/11, and we in israel have to be _ implied, after 9/11, and we in israel have to be taking - implied, after 9/11, and we ini israel have to be taking heed. implied, after 9/11, and we in- israel have to be taking heed. and i hate the _ israel have to be taking heed. and i hate the president _ israel have to be taking heed. and i hate the president poz_ israel have to be taking heed. and i hate the president poz met words l hate the president poz met words were _ hate the president poz met words were words— hate the president poz met words were words of— hate the president poz met words were words of wisdom. _ hate the president poz met words were words of wisdom. we - hate the president poz met words were words of wisdom. we have i hate the president poz met words - were words of wisdom. we have to win this and _ were words of wisdom. we have to win this and we _ were words of wisdom. we have to win this and we have — were words of wisdom. we have to win this and we have to _ were words of wisdom. we have to win this and we have to win this _ were words of wisdom. we have to win this and we have to win this in - this and we have to win this in a smart— this and we have to win this in a smart way— this and we have to win this in a smart way in— this and we have to win this in a smart way in a _ this and we have to win this in a smart way in a way— this and we have to win this in a smart way in a way that - this and we have to win this in a smart way in a way that creates| this and we have to win this in a. smart way in a way that creates a better reality _ smart way in a way that creates a better reality for _ smart way in a way that creates a better reality for israel _ smart way in a way that creates a better reality for israel lease - smart way in a way that creates aj better reality for israel lease that can live _ better reality for israel lease that can live in — better reality for israel lease that can live in security— better reality for israel lease that can live in security and _ better reality for israel lease that can live in security and peace - better reality for israel lease that can live in security and peace and not have — can live in security and peace and not have to — can live in security and peace and not have to fear _ can live in security and peace and not have to fear the _ can live in security and peace and not have to fear the sort - can live in security and peace and not have to fear the sort of - not have to fear the sort of massacre _ not have to fear the sort of massacre that _ not have to fear the sort of massacre that we - not have to fear the sort of. massacre that we experienced not have to fear the sort of - massacre that we experienced on —— 0ctober— massacre that we experienced on —— october the — massacre that we experienced on —— october the 7th. _ massacre that we experienced on —— october the 7th. he _ massacre that we experienced on -- october the 7th.— october the 7th. he wrote a few oints october the 7th. he wrote a few points into _ october the 7th. he wrote a few points into one _ october the 7th. he wrote a few points into one let _ october the 7th. he wrote a few points into one let me _ october the 7th. he wrote a few points into one let me think - october the 7th. he wrote a few| points into one let me think that in stages. you think it is possible, practical to actually remove, to wipe out hamas to you? yes, and| yes, and i will give you an example. there _ yes, and i will give you an example. there was— yes, and i will give you an example. there was an — yes, and i will give you an example. there was an international— yes, and i will give you an example. there was an international effort to| there was an international effort to destroy— there was an international effort to destroy isis — there was an international effort to destroy isis and _ there was an international effort to destroy isis and isis _ there was an international effort to destroy isis and isis had _ destroy isis and isis had territorial _ destroy isis and isis had territorial enclaves, - destroy isis and isis had l territorial enclaves, some destroy isis and isis had - territorial enclaves, some of destroy isis and isis had _ territorial enclaves, some of them quite _ territorial enclaves, some of them quite large. — territorial enclaves, some of them quite large. in— territorial enclaves, some of them quite large, in both— territorial enclaves, some of them quite large, in both syria - territorial enclaves, some of them quite large, in both syria and - territorial enclaves, some of themj quite large, in both syria and iraq, but there — quite large, in both syria and iraq, but there was _ quite large, in both syria and iraq, but there was an _ quite large, in both syria and iraq, but there was an international- but there was an international coalition— but there was an international coalition that _ but there was an international coalition that actually - but there was an international- coalition that actually successfully defeated — coalition that actually successfully defeated isis, _ coalition that actually successfully defeated isis, they— coalition that actually successfully defeated isis, they no _ coalition that actually successfully defeated isis, they no longer- coalition that actually successfullyj defeated isis, they no longer have coalition that actually successfully l defeated isis, they no longer have a territorial _ defeated isis, they no longer have a territorial base, _ defeated isis, they no longer have a territorial base, and _ defeated isis, they no longer have a territorial base, and we _ defeated isis, they no longer have a territorial base, and we said - defeated isis, they no longer have a territorial base, and we said the - territorial base, and we said the same _ territorial base, and we said the same to— territorial base, and we said the same to hamas, _ territorial base, and we said the same to hamas, who— territorial base, and we said the same to hamas, who have - same to hamas, who have been compared — same to hamas, who have been compared widely— same to hamas, who have been compared widely to _ same to hamas, who have been compared widely to isis. - same to hamas, who have been compared widely to isis. we - same to hamas, who have beenl compared widely to isis. we say, same to hamas, who have been - compared widely to isis. we say, you have a _ compared widely to isis. we say, you have a territorial— compared widely to isis. we say, you have a territorial base _ compared widely to isis. we say, you have a territorial base in _ compared widely to isis. we say, you have a territorial base in gaza, - have a territorial base in gaza, we will destroy— have a territorial base in gaza, we will destroy that _ have a territorial base in gaza, we will destroy that territorial - have a territorial base in gaza, we will destroy that territorial base i will destroy that territorial base the same — will destroy that territorial base the same way _ will destroy that territorial base the same way isis— will destroy that territorial base the same way isis was - will destroy that territorial base l the same way isis was destroyed. will destroy that territorial base - the same way isis was destroyed. but ou the same way isis was destroyed. you know the geography of the gaza strip, just how tight, compact it is, that the vast tunnels systems, it is a huge undertaking for israel. in terms of the potential for large losses, you must acknowledge that as a possibility as well, as you make these preparations? {lit

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