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winds coming in around the irish sea coasts, gusting up to 70mph, but that said, many of us will have quite a quiet start to the day, sunshine for scotland, bright and breezy conditions in eastern england. it is in the middle part of that and in the afternoon that those potentially damaging gusts of wind work into irish sea coasts, could bring down some trees leading to power cuts, transport could be disrupted as well, notjust windy but also very wet. that wet and windy weather on wednesday night will transfer across northern england and scotland where it also could be windy enough to cause one or two impacts, maybe one or two trees down. that system works out of the way for thursday followed by this ridge of high pressure which means the weatherfor a this ridge of high pressure which means the weather for a time will turn quieter on thursday with a bit more sunshine before this next system spreads rain back into western areas, the rain turning increasingly heavy in the afternoon. temperatures staying on the mild side but looking at the outlook over the next few days it looks like the weather is going to generally stay unsettled, plenty of showers across northern areas on friday, to write further south, northern areas on friday, to write furthersouth, into northern areas on friday, to write further south, into the weekend i think rain and showers will be donating. chris fawkes, thank you. that's it. more analysis of the days top stories on newsnight, just getting underway over on bbc two. but here on bbc one, it's time to join our colleagues the war in ukraine through the eyes of one ukrainian brigade — the fighters on the front, and theirfamilies back home. open ended service, just 10 days leave a year, and a high casualty rate — for ukranian soldiers in one unit, life on the front line is fraught and brutal and really hard. they strap grenades to drones bought off amazon and aim for the highest value targets. to years ago would you have imagined doing this? i’ll. to years ago would you have imagined doin: this? �* ., , ., doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can — doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can only — doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can only fight _ doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can only fight and - doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can only fight and protect l do? we can only fight and protect our land~ — do? we can only fight and protect our land~ i— do? we can only fight and protect ourland. ijust do? we can only fight and protect our land. ijust wanted to stop and for our— our land. ijust wanted to stop and for our neighbours to go away. also tonight. the lib dems are now an unavowedly anti—tory party — will it lead to electoral success for them in the general election? as their conference draws to a close, we'll talk live to frontbencher christine jardin. and some encouraging words on how the world's faring on hitting its environmental targets. the head of the world's energy watchdog say he's more optimistic than two years ago on reaching net zero by 2050 — a former advisor to cop26 president alok sharma is with us. good evening. for 18 months now the war in ukraine has ground mercilessly on. any russian hopes of an easy advance into kyiv were quickly dashed — but moscow now controls around a fifth of its neighbour's territory. battlelines settled in the spring of last year have in many places barely shifted since. and despite months of fierce fighting, and reports of large losses on both sides, a ukrainian counteroffensive has this summerfailed to dramatically break through. many now expect an enduring and longterm conflict, with kyiv reliant on western backing to hold its line. how then, does the war feel to those on the frontline — and to their families back at home away from ukraine's battlefields? newsnight has secured rare access to one ukrainian unit, the 24th mechanised brigade and through their eyes, over the next three nights, we hope to bring you an insight into the reality of this conflict. right now the 24th brigade are fighting in the donbas in a section of the front between bakhmut and horlivka. sometimes using a0 year old munitions and literally attaching grenades to drones bought off amazon. the men are fathers, sons and husbands — and some had no military experience until russia launched its full—scale invasion last year. newsnight�*s defence editor mark urban filmed with the 24th brigade and their families across 10 days. we'll speak to him in a few minutes, here's the first of his special reports. this is the face of battle. modern war in ukraine. a grenade attached to a commercially made drone, before being sent on its way. these ukrainian soldiers allowed us access to a position several hundred metres from their enemy as they hunted them. now they're stepping up the accuracy of their attacks. with custom made fpv, or first person video drones. we have an assortment of fpv drones, so those are different manufacturers. some are ukrainian. yuri flies them, searching for the highest value targets he can find. we are aiming for big guns, like for example... a grenade launcher? yeah, yeah. automatic grenade launcher and... self—propelled gun? oh, yeah, yeah. self—propelled gun, something like that. and then comes in the lower priority, so just regular troops. two years ago, would you have ever imagined you would be doing this? oh, no, no, for god's sake, no. but what can we do? we can only fight and protect our land. i just want it to stop. and for our neighbours to go away. 52nd year. but looks like new. it's like second world war. we watched as the 24th brigade's drone company armed a variety of munitions, ready to launch at the russians, trying to raise the pain level. they gave us clips of that day's strikes, using air drop munitions, and then flying their fpv into trenches and windows to kill those taking cover. butjust as these men are hunters, they're also being hunted. the 24th brigade artillery often relies on drones to find its targets. but that works in reverse, too. and the guns have to be well camouflaged because the russians are hunting them, as we soon discovered. so we were expecting a fire mission within five minutes, and then word came down on the radio to stand down, because a russian drone has been sighted somewhere near here. and that's really very typical of what's been happening. a constant battle of wits, a deadly battle of wits. these russian videos show the threat that spotters overhead cue a lancet missile onto ukrainian artillery and that as soon as it's fired, it's destroyed. after a tense half hour... ..the ukrainian battery commander is given the go ahead to engage his target. the 152 millimeter howitzer is loaded and its barrel trained onto the right bearing and elevation. no sooner is the shell on its way than we're told to get away from the gun position as soon as we can. we get back to our vehicle. so let's go. past locals, apparently oblivious to the fact a russian shell will soon be heading back. where was the incoming? oh, yeah, i've seen the smoke. it explodes about 300 metres from us. we've had a small taste of the stress these soldiers have to put up with for months. for the battle in this part of the donbas is largely about long range killing with artillery. at the brigade casualty clearing station, a soldier has been brought in. the medics do their survey, but it's apparent that he isn't physically injured. it's described as a panic attack, following an artillery bombardment. he's sedated and the doctors grow nervous that our presence might attract interest to this place. we've had to leave the medical centre because the doctors were worried that our presence at the medical centre might make it a target. the battle in eastern ukraine has become a dreadful endurance test. the 24th brigade provided some of the troops that took part in the year long struggle for bakhmut. their drone company captured these images of a battle that's claimed tens of thousands of lives. this company is one of those that's been pulled back from the trenches to be rebuilt after those recent fights. new arrivals were being integrated with those who emerged from bakhmut. but as one of the medics who treated them explained, the survivors had been deeply marked by the experience. i was like a witness of this trauma because i was in medical company and the guys who was wounded came to us. and those people who was like lightly injured, not so bad, we can speak with them. and like almost five from ten men was with some, um, not only physical injuries but psychological too. their speech was very fast. they don't recognise even their friends and sometimes they don't understand what we say, even. they hear us but can't respond. because of the heavy bombardments? yeah, because of this. it was shelling every time when our guys take to russian positions, the best target for russians is their positions. if the front line has moved little this summer in this part of the east, that's in part because russia can still overmatch ukraine in many ways. these bombs, like with metal pieces plus tnt. we went to the drone company quarters where another yuri, a young venture capitalist from kyiv, told me how he volunteered for the army and what they need to do to outwit the russians. they have a lot more. it's like a factory manufacturing. this is thousands and thousands of drones, while ukraine is for now only starting to make such drones in a big quantities. can you see yourself going back to finance now, or is this too absorbing for the foreseeable future? yes. why not? as for now, our prime target is to make our country safe, to get back our lands. and after that, we can do what we did. i suspect the pay as a soldier is a bit less than in the finance world? oh, much more less. yes. it doesn't matter? it doesn't matter. this was heralded by president zelensky as the year of victories. but although there have been some gains south of here, in general, progress has been slow, not least because it's so hard to advance in this war without being spotted and shelled. what do you think of them? of the russians? after 18 months of this war. do you hate them? do you respect them? what are your feelings about them as an enemy? at the gun position, meanwhile, it's time to reload. this howitzer is nicknamed babushka by its crew because it's getting on a bit, and the shells we saw were made a0 years ago. and just as the demands of this conflict mean all serviceable weapons must be pressed into action, so the gun commander is a 52 year old, trained to do this decades ago for the soviet army, who volunteered to serve again. what was your family's reaction when you went to serve? did they say, forgive me, you're too old. let other people do it. how do people react? with the summer coming to a close, without either side able to claim victory, the brigade, its families and ukrainians more widely must steel themselves for another winter. given the sacrifices made so far, that's a lot to ask, but it's not something the soldiers here see any alternative to. that film was produced by louie harris—white, jon hughes filmed it, and it was edited by richard o'neill. it's on the bbc news youtube channel and later this week there'll be a documentary on iplayer called life, loss and waiting in ukraine. mark, some of the weaponry those guys had looked so rudimentary, but how effective is it?— how effective is it? variable, i would say- — how effective is it? variable, i would say. the _ how effective is it? variable, i would say. the country, - how effective is it? variable, i would say. the country, the l how effective is it? variable, i- would say. the country, the army, that brigade have been through an extraordinary transformation, they've gone through a time when the war which is taking over in the east and a few people knew about it and a few people paid the price into a struggle for national survival into which everything has been thrown, the talents, the link is, the volunteers and all available weapons and technology, so the self—propelled guns you solve earlier than some of the drones are much newer and they are moving, as we see, from the ones thatjust drop things, which has been going on since the beginning of the war, to the so—called first person ones. that is an advance in the sense that you can bombard something with shells all day long but if you can actually find the entrance to a bunker or fly along a high—rise building and into the one that the russians are using as a sniper position, that's quite different and that's what they are doing with those weapons. so it's a very varied picture. we those weapons. so it's a very varied icture. ~ ,., those weapons. so it's a very varied icture. ~ ., picture. we saw from the film some ofthe picture. we saw from the film some of the trauma _ picture. we saw from the film some of the trauma inflicted _ picture. we saw from the film some of the trauma inflicted on _ picture. we saw from the film some of the trauma inflicted on these - of the trauma inflicted on these guys and the stresses are unimaginable for most people. yes. guys and the stresses are unimaginable for most people. yes, i think this business _ unimaginable for most people. yes, i think this business of _ unimaginable for most people. yes, i think this business of being _ unimaginable for most people. yes, i think this business of being under- think this business of being under such heavy bombardment, part of the cables in bakhmut and had to withdraw, they were finally ordered to withdraw among the last ukrainian sender when the russians took it a few months back, and those guys came out deeply marked by this. and you know, they have got to somehow press on with any final date or any knowledge of when they will be able to go home, they are all serving for the duration, as they say. they know their loved ones back home also have got no idea when they are going to be coming home. one of the soldiers said to me, well, at least one good thing now is the nation as a whole understands what we are doing, some in hundreds of thousands have been mobilised and come into it, but of course with that comes loss and longing for people at the front, there will be the subject of tomorrow night's report. singing pretty much every house in this street in yavoriv has been affected by the war and service with the 24th brigade. singing let's talk to lieutenant general ben hodges — former commander of the united states army in europe. thank you for being with us. what do you take from that first film? festival, this was first class work by mark and the team to really get a feel for what's going on on the ground, both from a human perspective as well as a technological perspective. you can see the stress on these guys, but also the grim determination, they are not going to stop. we also the grim determination, they are not going to stop.— are not going to stop. we keep heafina are not going to stop. we keep hearing and — are not going to stop. we keep hearing and we _ are not going to stop. we keep hearing and we keep _ are not going to stop. we keep hearing and we keep reporting | are not going to stop. we keep i hearing and we keep reporting on are not going to stop. we keep - hearing and we keep reporting on the sophisticated weapons that the west are sending but these guys haven't got that. are sending but these guys haven't not that. . .., , got that. yeah. of course the ukrainian _ got that. yeah. of course the ukrainian army _ got that. yeah. of course the ukrainian army is _ got that. yeah. of course the ukrainian army is using - got that. yeah. of course the - ukrainian army is using everything that they can get their hands on, whether it is the old howitzer like the one we just saw, or new equipment that's come in, but they had to start from a low point and of course the going to get an army that is massive in size and quantity of equipment but what has impressed me about ukrainian soldiers from the first time i was on a training exercise with them was how technically savvy they are, how adaptive they are, more than soldiers of any country i've ever seen. . . w' soldiers of any country i've ever seen. . ., a i. soldiers of any country i've ever seen. . ., i. ., , seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the — seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the next _ seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the next president - seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the next president of- seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the next president of the l becomes the next president of the united states, he could pull all support for ukraine pretty swiftly, then what? ~ . ., , support for ukraine pretty swiftly, then what? ~ . . , ., �* , support for ukraine pretty swiftly, then what? ~ . . , ., �*, ., then what? well, certainly that's a possibility- — then what? well, certainly that's a possibility. fortunately, _ then what? well, certainly that's a possibility. fortunately, that's - possibility. fortunately, that's about iii months away before we actually have an election and then it would be a couple more months before he was inaugurated. so this is a lifetime in american politics and that's why i think it is important that president biden along with the prime minister, the german chancellor, president macron, they all decide it is in our best interests that ukraine wins and let's quit dilly—dallying and deliver the things that ukraine needs, no more excuses. but deliver the things that ukraine needs, no more excuses. but the west has been delivering _ needs, no more excuses. but the west has been delivering the _ needs, no more excuses. but the west has been delivering the things - has been delivering the things that ukraine is, ok, it may have taken a bit longer than president zelensky wanted, but it has got a load of stuff now and we are not seeing any kind of breakthrough, really. yes, there have been car keev and kherson but that's it really.— but that's it really. that's not true. but that's it really. that's not true- the _ but that's it really. that's not true. the administration, - but that's it really. that's not true. the administration, thej true. the administration, the american administration and the german government have not delivered what they could deliver in terms of long—range precision weapons. europe has actually provided more than twice as much is what the united states has. a lot of promises have been made but not a lot of stuff that has actually been delivered. what has been delivered, particularly the tanks, they are just now coming up. so the only metric that matters is how much has been delivered that's required to help ukraine win. surrounded numbers and titles mean nothing except when measured against how much is needed for them to win, that's the key. final thought, there is a school of thought that goes, ok, president putin should be able to, for example, keep hold of crimea, which has been occupied by the russians for some years, illegally. has been occupied by the russians forsome years, illegally. do has been occupied by the russians for some years, illegally. do you agree with that?— agree with that? absolutely not. that would _ agree with that? absolutely not. that would be _ agree with that? absolutely not. that would be the _ agree with that? absolutely not. that would be the same - agree with that? absolutely not. that would be the same as - agree with that? absolutely not. l that would be the same as saying, why doesn't the uk go ahead and give up why doesn't the uk go ahead and give up wales or manchester, for the sake of peace? that the russians have that for the sake of peace. of course that's ridiculous. do we think it's ok, like this was the 18th century, to say, come on, ukraine, let them have premiere for the sake of peace? anybody that's cracked open a book knows that russia will not be satisfied with getting any piece of ukrainian land, they have got to be defeated, that's they have got to be defeated, that's the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank ou the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for— the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for being _ the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for being with _ the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for being with us - the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for being with us tonight. | thank you for being with us tonight. thanks for the privilege. eight years after being in government with the conservatives, the lib dems are now a noisy anti—tory party. it's why the lib dem leadership at their party's conference in bournemouth hasn't been at all keen to openly bash brexit, or remind voters of its policy to rejon the eu in the long—term. will this strategy pay off at the next general election? here's nick. late summer vibes. and a party sensing changing fortunes after nearly a decade in the doldrums. high hopes of advances at the general election. still a lodestar. this generation aims to repeat the late paddy ashdown's success in taking the party from a pinprick in the polls, to potential kingmaker. look behind you, mr ashdown. that involves capturing a series of true blue seats in the english home counties, dismantling the blue wall. scrapping the penny on income tax for the nhs, scrapping the penny on income tax forthe nhs, an scrapping the penny on income tax for the nhs, an idea which grew from a similar ashdown pledge for education. rebuild relations with the eu but don't mention the b word, wouldn't want to frighten the horses. and scrap national housing targets to keep the home counties happy. this conference said no to that. onto the stage, with the message of the day. we have taken chunks out of the blue wall, we have made it start to crumble, now let's smash it for good. crumble, now let's smash it for aood. �* ., , crumble, now let's smash it for aood. �* . , , ., good. and then a highly personal sto as good. and then a highly personal story as ed _ good. and then a highly personal story as ed davey _ good. and then a highly personal story as ed davey spoke - good. and then a highly personal story as ed davey spoke of - good. and then a highly personal story as ed davey spoke of how. good. and then a highly personall story as ed davey spoke of how as good. and then a highly personal. story as ed davey spoke of how as a child he lost his father and then his mother to cancer. bud child he lost his father and then his mother to cancer. and today, a leral riaht his mother to cancer. and today, a legal right to _ his mother to cancer. and today, a legal right to start _ his mother to cancer. and today, a legal right to start cancer - legal right to start cancer treatment within 60 days of an urgent referral. it was a tough period as a teenager. but it was much tougherfor my period as a teenager. but it was much tougher for my mum. those years were also special. they gave me an incredible bond with my mum. she was so strong. so resilient. fighting to be with her boys, even in the face of such a cruel disease. i like to think i learned a lot from her. i was 15 when she died... thinki learned a lot from her. i was 15 when she died... complete silence in the _ was 15 when she died... complete silence in the hall _ was 15 when she died... complete silence in the hall as _ was 15 when she died... complete silence in the hall as ed _ was 15 when she died... complete silence in the hall as ed davey - was 15 when she died... complete | silence in the hall as ed davey told his story, and then to end... we are the strongest _ his story, and then to end... we are the strongest campaigning - his story, and then to end... we are the strongest campaigning force - his story, and then to end... we are the strongest campaigning force in i the strongest campaigning force in british politics. a, the strongest campaigning force in british politics.— british politics. a pre-election rall in: british politics. a pre-election rallying cry- — british politics. a pre-election rallying cry. the _ british politics. a pre-election rallying cry. the british - british politics. a pre-election| rallying cry. the british people british politics. a pre-election - rallying cry. the british people are deserate rallying cry. the british people are desoerate for _ rallying cry. the british people are desperate for help. _ rallying cry. the british people are desperate for help. the _ rallying cry. the british people are desperate for help. the british - desperate for help. the british people are desperate for change. the british people are desperate for a fair deal and british people are desperate for a fair dealand we are british people are desperate for a fair deal and we are the ones who can make it happen, so let's get to it! cheering and applause beautifully constructed, delivered with a _ beautifully constructed, delivered with a great deal of self—confidence, and with material which _ self—confidence, and with material which must strike right at the heart of the _ which must strike right at the heart of the conservative government's performance, but which brings to the people _ performance, but which brings to the people of— performance, but which brings to the people of the uk a sense of hope and possible _ people of the uk a sense of hope and possible achievement. the _ possible achievement. the lib— possible achievement. the lib dem conference is a bottom-up _ the lib dem conference is a bottom—up democratic- the lib dem conference is a. bottom—up democratic party, the lib dem conference is a - bottom—up democratic party, we the lib dem conference is a _ bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy. _ bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy. the — bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy. the job— bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy, the 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poetry and i- is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely— is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely think— is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely think he - is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely think he did - is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely think he did that. is to turn it into poetry and i- genuinely think he did that today. what _ genuinely think he did that today. what do _ genuinely think he did that today. what do you — genuinely think he did that today. what do you think _ genuinely think he did that today. what do you think this _ genuinely think he did that today. what do you think this dialling - genuinely think he did that today. i what do you think this dialling down certain signature lib dem themes, we don't have the penny on income tax for the nhs, we're not talking about brexit, don't frighten the tory horses? . ., brexit, don't frighten the tory horses? ., , , horses? some of it is “ust pragmatic. i horses? some of it is “ust pragmatic, the i horses? some of it is “ust pragmatic, the cost h horses? some of it isjust pragmatic, the cost of. horses? some of it isjust i pragmatic, the cost of living crisis. — pragmatic, the cost of living crisis, everyone _ pragmatic, the cost of living crisis, everyone is— pragmatic, the cost of living crisis, everyone is hurting, i pragmatic, the cost of living . crisis, everyone is hurting, we don't — crisis, everyone is hurting, we don't want _ crisis, everyone is hurting, we don't want target _ crisis, everyone is hurting, we don't want target individuals. i crisis, everyone is hurting, we - don't want target individuals. with the tax _ don't want target individuals. with the tax rises _ don't want target individuals. with the tax rises. it's— don't want target individuals. with the tax rises. it's not— don't want target individuals. with the tax rises. it's not the - don't want target individuals. with the tax rises. it's not the right - the tax rises. it's not the right time — the tax rises. it's not the right time but— the tax rises. it's not the right time. but also _ the tax rises. it's not the right time. but also we _ the tax rises. it's not the right time. but also we start - the tax rises. it's not the right time. but also we start with l the tax rises. it's not the right. time. but also we start with the electorate. _ time. but also we start with the electorate, want to _ time. but also we start with the electorate, want to talk- time. but also we start with the electorate, want to talk about l time. but also we start with the . electorate, want to talk about the bil electorate, want to talk about the big issues— electorate, want to talk about the big issues people _ electorate, want to talk about the big issues people are _ electorate, want to talk about the big issues people are talking - electorate, want to talk about the | big issues people are talking about and it— big issues people are talking about and it is— big issues people are talking about and it is the — big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, _ big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, it— big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, it is— big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, it is cancer. - big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, it is cancer. horas? and it is the nhs, it is cancer. how times change. _ and it is the nhs, it is cancer. times change, combination and it is the nhs, it is cancer. hut-a. times change, combination of and it is the nhs, it is cancer.- times change, combination of covid and the death of the queen means that the last time the liberal democrats had their annual gathering was right here four years ago. that of course whenjo swinson presented herself as the candidate for prime minister, a position she was going to use to reverse brexit without another referendum. that did not exactly resonate with the electorate, but now the lib dems sense new beginnings are many voters, fed up with the chopping and changing of tory prime ministers, willing to give the lib dem is a fair hearing. taking his leave for now, but this leader believes his party is firmly back on the map. christine jardin is the liberal democrat mp for edinburgh west, and is the party's spokesperson for the cabinet office, women & equalities, and scotland. good evening to you, christine. i am going to mention brexit even though ed davey didn't mention it once today in his speech. because professor sirjohn curtice, you know him well, says you are losing votes to labour because of your reluctance to labour because of your reluctance to talk about rejoining the eu, even though it is official lib dem policy. why are you so reluctant? i think you heard ed davey in that speech, it captivated the audience, making a firm commitment to the european union, to europe, our desire to be as close to europe as we can be, and to rebuild the ties that the conservatives have destroyed at the cost to the british taxpayer, to retailers, to farmers and fishermen, is to students, we want to rebuild that, but it will take time. you can'tjust undo brexit in a single go. find take time. you can't “ust undo brexit in a single go. and nobody thinks that- _ brexit in a single go. and nobody thinks that. doherty _ brexit in a single go. and nobody thinks that. doherty thinks - brexit in a single go. and nobody thinks that. doherty thinks it - brexit in a single go. and nobody l thinks that. doherty thinks it would be simple. but your party's official policy is to rejoin the eu. he didn't once mention we it and ijust wonder how out of touch the leadership s with the party faithful, who would really like to hear you say, will want to rejoin swiftly? hear you say, will want to re'oin swiftl ? . , , , swiftly? the leadership is completely _ swiftly? the leadership is completely in _ swiftly? the leadership is completely in step - swiftly? the leadership is completely in step with l swiftly? the leadership is i completely in step with the membership, because we are all liberal democrats and we all cherish what was a great relationship with europe and we all regret that we have lost it and then we recognise that we have to rebuild it. we have to rebuild the trust, the trade, you know, get back into the agencies that we left, and we have a plan to do that, we have a four step plan to get back to the heart of europe. and yes, it is a long term commitment to be right at the very heart of it, but it is a long—term commitment and we have to take our time to do it properly. what's more, we have to rebuild the relationship in a way that the british public is happy with and can benefit from. that's what we want to do. i with and can benefit from. that's what we want to do.— with and can benefit from. that's what we want to do. i know he will sa in what we want to do. i know he will say in answer _ what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to _ what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to this, _ what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to this, you - what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to this, you will- what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to this, you will say| say in answer to this, you will say you need to focus on winning as many seats as possible at the next what i want to ask is, before the election, do voters have a right to know if your party would go into a coalition with labour in the event of a hung parliament and they were the biggest party? taste parliament and they were the biggest .a ? . ., , ., , ., parliament and they were the biggest party? we have said, you know, you are riaht, party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are _ party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are going _ party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are going to _ party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are going to focus - party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are going to focus on l are right, we are going to focus on winning seats because what the electorate has a right to know is what we would do different from the tories... mt; what we would do different from the tories... g , ., what we would do different from the tories... y , ., ., what we would do different from the tories. . ._ and i tories... my question was... and caettin tories... my question was... and getting to — tories... my question was... and getting to that- _ tories... my question was... and getting to that. they _ tories... my question was... and getting to that. they have - tories... my question was... and getting to that. they have a - tories... my question was... and getting to that. they have a rightj getting to that. they have a right to know if they are going to go and say in mid bedfordshire, they are going to vote to remove the tories from that seat, they need to know what it is that we stand for, and why they should vote for us rather than the tories. after the election people will have made a decision on those policies. i have every respect for the british electorate as did the liberal democrats. 50 electorate as did the liberal democrats.— electorate as did the liberal democrats. , ., . ., democrats. so you are saying that voters do not _ democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have _ democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have a _ democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have a right - democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have a right to - democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have a right to know if your party would go into coalition with the labour party and will only find out afterwards? that is not for i'm _ will only find out afterwards? that is not for i'm saying, _ will only find out afterwards? “inst is not for i'm saying, i'm saying the electorate must decide what they want and that's their decision. at the decide that they want a hung parliament or balanced parliament as we call it now that is up to them and they will vote for us in seats where we can change the government, remove the conservative party. that is what they will decide. and they will decide individually and as constituencies other the country and what we will be doing as you said is to focus on the seats that we can win notjust to focus on the seats that we can win not just from to focus on the seats that we can win notjust from the tories but also from labour in places like sheffield hallam and from the snp in areas like lead dumbarton sheriff. you have been explicit about how much you hate the tories and would never do anything with them again because it was disastrous for you electorally after 2015 but you will not say that about labour? taste electorally after 2015 but you will not say that about labour? we do not have the picture _ not say that about labour? we do not have the picture yet _ not say that about labour? we do not have the picture yet from _ not say that about labour? we do not have the picture yet from the - have the picture yet from the electorate. you said about the tories. what we've said about the toys as we do not like what they've done to the country and we different, we differentiate ourselves. because people respect to every day in places like mid bedfordshire and up and down the country do not like what conservative party has done. so there would be no deal with them? absolutely. 50 there would be no deal with them? absolutel . , ., there would be no deal with them? absolutely-— there would be no dealwith them? absolutel . , ., ., absolutely. so why would you not say that about labour? _ absolutely. so why would you not say that about labour? because - absolutely. so why would you not say that about labour? because what - that about labour? because what we're doing _ that about labour? because what we're doing is _ that about labour? because what we're doing is saying _ that about labour? because what we're doing is saying to _ that about labour? because what we're doing is saying to people i that about labour? because what i we're doing is saying to people vote for us and we can beat the conservative party in area. that is the proposition and we are putting that to the people and they will decide if they think that is what they want. they will decide if what they want. they will decide if what they want. they will decide if what they want is a parliament in which they want is a parliament in which the liberal democrats have an influence and then we will decide what the best way to exert their influence for the british public is. thank you very much for your time. as the lib dem conference wraps up, there are signs tonight of a looming row ahead of labour's. joe's here — what can you tell us? these are slightly controversial changes to the labour party will book approved today at the national executive committee and that will be voted on at the party conference in the next fortnight or so. two members of team keir starmer are confident with this changes and think that they will pass but members to the left of the party are spitting tacks tonight and one told me that these measures are orwellian and hostile to party democracy and another group say keir starmer is trying to turn conference into a happy crabby performing seal show. these are more tweaks than major re—engineering of the party machinery, they change the process of developing policy and also change some roles within constituency labour parties and critics say that this tightens the grip of the leadership at local level and the significantly changes what members can support people who stand against the labour party. currently you cannot support a party organisation that stands against the labour candidate but these rule changes will mean you can't support anyone including for example an independent, thinking potentially of jeremy corbyn if you would stand or jimmy driscoll who was the mayor in the north of tyne bridge and are now blocked from being the labour candidate but will still stand as an independent. if these changes pass and you give support money to these potential candidates you would be in trouble and be thrown out of the party. but the leadership are quite bullish tonight and they seem to like the story being out there once saying that it is proof of being changed labour party unrecognisable for the one that fought the 2019 election. some pretty positive news today from the head of the world's energy watchdog in their latest net zero report. the boss of the internatonal energy agency says the "staggering" growth in renewable energy and green investments in the past couple of years have left him feeling more optimistic about the global efforts to stay within the 1.5 degrees c limit. it's relatively unusual to hear positive words about attempts to manage global warming and the iea executive did say much more needed to be done — but the swift uptake of solar power and electric vehicles was encouraging. here's ben. decarbonisation. net zero. to get there as a planet, we need not only to change the way we power our lives, but to develop some entirely new technologies. the criticism and fear of some has been that too much of the planning for net zero assumes that these new technologies, whether capturing and storing the carbon emissions from factories, producing steel not with fossil fuels like coal, but hydrogen, or mass battery storage to facilitate an electrification revolution, that they will come on stream in the coming years and transition from the drawing board to reality — what if those assumptions are overoptimistic? isn't it a reckless gamble to assume that technological innovation will come to the rescue and spare us from difficult trade—offs that cost us money? well, the good news is that there's evidence that technological innovation for clean energy is materialising and actually at an encouraging rate. two years ago, the international energy agency estimated that around 46% of the emissions reductions needed for net zero were to come from technologies not yet on the market — the purple area here. but look what's happened since then. the technological gap has shrunk quite dramatically to 35%. and remember, this is in just two years. the iea says that among the innovations accounting for this include the fact that demonstration plants for the mass production of green hydrogen started operating this year. green hydrogen is vital for decarbonising shipping, steelmaking and chemical production. in 2021, the world's largest co2 removal plant opened in iceland, and in china, the commercial production of efficient sodium ion batteries, made of a cheaper and more abundant material than regular batteries, was announced this summer. carbon capture and storage technologies are more quickly and more readily coming to market now than, say, perhaps 20 years ago. they were being talked about, but they weren't actually existing. now we're in a situation where we've got prototypes and evidence of them actually working. i think we've definitely got a case for being optimistic. there's also encouraging news from the iea on the adoption of existing clean energy technologies around the globe. look at the trajectories for the deployment of residential electric heat pumps, solar panels, electric vehicles and battery storage. critics argue that the upfront cost of these technologies are prohibitive for households, but the iea says that this rollout rate is in line with its 2021 targets required to meet net zero by 2050. though experts also stressed that as encouraging as these technological developments are, it doesn't mean governments can sit back and watch technology deliver net zero. i don't think you can rely solely on the markets because, you know, government certainly has a role in setting the strategic direction. without that, the markets don't know where they need to be in five, ten, 15, 50 years' time. so government has a role for sure. i do think markets will be important, but equally so is setting out where you want the markets to reach. and the iea stresses that national plans to phase out fossil fuel use still need to speed up. and we saw here in the uk last week how fraught and contentious the politics of net zero can still be. yet today's iea report nevertheless delivers some good news on how technological advances can help us get there. let's talk to camilla born — a climate advisor who was the deputy director of strategy with the uk government for the cop26 climate conference in glasgow. welcome to you. how optimistic are you feeling? i’m welcome to you. how optimistic are you feeling?— you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if ou told you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if you told me _ you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if you told me when _ you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if you told me when i first _ you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if you told me when i first started - you told me when i first started working on this more than an attacker ago that we would be where we are today i

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winds coming in around the irish sea coasts, gusting up to 70mph, but that said, many of us will have quite a quiet start to the day, sunshine for scotland, bright and breezy conditions in eastern england. it is in the middle part of that and in the afternoon that those potentially damaging gusts of wind work into irish sea coasts, could bring down some trees leading to power cuts, transport could be disrupted as well, notjust windy but also very wet. that wet and windy weather on wednesday night will transfer across northern england and scotland where it also could be windy enough to cause one or two impacts, maybe one or two trees down. that system works out of the way for thursday followed by this ridge of high pressure which means the weatherfor a this ridge of high pressure which means the weather for a time will turn quieter on thursday with a bit more sunshine before this next system spreads rain back into western areas, the rain turning increasingly heavy in the afternoon. temperatures staying on the mild side but looking at the outlook over the next few days it looks like the weather is going to generally stay unsettled, plenty of showers across northern areas on friday, to write further south, northern areas on friday, to write furthersouth, into northern areas on friday, to write further south, into the weekend i think rain and showers will be donating. chris fawkes, thank you. that's it. more analysis of the days top stories on newsnight, just getting underway over on bbc two. but here on bbc one, it's time to join our colleagues the war in ukraine through the eyes of one ukrainian brigade — the fighters on the front, and theirfamilies back home. open ended service, just 10 days leave a year, and a high casualty rate — for ukranian soldiers in one unit, life on the front line is fraught and brutal and really hard. they strap grenades to drones bought off amazon and aim for the highest value targets. to years ago would you have imagined doing this? i’ll. to years ago would you have imagined doin: this? �* ., , ., doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can — doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can only — doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can only fight _ doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can only fight and - doing this? i'll, no but what can we do? we can only fight and protect l do? we can only fight and protect our land~ — do? we can only fight and protect our land~ i— do? we can only fight and protect ourland. ijust do? we can only fight and protect our land. ijust wanted to stop and for our— our land. ijust wanted to stop and for our neighbours to go away. also tonight. the lib dems are now an unavowedly anti—tory party — will it lead to electoral success for them in the general election? as their conference draws to a close, we'll talk live to frontbencher christine jardin. and some encouraging words on how the world's faring on hitting its environmental targets. the head of the world's energy watchdog say he's more optimistic than two years ago on reaching net zero by 2050 — a former advisor to cop26 president alok sharma is with us. good evening. for 18 months now the war in ukraine has ground mercilessly on. any russian hopes of an easy advance into kyiv were quickly dashed — but moscow now controls around a fifth of its neighbour's territory. battlelines settled in the spring of last year have in many places barely shifted since. and despite months of fierce fighting, and reports of large losses on both sides, a ukrainian counteroffensive has this summerfailed to dramatically break through. many now expect an enduring and longterm conflict, with kyiv reliant on western backing to hold its line. how then, does the war feel to those on the frontline — and to their families back at home away from ukraine's battlefields? newsnight has secured rare access to one ukrainian unit, the 24th mechanised brigade and through their eyes, over the next three nights, we hope to bring you an insight into the reality of this conflict. right now the 24th brigade are fighting in the donbas in a section of the front between bakhmut and horlivka. sometimes using a0 year old munitions and literally attaching grenades to drones bought off amazon. the men are fathers, sons and husbands — and some had no military experience until russia launched its full—scale invasion last year. newsnight�*s defence editor mark urban filmed with the 24th brigade and their families across 10 days. we'll speak to him in a few minutes, here's the first of his special reports. this is the face of battle. modern war in ukraine. a grenade attached to a commercially made drone, before being sent on its way. these ukrainian soldiers allowed us access to a position several hundred metres from their enemy as they hunted them. now they're stepping up the accuracy of their attacks. with custom made fpv, or first person video drones. we have an assortment of fpv drones, so those are different manufacturers. some are ukrainian. yuri flies them, searching for the highest value targets he can find. we are aiming for big guns, like for example... a grenade launcher? yeah, yeah. automatic grenade launcher and... self—propelled gun? oh, yeah, yeah. self—propelled gun, something like that. and then comes in the lower priority, so just regular troops. two years ago, would you have ever imagined you would be doing this? oh, no, no, for god's sake, no. but what can we do? we can only fight and protect our land. i just want it to stop. and for our neighbours to go away. 52nd year. but looks like new. it's like second world war. we watched as the 24th brigade's drone company armed a variety of munitions, ready to launch at the russians, trying to raise the pain level. they gave us clips of that day's strikes, using air drop munitions, and then flying their fpv into trenches and windows to kill those taking cover. butjust as these men are hunters, they're also being hunted. the 24th brigade artillery often relies on drones to find its targets. but that works in reverse, too. and the guns have to be well camouflaged because the russians are hunting them, as we soon discovered. so we were expecting a fire mission within five minutes, and then word came down on the radio to stand down, because a russian drone has been sighted somewhere near here. and that's really very typical of what's been happening. a constant battle of wits, a deadly battle of wits. these russian videos show the threat that spotters overhead cue a lancet missile onto ukrainian artillery and that as soon as it's fired, it's destroyed. after a tense half hour... ..the ukrainian battery commander is given the go ahead to engage his target. the 152 millimeter howitzer is loaded and its barrel trained onto the right bearing and elevation. no sooner is the shell on its way than we're told to get away from the gun position as soon as we can. we get back to our vehicle. so let's go. past locals, apparently oblivious to the fact a russian shell will soon be heading back. where was the incoming? oh, yeah, i've seen the smoke. it explodes about 300 metres from us. we've had a small taste of the stress these soldiers have to put up with for months. for the battle in this part of the donbas is largely about long range killing with artillery. at the brigade casualty clearing station, a soldier has been brought in. the medics do their survey, but it's apparent that he isn't physically injured. it's described as a panic attack, following an artillery bombardment. he's sedated and the doctors grow nervous that our presence might attract interest to this place. we've had to leave the medical centre because the doctors were worried that our presence at the medical centre might make it a target. the battle in eastern ukraine has become a dreadful endurance test. the 24th brigade provided some of the troops that took part in the year long struggle for bakhmut. their drone company captured these images of a battle that's claimed tens of thousands of lives. this company is one of those that's been pulled back from the trenches to be rebuilt after those recent fights. new arrivals were being integrated with those who emerged from bakhmut. but as one of the medics who treated them explained, the survivors had been deeply marked by the experience. i was like a witness of this trauma because i was in medical company and the guys who was wounded came to us. and those people who was like lightly injured, not so bad, we can speak with them. and like almost five from ten men was with some, um, not only physical injuries but psychological too. their speech was very fast. they don't recognise even their friends and sometimes they don't understand what we say, even. they hear us but can't respond. because of the heavy bombardments? yeah, because of this. it was shelling every time when our guys take to russian positions, the best target for russians is their positions. if the front line has moved little this summer in this part of the east, that's in part because russia can still overmatch ukraine in many ways. these bombs, like with metal pieces plus tnt. we went to the drone company quarters where another yuri, a young venture capitalist from kyiv, told me how he volunteered for the army and what they need to do to outwit the russians. they have a lot more. it's like a factory manufacturing. this is thousands and thousands of drones, while ukraine is for now only starting to make such drones in a big quantities. can you see yourself going back to finance now, or is this too absorbing for the foreseeable future? yes. why not? as for now, our prime target is to make our country safe, to get back our lands. and after that, we can do what we did. i suspect the pay as a soldier is a bit less than in the finance world? oh, much more less. yes. it doesn't matter? it doesn't matter. this was heralded by president zelensky as the year of victories. but although there have been some gains south of here, in general, progress has been slow, not least because it's so hard to advance in this war without being spotted and shelled. what do you think of them? of the russians? after 18 months of this war. do you hate them? do you respect them? what are your feelings about them as an enemy? at the gun position, meanwhile, it's time to reload. this howitzer is nicknamed babushka by its crew because it's getting on a bit, and the shells we saw were made a0 years ago. and just as the demands of this conflict mean all serviceable weapons must be pressed into action, so the gun commander is a 52 year old, trained to do this decades ago for the soviet army, who volunteered to serve again. what was your family's reaction when you went to serve? did they say, forgive me, you're too old. let other people do it. how do people react? with the summer coming to a close, without either side able to claim victory, the brigade, its families and ukrainians more widely must steel themselves for another winter. given the sacrifices made so far, that's a lot to ask, but it's not something the soldiers here see any alternative to. that film was produced by louie harris—white, jon hughes filmed it, and it was edited by richard o'neill. it's on the bbc news youtube channel and later this week there'll be a documentary on iplayer called life, loss and waiting in ukraine. mark, some of the weaponry those guys had looked so rudimentary, but how effective is it?— how effective is it? variable, i would say- — how effective is it? variable, i would say. the _ how effective is it? variable, i would say. the country, - how effective is it? variable, i would say. the country, the l how effective is it? variable, i- would say. the country, the army, that brigade have been through an extraordinary transformation, they've gone through a time when the war which is taking over in the east and a few people knew about it and a few people paid the price into a struggle for national survival into which everything has been thrown, the talents, the link is, the volunteers and all available weapons and technology, so the self—propelled guns you solve earlier than some of the drones are much newer and they are moving, as we see, from the ones thatjust drop things, which has been going on since the beginning of the war, to the so—called first person ones. that is an advance in the sense that you can bombard something with shells all day long but if you can actually find the entrance to a bunker or fly along a high—rise building and into the one that the russians are using as a sniper position, that's quite different and that's what they are doing with those weapons. so it's a very varied picture. we those weapons. so it's a very varied icture. ~ ,., those weapons. so it's a very varied icture. ~ ., picture. we saw from the film some ofthe picture. we saw from the film some of the trauma _ picture. we saw from the film some of the trauma inflicted _ picture. we saw from the film some of the trauma inflicted on _ picture. we saw from the film some of the trauma inflicted on these - of the trauma inflicted on these guys and the stresses are unimaginable for most people. yes. guys and the stresses are unimaginable for most people. yes, i think this business _ unimaginable for most people. yes, i think this business of _ unimaginable for most people. yes, i think this business of being _ unimaginable for most people. yes, i think this business of being under- think this business of being under such heavy bombardment, part of the cables in bakhmut and had to withdraw, they were finally ordered to withdraw among the last ukrainian sender when the russians took it a few months back, and those guys came out deeply marked by this. and you know, they have got to somehow press on with any final date or any knowledge of when they will be able to go home, they are all serving for the duration, as they say. they know their loved ones back home also have got no idea when they are going to be coming home. one of the soldiers said to me, well, at least one good thing now is the nation as a whole understands what we are doing, some in hundreds of thousands have been mobilised and come into it, but of course with that comes loss and longing for people at the front, there will be the subject of tomorrow night's report. singing pretty much every house in this street in yavoriv has been affected by the war and service with the 24th brigade. singing let's talk to lieutenant general ben hodges — former commander of the united states army in europe. thank you for being with us. what do you take from that first film? festival, this was first class work by mark and the team to really get a feel for what's going on on the ground, both from a human perspective as well as a technological perspective. you can see the stress on these guys, but also the grim determination, they are not going to stop. we also the grim determination, they are not going to stop.— are not going to stop. we keep heafina are not going to stop. we keep hearing and — are not going to stop. we keep hearing and we _ are not going to stop. we keep hearing and we keep _ are not going to stop. we keep hearing and we keep reporting | are not going to stop. we keep i hearing and we keep reporting on are not going to stop. we keep - hearing and we keep reporting on the sophisticated weapons that the west are sending but these guys haven't got that. are sending but these guys haven't not that. . .., , got that. yeah. of course the ukrainian _ got that. yeah. of course the ukrainian army _ got that. yeah. of course the ukrainian army is _ got that. yeah. of course the ukrainian army is using - got that. yeah. of course the - ukrainian army is using everything that they can get their hands on, whether it is the old howitzer like the one we just saw, or new equipment that's come in, but they had to start from a low point and of course the going to get an army that is massive in size and quantity of equipment but what has impressed me about ukrainian soldiers from the first time i was on a training exercise with them was how technically savvy they are, how adaptive they are, more than soldiers of any country i've ever seen. . . w' soldiers of any country i've ever seen. . ., a i. soldiers of any country i've ever seen. . ., i. ., , seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the — seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the next _ seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the next president - seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the next president of- seen. can i ask you, if donald trump becomes the next president of the l becomes the next president of the united states, he could pull all support for ukraine pretty swiftly, then what? ~ . ., , support for ukraine pretty swiftly, then what? ~ . . , ., �* , support for ukraine pretty swiftly, then what? ~ . . , ., �*, ., then what? well, certainly that's a possibility- — then what? well, certainly that's a possibility. fortunately, _ then what? well, certainly that's a possibility. fortunately, that's - possibility. fortunately, that's about iii months away before we actually have an election and then it would be a couple more months before he was inaugurated. so this is a lifetime in american politics and that's why i think it is important that president biden along with the prime minister, the german chancellor, president macron, they all decide it is in our best interests that ukraine wins and let's quit dilly—dallying and deliver the things that ukraine needs, no more excuses. but deliver the things that ukraine needs, no more excuses. but the west has been delivering _ needs, no more excuses. but the west has been delivering the _ needs, no more excuses. but the west has been delivering the things - has been delivering the things that ukraine is, ok, it may have taken a bit longer than president zelensky wanted, but it has got a load of stuff now and we are not seeing any kind of breakthrough, really. yes, there have been car keev and kherson but that's it really.— but that's it really. that's not true. but that's it really. that's not true- the _ but that's it really. that's not true. the administration, - but that's it really. that's not true. the administration, thej true. the administration, the american administration and the german government have not delivered what they could deliver in terms of long—range precision weapons. europe has actually provided more than twice as much is what the united states has. a lot of promises have been made but not a lot of stuff that has actually been delivered. what has been delivered, particularly the tanks, they are just now coming up. so the only metric that matters is how much has been delivered that's required to help ukraine win. surrounded numbers and titles mean nothing except when measured against how much is needed for them to win, that's the key. final thought, there is a school of thought that goes, ok, president putin should be able to, for example, keep hold of crimea, which has been occupied by the russians for some years, illegally. has been occupied by the russians forsome years, illegally. do has been occupied by the russians for some years, illegally. do you agree with that?— agree with that? absolutely not. that would _ agree with that? absolutely not. that would be _ agree with that? absolutely not. that would be the _ agree with that? absolutely not. that would be the same - agree with that? absolutely not. that would be the same as - agree with that? absolutely not. l that would be the same as saying, why doesn't the uk go ahead and give up why doesn't the uk go ahead and give up wales or manchester, for the sake of peace? that the russians have that for the sake of peace. of course that's ridiculous. do we think it's ok, like this was the 18th century, to say, come on, ukraine, let them have premiere for the sake of peace? anybody that's cracked open a book knows that russia will not be satisfied with getting any piece of ukrainian land, they have got to be defeated, that's they have got to be defeated, that's the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank ou the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for— the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for being _ the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for being with _ the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for being with us - the only way this ends. ben hodges, thank you for being with us tonight. | thank you for being with us tonight. thanks for the privilege. eight years after being in government with the conservatives, the lib dems are now a noisy anti—tory party. it's why the lib dem leadership at their party's conference in bournemouth hasn't been at all keen to openly bash brexit, or remind voters of its policy to rejon the eu in the long—term. will this strategy pay off at the next general election? here's nick. late summer vibes. and a party sensing changing fortunes after nearly a decade in the doldrums. high hopes of advances at the general election. still a lodestar. this generation aims to repeat the late paddy ashdown's success in taking the party from a pinprick in the polls, to potential kingmaker. look behind you, mr ashdown. that involves capturing a series of true blue seats in the english home counties, dismantling the blue wall. scrapping the penny on income tax for the nhs, scrapping the penny on income tax forthe nhs, an scrapping the penny on income tax for the nhs, an idea which grew from a similar ashdown pledge for education. rebuild relations with the eu but don't mention the b word, wouldn't want to frighten the horses. and scrap national housing targets to keep the home counties happy. this conference said no to that. onto the stage, with the message of the day. we have taken chunks out of the blue wall, we have made it start to crumble, now let's smash it for good. crumble, now let's smash it for aood. �* ., , crumble, now let's smash it for aood. �* . , , ., good. and then a highly personal sto as good. and then a highly personal story as ed _ good. and then a highly personal story as ed davey _ good. and then a highly personal story as ed davey spoke - good. and then a highly personal story as ed davey spoke of - good. and then a highly personal story as ed davey spoke of how. good. and then a highly personall story as ed davey spoke of how as good. and then a highly personal. story as ed davey spoke of how as a child he lost his father and then his mother to cancer. bud child he lost his father and then his mother to cancer. and today, a leral riaht his mother to cancer. and today, a legal right to _ his mother to cancer. and today, a legal right to start _ his mother to cancer. and today, a legal right to start cancer - legal right to start cancer treatment within 60 days of an urgent referral. it was a tough period as a teenager. but it was much tougherfor my period as a teenager. but it was much tougher for my mum. those years were also special. they gave me an incredible bond with my mum. she was so strong. so resilient. fighting to be with her boys, even in the face of such a cruel disease. i like to think i learned a lot from her. i was 15 when she died... thinki learned a lot from her. i was 15 when she died... complete silence in the _ was 15 when she died... complete silence in the hall _ was 15 when she died... complete silence in the hall as _ was 15 when she died... complete silence in the hall as ed _ was 15 when she died... complete silence in the hall as ed davey - was 15 when she died... complete | silence in the hall as ed davey told his story, and then to end... we are the strongest _ his story, and then to end... we are the strongest campaigning - his story, and then to end... we are the strongest campaigning force - his story, and then to end... we are the strongest campaigning force in i the strongest campaigning force in british politics. a, the strongest campaigning force in british politics.— british politics. a pre-election rall in: british politics. a pre-election rallying cry- — british politics. a pre-election rallying cry. the _ british politics. a pre-election rallying cry. the british - british politics. a pre-election| rallying cry. the british people british politics. a pre-election - rallying cry. the british people are deserate rallying cry. the british people are desoerate for _ rallying cry. the british people are desperate for help. _ rallying cry. the british people are desperate for help. the _ rallying cry. the british people are desperate for help. the british - desperate for help. the british people are desperate for change. the british people are desperate for a fair deal and british people are desperate for a fair dealand we are british people are desperate for a fair deal and we are the ones who can make it happen, so let's get to it! cheering and applause beautifully constructed, delivered with a _ beautifully constructed, delivered with a great deal of self—confidence, and with material which _ self—confidence, and with material which must strike right at the heart of the _ which must strike right at the heart of the conservative government's performance, but which brings to the people _ performance, but which brings to the people of— performance, but which brings to the people of the uk a sense of hope and possible _ people of the uk a sense of hope and possible achievement. the _ possible achievement. the lib— possible achievement. the lib dem conference is a bottom-up _ the lib dem conference is a bottom—up democratic- the lib dem conference is a. bottom—up democratic party, the lib dem conference is a - bottom—up democratic party, we the lib dem conference is a _ bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy. _ bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy. the — bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy. the job— bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy, the job of— bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy, the job of the _ bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy, the job of the party- bottom—up democratic party, we make the policy, the job of the party to - the policy, the job of the party to make _ the policy, the job of the party to make that — the policy, the job of the party to make that prose, _ the policy, the job of the party to make that prose, the _ the policy, the job of the party to make that prose, the job- the policy, the job of the party to make that prose, the job at - the policy, the job of the party to make that prose, the job at a - the policy, the job of the party to. make that prose, the job at a later is to turn— make that prose, the job at a later is to turn it — make that prose, the job at a later is to turn it into _ make that prose, the job at a later is to turn it into poetry— make that prose, the job at a later is to turn it into poetry and - make that prose, the job at a later is to turn it into poetry and i- is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely— is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely think— is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely think he - is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely think he did - is to turn it into poetry and i genuinely think he did that. is to turn it into poetry and i- genuinely think he did that today. what _ genuinely think he did that today. what do _ genuinely think he did that today. what do you — genuinely think he did that today. what do you think _ genuinely think he did that today. what do you think this _ genuinely think he did that today. what do you think this dialling - genuinely think he did that today. i what do you think this dialling down certain signature lib dem themes, we don't have the penny on income tax for the nhs, we're not talking about brexit, don't frighten the tory horses? . ., brexit, don't frighten the tory horses? ., , , horses? some of it is “ust pragmatic. i horses? some of it is “ust pragmatic, the i horses? some of it is “ust pragmatic, the cost h horses? some of it isjust pragmatic, the cost of. horses? some of it isjust i pragmatic, the cost of living crisis. — pragmatic, the cost of living crisis, everyone _ pragmatic, the cost of living crisis, everyone is— pragmatic, the cost of living crisis, everyone is hurting, i pragmatic, the cost of living . crisis, everyone is hurting, we don't — crisis, everyone is hurting, we don't want _ crisis, everyone is hurting, we don't want target _ crisis, everyone is hurting, we don't want target individuals. i crisis, everyone is hurting, we - don't want target individuals. with the tax _ don't want target individuals. with the tax rises _ don't want target individuals. with the tax rises. it's— don't want target individuals. with the tax rises. it's not— don't want target individuals. with the tax rises. it's not the - don't want target individuals. with the tax rises. it's not the right - the tax rises. it's not the right time — the tax rises. it's not the right time but— the tax rises. it's not the right time. but also _ the tax rises. it's not the right time. but also we _ the tax rises. it's not the right time. but also we start - the tax rises. it's not the right time. but also we start with l the tax rises. it's not the right. time. but also we start with the electorate. _ time. but also we start with the electorate, want to _ time. but also we start with the electorate, want to talk- time. but also we start with the electorate, want to talk about l time. but also we start with the . electorate, want to talk about the bil electorate, want to talk about the big issues— electorate, want to talk about the big issues people _ electorate, want to talk about the big issues people are _ electorate, want to talk about the big issues people are talking - electorate, want to talk about the | big issues people are talking about and it— big issues people are talking about and it is— big issues people are talking about and it is the — big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, _ big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, it— big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, it is— big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, it is cancer. - big issues people are talking about and it is the nhs, it is cancer. horas? and it is the nhs, it is cancer. how times change. _ and it is the nhs, it is cancer. times change, combination and it is the nhs, it is cancer. hut-a. times change, combination of and it is the nhs, it is cancer.- times change, combination of covid and the death of the queen means that the last time the liberal democrats had their annual gathering was right here four years ago. that of course whenjo swinson presented herself as the candidate for prime minister, a position she was going to use to reverse brexit without another referendum. that did not exactly resonate with the electorate, but now the lib dems sense new beginnings are many voters, fed up with the chopping and changing of tory prime ministers, willing to give the lib dem is a fair hearing. taking his leave for now, but this leader believes his party is firmly back on the map. christine jardin is the liberal democrat mp for edinburgh west, and is the party's spokesperson for the cabinet office, women & equalities, and scotland. good evening to you, christine. i am going to mention brexit even though ed davey didn't mention it once today in his speech. because professor sirjohn curtice, you know him well, says you are losing votes to labour because of your reluctance to labour because of your reluctance to talk about rejoining the eu, even though it is official lib dem policy. why are you so reluctant? i think you heard ed davey in that speech, it captivated the audience, making a firm commitment to the european union, to europe, our desire to be as close to europe as we can be, and to rebuild the ties that the conservatives have destroyed at the cost to the british taxpayer, to retailers, to farmers and fishermen, is to students, we want to rebuild that, but it will take time. you can'tjust undo brexit in a single go. find take time. you can't “ust undo brexit in a single go. and nobody thinks that- _ brexit in a single go. and nobody thinks that. doherty _ brexit in a single go. and nobody thinks that. doherty thinks - brexit in a single go. and nobody thinks that. doherty thinks it - brexit in a single go. and nobody l thinks that. doherty thinks it would be simple. but your party's official policy is to rejoin the eu. he didn't once mention we it and ijust wonder how out of touch the leadership s with the party faithful, who would really like to hear you say, will want to rejoin swiftly? hear you say, will want to re'oin swiftl ? . , , , swiftly? the leadership is completely _ swiftly? the leadership is completely in _ swiftly? the leadership is completely in step - swiftly? the leadership is completely in step with l swiftly? the leadership is i completely in step with the membership, because we are all liberal democrats and we all cherish what was a great relationship with europe and we all regret that we have lost it and then we recognise that we have to rebuild it. we have to rebuild the trust, the trade, you know, get back into the agencies that we left, and we have a plan to do that, we have a four step plan to get back to the heart of europe. and yes, it is a long term commitment to be right at the very heart of it, but it is a long—term commitment and we have to take our time to do it properly. what's more, we have to rebuild the relationship in a way that the british public is happy with and can benefit from. that's what we want to do. i with and can benefit from. that's what we want to do.— with and can benefit from. that's what we want to do. i know he will sa in what we want to do. i know he will say in answer _ what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to _ what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to this, _ what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to this, you - what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to this, you will- what we want to do. i know he will say in answer to this, you will say| say in answer to this, you will say you need to focus on winning as many seats as possible at the next what i want to ask is, before the election, do voters have a right to know if your party would go into a coalition with labour in the event of a hung parliament and they were the biggest party? taste parliament and they were the biggest .a ? . ., , ., , ., parliament and they were the biggest party? we have said, you know, you are riaht, party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are _ party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are going _ party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are going to _ party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are going to focus - party? we have said, you know, you are right, we are going to focus on l are right, we are going to focus on winning seats because what the electorate has a right to know is what we would do different from the tories... mt; what we would do different from the tories... g , ., what we would do different from the tories... y , ., ., what we would do different from the tories. . ._ and i tories... my question was... and caettin tories... my question was... and getting to — tories... my question was... and getting to that- _ tories... my question was... and getting to that. they _ tories... my question was... and getting to that. they have - tories... my question was... and getting to that. they have a - tories... my question was... and getting to that. they have a rightj getting to that. they have a right to know if they are going to go and say in mid bedfordshire, they are going to vote to remove the tories from that seat, they need to know what it is that we stand for, and why they should vote for us rather than the tories. after the election people will have made a decision on those policies. i have every respect for the british electorate as did the liberal democrats. 50 electorate as did the liberal democrats.— electorate as did the liberal democrats. , ., . ., democrats. so you are saying that voters do not _ democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have _ democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have a _ democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have a right - democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have a right to - democrats. so you are saying that voters do not have a right to know if your party would go into coalition with the labour party and will only find out afterwards? that is not for i'm _ will only find out afterwards? that is not for i'm saying, _ will only find out afterwards? “inst is not for i'm saying, i'm saying the electorate must decide what they want and that's their decision. at the decide that they want a hung parliament or balanced parliament as we call it now that is up to them and they will vote for us in seats where we can change the government, remove the conservative party. that is what they will decide. and they will decide individually and as constituencies other the country and what we will be doing as you said is to focus on the seats that we can win notjust to focus on the seats that we can win not just from to focus on the seats that we can win notjust from the tories but also from labour in places like sheffield hallam and from the snp in areas like lead dumbarton sheriff. you have been explicit about how much you hate the tories and would never do anything with them again because it was disastrous for you electorally after 2015 but you will not say that about labour? taste electorally after 2015 but you will not say that about labour? we do not have the picture _ not say that about labour? we do not have the picture yet _ not say that about labour? we do not have the picture yet from _ not say that about labour? we do not have the picture yet from the - have the picture yet from the electorate. you said about the tories. what we've said about the toys as we do not like what they've done to the country and we different, we differentiate ourselves. because people respect to every day in places like mid bedfordshire and up and down the country do not like what conservative party has done. so there would be no deal with them? absolutely. 50 there would be no deal with them? absolutel . , ., there would be no deal with them? absolutely-— there would be no dealwith them? absolutel . , ., ., absolutely. so why would you not say that about labour? _ absolutely. so why would you not say that about labour? because - absolutely. so why would you not say that about labour? because what - that about labour? because what we're doing _ that about labour? because what we're doing is _ that about labour? because what we're doing is saying _ that about labour? because what we're doing is saying to _ that about labour? because what we're doing is saying to people i that about labour? because what i we're doing is saying to people vote for us and we can beat the conservative party in area. that is the proposition and we are putting that to the people and they will decide if they think that is what they want. they will decide if what they want. they will decide if what they want. they will decide if what they want is a parliament in which they want is a parliament in which the liberal democrats have an influence and then we will decide what the best way to exert their influence for the british public is. thank you very much for your time. as the lib dem conference wraps up, there are signs tonight of a looming row ahead of labour's. joe's here — what can you tell us? these are slightly controversial changes to the labour party will book approved today at the national executive committee and that will be voted on at the party conference in the next fortnight or so. two members of team keir starmer are confident with this changes and think that they will pass but members to the left of the party are spitting tacks tonight and one told me that these measures are orwellian and hostile to party democracy and another group say keir starmer is trying to turn conference into a happy crabby performing seal show. these are more tweaks than major re—engineering of the party machinery, they change the process of developing policy and also change some roles within constituency labour parties and critics say that this tightens the grip of the leadership at local level and the significantly changes what members can support people who stand against the labour party. currently you cannot support a party organisation that stands against the labour candidate but these rule changes will mean you can't support anyone including for example an independent, thinking potentially of jeremy corbyn if you would stand or jimmy driscoll who was the mayor in the north of tyne bridge and are now blocked from being the labour candidate but will still stand as an independent. if these changes pass and you give support money to these potential candidates you would be in trouble and be thrown out of the party. but the leadership are quite bullish tonight and they seem to like the story being out there once saying that it is proof of being changed labour party unrecognisable for the one that fought the 2019 election. some pretty positive news today from the head of the world's energy watchdog in their latest net zero report. the boss of the internatonal energy agency says the "staggering" growth in renewable energy and green investments in the past couple of years have left him feeling more optimistic about the global efforts to stay within the 1.5 degrees c limit. it's relatively unusual to hear positive words about attempts to manage global warming and the iea executive did say much more needed to be done — but the swift uptake of solar power and electric vehicles was encouraging. here's ben. decarbonisation. net zero. to get there as a planet, we need not only to change the way we power our lives, but to develop some entirely new technologies. the criticism and fear of some has been that too much of the planning for net zero assumes that these new technologies, whether capturing and storing the carbon emissions from factories, producing steel not with fossil fuels like coal, but hydrogen, or mass battery storage to facilitate an electrification revolution, that they will come on stream in the coming years and transition from the drawing board to reality — what if those assumptions are overoptimistic? isn't it a reckless gamble to assume that technological innovation will come to the rescue and spare us from difficult trade—offs that cost us money? well, the good news is that there's evidence that technological innovation for clean energy is materialising and actually at an encouraging rate. two years ago, the international energy agency estimated that around 46% of the emissions reductions needed for net zero were to come from technologies not yet on the market — the purple area here. but look what's happened since then. the technological gap has shrunk quite dramatically to 35%. and remember, this is in just two years. the iea says that among the innovations accounting for this include the fact that demonstration plants for the mass production of green hydrogen started operating this year. green hydrogen is vital for decarbonising shipping, steelmaking and chemical production. in 2021, the world's largest co2 removal plant opened in iceland, and in china, the commercial production of efficient sodium ion batteries, made of a cheaper and more abundant material than regular batteries, was announced this summer. carbon capture and storage technologies are more quickly and more readily coming to market now than, say, perhaps 20 years ago. they were being talked about, but they weren't actually existing. now we're in a situation where we've got prototypes and evidence of them actually working. i think we've definitely got a case for being optimistic. there's also encouraging news from the iea on the adoption of existing clean energy technologies around the globe. look at the trajectories for the deployment of residential electric heat pumps, solar panels, electric vehicles and battery storage. critics argue that the upfront cost of these technologies are prohibitive for households, but the iea says that this rollout rate is in line with its 2021 targets required to meet net zero by 2050. though experts also stressed that as encouraging as these technological developments are, it doesn't mean governments can sit back and watch technology deliver net zero. i don't think you can rely solely on the markets because, you know, government certainly has a role in setting the strategic direction. without that, the markets don't know where they need to be in five, ten, 15, 50 years' time. so government has a role for sure. i do think markets will be important, but equally so is setting out where you want the markets to reach. and the iea stresses that national plans to phase out fossil fuel use still need to speed up. and we saw here in the uk last week how fraught and contentious the politics of net zero can still be. yet today's iea report nevertheless delivers some good news on how technological advances can help us get there. let's talk to camilla born — a climate advisor who was the deputy director of strategy with the uk government for the cop26 climate conference in glasgow. welcome to you. how optimistic are you feeling? i’m welcome to you. how optimistic are you feeling?— you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if ou told you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if you told me _ you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if you told me when _ you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if you told me when i first _ you feeling? i'm feeling hopeful, if you told me when i first started - you told me when i first started working on this more than an attacker ago that we would be where we are today i

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