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just a warning, the details of the story are distressing. 52 people were killed yesterday in the attack. every family in the village has been affected. take a look at these drew pictures, showing, in the middle the cafe. the gathering was there, apparently because it was a week after a funeral. that is why so many people were in one place. the local prosecutor is saying that this was a deliberate attack by russia. the un human rights officials say that there is no military target here. it is the deadliest attack in ukraine in more than a year. russia, though, insisting again that russia does not target civilians. let's take a left at exactly where this is happening in east ukraine, in the khaki region. it is not too far from the front line. here's what explains. as you can see, a memorial has been set up in the middle of the blast zone where this missile hit yesterday. we are in a playground where most of the bodies were recovered. and eerily, the swings and the slide are still standing. and hroza is a tiny settlement. it feels very strange to be stood in such destruction in somewhere so small. you can see vehicles have been caved in by the sheer force of the blast, and such is the power generated, it's not immediately obvious what was hit. a lot of the debris has been cleared away to the side. you can see a fridge. you can see air conditioning units, twisted metal, all these signature signs of a missile strike. and then here you have the building that was directly hit, a cafe/shop where a funeral wake was taking place yesterday for a ukrainian soldier. now, as far as the prosecutor for this area is concerned, it was a deliberate attack by moscow. the use of a ballistic missile, these iskander missiles, which are fairly accurate, reinforces that claim. but for now, you just have a scene like this in a village of 300, and it impacts everyone here. it goes far beyond this scene of devastation where, once again, we see civilian areas, civilians themselves, targeted by russian missiles. and there's debris like this dotted around. and you can tell it's from a missile because it's heavy. it is dense metal. it's quite a sight for a village so small. details from james waterhouse, our correspondent. we are going to stay with the conflict in ukraine but we will head south to occupied crimea. let's take a look at the map. i have been reports of other developments. the conceit occupied korea at the south there. there have been reports that the black sea fleet has been effectively on the move, living away from its long—term naval base. the bbc hasn't been able to independently confirm any of this but we have had these satellite images of the satellite map of the fleet in place. reports suggest that the fleet has been moving try and establish what has been going on. patrick bury, senior lecturer in security at the university of bath. they you for coming of the programme. we don't have confirmation of exactly what is happening around the occupied crimea, but what is your understanding of what has been happening?— understanding of what has been ha enin: ? , ., happening? over the summer, and in the last month _ happening? over the summer, and in the last month especially, _ happening? over the summer, and in the last month especially, ukraine . the last month especially, ukraine has been tightening the screw on crimea, and especially on the black sea fleet. we know it has got the uk supplied storm shadow missiles. that is being used in the attack on the black sea fleet. at the end of september. we also have had an attack on sebastopol against the submarine and another ship damaging it. we have had numerous attacks against the missile defence systems on the peninsula, which are used basically to protect the black sea fleet. take for these things, and the fact that there have aerial and maritime rooms, which have also been successful, the black sea fleet is coming under under more pressure. 14 and 15 boats have left sevastopol and 15 boats have left sevastopol and moving further east. if you are and moving further east. if you are a family would realise that there is holes in your air defence and gaps in your coverage. a radar station was hit. therefore you can't guarantee the safety of these assets was quite interesting. what is the significance, taking a step back, what is the significance of that? the black sea fleet is, by its name, is basically dead for the black sea and the point of it really has been, in terms of a blockade of ukraine's southern ports, and stopping it getting its grain exports. podesta has drawn so the boats they get into their cards carry as much grain. there have been some efforts and some potentially running of the blockade by ukrainians but it hasn't been anywhere near the levels of export that they usually expect. i put in the black sea fleet back ukrainians will be hoping they will get the economy going a bit better. a lot of the occupied lands where they produce the grain are still taken, but they have certainly had a lot of grain that they have tried to distribute through other means, that would help them get it out that way. interesting, if it is ok, i want to ask about our correspondence, james waterhouse, and his report that we showed at the top of the programme. distressing and unimaginable for what small village is going through, with so many people killed. we have this back and forth, officials say that this was a deliberate attack from russia. russia saying that they don't attack civilians. getting to the exact truth will be very difficult. what is your assessment, given the location of that village? it is highly likely that it was russia. i think you have got to remember that russia's way of managing the message, essentially this information, is to deny and then later we would probably expect a lot of semi—plausible explanations for this. that is how they deal with these issues. if it was an iskander missile, they have a high degree of accuracy and bearing in mind it looks like it was fired at a crowd outside a cafe, then somebody has decided to do that. especially when you take into account that, as far as i understand, this was a wake for as i understand, this was a wake for a ukrainians of the's family, and also this town hadn't been shelved before, even though it is close to the front line. essentially people were probably more open to taking a bit of risk because it hadn't been shelved. a large crowd to aim at. it also indicated the air defence around the ukrainian city, even then it is fairly stretched. i just can't go to the village has never front line. it go to the village has never front line. , . . , , go to the village has never front line. , . , ., i. line. it is always good to get your expertise. _ line. it is always good to get your expertise, thank _ line. it is always good to get your expertise, thank you _ line. it is always good to get your expertise, thank you for - line. it is always good to get your expertise, thank you for talking l line. it is always good to get yourl expertise, thank you for talking us through that. we are talking about facial recognition technology. there are calls for the police and private vista stop using it. his calls from mps privacy campaigners. let's take a look at how this works. live facial recognition cameras can scan people's faces when they are out and about in public. then they can use artificial intelligence to basically compare the images that has captured of people, with effectively a watchlist or databased that is available. it is a controversial technology with plenty of different arguments on both sides. joining me now is silkie carlo who is director of the campaigning group big brother watch and dr asress gikay, a senior lecturer in al at brunel university. thank you both are coming on the programme. i really appreciate it. let's start with big brother watch�*s perspective. what is the problem with this technology? this perspective. what is the problem with this technology?— with this technology? this is a riva with this technology? this is a privacy altering _ with this technology? this is a privacy altering technology - with this technology? this is a | privacy altering technology that really changes the shape of society in which we live. it has the potential to affect the presumption of innocence, certainly our right to publicity. protest is not about rights, and it also takes up significant police vehicles. we have seen they haven't actually had much success using it whatsoever. for human rights point of view, trying to prevent discrimination, when we already have serious problems in policing but that, this is a technology that has enormous potential to do real harm, and in fact, it already has. i regularly watch the piece using facial recognition and disproportionately they identify young black boys in london. this is something that certainly needs a wider democratic debate, parliamentary scrutiny, before it is simply used at the scale but is currently being used. that is what all the parliamentarians and frights and race equality groups are calling for, an urgent stop for these things are considered. write very interesting, aboard a general point of privacy but also very specific criticism and part of that bias and its failures in certain specific instances. its failures in certain specific instances-_ its failures in certain specific instances. �*, ., a ,, instances. let's go to dr asress gika . instances. let's go to dr asress gikay- what — instances. let's go to dr asress gikay- what you _ instances. let's go to dr asress gikay. what you think - instances. let's go to dr asress gikay. what you think of - instances. let's go to dr asress gikay. what you think of his - gikay. what you think of his arguments?— gikay. what you think of his art uments? ., ,., ., , , arguments? there are so many things mentioned and _ arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i _ arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i will— arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i willjust _ arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i willjust try _ arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i willjust try to - mentioned and i willjust try to address— mentioned and i willjust try to address some of them. i think whether— address some of them. i think whether the technology should be banned _ whether the technology should be banned should be out of the question. i don't think there is strong — question. i don't think there is strong evidence to ban a technology which _ strong evidence to ban a technology which are _ strong evidence to ban a technology which are shown to have significant benefit _ which are shown to have significant benefit in _ which are shown to have significant benefit in terms of enhancing public safety _ benefit in terms of enhancing public safety and _ benefit in terms of enhancing public safety and invest the net investigation of crime. i don't know what _ investigation of crime. i don't know what areas — investigation of crime. i don't know what areas you gather data about the police _ what areas you gather data about the police use _ what areas you gather data about the police use but in uk police have been _ police use but in uk police have been successful in arresting people who are _ been successful in arresting people who are suspected of violent crimes using _ who are suspected of violent crimes using faciat— who are suspected of violent crimes using facial recognition. after having — using facial recognition. after having studied several appointments by south—west police researchers from _ by south—west police researchers from the — by south—west police researchers from the university of cardiff have noted _ from the university of cardiff have noted that — from the university of cardiff have noted that evidence suggests that technology contributes to identifying persons of interest they would _ identifying persons of interest they would otherwise have not been able to do _ would otherwise have not been able to do so _ would otherwise have not been able to do so i_ would otherwise have not been able to do so. i have studied multiple deployments by myself and there were a number— deployments by myself and there were a number of arrests that were made by using _ a number of arrests that were made by using the technology. i think the technology has ended benefits in terms _ technology has ended benefits in terms of — technology has ended benefits in terms of enhancing public safety, but privacy violation is, of course, a concern — but privacy violation is, of course, a concern. privacy right, as we know it, a concern. privacy right, as we know it. is— a concern. privacy right, as we know it. is not— a concern. privacy right, as we know it. is not an — a concern. privacy right, as we know it, is not an absolute right. let�*s it, is not an absolute right. let's ut that it, is not an absolute right. let's put that right- — it, is not an absolute right. let's put that right. we _ it, is not an absolute right. let's put that right. we have - it, is not an absolute right. let's put that right. we have the - it, is not an absolute right. let�*s put that right. we have the right to privacy, of course, but it is not absolute, active, and their cases where this is proving successful in keeping the safer. i where this is proving successful in keeping the safer.— keeping the safer. i want to say that the case — keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for _ keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for a _ keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for a ban - keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for a ban is - keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for a ban is a - keeping the safer. i want to say l that the case for a ban is a strong one. european union is currently passing a ban on live facial recognition. that is the trend in the democratic world. that is what many american cities have done so. it is certainly something serious that the uk should be looking at. in terms of the success rate and accuracy, where we get our figures from the police themselves. they actually published. we do freedom of information packs but now the police proactively publishes figures. the cardiff report that was referred to found a high degree of inaccuracy. why right, there have been a small number of arrests, but they remind that that the is a pounds has been spent on this technology, that when it is deployed, there are 20 or so police officers looking down at screens waiting for matches. in terms of the input to the game that police are getting, it is not there. for example, at a sporting event recently, in northamptonshire, was half a million people's faces were scanned, 400,000 people had their faces can. and there wasn't a single match. prevacid isn't an absolute right but they have to be proportionate about how you do things. at that level of intrusion, basically treating members of the public like they are in a police line—up, is absolutely extraordinary. we see it in china, was set in russia and saudi arabia. i don't think we should see this in britain. �* , ., i don't think we should see this in britain. �*, ., . ,, ., i don't think we should see this in britain. �*, ., ., , i don't think we should see this in britain. �*, ., a ,, britain. let's go back to dr asress gika . britain. let's go back to dr asress gikay- you _ britain. let's go back to dr asress gikay- you have — britain. let's go back to dr asress gikay. you have concerns - britain. let's go back to dr asress gikay. you have concerns about . britain. let's go back to dr asress i gikay. you have concerns about that number of people's faces being scanned like that?— number of people's faces being scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light _ scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light of _ scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light of the _ scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light of the fact - scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light of the fact that l think, in light of the fact that this technology is used to investigate crime and to identify usually— investigate crime and to identify usually violent offenders, without arrest _ usually violent offenders, without arrest warrants, or in some cases, to look— arrest warrants, or in some cases, to look at— arrest warrants, or in some cases, to look at vulnerable persons such as missing — to look at vulnerable persons such as missing children, the infringements upon our privacy something that we should be able to live with _ something that we should be able to live with in — something that we should be able to live with. in the first place this technology is deployed areas where the public are likely to have a privacy — the public are likely to have a privacy expectation. they are not being _ privacy expectation. they are not being deployed in areas such as schools. — being deployed in areas such as schools, health care centres, religious— schools, health care centres, religious centres, or any other gathering _ religious centres, or any other gathering places where the public have a _ gathering places where the public have a high privacy expectation. these _ have a high privacy expectation. these are — have a high privacy expectation. these are simply public squares. there _ these are simply public squares. there is— these are simply public squares. there is simply nothing interesting to have _ there is simply nothing interesting to have the police that individuals in these _ to have the police that individuals in these kinds of places would be given _ in these kinds of places would be given to— in these kinds of places would be given. to call it intrusive is i think— given. to call it intrusive is i think an _ given. to call it intrusive is i think an overstatement. also we know that there _ think an overstatement. also we know that there are some limitations to the technology's capability. it doesn't — the technology's capability. it doesn't automatically save our facial— doesn't automatically save our facial images for personal data. onty— facial images for personal data. only persons that are matched, faces of person _ only persons that are matched, faces of person that i matched are saved on some _ of person that i matched are saved on some kind of database and after that deleted automatically. i think the privacy infringement is overstated. dr the privacy infringement is overstated.— the privacy infringement is overstated. , a ,, ., overstated. dr asress gikay and silkie carlo, _ overstated. dr asress gikay and same carlo, it _ overstated. dr asress gikay and silkie carlo, it is _ overstated. dr asress gikay and silkie carlo, it is a _ overstated. dr asress gikay and silkie carlo, it is a crucial - overstated. dr asress gikay and | silkie carlo, it is a crucial debate to be having. thank you both very much indeed for coming on. i want to give the home of his statement on this. the government was committed to make sure the police had the tools and technology to solve an ant crimes, bring offenders tojustice, and keep people safe. facial recognition, including live facial recognition, including live facial recognition, has a sound legal basis and that has been confirmed by the courts. as i mentioned, a crucial debate that will rage, no doubt. this is bbc news. a man has appeared in court charged with plotting to kidnap and murder one of britain's best known tv presenters — holly willoughby. gavin plumb, who's 36 and from harlow in essex, was remanded in custody. ms willoughby didn't appear on yesterday's edition of this morning — itv said it's providing full support to her and herfamily at a very distressing time. the royal college of nursing is urging the government to scrap an increase in the cost of a health and care visa, which they warn will make the uk a less attractive place to work. the college says the increase may make nursing unaffordable. the most vulnerable children will be living with the long shadow of the covid experience for the next 10 or 20 years, according to the former children's commissioner for england. anne longfield told the covid—i9 inquiry that, on occasions, the government's decisions were "incoherent" and that they were "indifferent" to the impact on children. you're live with bbc news. thank you for your company. next we will look at the nobel peace prize. an iranian human rights activist — who remains injail in one of tehran's most notorious prisons. narges mohammadi is an iranian women's rights advocate. she's been arrested 13 times, convicted on five occasions and is currently serving a 31—year prison sentence. bbc persian's bahman kalbasi has interviewed narges mohammadi's husband and son. translation: how do you feel about narges having won - the nobel peace prize? what is your feeling when you heard the news? i was in a class and couldn't show much emotion. but what went through your mind? i was very happy and felt proud of my mum. it took a few moments for me to come to terms with it, so in the beginning, i wasjust happy and proud of my mum, just like i'm always, like yesterday and the day before that. this award belongs to iranian people. it is because of the protests. when did you last talk to your mum? about a year and six or eight months ago, but she is always in my heart. if you could talk to her now, what would you say? mum, i'm very proud of you. be brave, like always. i love you very much. take care of yourself. we are all proud of you here and always stand behind you. mr rahmani, what about you? when the announcer said "women, l life, freedom" in the beginning l of her remarks, i knew that the award had - been given to narges. it made me glad, but i've gone through many ups and downs l in my life and i know that this prize, apart from bringing joy| to its receiver, would carry a lot of responsibilities with it. - i narges is a representative of all. those whom this prize has gone to. it belongs to women, life, freedom, lwhich was a huge movement in iranl and still continues to exist. it makes me very happy. it is the biggest prize one can- receive as a human rights activist. formerly, ms ebadi, from iran, had received the prize. - narges had made huge efforts, - and i hope those efforts can create unity among those who are fighting j in iran in order to achieve freedom, equality and democracy. it is not easy, but i- believe it can be done. we have witnessed the changes that i have happened in iranian society. i the women, life, freedom movement i has spread like veins in the body. of the iranian society, _ and it should connect to the main arteries to reach a decisive point in an effort to achieve freedom. i we hope that the international community will pay more - attention to the struggles of the iranian people. - we can talk now to the bbc�*s lyse doucet about how the iranian regime may be reacting to the prize. thank you for coming on. it is certainly going to be shining a light on what has been happening in iran. what you think the symbolism and significance of this is? that; iran. what you think the symbolism and significance of this is? mar; i and significance of this is? may i 'ust sa and significance of this is? may i just say that. — and significance of this is? may i just say that. i — and significance of this is? may i just say that, i am _ and significance of this is? may i just say that, i am sure - and significance of this is? may i just say that, i am sure many . and significance of this is? may i just say that, i am sure many of| and significance of this is? may i i just say that, i am sure many of our viewers have been touched by that interview that we just saw of her so, her husband, who himself has served more than 40 years in iran's victorious prison. a mixture of both pride and pain. the 16—year—old sign and his twin haven't been in their mother's arms for about eight years, and as he said, he hasn't spoken to his motherfor more and as he said, he hasn't spoken to his mother for more than a year. they are now in exile in france. there were so quick to say that this was an award, notjust for their mother, who has suffered tremendously, by spending so much of her life in prison, but it is for all of the billing of iran. that is what the nobel committee said, as well. this was too well mohamedi, for being a campaigner against women's oppression, fight for human rights, and of course there has been a wave of appreciation among iranian activists, campaigners, citizens in iran, expressing their congratulations and expressing appreciation for back to's sacrifice for the important causes. but also saying that this has inspired them, that this will give more momentum to theirfights for greater that this will give more momentum to their fights for greater rights for women in iran and also, in the broader struggle for human rights. it should be said that the official reaction from iran was that this was just an example of how the nobel peace prize had not been politicised, was being used by western nations to pursue its foreign policy, and indeed, it could have the opposite effect, that the iranians will crack down and further. ., , iranians will crack down and further. . , .. , iranians will crack down and further. . , , ., further. there have been calls for her release. _ further. there have been calls for her release, to _ further. there have been calls for her release, to be _ further. there have been calls for her release, to be able _ further. there have been calls for her release, to be able to - further. there have been calls for her release, to be able to attend| her release, to be able to attend the ceremony. the chancers, it is imagined of something like that, almost zero. it imagined of something like that, almost zero-— almost zero. it is not the first time that _ almost zero. it is not the first time that the _ almost zero. it is not the first time that the nobel— almost zero. it is not the first | time that the nobel committee almost zero. it is not the first - time that the nobel committee has given this prize, one of the world's most important prizes, when it comes to the sort of bravery and commitment by human rights defenders and campaigners for peace. it is not the first time that it has been given to people who are in detention. it would be highly unlikely. one shouldn't call it out, but it would be highly unlikely. narges did have a furlough which is allowed to go home, but given what the iranians have said so far about the iranians have said so far about the award, it seems quite unlikely. of course it comes at a very sensitive moment in iran. just a few weeks ago it marked one year of the start of what had been an unprecedented way of protests across iran. within that protest, sparked by the death in custody of 22, a kurdish iranian woman was allegedly detained for improper clothing in the eyes of the virtue and vice police in iran.— the eyes of the virtue and vice police in iran. thank you so much for providing _ police in iran. thank you so much for providing is _ police in iran. thank you so much for providing is never _ police in iran. thank you so much for providing is never the - police in iran. thank you so muchj for providing is never the context and background. thank you for coming in the programme. that isjust and background. thank you for coming in the programme. that is just about it. iwill in the programme. that is just about it. i will be back injust a in the programme. that is just about it. i will be back in just a few minutes' time. i am there was for jones. this is bbc news. hello. friday brought us a bit of a mixed day weather—wise across the uk. some rain in the north and north—west, some sunshine towards the south. the next few days, a big contrast in temperature. warmer than average by quite a bit across much of england, wales and northern ireland. colder than average for scotland, particularly during the weekend, we're going to see some really heavy rain moving in. up to about 150, perhaps even 180 millimetres of rain accumulating over the next few days. that's enough to cause some problems, so the met office have issued an amber weather warning for the risk of some flooding and disruption to perhaps travel, power networks as well across this zone. now, all that wet weather is due to this frontal system here, which is going to be really slow—moving into the weekend, especially so on saturday. we've got high pressure further south. so as we head through the rest of this evening and overnight, we've already got that front with us. it's going to be pushing a bit further north. so drying up for parts of northern ireland and northern england, but the rain becoming particularly persistent and heavy across central parts of scotland first thing tomorrow morning. reasonably mild for most of us, especially towards the south, with those overnight temperatures in the mid—teens. could be a bit of low cloud, mist and murk particularly around some of these irish sea coasts to start your saturday morning. but long spells of sunshine, really, for much of england, wales and northern ireland. a bit of high cloud drifting around, a bit hazy. heavy rain, though, across central parts of scotland. those rainfall totals really mounting up. now, in the sunshine in the south, we could see temperatures as high as 24—25 degrees in one or two spots. whereas further north, contrast that to aberdeen, just nine degrees sitting under the cloud with the rain as well. so very big contrasts, really, all round in the weather through the weekend. for sunday, we've still got the rain across scotland. it'll slowly lift northwards, so gradually drying out for some central and western areas. best of the sunshine again will be further south, and temperatures perhaps a degree down compared to saturday. 23 or so for the warmest spots, and not quite as chilly across parts of scotland. into monday, that rain will have cleared away. a bit of a cool northerly breeze across the north of scotland, but a dry day for most of us, i think. there will be areas of cloud drifting around, some hazy sunshine and temperatures generally in the mid—to—high teens in the north. but again, the mid—20s possible towards the south. that warm weather then holds on into tuesday for some southern areas, but we'll start to see more showers from wednesday onwards as temperatures return to more typical for the time of year. bye— bye. hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones. you're watching the context on bbc news. the white house invites xi jinping to visit san francisco next month to meet president biden but, china is yet to accept. sport now and a full round up from the bbc plenty more on that in just a moment. sport now and a full round up from the bbc sport centre. hello. we're starting at the rugby world cup where hosts 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just a warning, the details of the story are distressing. 52 people were killed yesterday in the attack. every family in the village has been affected. take a look at these drew pictures, showing, in the middle the cafe. the gathering was there, apparently because it was a week after a funeral. that is why so many people were in one place. the local prosecutor is saying that this was a deliberate attack by russia. the un human rights officials say that there is no military target here. it is the deadliest attack in ukraine in more than a year. russia, though, insisting again that russia does not target civilians. let's take a left at exactly where this is happening in east ukraine, in the khaki region. it is not too far from the front line. here's what explains. as you can see, a memorial has been set up in the middle of the blast zone where this missile hit yesterday. we are in a playground where most of the bodies were recovered. and eerily, the swings and the slide are still standing. and hroza is a tiny settlement. it feels very strange to be stood in such destruction in somewhere so small. you can see vehicles have been caved in by the sheer force of the blast, and such is the power generated, it's not immediately obvious what was hit. a lot of the debris has been cleared away to the side. you can see a fridge. you can see air conditioning units, twisted metal, all these signature signs of a missile strike. and then here you have the building that was directly hit, a cafe/shop where a funeral wake was taking place yesterday for a ukrainian soldier. now, as far as the prosecutor for this area is concerned, it was a deliberate attack by moscow. the use of a ballistic missile, these iskander missiles, which are fairly accurate, reinforces that claim. but for now, you just have a scene like this in a village of 300, and it impacts everyone here. it goes far beyond this scene of devastation where, once again, we see civilian areas, civilians themselves, targeted by russian missiles. and there's debris like this dotted around. and you can tell it's from a missile because it's heavy. it is dense metal. it's quite a sight for a village so small. details from james waterhouse, our correspondent. we are going to stay with the conflict in ukraine but we will head south to occupied crimea. let's take a look at the map. i have been reports of other developments. the conceit occupied korea at the south there. there have been reports that the black sea fleet has been effectively on the move, living away from its long—term naval base. the bbc hasn't been able to independently confirm any of this but we have had these satellite images of the satellite map of the fleet in place. reports suggest that the fleet has been moving try and establish what has been going on. patrick bury, senior lecturer in security at the university of bath. they you for coming of the programme. we don't have confirmation of exactly what is happening around the occupied crimea, but what is your understanding of what has been happening?— understanding of what has been ha enin: ? , ., happening? over the summer, and in the last month _ happening? over the summer, and in the last month especially, _ happening? over the summer, and in the last month especially, ukraine . the last month especially, ukraine has been tightening the screw on crimea, and especially on the black sea fleet. we know it has got the uk supplied storm shadow missiles. that is being used in the attack on the black sea fleet. at the end of september. we also have had an attack on sebastopol against the submarine and another ship damaging it. we have had numerous attacks against the missile defence systems on the peninsula, which are used basically to protect the black sea fleet. take for these things, and the fact that there have aerial and maritime rooms, which have also been successful, the black sea fleet is coming under under more pressure. 14 and 15 boats have left sevastopol and 15 boats have left sevastopol and moving further east. if you are and moving further east. if you are a family would realise that there is holes in your air defence and gaps in your coverage. a radar station was hit. therefore you can't guarantee the safety of these assets was quite interesting. what is the significance, taking a step back, what is the significance of that? the black sea fleet is, by its name, is basically dead for the black sea and the point of it really has been, in terms of a blockade of ukraine's southern ports, and stopping it getting its grain exports. podesta has drawn so the boats they get into their cards carry as much grain. there have been some efforts and some potentially running of the blockade by ukrainians but it hasn't been anywhere near the levels of export that they usually expect. i put in the black sea fleet back ukrainians will be hoping they will get the economy going a bit better. a lot of the occupied lands where they produce the grain are still taken, but they have certainly had a lot of grain that they have tried to distribute through other means, that would help them get it out that way. interesting, if it is ok, i want to ask about our correspondence, james waterhouse, and his report that we showed at the top of the programme. distressing and unimaginable for what small village is going through, with so many people killed. we have this back and forth, officials say that this was a deliberate attack from russia. russia saying that they don't attack civilians. getting to the exact truth will be very difficult. what is your assessment, given the location of that village? it is highly likely that it was russia. i think you have got to remember that russia's way of managing the message, essentially this information, is to deny and then later we would probably expect a lot of semi—plausible explanations for this. that is how they deal with these issues. if it was an iskander missile, they have a high degree of accuracy and bearing in mind it looks like it was fired at a crowd outside a cafe, then somebody has decided to do that. especially when you take into account that, as far as i understand, this was a wake for as i understand, this was a wake for a ukrainians of the's family, and also this town hadn't been shelved before, even though it is close to the front line. essentially people were probably more open to taking a bit of risk because it hadn't been shelved. a large crowd to aim at. it also indicated the air defence around the ukrainian city, even then it is fairly stretched. i just can't go to the village has never front line. it go to the village has never front line. , . . , , go to the village has never front line. , . , ., i. line. it is always good to get your expertise. _ line. it is always good to get your expertise, thank _ line. it is always good to get your expertise, thank you _ line. it is always good to get your expertise, thank you for - line. it is always good to get your expertise, thank you for talking l line. it is always good to get yourl expertise, thank you for talking us through that. we are talking about facial recognition technology. there are calls for the police and private vista stop using it. his calls from mps privacy campaigners. let's take a look at how this works. live facial recognition cameras can scan people's faces when they are out and about in public. then they can use artificial intelligence to basically compare the images that has captured of people, with effectively a watchlist or databased that is available. it is a controversial technology with plenty of different arguments on both sides. joining me now is silkie carlo who is director of the campaigning group big brother watch and dr asress gikay, a senior lecturer in al at brunel university. thank you both are coming on the programme. i really appreciate it. let's start with big brother watch�*s perspective. what is the problem with this technology? this perspective. what is the problem with this technology?— with this technology? this is a riva with this technology? this is a privacy altering _ with this technology? this is a privacy altering technology - with this technology? this is a | privacy altering technology that really changes the shape of society in which we live. it has the potential to affect the presumption of innocence, certainly our right to publicity. protest is not about rights, and it also takes up significant police vehicles. we have seen they haven't actually had much success using it whatsoever. for human rights point of view, trying to prevent discrimination, when we already have serious problems in policing but that, this is a technology that has enormous potential to do real harm, and in fact, it already has. i regularly watch the piece using facial recognition and disproportionately they identify young black boys in london. this is something that certainly needs a wider democratic debate, parliamentary scrutiny, before it is simply used at the scale but is currently being used. that is what all the parliamentarians and frights and race equality groups are calling for, an urgent stop for these things are considered. write very interesting, aboard a general point of privacy but also very specific criticism and part of that bias and its failures in certain specific instances. its failures in certain specific instances-_ its failures in certain specific instances. �*, ., a ,, instances. let's go to dr asress gika . instances. let's go to dr asress gikay- what — instances. let's go to dr asress gikay- what you _ instances. let's go to dr asress gikay. what you think - instances. let's go to dr asress gikay. what you think of - instances. let's go to dr asress gikay. what you think of his - gikay. what you think of his arguments?— gikay. what you think of his art uments? ., ,., ., , , arguments? there are so many things mentioned and _ arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i _ arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i will— arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i willjust _ arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i willjust try _ arguments? there are so many things mentioned and i willjust try to - mentioned and i willjust try to address— mentioned and i willjust try to address some of them. i think whether— address some of them. i think whether the technology should be banned _ whether the technology should be banned should be out of the question. i don't think there is strong — question. i don't think there is strong evidence to ban a technology which _ strong evidence to ban a technology which are _ strong evidence to ban a technology which are shown to have significant benefit _ which are shown to have significant benefit in _ which are shown to have significant benefit in terms of enhancing public safety _ benefit in terms of enhancing public safety and _ benefit in terms of enhancing public safety and invest the net investigation of crime. i don't know what _ investigation of crime. i don't know what areas — investigation of crime. i don't know what areas you gather data about the police _ what areas you gather data about the police use _ what areas you gather data about the police use but in uk police have been _ police use but in uk police have been successful in arresting people who are _ been successful in arresting people who are suspected of violent crimes using _ who are suspected of violent crimes using faciat— who are suspected of violent crimes using facial recognition. after having — using facial recognition. after having studied several appointments by south—west police researchers from _ by south—west police researchers from the — by south—west police researchers from the university of cardiff have noted _ from the university of cardiff have noted that — from the university of cardiff have noted that evidence suggests that technology contributes to identifying persons of interest they would _ identifying persons of interest they would otherwise have not been able to do _ would otherwise have not been able to do so _ would otherwise have not been able to do so i_ would otherwise have not been able to do so. i have studied multiple deployments by myself and there were a number— deployments by myself and there were a number of arrests that were made by using _ a number of arrests that were made by using the technology. i think the technology has ended benefits in terms _ technology has ended benefits in terms of — technology has ended benefits in terms of enhancing public safety, but privacy violation is, of course, a concern — but privacy violation is, of course, a concern. privacy right, as we know it, a concern. privacy right, as we know it. is— a concern. privacy right, as we know it. is not— a concern. privacy right, as we know it. is not an — a concern. privacy right, as we know it, is not an absolute right. let�*s it, is not an absolute right. let's ut that it, is not an absolute right. let's put that right- — it, is not an absolute right. let's put that right. we _ it, is not an absolute right. let's put that right. we have - it, is not an absolute right. let's put that right. we have the - it, is not an absolute right. let�*s put that right. we have the right to privacy, of course, but it is not absolute, active, and their cases where this is proving successful in keeping the safer. i where this is proving successful in keeping the safer.— keeping the safer. i want to say that the case — keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for _ keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for a _ keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for a ban - keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for a ban is - keeping the safer. i want to say that the case for a ban is a - keeping the safer. i want to say l that the case for a ban is a strong one. european union is currently passing a ban on live facial recognition. that is the trend in the democratic world. that is what many american cities have done so. it is certainly something serious that the uk should be looking at. in terms of the success rate and accuracy, where we get our figures from the police themselves. they actually published. we do freedom of information packs but now the police proactively publishes figures. the cardiff report that was referred to found a high degree of inaccuracy. why right, there have been a small number of arrests, but they remind that that the is a pounds has been spent on this technology, that when it is deployed, there are 20 or so police officers looking down at screens waiting for matches. in terms of the input to the game that police are getting, it is not there. for example, at a sporting event recently, in northamptonshire, was half a million people's faces were scanned, 400,000 people had their faces can. and there wasn't a single match. prevacid isn't an absolute right but they have to be proportionate about how you do things. at that level of intrusion, basically treating members of the public like they are in a police line—up, is absolutely extraordinary. we see it in china, was set in russia and saudi arabia. i don't think we should see this in britain. �* , ., i don't think we should see this in britain. �*, ., . ,, ., i don't think we should see this in britain. �*, ., ., , i don't think we should see this in britain. �*, ., a ,, britain. let's go back to dr asress gika . britain. let's go back to dr asress gikay- you _ britain. let's go back to dr asress gikay- you have — britain. let's go back to dr asress gikay. you have concerns - britain. let's go back to dr asress gikay. you have concerns about . britain. let's go back to dr asress i gikay. you have concerns about that number of people's faces being scanned like that?— number of people's faces being scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light _ scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light of _ scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light of the _ scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light of the fact - scanned like that? thank you, i think, in light of the fact that l think, in light of the fact that this technology is used to investigate crime and to identify usually— investigate crime and to identify usually violent offenders, without arrest _ usually violent offenders, without arrest warrants, or in some cases, to look— arrest warrants, or in some cases, to look at— arrest warrants, or in some cases, to look at vulnerable persons such as missing — to look at vulnerable persons such as missing children, the infringements upon our privacy something that we should be able to live with _ something that we should be able to live with in — something that we should be able to live with. in the first place this technology is deployed areas where the public are likely to have a privacy — the public are likely to have a privacy expectation. they are not being _ privacy expectation. they are not being deployed in areas such as schools. — being deployed in areas such as schools, health care centres, religious— schools, health care centres, religious centres, or any other gathering _ religious centres, or any other gathering places where the public have a _ gathering places where the public have a high privacy expectation. these _ have a high privacy expectation. these are — have a high privacy expectation. these are simply public squares. there _ these are simply public squares. there is— these are simply public squares. there is simply nothing interesting to have _ there is simply nothing interesting to have the police that individuals in these _ to have the police that individuals in these kinds of places would be given _ in these kinds of places would be given to— in these kinds of places would be given. to call it intrusive is i think— given. to call it intrusive is i think an _ given. to call it intrusive is i think an overstatement. also we know that there _ think an overstatement. also we know that there are some limitations to the technology's capability. it doesn't — the technology's capability. it doesn't automatically save our facial— doesn't automatically save our facial images for personal data. onty— facial images for personal data. only persons that are matched, faces of person _ only persons that are matched, faces of person that i matched are saved on some _ of person that i matched are saved on some kind of database and after that deleted automatically. i think the privacy infringement is overstated. dr the privacy infringement is overstated.— the privacy infringement is overstated. , a ,, ., overstated. dr asress gikay and silkie carlo, _ overstated. dr asress gikay and same carlo, it _ overstated. dr asress gikay and silkie carlo, it is _ overstated. dr asress gikay and silkie carlo, it is a _ overstated. dr asress gikay and silkie carlo, it is a crucial - overstated. dr asress gikay and | silkie carlo, it is a crucial debate to be having. thank you both very much indeed for coming on. i want to give the home of his statement on this. the government was committed to make sure the police had the tools and technology to solve an ant crimes, bring offenders tojustice, and keep people safe. facial recognition, including live facial recognition, including live facial recognition, has a sound legal basis and that has been confirmed by the courts. as i mentioned, a crucial debate that will rage, no doubt. this is bbc news. a man has appeared in court charged with plotting to kidnap and murder one of britain's best known tv presenters — holly willoughby. gavin plumb, who's 36 and from harlow in essex, was remanded in custody. ms willoughby didn't appear on yesterday's edition of this morning — itv said it's providing full support to her and herfamily at a very distressing time. the royal college of nursing is urging the government to scrap an increase in the cost of a health and care visa, which they warn will make the uk a less attractive place to work. the college says the increase may make nursing unaffordable. the most vulnerable children will be living with the long shadow of the covid experience for the next 10 or 20 years, according to the former children's commissioner for england. anne longfield told the covid—i9 inquiry that, on occasions, the government's decisions were "incoherent" and that they were "indifferent" to the impact on children. you're live with bbc news. thank you for your company. next we will look at the nobel peace prize. an iranian human rights activist — who remains injail in one of tehran's most notorious prisons. narges mohammadi is an iranian women's rights advocate. she's been arrested 13 times, convicted on five occasions and is currently serving a 31—year prison sentence. bbc persian's bahman kalbasi has interviewed narges mohammadi's husband and son. translation: how do you feel about narges having won - the nobel peace prize? what is your feeling when you heard the news? i was in a class and couldn't show much emotion. but what went through your mind? i was very happy and felt proud of my mum. it took a few moments for me to come to terms with it, so in the beginning, i wasjust happy and proud of my mum, just like i'm always, like yesterday and the day before that. this award belongs to iranian people. it is because of the protests. when did you last talk to your mum? about a year and six or eight months ago, but she is always in my heart. if you could talk to her now, what would you say? mum, i'm very proud of you. be brave, like always. i love you very much. take care of yourself. we are all proud of you here and always stand behind you. mr rahmani, what about you? when the announcer said "women, l life, freedom" in the beginning l of her remarks, i knew that the award had - been given to narges. it made me glad, but i've gone through many ups and downs l in my life and i know that this prize, apart from bringing joy| to its receiver, would carry a lot of responsibilities with it. - i narges is a representative of all. those whom this prize has gone to. it belongs to women, life, freedom, lwhich was a huge movement in iranl and still continues to exist. it makes me very happy. it is the biggest prize one can- receive as a human rights activist. formerly, ms ebadi, from iran, had received the prize. - narges had made huge efforts, - and i hope those efforts can create unity among those who are fighting j in iran in order to achieve freedom, equality and democracy. it is not easy, but i- believe it can be done. we have witnessed the changes that i have happened in iranian society. i the women, life, freedom movement i has spread like veins in the body. of the iranian society, _ and it should connect to the main arteries to reach a decisive point in an effort to achieve freedom. i we hope that the international community will pay more - attention to the struggles of the iranian people. - we can talk now to the bbc�*s lyse doucet about how the iranian regime may be reacting to the prize. thank you for coming on. it is certainly going to be shining a light on what has been happening in iran. what you think the symbolism and significance of this is? that; iran. what you think the symbolism and significance of this is? mar; i and significance of this is? may i 'ust sa and significance of this is? may i just say that. — and significance of this is? may i just say that. i — and significance of this is? may i just say that, i am _ and significance of this is? may i just say that, i am sure - and significance of this is? may i just say that, i am sure many . and significance of this is? may i just say that, i am sure many of| and significance of this is? may i i just say that, i am sure many of our viewers have been touched by that interview that we just saw of her so, her husband, who himself has served more than 40 years in iran's victorious prison. a mixture of both pride and pain. the 16—year—old sign and his twin haven't been in their mother's arms for about eight years, and as he said, he hasn't spoken to his motherfor more and as he said, he hasn't spoken to his mother for more than a year. they are now in exile in france. there were so quick to say that this was an award, notjust for their mother, who has suffered tremendously, by spending so much of her life in prison, but it is for all of the billing of iran. that is what the nobel committee said, as well. this was too well mohamedi, for being a campaigner against women's oppression, fight for human rights, and of course there has been a wave of appreciation among iranian activists, campaigners, citizens in iran, expressing their congratulations and expressing appreciation for back to's sacrifice for the important causes. but also saying that this has inspired them, that this will give more momentum to theirfights for greater that this will give more momentum to their fights for greater rights for women in iran and also, in the broader struggle for human rights. it should be said that the official reaction from iran was that this was just an example of how the nobel peace prize had not been politicised, was being used by western nations to pursue its foreign policy, and indeed, it could have the opposite effect, that the iranians will crack down and further. ., , iranians will crack down and further. . , .. , iranians will crack down and further. . , , ., further. there have been calls for her release. _ further. there have been calls for her release, to _ further. there have been calls for her release, to be _ further. there have been calls for her release, to be able _ further. there have been calls for her release, to be able to - further. there have been calls for her release, to be able to attend| her release, to be able to attend the ceremony. the chancers, it is imagined of something like that, almost zero. it imagined of something like that, almost zero-— almost zero. it is not the first time that _ almost zero. it is not the first time that the _ almost zero. it is not the first time that the nobel— almost zero. it is not the first | time that the nobel committee almost zero. it is not the first - time that the nobel committee has given this prize, one of the world's most important prizes, when it comes to the sort of bravery and commitment by human rights defenders and campaigners for peace. it is not the first time that it has been given to people who are in detention. it would be highly unlikely. one shouldn't call it out, but it would be highly unlikely. narges did have a furlough which is allowed to go home, but given what the iranians have said so far about the iranians have said so far about the award, it seems quite unlikely. of course it comes at a very sensitive moment in iran. just a few weeks ago it marked one year of the start of what had been an unprecedented way of protests across iran. within that protest, sparked by the death in custody of 22, a kurdish iranian woman was allegedly detained for improper clothing in the eyes of the virtue and vice police in iran.— the eyes of the virtue and vice police in iran. thank you so much for providing _ police in iran. thank you so much for providing is _ police in iran. thank you so much for providing is never _ police in iran. thank you so much for providing is never the - police in iran. thank you so muchj for providing is never the context and background. thank you for coming in the programme. that isjust and background. thank you for coming in the programme. that is just about it. iwill in the programme. that is just about it. i will be back injust a in the programme. that is just about it. i will be back in just a few minutes' time. i am there was for jones. this is bbc news. hello. friday brought us a bit of a mixed day weather—wise across the uk. some rain in the north and north—west, some sunshine towards the south. the next few days, a big contrast in temperature. warmer than average by quite a bit across much of england, wales and northern ireland. colder than average for scotland, particularly during the weekend, we're going to see some really heavy rain moving in. up to about 150, perhaps even 180 millimetres of rain accumulating over the next few days. that's enough to cause some problems, so the met office have issued an amber weather warning for the risk of some flooding and disruption to perhaps travel, power networks as well across this zone. now, all that wet weather is due to this frontal system here, which is going to be really slow—moving into the weekend, especially so on saturday. we've got high pressure further south. so as we head through the rest of this evening and overnight, we've already got that front with us. it's going to be pushing a bit further north. so drying up for parts of northern ireland and northern england, but the rain becoming particularly persistent and heavy across central parts of scotland first thing tomorrow morning. reasonably mild for most of us, especially towards the south, with those overnight temperatures in the mid—teens. could be a bit of low cloud, mist and murk particularly around some of these irish sea coasts to start your saturday morning. but long spells of sunshine, really, for much of england, wales and northern ireland. a bit of high cloud drifting around, a bit hazy. heavy rain, though, across central parts of scotland. those rainfall totals really mounting up. now, in the sunshine in the south, we could see temperatures as high as 24—25 degrees in one or two spots. whereas further north, contrast that to aberdeen, just nine degrees sitting under the cloud with the rain as well. so very big contrasts, really, all round in the weather through the weekend. for sunday, we've still got the rain across scotland. it'll slowly lift northwards, so gradually drying out for some central and western areas. best of the sunshine again will be further south, and temperatures perhaps a degree down compared to saturday. 23 or so for the warmest spots, and not quite as chilly across parts of scotland. into monday, that rain will have cleared away. a bit of a cool northerly breeze across the north of scotland, but a dry day for most of us, i think. there will be areas of cloud drifting around, some hazy sunshine and temperatures generally in the mid—to—high teens in the north. but again, the mid—20s possible towards the south. that warm weather then holds on into tuesday for some southern areas, but we'll start to see more showers from wednesday onwards as temperatures return to more typical for the time of year. bye— bye. hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones. you're watching the context on bbc news. the white house invites xi jinping to visit san francisco next month to meet president biden but, china is yet to accept. sport now and a full round up from the bbc plenty more on that in just a moment. sport now and a full round up from the bbc sport centre. hello. we're starting at the rugby world cup where hosts france can seal their place in the quarter finals with victory over italy. we're about half an hour into their match in lyon and france are already well ahead. they are leading 24—0. italy have never got through to the knock—out stages of a world cup and it's not looking likely this time. they need to beat france with a bonus point to guarantee to do that this time. but france are well ahead already. it's day two of the cricket world cup and pakistan began their campaign with a comfortable win over the netherlands. they beat them by 81 runs in hyderabad asjoe lynsky reports. just to be here is a breakthrough for cricket in the netherlands. they have not reached this world cup since 2011 and through their squad is spirit. paul spent the lockdown is a delivery driver but now much of this team of full time

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