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our correspondentjames waterhouse spent the day in hroza to see the scene of the attack. he spoke to locals and officials about what happened. he says with a local population ofjust over 300, the impact of this attack goes beyond just the blast zone. as you can see, a memorial has been set up in the middle of the blast zone where this missile hit yesterday. we are in a playground where most of the bodies were recovered. and eerily, the swings and the slide are still standing. and hroza is a tiny settlement. it feels very strange to be stood in such destruction in somewhere so small. you can see vehicles have been caved in by the sheer force of the blast, and such is the power generated, it's not immediately obvious what was hit. a lot of the debris has been cleared away to the side. you can see a fridge. you can see air conditioning units, twisted metal, all these signature signs of a missile strike. and then here you have the building that was directly hit, a cafe/shop where a funeral wake was taking place yesterday for a ukrainian soldier. now, as far as the prosecutor for this area is concerned, it was a deliberate attack by moscow. the use of a ballistic missile, these iskander missiles, which are fairly accurate, reinforces that claim. but for now, you just have a scene like this in a village of 300, and it impacts everyone here. it goes far beyond this scene of devastation where, once again, we see civilian areas, civilians themselves, targeted by russian missiles. and there's debris like this dotted around. and you can tell it's from a missile because it's heavy. it is dense metal. it's quite a sight for a village so small. elizabeth throssell is a un human rights spokesperson she gave me her views on te latest airstrikes. the on te latest airstrikes. un commissioner for humai expressed the un commissionerfor human rights expressed shock and condemned the killings as a result of the strike on the village. we are sending human rights officers to this site to try to establish more about what happened there. it is aftershock and nature correspondence just describe it is a scene of devastation was such a horrendous impact on tiny community. such a horrendous impact on tiny community-— such a horrendous impact on tiny community. this is the worst such attack in about _ community. this is the worst such attack in about a _ community. this is the worst such attack in about a year— community. this is the worst such attack in about a year we - community. this is the worst such attack in about a year we have - community. this is the worst such i attack in about a year we have been hearing. how concerned are you about this being the first or perhaps a wave now? i this being the first or perhaps a wave now?— this being the first or perhaps a wave now? ~ , ,., ., ., wave now? i think it is important to stress that while _ wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this _ wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this is _ wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this is one - wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this is one of - wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this is one of the i stress that while this is one of the deadliest since roger's invasion, it is farfrom being deadliest since roger's invasion, it is far from being the only one. as she said there was also a strike in the centre of kharkiv that killed the centre of kharkiv that killed the boy. what is important to stress is all care needs to be taken to avoid civilians and civilian buildings. that is why we are stressing and calling for the respect of the conduct of hostilities to be enhanced and enforced. it is important that the conduct of hostilities are strictly respected and that means you don't target civilians and due to target buildings were civilians are. it does appear that there were no military targets in the area which makes it all the more concerning that this happened on this village. the un is going to be conducting this investigation. once that concludes, what would you do with that information? fiur concludes, what would you do with that information?— concludes, what would you do with that information? our colleagues in ukraine have _ that information? our colleagues in ukraine have been _ that information? our colleagues in ukraine have been there _ that information? our colleagues in ukraine have been there since - that information? our colleagues in ukraine have been there since 2014j ukraine have been there since 2014 during human rights monitoring work. since the invasion their workers stepped up and they have been monitoring civilian casualties since then in great detail. we have a team of several people going to the village. we expect there will be there tomorrow. there will be talking to survivors, witnesses, trying to establish more about what may have happened and their fact—finding, information gathering will feed into overall documentation of what has happened. we have over these months produced regular reports about the violations of international human rights law and humanitarian law that have been committed. it will be up to courts, we are not a court of law, to establish whether what has happened there is a war crime, but it is important for us to go and talk to people. we have already gathered information but we have a team going there in order to be able to gather information as this is such an important process. so information as this is such an important process.— information as this is such an important process. so this might all be art of important process. so this might all be part of a — important process. so this might all be part of a wider— important process. so this might all be part of a wider case? _ important process. so this might all be part of a wider case? we - important process. so this might all be part of a wider case? we do - important process. so this might all| be part of a wider case? we do work closely with — be part of a wider case? we do work closely with judicial _ be part of a wider case? we do work closely with judicial authorities - be part of a wider case? we do work closely with judicial authorities in . closely with judicial authorities in order to provide information, so that may indeed be the case. what we will be doing is continuing our regular work of human rights monitoring through our colleagues in ukraine and also here in geneva at the un human rights office. in the uk, what is often referred to as "the innocence tax" — the huge legal defence fees paid by thousands of people accused of a crime, even if they're found not guilty is coming under scrutiny. in england and wales, legal aid is only available to those who have a household disposable income of less than £37,000. nick garnett met brian buckle in pembrokeshire. he spent six years and hundreds of thousands of pounds clearing his name. i mean, when i was put in the cell, i just sat there all night and just cried and cried. sentenced to 15 years after being wrongfully convicted. at that point, you realise you're a convicted sex offender. yes. yeah. it would take brian buckle six years to clear his name and it had a huge emotional and financial impact on him and his family. we've spent over half a million pounds, that's what it cost us. all our savings gone, every single penny. brian is a victim of what some people call the �*innocence tax'. each year, thousands of people go to court and are found not guilty of the crimes that they're charged with. many of those aren't eligible for help with their legal costs. if you earn very modest amounts, you don't get legal aid, so you then have to fund yourself. you're innocent and you're taxed by the state. you had to pay for your defence when you shouldn't have, i would say. we started straight awayl getting the appeal going. brian's auntie, mum and wife, united to prove his innocence. we didn't know where to start. not a clue. hours, days, weeks of painstaking work to build a case. we could only work, first of all, on the statements that we already had. elaine felt the weight of justice was on their shoulders. you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, and it's you who has to do the work. one of britain's most senior legal figures has written a report on false allegations and believes there's a weakness in the system. police officers, as soon - as they find some evidence that tends to support an allegation, a charge follows and _ the investigative process ceases. that is wrong. and there's also weaknesses in the legal system that can also affect victims of crime. support groups say that the number of allegations that make it to court is tiny compared to the number that actually get made to the police. convicted of 16 charges against a child, brian spent over five years in prison. he felt totally isolated. it was hard. you're sitting in there with real sex offenders and you hear some horrendous stories and you hear people gloating and itjust makes your blood boil. forensics, my words. the family used loans, savings and inheritance to pay for a specialist legal and forensics team. they uncovered new dna evidence. i said, i don't care what we do, how much it costs, we have got to prove his innocence. brian was finally granted a court of appeal hearing. he watched on a video link from prison as the judges made their decision. clerk of the courts came out. he said to me, mr buckle, do you know what's happening? and he said, "no, not really." "your released, he said. "you're going home." i was like, what?... all 16 verdicts were quashed that day. i know that he never did it. and eight months later, when the case went to a retrial, brian was found not guilty of all charges. georgia and your mum and your auntie, they came then and we were big hugging all each other. the courts granted lifetime anonymity to his accuser because they were sex abuse charges. it's been an emotional roller coaster. diagnosed with ptsd, brian was left facing damage to his mental health. i'm not the old brian buckle. i know i need help and i need counseling, but it's trying to find it. there's no help out there for you. nor has brian received any compensation or help with his legal fees. now the government says that it is going to lift the cap on legal aid, but it might take up to two years. and that's too late for brian. let me ask you what the cost of your innocence has been? time with each other, life. i missed my daughter's 18th birthday. zist. her dad taking herfor her first driving lesson. i've missed that. it's been a lot. brian now makes every day count with elaine and georgia. if i can help other people that are going through this, that's what i want to do. if i didn't have the family support me, i'd be still in prison. an innocent man. i wouldn't be here now. live now to sir richard henriques, a retired high courtjudge and author of the independent inquiry into the metropolitan police's handling of operation midland. you saw him there in that film. what changes do you think need to be brought in to help people like brian stop there does need to be change, thatis stop there does need to be change, that is beyond question. it is stop there does need to be change, that is beyond question.— that is beyond question. it is an extremely _ that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad _ that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad case _ that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad case and - that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad case and by - that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad case and by no i that is beyond question. it is an - extremely sad case and by no means unique. a very significant number of people are accused of crime falsely, but they are obliged to spend a great deal of money defending themselves and have no means at all of recovering that money. there are two parallel systems operating. one is the legal aid system that provides defence for those who are eligible. the alternative is to pay for our defence. i suppose the third is defending oneself. the difference though between our legal aid defence and a privately paid defence is significant and, in principle it is this. a legally aided defendant will receive very limited assistance from a solicitor between the complaints and our charge, if there is a charge. the only thing a solicitor will be paid for during that period of time is to attend the police interview. on the other hand, a privately paid solicitor at the very outset will begin by interviewing relevant witnesses, by considering what expert evidence there may be needed. collating evidence. consulting experts if necessary. considering the character and antecedent history of any complainant. and, most important of all, before the matter goes to the crown prosecution service, the solicitor will prepare a document setting out all the reasons why are prosecution should not result. {lilia prosecution should not result. ok, so ou're prosecution should not result. ok, so you're saying — prosecution should not result. ok, so you're saying that the quality of legal help that someone gets if they are getting legal aid is inferior, so if you are someone who is using your own money to fund this and then your own money to fund this and then you are found innocent, someone like brian, what ways are there to get the money you have already spent back? �* ,, ., the money you have already spent back? �* , , ., ., ., , the money you have already spent back? ., ., , back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means — back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means which _ back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means which is _ back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means which is almost - back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means which is almost always j has no means which is almost always invariably the case, the money is simply not recovered. an acquitted defendant or a defendant who has not been prosecuted but yet spent a great deal of money on his or her defence will simply not recover rates. 50 defence will simply not recover rates. . defence will simply not recover rates, ., , ., defence will simply not recover rates. ., , ., , defence will simply not recover rates. . , . , ~ ., defence will simply not recover rates. ., , ., , ~ ., rates. so that is what is known as the innocence _ rates. so that is what is known as the innocence tax. _ rates. so that is what is known as the innocence tax. what - rates. so that is what is known as| the innocence tax. what measures rates. so that is what is known as - the innocence tax. what measures can be brought in, or do you think should be brought in so that doesn't exist and people like brian who are acquitted or free exist and people like brian who are acquitted orfree packs and bags of dirt? acquitted or free packs and bags of dirt? ,., ., acquitted or free packs and bags of dirt? ., , , ., , , dirt? the solution seems to be this. first of all to _ dirt? the solution seems to be this. first of all to remove _ dirt? the solution seems to be this. first of all to remove the _ dirt? the solution seems to be this. first of all to remove the cap. - first of all to remove the cap. secondly, to ensure that the type of proper service is available to those who are legally aided. in other words, legally aided solicitors shoot at the very commencement of the criminal investigation which should receive renumeration for all work properly done. for example, interviewing witnesses, looking at mobile telephones, looking up laptop computers, considering dna evidence and the like, because that is exactly what the police are doing at that time. unfortunately, investigations are now taking well up investigations are now taking well up to 12 months. at the time a ate it solicitor is unable to carry out investigations, 12 months have elapsed and quite often it is not possible to find the necessary evidence and interview the relevant witnesses and they are at a very significant disadvantage. they lack of course the resources that the crown prosecution service and the police have between them.- crown prosecution service and the police have between them. thank you ve much police have between them. thank you very much for— police have between them. thank you very much for sharing _ police have between them. thank you very much for sharing your— police have between them. thank you very much for sharing your insight. i around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. bbc news bringing you different stories from across the uk. the school trip a highlight of the year for thousands of children across the region and where we live, there's no shortage of great places to visit. english heritage runs 34 of them in yorkshire, including conisbrough castle, where these children from rotherham are visiting today. but here and at other sites across the country, schoolchildren are becoming less frequent visitors. as a charity, our costs continue to rise. so whether it be payroll or producing support materials, etcetera, our costs do continue to rise, which means as a charity we kind of having to subsidise each year more and more. english heritage is launching a fundraising appeal today so it can keep offering free school trips to every child. it says it wants them all to be able to discover the places where history was made. the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby, has met refugees from nagorno—karabakh on his official visit to armenia. he offered prayers and words of comfort to ethnic armenians who fled their homes following azerbaijan's military operation in last month. if there's one thing in 20 years of meeting refugees and those who've had to flee violence, it's that awful sense that they are powerless, they couldn't do anything. and that's so hard for them. i was also struck by the number of young women i was talking to who are widows from the 2020 war. and it's a reminder that wars hit the news for a day or two, but the impact of them lasts a lifetime for those involved. for more, i spoke to rayhan demytrie in yerevan. the archbishop of canterbury, he visited a hotel in the northern region in armenia where 120 refugees from nagorno—karabakh have received accommodation. this hotel is run by the armenian church. and i think maybe not that many people knew who the archbishop is, but they were so grateful for his empathy, which was clear even if they didn't speak the language. of course there was a translation, but they could really feel his empathy and he was there to listen to their stories. and that is incredibly important for these people because they're still going through this trauma of being uprooted from their homes. and they have to somehow start rebuilding their lives, and they don't even know where to begin. so there were quite a lot of tears. there were very painful stories from these women who lost their husbands in these endless wars over nagorno—karabakh. and some people were asking the archbishop whether religious leaders like himself could help people to get access to their graves back at home in nagorno—karabakh. just to remind people that most of them, most of these ethnic armenians, they had to leave in such a rush and in panic, they didn't really take more than their id documents and maybe some clothes, so they're still coming to terms with this shock of being uprooted from their homes. and i think they were extremely grateful for the prayers that justin welby offered them, for the comfort, for them to know that somebody actually cares about them because they do feel perhaps abandoned and they have to go through this trauma on their own. martin scorsese is in london this week for a gala screening of his latest picture, killers of the flower moon. it stars leonardo dicaprio and robert de niro in a western lasting three and a half hours. tom brook met the 80—year—old in his home city of new york. good to see you. i've met you on, like, red carpets and junkets over the years. yes, i've seen you over the years too. yes, yes. martin scorsese has made some of american cinema's most memorable films, from taxi driver... you talkin' to me? ..to goodfellas. .. never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut. ..to the departed... as your were then. she's on her way out. we all are, act accordingly. ..to the irishman, to mention just a few. what do you want? you want to know if i did it or not? no. his latest epic, killers of the flower moon, an adaptation of a book, stars scorsese acting stalwarts robert de niro and leonardo dicaprio. i don't know what you said, but it must have been indian for handsome devil. it tells of the orchestrated so—called reign of terror of the 1920s in oklahoma, in which more than 60 native americans were killed by white interlopers wanting to get their hands on the oil that lay on their land. this wealth should come to us. oil had made the osage nation extremely wealthy. scorsese believes his new york upbringing helped him understand the story. i grew up in an area that was kind of, you know, there was a great deal of street crime, organized crime, etc.. and i found it was the same thinking in this story. now, you could take it from robbing somebody�*s store, mugging somebody, let's say, or take it to the point of wiping out a nation, an indigenous nation. tell me, i mean, it is a period film in that it was set in oklahoma in the 19205, but in many ways, it's about greedy white men doing terrible things to another race. do you think that has contemporary relevance in america today? that hasn't changed in america. it hasn't changed around the world. i mean, you're saying white, but there are others who do that too, in different parts of the world. when this money started coming... we should have known it came with something else. gunfire. what martin scorsese really values are films in which a single film—maker has artistic control. you get the sense that with killers of the flower moon, which was bankrolled by apple films to the tune of $200 million, scorsese got his way. i never felt that there were people looking over my shoulder. you could say, "well, it's because you, you know. who you are." yeah, but i'm 80 years old now. all right. so now i was able to make a picture with nobody looking over my shoulder, in a sense. if they were, they were very quiet. let me ask you, you mentioned getting older. i mean, actually, i'm only ten years behind you. i'm 70. oh, my... i mean, i remember you when you had no white in the mustache. ok, well, yeah, that's true. look at this! no, you look pretty good, let me let me tell you. but how does getting older affect the kinds of storytelling that you want to do as a film—maker? are there films that you feel you've got to do before it's too late? i know, and the funny thing is, i have a few i really want to do. i hope i can make it. it comes down to where to spend... whatever time is left to your life telling a story. is it worth it to you? evil surrounds my heart. one respected critic has called killers of the flower moon a landmark motion picture achievement, and that's a verdict upon which many would agree. tom brook, bbc news, new york. now here's the weather with sarah keith—lucas. hello. friday brought us a bit of a mixed day weather—wise across the uk. some rain in the north and north—west, some sunshine towards the south. the next few days, a big contrast in temperature. warmer than average by quite a bit across much of england, wales and northern ireland. colder than average for scotland, particularly during the weekend, we're going to see some really heavy rain moving in. up to about 150, perhaps even 180 millimetres of rain accumulating over the next few days. that's enough to cause some problems, so the met office have issued an amber weather warning for the risk of some flooding and disruption to perhaps travel, power networks as well across this zone. now, all that wet weather is due to this frontal system here, which is going to be really slow—moving into the weekend, especially so on saturday. we've got high pressure further south. so as we head through the rest of this evening and overnight, we've already got that front with us. it's going to be pushing a bit further north. so drying up for parts of northern ireland and northern england, but the rain becoming particularly persistent and heavy across central parts of scotland first thing tomorrow morning. reasonably mild for most of us, especially towards the south, with those overnight temperatures in the mid—teens. could be a bit of a low cloud, mist and murk particularly around some of these irish sea coasts to start your saturday morning. but long spells of sunshine, really, for much of england, wales and northern ireland. a bit of high cloud drifting around, a bit hazy. heavy rain, though, across central parts of scotland. those rainfall totals really mounting up. now, in the sunshine in the south, we could see temperatures as high as 24—25 degrees in one or two spots. whereas further north, contrast that to aberdeen, just nine degrees sitting under the cloud with the rain as well. so very big contrasts, really, all round in the weather through the weekend. for sunday, we've still got the rain across scotland. it'll slowly lift northwards, so gradually drying out for some central and western areas. best of the sunshine again will be further south, and temperatures perhaps a degree down compared to saturday. 23 or so for the warmest spots, and not quite as chilly across parts of scotland. into monday, that rain will have cleared away. a bit of a cool northerly breeze across the north of scotland, but a dry day for most of us, i think. there will be areas of cloud drifting around, some hazy sunshine and temperatures generally in the mid—to—high teens in the north. but again, the mid—20s possible towards the south. that warm weather then holds on into tuesday for some southern areas, but we'll start to see more showers from wednesday onwards as temperatures return to more typical for the time of year. bye— bye. hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones. you're watching the context on bbc news. we are in a playground where most of the bodies were recovered. and eerily, the swings and slide are still standing. the international community is always talking about not provoking putin. but what is it if it is not russian provocation? unfortunately, not the whole fleet. we would be happy if - the russian black sea fleet finally leave to crimea, . but approximately 14 ships been reported as moving. in ukraine the united nations is sending investigators to the village of hroza. 52 people were killed. also on the programme... ai—powered live facial recognition cameras. new calls for them to be banned immidiately. banned immediately. the winner of the 2023 nobel peace prize, narges mohammadi, is still in prison in iran. we look at her campaigning for women's rights in the country. and as the labour party win in scotland, what does that mean for their chances in the next general election? sting to the programme. we're going to start a small village of hroza. our correspondent has made it there is just a warning, the

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our correspondentjames waterhouse spent the day in hroza to see the scene of the attack. he spoke to locals and officials about what happened. he says with a local population ofjust over 300, the impact of this attack goes beyond just the blast zone. as you can see, a memorial has been set up in the middle of the blast zone where this missile hit yesterday. we are in a playground where most of the bodies were recovered. and eerily, the swings and the slide are still standing. and hroza is a tiny settlement. it feels very strange to be stood in such destruction in somewhere so small. you can see vehicles have been caved in by the sheer force of the blast, and such is the power generated, it's not immediately obvious what was hit. a lot of the debris has been cleared away to the side. you can see a fridge. you can see air conditioning units, twisted metal, all these signature signs of a missile strike. and then here you have the building that was directly hit, a cafe/shop where a funeral wake was taking place yesterday for a ukrainian soldier. now, as far as the prosecutor for this area is concerned, it was a deliberate attack by moscow. the use of a ballistic missile, these iskander missiles, which are fairly accurate, reinforces that claim. but for now, you just have a scene like this in a village of 300, and it impacts everyone here. it goes far beyond this scene of devastation where, once again, we see civilian areas, civilians themselves, targeted by russian missiles. and there's debris like this dotted around. and you can tell it's from a missile because it's heavy. it is dense metal. it's quite a sight for a village so small. elizabeth throssell is a un human rights spokesperson she gave me her views on te latest airstrikes. the on te latest airstrikes. un commissioner for humai expressed the un commissionerfor human rights expressed shock and condemned the killings as a result of the strike on the village. we are sending human rights officers to this site to try to establish more about what happened there. it is aftershock and nature correspondence just describe it is a scene of devastation was such a horrendous impact on tiny community. such a horrendous impact on tiny community-— such a horrendous impact on tiny community. this is the worst such attack in about _ community. this is the worst such attack in about a _ community. this is the worst such attack in about a year— community. this is the worst such attack in about a year we - community. this is the worst such attack in about a year we have - community. this is the worst such i attack in about a year we have been hearing. how concerned are you about this being the first or perhaps a wave now? i this being the first or perhaps a wave now?— this being the first or perhaps a wave now? ~ , ,., ., ., wave now? i think it is important to stress that while _ wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this _ wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this is _ wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this is one - wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this is one of - wave now? i think it is important to stress that while this is one of the i stress that while this is one of the deadliest since roger's invasion, it is farfrom being deadliest since roger's invasion, it is far from being the only one. as she said there was also a strike in the centre of kharkiv that killed the centre of kharkiv that killed the boy. what is important to stress is all care needs to be taken to avoid civilians and civilian buildings. that is why we are stressing and calling for the respect of the conduct of hostilities to be enhanced and enforced. it is important that the conduct of hostilities are strictly respected and that means you don't target civilians and due to target buildings were civilians are. it does appear that there were no military targets in the area which makes it all the more concerning that this happened on this village. the un is going to be conducting this investigation. once that concludes, what would you do with that information? fiur concludes, what would you do with that information?— concludes, what would you do with that information? our colleagues in ukraine have _ that information? our colleagues in ukraine have been _ that information? our colleagues in ukraine have been there _ that information? our colleagues in ukraine have been there since - that information? our colleagues in ukraine have been there since 2014j ukraine have been there since 2014 during human rights monitoring work. since the invasion their workers stepped up and they have been monitoring civilian casualties since then in great detail. we have a team of several people going to the village. we expect there will be there tomorrow. there will be talking to survivors, witnesses, trying to establish more about what may have happened and their fact—finding, information gathering will feed into overall documentation of what has happened. we have over these months produced regular reports about the violations of international human rights law and humanitarian law that have been committed. it will be up to courts, we are not a court of law, to establish whether what has happened there is a war crime, but it is important for us to go and talk to people. we have already gathered information but we have a team going there in order to be able to gather information as this is such an important process. so information as this is such an important process.— information as this is such an important process. so this might all be art of important process. so this might all be part of a — important process. so this might all be part of a wider— important process. so this might all be part of a wider case? _ important process. so this might all be part of a wider case? we - important process. so this might all be part of a wider case? we do - important process. so this might all| be part of a wider case? we do work closely with — be part of a wider case? we do work closely with judicial _ be part of a wider case? we do work closely with judicial authorities - be part of a wider case? we do work closely with judicial authorities in . closely with judicial authorities in order to provide information, so that may indeed be the case. what we will be doing is continuing our regular work of human rights monitoring through our colleagues in ukraine and also here in geneva at the un human rights office. in the uk, what is often referred to as "the innocence tax" — the huge legal defence fees paid by thousands of people accused of a crime, even if they're found not guilty is coming under scrutiny. in england and wales, legal aid is only available to those who have a household disposable income of less than £37,000. nick garnett met brian buckle in pembrokeshire. he spent six years and hundreds of thousands of pounds clearing his name. i mean, when i was put in the cell, i just sat there all night and just cried and cried. sentenced to 15 years after being wrongfully convicted. at that point, you realise you're a convicted sex offender. yes. yeah. it would take brian buckle six years to clear his name and it had a huge emotional and financial impact on him and his family. we've spent over half a million pounds, that's what it cost us. all our savings gone, every single penny. brian is a victim of what some people call the �*innocence tax'. each year, thousands of people go to court and are found not guilty of the crimes that they're charged with. many of those aren't eligible for help with their legal costs. if you earn very modest amounts, you don't get legal aid, so you then have to fund yourself. you're innocent and you're taxed by the state. you had to pay for your defence when you shouldn't have, i would say. we started straight awayl getting the appeal going. brian's auntie, mum and wife, united to prove his innocence. we didn't know where to start. not a clue. hours, days, weeks of painstaking work to build a case. we could only work, first of all, on the statements that we already had. elaine felt the weight of justice was on their shoulders. you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, and it's you who has to do the work. one of britain's most senior legal figures has written a report on false allegations and believes there's a weakness in the system. police officers, as soon - as they find some evidence that tends to support an allegation, a charge follows and _ the investigative process ceases. that is wrong. and there's also weaknesses in the legal system that can also affect victims of crime. support groups say that the number of allegations that make it to court is tiny compared to the number that actually get made to the police. convicted of 16 charges against a child, brian spent over five years in prison. he felt totally isolated. it was hard. you're sitting in there with real sex offenders and you hear some horrendous stories and you hear people gloating and itjust makes your blood boil. forensics, my words. the family used loans, savings and inheritance to pay for a specialist legal and forensics team. they uncovered new dna evidence. i said, i don't care what we do, how much it costs, we have got to prove his innocence. brian was finally granted a court of appeal hearing. he watched on a video link from prison as the judges made their decision. clerk of the courts came out. he said to me, mr buckle, do you know what's happening? and he said, "no, not really." "your released, he said. "you're going home." i was like, what?... all 16 verdicts were quashed that day. i know that he never did it. and eight months later, when the case went to a retrial, brian was found not guilty of all charges. georgia and your mum and your auntie, they came then and we were big hugging all each other. the courts granted lifetime anonymity to his accuser because they were sex abuse charges. it's been an emotional roller coaster. diagnosed with ptsd, brian was left facing damage to his mental health. i'm not the old brian buckle. i know i need help and i need counseling, but it's trying to find it. there's no help out there for you. nor has brian received any compensation or help with his legal fees. now the government says that it is going to lift the cap on legal aid, but it might take up to two years. and that's too late for brian. let me ask you what the cost of your innocence has been? time with each other, life. i missed my daughter's 18th birthday. zist. her dad taking herfor her first driving lesson. i've missed that. it's been a lot. brian now makes every day count with elaine and georgia. if i can help other people that are going through this, that's what i want to do. if i didn't have the family support me, i'd be still in prison. an innocent man. i wouldn't be here now. live now to sir richard henriques, a retired high courtjudge and author of the independent inquiry into the metropolitan police's handling of operation midland. you saw him there in that film. what changes do you think need to be brought in to help people like brian stop there does need to be change, thatis stop there does need to be change, that is beyond question. it is stop there does need to be change, that is beyond question.— that is beyond question. it is an extremely _ that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad _ that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad case _ that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad case and - that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad case and by - that is beyond question. it is an extremely sad case and by no i that is beyond question. it is an - extremely sad case and by no means unique. a very significant number of people are accused of crime falsely, but they are obliged to spend a great deal of money defending themselves and have no means at all of recovering that money. there are two parallel systems operating. one is the legal aid system that provides defence for those who are eligible. the alternative is to pay for our defence. i suppose the third is defending oneself. the difference though between our legal aid defence and a privately paid defence is significant and, in principle it is this. a legally aided defendant will receive very limited assistance from a solicitor between the complaints and our charge, if there is a charge. the only thing a solicitor will be paid for during that period of time is to attend the police interview. on the other hand, a privately paid solicitor at the very outset will begin by interviewing relevant witnesses, by considering what expert evidence there may be needed. collating evidence. consulting experts if necessary. considering the character and antecedent history of any complainant. and, most important of all, before the matter goes to the crown prosecution service, the solicitor will prepare a document setting out all the reasons why are prosecution should not result. {lilia prosecution should not result. ok, so ou're prosecution should not result. ok, so you're saying — prosecution should not result. ok, so you're saying that the quality of legal help that someone gets if they are getting legal aid is inferior, so if you are someone who is using your own money to fund this and then your own money to fund this and then you are found innocent, someone like brian, what ways are there to get the money you have already spent back? �* ,, ., the money you have already spent back? �* , , ., ., ., , the money you have already spent back? ., ., , back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means — back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means which _ back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means which is _ back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means which is almost - back? assuming that a false accuser, has no means which is almost always j has no means which is almost always invariably the case, the money is simply not recovered. an acquitted defendant or a defendant who has not been prosecuted but yet spent a great deal of money on his or her defence will simply not recover rates. 50 defence will simply not recover rates. . defence will simply not recover rates, ., , ., defence will simply not recover rates. ., , ., , defence will simply not recover rates. . , . , ~ ., defence will simply not recover rates. ., , ., , ~ ., rates. so that is what is known as the innocence _ rates. so that is what is known as the innocence tax. _ rates. so that is what is known as the innocence tax. what - rates. so that is what is known as| the innocence tax. what measures rates. so that is what is known as - the innocence tax. what measures can be brought in, or do you think should be brought in so that doesn't exist and people like brian who are acquitted or free exist and people like brian who are acquitted orfree packs and bags of dirt? acquitted or free packs and bags of dirt? ,., ., acquitted or free packs and bags of dirt? ., , , ., , , dirt? the solution seems to be this. first of all to _ dirt? the solution seems to be this. first of all to remove _ dirt? the solution seems to be this. first of all to remove the _ dirt? the solution seems to be this. first of all to remove the cap. - first of all to remove the cap. secondly, to ensure that the type of proper service is available to those who are legally aided. in other words, legally aided solicitors shoot at the very commencement of the criminal investigation which should receive renumeration for all work properly done. for example, interviewing witnesses, looking at mobile telephones, looking up laptop computers, considering dna evidence and the like, because that is exactly what the police are doing at that time. unfortunately, investigations are now taking well up investigations are now taking well up to 12 months. at the time a ate it solicitor is unable to carry out investigations, 12 months have elapsed and quite often it is not possible to find the necessary evidence and interview the relevant witnesses and they are at a very significant disadvantage. they lack of course the resources that the crown prosecution service and the police have between them.- crown prosecution service and the police have between them. thank you ve much police have between them. thank you very much for— police have between them. thank you very much for sharing _ police have between them. thank you very much for sharing your— police have between them. thank you very much for sharing your insight. i around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. bbc news bringing you different stories from across the uk. the school trip a highlight of the year for thousands of children across the region and where we live, there's no shortage of great places to visit. english heritage runs 34 of them in yorkshire, including conisbrough castle, where these children from rotherham are visiting today. but here and at other sites across the country, schoolchildren are becoming less frequent visitors. as a charity, our costs continue to rise. so whether it be payroll or producing support materials, etcetera, our costs do continue to rise, which means as a charity we kind of having to subsidise each year more and more. english heritage is launching a fundraising appeal today so it can keep offering free school trips to every child. it says it wants them all to be able to discover the places where history was made. the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby, has met refugees from nagorno—karabakh on his official visit to armenia. he offered prayers and words of comfort to ethnic armenians who fled their homes following azerbaijan's military operation in last month. if there's one thing in 20 years of meeting refugees and those who've had to flee violence, it's that awful sense that they are powerless, they couldn't do anything. and that's so hard for them. i was also struck by the number of young women i was talking to who are widows from the 2020 war. and it's a reminder that wars hit the news for a day or two, but the impact of them lasts a lifetime for those involved. for more, i spoke to rayhan demytrie in yerevan. the archbishop of canterbury, he visited a hotel in the northern region in armenia where 120 refugees from nagorno—karabakh have received accommodation. this hotel is run by the armenian church. and i think maybe not that many people knew who the archbishop is, but they were so grateful for his empathy, which was clear even if they didn't speak the language. of course there was a translation, but they could really feel his empathy and he was there to listen to their stories. and that is incredibly important for these people because they're still going through this trauma of being uprooted from their homes. and they have to somehow start rebuilding their lives, and they don't even know where to begin. so there were quite a lot of tears. there were very painful stories from these women who lost their husbands in these endless wars over nagorno—karabakh. and some people were asking the archbishop whether religious leaders like himself could help people to get access to their graves back at home in nagorno—karabakh. just to remind people that most of them, most of these ethnic armenians, they had to leave in such a rush and in panic, they didn't really take more than their id documents and maybe some clothes, so they're still coming to terms with this shock of being uprooted from their homes. and i think they were extremely grateful for the prayers that justin welby offered them, for the comfort, for them to know that somebody actually cares about them because they do feel perhaps abandoned and they have to go through this trauma on their own. martin scorsese is in london this week for a gala screening of his latest picture, killers of the flower moon. it stars leonardo dicaprio and robert de niro in a western lasting three and a half hours. tom brook met the 80—year—old in his home city of new york. good to see you. i've met you on, like, red carpets and junkets over the years. yes, i've seen you over the years too. yes, yes. martin scorsese has made some of american cinema's most memorable films, from taxi driver... you talkin' to me? ..to goodfellas. .. never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut. ..to the departed... as your were then. she's on her way out. we all are, act accordingly. ..to the irishman, to mention just a few. what do you want? you want to know if i did it or not? no. his latest epic, killers of the flower moon, an adaptation of a book, stars scorsese acting stalwarts robert de niro and leonardo dicaprio. i don't know what you said, but it must have been indian for handsome devil. it tells of the orchestrated so—called reign of terror of the 1920s in oklahoma, in which more than 60 native americans were killed by white interlopers wanting to get their hands on the oil that lay on their land. this wealth should come to us. oil had made the osage nation extremely wealthy. scorsese believes his new york upbringing helped him understand the story. i grew up in an area that was kind of, you know, there was a great deal of street crime, organized crime, etc.. and i found it was the same thinking in this story. now, you could take it from robbing somebody�*s store, mugging somebody, let's say, or take it to the point of wiping out a nation, an indigenous nation. tell me, i mean, it is a period film in that it was set in oklahoma in the 19205, but in many ways, it's about greedy white men doing terrible things to another race. do you think that has contemporary relevance in america today? that hasn't changed in america. it hasn't changed around the world. i mean, you're saying white, but there are others who do that too, in different parts of the world. when this money started coming... we should have known it came with something else. gunfire. what martin scorsese really values are films in which a single film—maker has artistic control. you get the sense that with killers of the flower moon, which was bankrolled by apple films to the tune of $200 million, scorsese got his way. i never felt that there were people looking over my shoulder. you could say, "well, it's because you, you know. who you are." yeah, but i'm 80 years old now. all right. so now i was able to make a picture with nobody looking over my shoulder, in a sense. if they were, they were very quiet. let me ask you, you mentioned getting older. i mean, actually, i'm only ten years behind you. i'm 70. oh, my... i mean, i remember you when you had no white in the mustache. ok, well, yeah, that's true. look at this! no, you look pretty good, let me let me tell you. but how does getting older affect the kinds of storytelling that you want to do as a film—maker? are there films that you feel you've got to do before it's too late? i know, and the funny thing is, i have a few i really want to do. i hope i can make it. it comes down to where to spend... whatever time is left to your life telling a story. is it worth it to you? evil surrounds my heart. one respected critic has called killers of the flower moon a landmark motion picture achievement, and that's a verdict upon which many would agree. tom brook, bbc news, new york. now here's the weather with sarah keith—lucas. hello. friday brought us a bit of a mixed day weather—wise across the uk. some rain in the north and north—west, some sunshine towards the south. the next few days, a big contrast in temperature. warmer than average by quite a bit across much of england, wales and northern ireland. colder than average for scotland, particularly during the weekend, we're going to see some really heavy rain moving in. up to about 150, perhaps even 180 millimetres of rain accumulating over the next few days. that's enough to cause some problems, so the met office have issued an amber weather warning for the risk of some flooding and disruption to perhaps travel, power networks as well across this zone. now, all that wet weather is due to this frontal system here, which is going to be really slow—moving into the weekend, especially so on saturday. we've got high pressure further south. so as we head through the rest of this evening and overnight, we've already got that front with us. it's going to be pushing a bit further north. so drying up for parts of northern ireland and northern england, but the rain becoming particularly persistent and heavy across central parts of scotland first thing tomorrow morning. reasonably mild for most of us, especially towards the south, with those overnight temperatures in the mid—teens. could be a bit of a low cloud, mist and murk particularly around some of these irish sea coasts to start your saturday morning. but long spells of sunshine, really, for much of england, wales and northern ireland. a bit of high cloud drifting around, a bit hazy. heavy rain, though, across central parts of scotland. those rainfall totals really mounting up. now, in the sunshine in the south, we could see temperatures as high as 24—25 degrees in one or two spots. whereas further north, contrast that to aberdeen, just nine degrees sitting under the cloud with the rain as well. so very big contrasts, really, all round in the weather through the weekend. for sunday, we've still got the rain across scotland. it'll slowly lift northwards, so gradually drying out for some central and western areas. best of the sunshine again will be further south, and temperatures perhaps a degree down compared to saturday. 23 or so for the warmest spots, and not quite as chilly across parts of scotland. into monday, that rain will have cleared away. a bit of a cool northerly breeze across the north of scotland, but a dry day for most of us, i think. there will be areas of cloud drifting around, some hazy sunshine and temperatures generally in the mid—to—high teens in the north. but again, the mid—20s possible towards the south. that warm weather then holds on into tuesday for some southern areas, but we'll start to see more showers from wednesday onwards as temperatures return to more typical for the time of year. bye— bye. hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones. you're watching the context on bbc news. we are in a playground where most of the bodies were recovered. and eerily, the swings and slide are still standing. the international community is always talking about not provoking putin. but what is it if it is not russian provocation? unfortunately, not the whole fleet. we would be happy if - the russian black sea fleet finally leave to crimea, . but approximately 14 ships been reported as moving. in ukraine the united nations is sending investigators to the village of hroza. 52 people were killed. also on the programme... ai—powered live facial recognition cameras. new calls for them to be banned immidiately. banned immediately. the winner of the 2023 nobel peace prize, narges mohammadi, is still in prison in iran. we look at her campaigning for women's rights in the country. and as the labour party win in scotland, what does that mean for their chances in the next general election? sting to the programme. we're going to start a small village of hroza. our correspondent has made it there is just a warning, the

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