and mistakes crept in. a slip in the box, spain pounced again. scotland's trip to germany isn't confirmed yet. not to be tonight for scotland but there are still several ways they can qualify. spain now play norway on sunday and if they draw or win, scotland go through. also, if that doesn't happen, scotland still have two micro group games to get the points they need, so fans are going to have to wait a little longer to celebrate. as israel lays to rest hundreds of soldiers killed since last criticisms from the united nations are being met with defiance. more and more peeple _ are being met with defiance. more and more people are _ are being met with defiance. m7 and more people are understanding that we will have to go and the price will be very high, but to eliminate the beast, you have to pay a price. we'll be discussing how far staying on the right side of humanitarian law still matters here. we'll bring you the latest from inside gaza as the blockade on food, water and fuel bites. iam i am frightened, i am scared that when i die, i will leave my kids alone, and i pray to god, ifi when i die, i will leave my kids alone, and i pray to god, if i have to die, i die with them, i don't want to leave them alone. we'll talk to the daughter of israeli peace activists. sharone's mother is 85 and her father is 83. both were kidnapped by hamas on saturday. good evening from jerusalem. we've reached a point where the palestinians and israelis are each reporting loses of around 1,400 people. additionally more than 1,000 palestinian gunmen from hamas, a group designated as terrorist by many western nations, were killed inside israel. sadly, that is likely to arise above that plans to attack on the ground. the un in gaza says it is facing a huge disaster, and america has been urging its ally to show restraint. but the mood here in this country is such that those appeals may have little effect. at the mount herzl military cemetery, the funerals followed one after another today. this ceremony was for tal levi, a 21—year—old from this city who'd almost finished his military service but volunteered for one last saturday duty. a seriously wounded comrade was brought from hospital to the graveside. among those who paid tribute, his mother. translation: our son tal is really a hero that fought bravely - translation: our son tal, i israeli hero that fought bravely and in god's honour. tal, ouryoungest, beloved son, pride of our close and beloved family, i already miss your warm hug and most gentle smile. israel is used to burying its fallen, but last saturday was a black day for the army, as well as society more widely. and while many blame their government, the heavy loss of life has rallied people around the idea of trying to destroy hamas. what you see here with these ceremonies is the whole spectrum of israeli life, the secular and the settler, the city dweller and the person from the rural communities. and this, of course, has created a moment in which normal divisions have been forgotten and the country is united in grief. that means heavy bombing and a siege of gaza that's involved cutting the water and power off as a means of pressure in the first instance of trying to get israeli hostages released. no any obligation of the state of israel to any issue of humanitarian problem in gaza. none. if someone wants to help the people of gaza today, we will be ready to negotiate after we will get back all the hostages. not a minute before. do you know there are already people saying that the siege of gaza is a breach of humanitarian law? we believed it. we will live with it. the us secretary of state, here today, gave fulsome support to israel... we're here, we're not going anywhere. ..but like his president, urged the israelis to operate within the rules of war, which the united nations says israel has already violated with its siege. any entire blockade of a population where you're not providing food or water is considered to be a war crime. the lack of electricity means there will be a hygienic crisis, a health crisis is unfolding as we speak, because the hospitals can't run, there's no medication, so, no operations for all of those people who have been injured, and i think we're up to something like 6,000 palestinians have been injured now. but as their troops mass near gaza, israel's attention is now on what needs to be done in the next stage of the war against hamas, with a widespread national expectation that a ground assault will go ahead. in the cabinet, they're arguing, and i can understand why, because i understand the price, but i think that after this massacre, barbarian massacre, more and more people understand that there is no any alternative, and we will have to go, and the price will be very high, but to eliminate the beast, we have to pay a price. gaza's hospitals are already under strain, and a ground attack could dramatically increase the cost. aid organisations are now wondering how they can sustain their operations there. i think it's the only place in the world where we have this situation that there is no safe place in the territory to go. quite literally, the entire gaza strip is under bombardment. so, unrwa has been trying to spread the food around from their warehouses but as i've said, it's extremely difficult and people are putting their lives at risk. gun fires. tal levi's funeral ended with a salute fired by his comrades. then, friends and relatives comforted his family. over 220 israeli soldiers have died so far since saturday — a number likely to rise steeply if the army rolls into gaza. well, if the army rolls into gaza. we are joined now on o| well, we are joined now on our roof injerusalem by someone who was an activist in the peace now movement and has subsequently worked with other ngos who are trying to keep alive the idea of a two—state solution with the palestinians, welcome to newsnight. when you hear this kind of language from the prime minister, killall the this kind of language from the prime minister, kill all the hamas terrorists crush hamas, does that cause you despair, and do you have to recognise that that is where the nation is now? i to recognise that that is where the nation is now?— nation is now? i think we need to recounise nation is now? i think we need to recognise what _ nation is now? i think we need to recognise what happened - nation is now? i think we need to recognise what happened during| recognise what happened during saturday, and on saturday it was not an act against the occupation, it was not a fight against the occupation by hamas, it was an attack on humanity. and this is how we should look at this attack. eventually, i believe that the solution after the war will be a political one, and the fact that hamas are war criminals doesn't mean that the occupation and the settlements are positive and we can accept it. eventually, there is the palestinian authority, the plo, the victory over hamas will be to empower them and to show the palestinian people that if they are coming with peace, so they can get peace with israel and to end occupation. peace with israel and to end occumtion-_ peace with israel and to end occu ation. , ., occupation. so, even with your background — occupation. so, even with your background in _ occupation. so, even with your background in peace _ occupation. so, even with your background in peace politics, | background in peace politics, you recognise the qualitatively different nature of what happened last saturday, the shift in national mood, does some of the language you are hearing worry you, from israelis, about what they want to do to palestinians?— to palestinians? definitely. i am afraid not because _ to palestinians? definitely. i am afraid not because of _ to palestinians? definitely. i am afraid not because of the - afraid not because of the palestinians, i am afraid because of my society. i hear the language, i see the signs, i see demonstration, still very small but they are saying we should wipe out gaza totally, destroy gaza totally, and this is not our goal, the goal should be hamas, not the gaza people, and this were to is very scary, not because of the palestinian but because of our values as a society, as a community here in the middle east. and when you see a community being hit so strongly by hamas in such a way, so, there is a risk that coming from the victim position, you will become, you will lose your values, and i hope it will not happen, actually i'm sure it will not happen because eventually, the basic element of democracy here in the israeli society is very strong, we know it from the last year. find israeli society is very strong, we know it from the last year. and the hosta . es, know it from the last year. and the hostages, reasonably _ know it from the last year. and the hostages, reasonably there - know it from the last year. and the hostages, reasonably there was . know it from the last year. and the hostages, reasonably there was a i hostages, reasonably there was a calculation on the part of hamas, if they considered these things at all seriously, that this might stop israel from taking drastic action, and clearly that was wrong, that calculation, israel has pressed ahead with these heavy airstrikes, may well now press ahead with a ground assault, it is as if the existence of those israelis being held captive there, even that doesn't change the national calculation right now. yeah, but we need to look _ calculation right now. yeah, but we need to look at _ calculation right now. yeah, but we need to look at this _ calculation right now. yeah, but we need to look at this issue _ calculation right now. yeah, but we need to look at this issue from - calculation right now. yeah, but we need to look at this issue from the | need to look at this issue from the past experience and we know that there are only two options to release hostages in the hamas, the first one is when you have intelligence and you can go with the military and take them out, but you need intelligence for that. but if you don't have the military option, so, the other option is to have a deal, some kind of a deal, releasing the palestinian prisoners from the israeli jail, this was the main motivation of hamas to go ahead with this operation, with this attack, to release their people from the israeli jail, and i believe that as part of a humanitarian deal, we should go for that, even if it will be a price for the hamas, and it will, but we need to release our people, at least the infants, the older people, the women, people that are not part of the israeli army. and lastly, briefly, sorry, ifi may, we are almost out of time on this, but the polls show that a lot of people, the majority in the polls i have seen, blame mr netanyahu for this, will there be a reckoning for him after this military conflict? i don't see a scenario where netanyahu will keep his coalition and his job as prime minister in israel. a few months after the war. because the mistrust was there even before the war, and this war shows that you got a prime minister that is dangerous for the future of israel. it is not only me saying it, people who voted for netanyahu are saying it out loud, you will see it in the polls very soon. loud, you will see it in the polls very soon-— loud, you will see it in the polls very soon. thank you very much indeed, yariv _ very soon. thank you very much indeed, yariv oppenheimer. - very soon. thank you very much l indeed, yariv oppenheimer. now very soon. thank you very much - indeed, yariv oppenheimer. now we indeed, yariv 0ppenheimer. now we are going... apologies for the sound, of course we will go back to mark injerusalem as soon as we can. earlier today, israel said the siege of gaza would not end until israeli hostages were released. "no electrical switch will be turned on, no water hydrant will be opened and no fuel truck will enter," said energy minister israel katz. at least 150 hostages were taken into gaza during hamas's deadly attacks on israel at the weekend. we're going to talk now to sharone lifschitz, whose 85—year—old mother and 83—year—old father were kidnapped. the couple are peace activists and lived in a kibbutz called nir 0z about a00m from the border with gaza. sharone has asked that we don't identify her parents. welcome to newsnight, thank you very much for being with us. first of all, how are you doing? iam like, i am like, i don't know how to hold it, we arejust i am like, i don't know how to hold it, we are just holding together, we are holding to each other, we are holding to the knowledge that time is very precious, and we have to find a way to bring these people home. i am just keeping busy and trying to make that happen. what trying to make that happen. what do ou know trying to make that happen. what do you know about _ trying to make that happen. what do you know about what _ trying to make that happen. what do you know about what happened - trying to make that happen. what do you know about what happened to i trying to make that happen. what do i you know about what happened to your mother and father on saturday? my mother and father on saturday? ij�*i mother and father on saturday? ij�*i1: mother and father on saturday? ii1: mother and father on saturday? ij�*i1: mother and father were mother and father on saturday? i’i1: mother and father were in mother and father on saturday? ii: mother and father were in their house, my father actually was asked to go to hospital on friday night, he didn't feel well but he always refuses to go. they were at home, my father said he feels better, he spoke to my uncle at about 8.30 in the morning, my mum was asleep, they were in the safe room, which is safe from missiles, and my mum, my father said that he could hear the terrorists, that he could hear the shouting, but he was in the safe room, and it is going to be ok. find room, and it is going to be ok. and from then? — room, and it is going to be ok. and from then? nothing. _ room, and it is going to be ok. and from then? nothing. absolutely - from then? nothing. absolutely nothina . from then? nothing. absolutely nothing. about _ from then? nothing. absolutely nothing. about two _ from then? nothing. absolutely nothing. about two hours - from then? nothing. absolutely nothing. about two hours laterl from then? nothing. absolutelyj nothing. about two hours later i from then? nothing. absolutely - nothing. about two hours later i saw a bit of footage on al—jazeera of a journalist talking with people around him with machetes and so on, and they were just behind my parents�* house. and they were just behind my parents' house.— and they were just behind my arents' house. ., , parents' house. your parents need medication. _ parents' house. your parents need medication. i _ parents' house. your parents need medication, i understand. - parents' house. your parents need medication, i understand. yes. - parents' house. your parents need l medication, i understand. yes. was that left medication, i understand. iezs was that left behind? medication, i understand. yes. was that left behind? i— medication, i understand. yes. was that left behind? i have _ medication, i understand. yes. was that left behind? i have no - medication, i understand. yes. was that left behind? i have no idea - that left behind? i have no idea because the — that left behind? i have no idea because the whole _ that left behind? i have no idea because the whole house - that left behind? i have no idea. because the whole house burned that left behind? i have no idea - because the whole house burned down. we have no way of knowing what they took for what they wore or what to... there is nothing left. my mum needs oxygen in her sleep, she needs a whole load of medication, she has a whole load of medication, she has a very bad back, my father has a long disease from many years of smoking. they are very fragile people. you have seen you have seen some you have seen some footage of what happened in the kibbutz and you said you were happy with us showing a very short extract to our audience. we are obviously not going to show the absolute horrors and terror you have seen on that footage. viewers may still find it upsetting, but let's have a look at some of it. again, as i said, we have edited it. hopefully we can bring this to you. yeah, that is just next to my parents. very close by. it'sjust an amazing amount of people there. that is my parents storage.— is my parents storage. essentially they appear _ is my parents storage. essentially they appear to — is my parents storage. essentially they appear to be _ is my parents storage. essentially they appear to be going _ is my parents storage. essentially they appear to be going from - they appear to be going from container to container, house—to—house. aha, container to container, house-to-house. �* ., ., ., house-to-house. a huge amount of looting that — house-to-house. a huge amount of looting that happened _ house-to-house. a huge amount of looting that happened with - house-to-house. a huge amount of looting that happened with the - looting that happened with the second wave after the military terrorists came, citizens came and took everything, everything. yeah... you can see very clearly that they know exactly what they are doing. they came ready to attack. they know where the houses are. thea;r where the houses are. they are drilling somebody's _ where the houses are. they are drilling somebody's front - where the houses are. they are drilling somebody's front door i where the houses are. they are l drilling somebody's front door to get in, to get them. find drilling somebody's front door to get in, to get them. and probably the family inside _ get in, to get them. and probably the family inside is _ get in, to get them. and probably the family inside is texting - get in, to get them. and probably the family inside is texting and i the family inside is texting and trying to get somebody to come. your arents are trying to get somebody to come. your parents are peace _ trying to get somebody to come. your parents are peace activists and your father has spent time, the kibbutz is 400 metres from the border, spent time driving to the border to pick up time driving to the border to pick up girls to bring them to work in israel. , . ., up girls to bring them to work in israel. , . ~ , up girls to bring them to work in israel. , w , ., , israel. -- picked up gazans. he believed in _ israel. -- picked up gazans. he believed in the _ israel. -- picked up gazans. he believed in the humanity - believed in the humanity of everybody. he spent his career fighting the cause and fighting for the two state solution and being part of the peace movement. in his retirement hejust part of the peace movement. in his retirement he just wanted to be of use and he used to through a local organisation drive palestinians to and from the hospitals injerusalem. he was very proud of it. the and from the hospitals in jerusalem. he was very proud of it.— he was very proud of it. the israeli government _ he was very proud of it. the israeli government says _ he was very proud of it. the israeli government says it _ he was very proud of it. the israeli government says it will _ he was very proud of it. the israeli government says it will restore - he was very proud of it. the israelil government says it will restore food supplies, water, electricity to gaza when people like your mother and father and the rest of the israeli hostages are released. what do you think of that approach? it definitely, i don't want to comment on how it works israel fight it's words, but it definitely doesn't improve the situation, to a whole host of very ill and old people that were taken out of their beds and homes, i can't bear the thought of my parents being there and having this horrible conditions, and i don't know how you survive with a baby, i don't know. i think... don't know how you survive with a baby, i don't know. ithink... i don't know how you survive with a baby, i don't know. i think... i am a little bit speechless. i don't know how to understand it. we are neighbours. we have been part of that place for parents, 65 years. these are our neighbours, these are the people that live one mile away from us, you know? i don't wish them badly. i think that at this point what is most important is to realise how evil hamas is. this is isis, this is boko haram, this is the level of cruelty and destruction, and it has been very evidently clear that this is an act, an atrocity that this is an act, an atrocity thatis that this is an act, an atrocity that is they are to make us petrified, to make us hate, and i think that at this point we have to make a choice. people ask me do i think israel has a right to defend itself and my question is do you have the right to defend yourself? the question is what is defence rather than what is just an escalation of hatred. that is the difference to meet. the escalation of hatred. that is the difference to meet.— escalation of hatred. that is the difference to meet. the israeli army is amassing — difference to meet. the israeli army is amassing on _ difference to meet. the israeli army is amassing on the _ difference to meet. the israeli army is amassing on the border. - difference to meet. the israeli army is amassing on the border. it - difference to meet. the israeli army is amassing on the border. it would | is amassing on the border. it would appear it is likely they will go into gaza on the ground. how do you feel about that, with your mum and dad presumably somewhere in gaza? but also my friends' children, and this is the israel army, i have been to the army, everybody has, it is not possible to be kind of thinking this is other people, as people in the uk do. they think it is other people but for others it is not. everybody goes there. so obviously i am petrified for the children of my family and my friends and for everybody else. i am also petrified for the population of gaza. i think they are having a really horrible deal and i think they are held hostage by hamas. i can't imagine hamas treats its own people much better than it treats us. i hamas treats its own people much better than it treats us.— better than it treats us. i can see that ou better than it treats us. i can see that you are _ better than it treats us. i can see that you are working _ better than it treats us. i can see that you are working so - better than it treats us. i can see that you are working so hard - better than it treats us. i can see that you are working so hard to l better than it treats us. i can see - that you are working so hard to keep yourself together. what do you feel that your job yourself together. what do you feel that yourjob is now? mr; yourself together. what do you feel that yourjob is now?— that your “0b is now? my “0b is to be that yourjob is now? my “0b is to be working — that yourjob is now? my “0b is to be working fort that yourjob is now? my “0b is to be working for the h that yourjob is now? my job is to be working for the release - that yourjob is now? my job is to be working for the release of- that yourjob is now? my job is to be working for the release of this j be working for the release of this elderly, fragile people, of the babies, of my friends daughter who is autistic, of my neighbours' children, the children of my community and other communities. this is a totally unacceptable situation and they have no need for these people. situation and they have no need for these people-— these people. sharone, thank you very much — these people. sharone, thank you very much for— these people. sharone, thank you very much for talking _ these people. sharone, thank you very much for talking to _ these people. sharone, thank you i very much for talking to newsnight. back tojerusalem back to jerusalem with mark. back tojerusalem with mark. thank you. apologies for our earlier sound problem. we arejoined now in jerusalem by daniel taub who was a diplomat for many years including a speu diplomat for many years including a speuin diplomat for many years including a spell in london and representing his country in numerous foreign negotiations. welcome to newsnight. america's relationship with this country is key and people have really valued the expressions of support, the fact the expressions of support, the fact the americans have sent a carrier group, butare the americans have sent a carrier group, but are they hearing the americans when they say take every possible precaution to avoid harming palestinian citizens? $5 possible precaution to avoid harming palestinian citizens?— palestinian citizens? as you say israel is enormously _ palestinian citizens? as you say| israel is enormously appreciative palestinian citizens? as you say - israel is enormously appreciative of the really forthright statements by president biden and secretary antony blinken. by british leaders as well, prime minister rishi sunak, moral clarity about the barbarous terrorism that we are facing. regarding the i think you need to think back 18 years to israel pulled that every civilian from the gaza strip, their homes and cemeteries, and since that time the areas we have evacuated have been used repeatedly by hamas and other organisations to launch attacks against israeli civilians and the primary efforts that have been made by israel or precisely to avoid the need to have incursions into gaza, to develop i don't technology that sheets mussels out of the air, the tunnel and defence technologies and so on and the idea is to try and avoid the need for what we have learned this last week is there is no feasible way that you can live next door to an iranian sponsored terrorist infrastructure.— terrorist infrastructure. when you cut off the _ terrorist infrastructure. when you cut off the power _ terrorist infrastructure. when you cut off the power and _ terrorist infrastructure. when you cut off the power and water, - terrorist infrastructure. when you cut off the power and water, as l terrorist infrastructure. when you| cut off the power and water, as we heard earlier in the programme from the united nations, that is a war crime. i the united nations, that is a war crime. ., ., ~ ., ., , crime. i do not know any country in the world that _ crime. i do not know any country in the world that would _ crime. i do not know any country in the world that would continue - crime. i do not know any country in the world that would continue to i the world that would continue to supply electricity to a territory where electricity is being used to create the missiles being fired on its own civilians. it is absolutely true that when you are facing a terrorist organisation that attacks your civilians from behind its own civilians you have the responsibility alone to try to protect your civilians and protect their civilians. but you also have a responsibility to try and be effective in rooting out the terrorism so there can be some kind of future both for israelis and palestinians. irate of future both for israelis and palestinians.— palestinians. we have seen expressions_ palestinians. we have seen expressions of _ palestinians. we have seen expressions of public i palestinians. we have seen l expressions of public support palestinians. we have seen - expressions of public support from leaders in western countries as you have said but also from people through social media, a recognition that something terrible has happened here. do you think that will last or will we see a similar dynamic to some previous conflicts where as the human cost goes up in gaza it falls away, that support for israel? you are riht away, that support for israel? you are right to _ away, that support for israel? you are right to point _ away, that support for israel? iii. are right to point that out. there has tended to be some kind of park and i think there are two reasons. the first is mercifully many people in western countries don't personally know what it is to have to fight terrorist organisations that are attacking people on their own soil, what that means in practice, outside the military establishments to defence establishments to defence establishments which are very supportive and appreciative and generally admiring of the israel operations and i think there is another reason. that is that this is part of the hamas strategy. the strategy is a sick perverse strategy to try and generate civilian casualties that will create images and that places a tremendous responsibility amongst other things on the media to try and put me onto images, to have the courage to call terrorists terrorists, and look and see which side it is that regards every civilian casualties on either side as a failure as israel does for some kind of perverse victory as hamas does. some kind of perverse victory as hamas does-— some kind of perverse victory as hamas does. thank you for “oining us. back hamas does. thank you for “oining back to — hamas does. thank you for “oining saokto you i hamas does. thank you for “oining us. back to you in i hamas does. thank you for “oining us. back to you in the i hamas does. thank you forjoining us. back to you in the studio. i us secretary of state antony blinken said in a joint news conference with the israeli prime minister today that how israel defends itself matters, and it is "so important to take every possible precaution to avoid harming civilians". more than 1300 have been killed in gaza since israel launched retaliatory air strikes, with 338,000 people displaced, that's according to gazan officials. here's emir on what's happened today. and just to let you know, it's increasingly difficult to get footage out of gaza because of the power situation. what you're about to see has been filmed by some of those in gaza, and includes footage from the israeli military. in six days, gaza has in many places become a city of ashes. these satellite images were taken two days ago and show a mosque and residential area before and after israeli missiles pounded the city. the reality now is even worse. a man carries a dead baby and lays them down next to his father, who was also killed. a white sheet seals them both. gaza's sole power station ran out of fuel yesterday and the city has enough supplies forjust a few days. israeli jets have been dropping leaflets warning gazans to leave their homes immediately and go to known shelters. however, the un has said ten of its shelters have been hit since the start of israel's operation. before taking this call with you, ijust had a call, ijust received a picture on whatsapp of our colleague's home demolished and bombarded, that was just struck. he had already relocated to maybe i think family or neighbours. we have barely any time to speak to our colleagues, because of the electricity situation. he is the seventh colleague that has his house demolished. i also just watched a video, that you can find on our pages of our colleague in an interview live, and a big explosion happened while she's on interview and she persists to continue. israel says the siege on gaza, which is currently preventing food, water, electricity and medical supplies, will not be lifted until all israeli hostages are released by hamas. up to 150 people, including children and the elderly, were kidnapped by the militant group when they launched their attack on saturday morning. and so far none have been released. the rafah border was bombarded two days ago and nobody can go through the rafah border. actually eight trucks were on their way two days ago and they were struck by israeli air strikes. —— aid trucks. jordan has sent humanitarian aid for gaza to egypt, but whether it is getting in is unclear. the vast majority of people in gaza are ordinary civilians. my staff, my colleagues, they are ordinary people just like you and me. their mums, their dads, their sisters, their brothers, many of them have already lost relatives in the last few days, and the situation is horrific and terrifying for them. they've done nothing wrong. they don't deserve this at all and they need to be spared and the world needs to urgently wake up and come to its senses and stop this. since israel launched retaliatory air strikes, more than 1400 people have been killed in gaza, with 338,000 people displaced. hamas has killed 1300 israelis. numbers that keep rising. israeli troops continue to mass at the gaza border ahead of an expected ground invasion in the days ahead. with supermarket shelves empty, water running low and the health system unable to cope, gaza now stands at the brink of humanitarian collapse. this week on the programme we've spoken to numerous people living or working in gaza. a doctor at gaza's largest hospital who told us the system was on its knees by tuesday. a professor of education at a university that was bombed yesterday who told us education was a human right. and a surgeon who operates at a medical facility who told us the injured were being brought in having lost limbs. 6,000 bombs have been dropped on gaza in five days according to the israeli defence force. living in one suburb is 35—year—old mum rana akila. there is her, her husband, and two children aged eight and nine. i spoke to her earlier and began by asking her about her experience of having to evacuate under missile strikes. we were sitting at the house and suddenly we heard some noise in the streets where people are shouting, "we should evacuate!" people, they were running in the streets all the way around and completely darkness. it was completely dark. you can never even see your finger in the streets. it's like a ghost city. thankfully, the house was two streets away from that building which i live in. so i managed to reach here safely with my kids. and now, as you can see, i'm just, even in this house, it's, it's dark because there's no power. we fear the night. we don't want the night to come. we sleep and we hope that we will wake up in the morning. missiles everywhere in the night, everywhere. you can just see the light of the bombing. it's all like a fire around you. your kids are eight and nine. your son is eight... yes, yes, yes, yes. i have to tell him — we are under attack. i'm trying to make him calm down as far as i can. but he's witnessing everything. i know this is beyond his, his mind, but i'm trying to to make him but i'm trying to, to make him calm as far as i can. what's the situation, rana, when it comes to food supplies, how much food do you think you've got to last for? let's say, for a couple of days, two days maximum. i don't know if you've heard but the israeli government says the siege will be lifted of the gaza strip when those 130, 150 hostages are released by hamas. i'm not defending, i'm not going to defend any party, but i'm talking as a civilian and as a mother. why the civilians every time have to be punished? it's not our fault at all. do you want...? do you want hamas to release those hostages safely? as a person, as a human, i'm talking about myself. i don't want anybody to be hurt, especially civilians. i'm a civilian and i can feel that. but i'm telling you, israel cannot be trusted. even if they are released they will keep punishing the civilians. they will keep punishing the whole of gaza. and you know that the israeli government say hamas bears responsibility for what's happening in the gaza strip. no, it's not. it's not — it's not about hamas. let's backtrack to 15 years old — or more than that. what israel has been doing for that years is killing people also — at checkpoints, violating and interfering al—aqsa mosque. everywhere. they are doing that every day. and is that an explanation in your eyes for what hamas did to israeli mums and dads and kids at the weekend? it's absolutely a result. hamas is defending and resisting. it's a resistance, actually, movement. it's a resistance movement. i just want to ask you about hamas taking the lives of innocent people in southern israel and then kidnapping some elderly men and women who... they are not killed, though. even these elderly and children, people, they are, they are not killed, though. perhaps they are taking hostages, but i'm pretty sure that they are treated fairly because we as a muslim, we do not kill. we are told not to kill. this is not islam. but you do know that hamas have killed over a thou... so, let's say they are soldiers and they are in the battle. so they are fighting israeli soldiers. maybe they killed israeli soldiers. yeah. maybe this is the fact, yeah. and i think as i told you, i'm not going to defend them. but what i can see, it's a reaction for what have been doing for the past 15 years. i just want to let you know that it's notjust soldiers that are dead. they killed grandparents, parents, children. i prefer to talk about the civilians. i'm not going to go through about this — hamas or not or the israeli — because... let me ask you this — how do you see this ending? to be honest, this time, i think it's going to take time. this time is different than any other time. in my point of view, this time it's going to be... i hope that a truce will be reached soon — a ceasefire will be reached soon for all the parties. there are growing concerns in some quarters that the events of the last week could flare into a wider regional conflict. today israel fired missiles at the two main airports in its north—eastern neighbour syria, according to state media in that country. as well as amassing soldiers in the south on the border with gaza, it is also deploying troops to the north amidst concern over the potential threat from hezbollah, the iranian—backed militant force in lebanon. so let's try to unpick the complex politics of the region with nomi bar—yaacov, associate fellow for the international security programme at chatham house, an independent think—tank for international affairs, and alistair burt, twice a conservative foreign office minister, most recently as middle east minister under theresa may. welcome, both of you. nomi, first of all, the views of rana, she thinks it is israeli soldiers, it is soldiers, that have been killed, and it's not civilians in southern israel. ., �* ~ ., , israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks _ israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks that _ israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks that or - israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks that or if - israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks that or if she i israel. so, i don't know if she i really thinks that or if she feels that she has to say that, because hamas is not ruling over the civilians in gaza in a democratic fashion, so they are not really free. and i am not in a position to judge whether she actually believes that but i suspect that she has seen the videos that they have been publicising on their estate, sorry, not state, on their television, hamas television channel, and they've been broadcasting their videos of the horrific atrocities, horrific massacres, and i won't go into details, but i'm sure most of the viewers have seen them. so, i find the interview with her very disturbing, ifind that, i think 16 years of hamas rule in gaza have taken a toll, i think basically they have held the civilian population of gaza hostage. have held the civilian population of gaza hostage-— gaza hostage. what could be the wider ramifications _ gaza hostage. what could be the wider ramifications across i gaza hostage. what could be the wider ramifications across the i wider ramifications across the region of a ground invasion into gaza? . , ., ~ ., gaza? excellent question. a ground invasion is going _ gaza? excellent question. a ground invasion is going to _ gaza? excellent question. a ground invasion is going to be _ gaza? excellent question. a ground invasion is going to be very - gaza? excellent question. a ground invasion is going to be very costly, l invasion is going to be very costly, there is going to be a very high human cost, there is going to be a high humanitarian cost and it is going to be apolitical to atrophy. so, i don't think israel is in any rush to go in with ground troops. i think they realise that i think it is going to be, first they are going to bombard very heavily, in an unprecedented fashion, from the air. they've already announced that they've taken control over, or, that hamas no longer controls, has any military control, over the northern third of the gaza strip and i think their strategy is going to be to do everything they can from the air. the disturbing fact is the humanitarian situation because they have announced that they are not going to restore electricity and fuel until hamas's capacity is eradicated, until they can no longer govern and they announced today that they have a detailed list of every single individual involved in the massacre, in the planning, and that they will target each and every of them. so, in here for a long haul, and i do agree with the last speaker that it and i do agree with the last speaker thatitis and i do agree with the last speaker that it is not going to be resolved promptly. that it is not going to be resolved o-romtl. �* ,., that it is not going to be resolved --romtl.�* ,., �* that it is not going to be resolved --romtl.�* �* ~ .,, promptly. alistair burt, antony bfinken promptly. alistair burt, antony blinken having _ promptly. alistair burt, antony blinken having visited - promptly. alistair burt, antony blinken having visited and i promptly. alistair burt, antony| blinken having visited and done promptly. alistair burt, antony i blinken having visited and done that joint press 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