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in that speech in washington today suella braverman said the way asylum seekers "shop around", her words, for a preferred destination is "absurd and unsustainable. she has called for an overhaul of the un convention. we will get reaction tonight from the united states and a legal expert here in the uk. there is another refugee crisis developing in armenia. tens of thousands on the road, fleeing nagorno karabach, where azeri troops have taken control. and new evidence in the murder of a sikh separatist, that canada has blamed on india. a video that captured the events, shows a much more complex operation than authorities had previously thought. good evening. in the last ten days 11,000 migrants have arrived on the small italian island of lampedusa. 0n the southern border of the united states 9000 are crossing every day. the united states immigration courts currently have a backlog of 2.6 million cases, of which 1.2 million were added since october. and far behind the numbers in context of 23,000 is modest. far behind the numbers arriving in southern europe. nontheless it is the british home secretary leading the charge for reform. she travelled to washington today, to call for reform of the un refugee convention. she says the west needs a narrower definition of the term "refugee", and that convention first signed in 1951 is now out of date. illegal migration is not merely a cyclical problem, it is a permanent and structural challenge to the developed nations in general and the west in particular. unless we act, it will only worsen in the years to come. war, political instability and climate change will have of course exacerbate migration flows. according to the un, at the end of 2022, there were over 108 million forcibly displaced people globally. with 29 million considered to be refugees by the unhcr. but we must be honest — the fundamental drivers of this epoch defining challenge our economics and demography. injanuary, the world economic forum set that made igration will become one of the top five global risks in the next decade ahead of national resource crisis, geo—economic confrontation and environmental disasters. before we get thoughts on this, let's quickly return to what the original convention says. it was draughted post war, in 1951, when millions of people in europe had been forcibly displaced. it defined refugee status, as... it created in international law, a minimum standard for the treatment of refugees and it stipulate refugees cannot be penalised for breaching immigration rules while fleeing. almost 150 countries have signed up to the convention. it is still considered the cornerstone of the international asylum system. joining me now is dr s chelvan, an immigration barrister and adjunct professor at southampton law school. do you accept the home secretaries broad premise that the refugee convention is out of date and now being misused?— being misused? fearing as an immigration _ being misused? fearing as an immigration lawyer— being misused? fearing as an immigration lawyer and - being misused? fearing as an l immigration lawyer and rhetoric being misused? fearing as an - immigration lawyer and rhetoric on her speech i was expecting rivers of blood which is more rivers of blood. i talked for over 30 minutes where there was a loto technical error in relation to the law. for example, —— technical error. the 51 convention will be known and that was amended by the 1967 protocol article 182. she refers also to game and and women and being able to claim asylum or purely on the basis that you're facing discrimination. i was very concerned at the beginning that this was going to be a speech which would directly impact on the uk's approach to refugees in cases when the majority, 90% was based on cultural norms regarding nationality and multiculturalism. and only about 5% refugee cases. the vast majority of her speech was technically erroneous. the sign pose is never aboutjust erroneous. the sign pose is never about just up the erroneous. the sign pose is never aboutjust up the boat, it stop any refugee coming to the uk and claiming asylum through their own means. and being afforded sanctuary for that it touched on the disparity between the figures and those in other countries more sorely affected. it other countries more sorely affected. , other countries more sorely affected-— other countries more sorely affected. , . , , affected. it is true what she says that cities and _ affected. it is true what she says that cities and countries - affected. it is true what she says that cities and countries cannot i that cities and countries cannot grow exponentially and provide the services for tens of thousands of people arriving at once without breaking the trust and charity of people who do want to extend help to those genuinely at risk of persecution. it is undeniable that mixed in with those asylum—seekers, those genuine asylum—seekers are tens and tens of thousands of economic migrants.— tens and tens of thousands of economic migrants. tens and tens of thousands of economic miarants. a, , economic migrants. okay. the figures unsuworted — economic migrants. okay. the figures unsuworted by _ economic migrants. okay. the figures unsuworted by the — economic migrants. okay. the figures unsupported by the facts. _ economic migrants. okay. the figures unsupported by the facts. let's - unsupported by the facts. let's break that down a bit for the diverse issues related, not everybody�*s arriving en masse. the uk government has created this problem, there are 175,000 refugees came for asylum who are awaiting a decision on their asylum claims. the immigration minister only a few months ago said that his core priority was not to reduce the numbers waiting to get refugee claims that's why we've got the overbearing burden upon our housing crisis in relation to... you overbearing burden upon our housing crisis in relation to. . ._ crisis in relation to... you talking specifically _ crisis in relation to... you talking specifically about _ crisis in relation to... you talking specifically about the _ crisis in relation to... you talking specifically about the uk - crisis in relation to... you talking specifically about the uk i'm - specifically about the uk i'm talking about the wider debate. it is undeniable, it had 11,000 arriving lamp dues or whether they have space before hundred foot up there are 9000 come across every day across a texan border. they have 1.2 million cases to be processed since october. {lily million cases to be processed since october. , , ~ million cases to be processed since october. , , . ., october. oh yes. when looking at the ulobal october. oh yes. when looking at the global crisis. — october. oh yes. when looking at the global crisis, remember— october. oh yes. when looking at the global crisis, remember the _ october. oh yes. when looking at the global crisis, remember the figures i global crisis, remember the figures in relation to displaced people all internal relocation server going to another part of their own country. the majority of refugees, when you look at the focus in sub—saharan africa and neighbouring countries for that when we look at the numbers they are not all coming at once. yes, with got crisis point in relation to what's happening in italy. that's why the european union has gone with this framework regarding sharing of refugees across the union. note that it is just conservative government that doubted european union and brexit not to be part of that agreement. yes on a global crisis we've got to get that response and focus at the majority of refugees are not coming from mexico. the home secretary talked about their 780 million who would want to come to the uk. i want to win the lottery, that doesn't mean that i'll get a win the lottery. we've got to get a reality check on this. what we've got to is on getting resources. take another contrast, you look atjapan, singapore, they've got birth rates which basically nail. they don't have younger generations coming in through the birth rate to be able to care for the elderly, to care two pay for care for elderly for is imperative to the cumulation to a chore that where there are two i was amazed home secretary talked about one and five are migrants, we need to have birth rates otherwise were not to have people to be able to look after our elderly and be able to grow our population. that look after our elderly and be able to grow our population.— to grow our population. that is certainly true _ to grow our population. that is certainly true of _ to grow our population. that is certainly true of a _ to grow our population. that is certainly true of a lot - to grow our population. that is certainly true of a lot of - to grow our population. that is i certainly true of a lot of western countries where labour supplies are under great strain at the moment. stayed there. i want to bring in anthony is darker for reaction from the united states. —— sacher. 0ne anthony is darker for reaction from the united states. —— sacher. one of the united states. —— sacher. one of the things she pinpointed was the inadequate interview that all those arriving. how big a problem has happened in your home state of texas where they are currently streaming across the border? it’s where they are currently streaming across the border?— across the border? it's been a big roblem across the border? it's been a big problem in _ across the border? it's been a big problem in texas _ across the border? it's been a big problem in texas and _ across the border? it's been a big problem in texas and a _ across the border? it's been a big problem in texas and a problem i across the border? it's been a big i problem in texas and a problem that the republican government doing governor— the republican government doing governor of texas is trying to address— governor of texas is trying to address without putting migrants on buses— address without putting migrants on buses and _ address without putting migrants on buses and sending them to major northern— buses and sending them to major northern cities like new york city and washington, dc. there's a process— and washington, dc. there's a process for— and washington, dc. there's a process for hondurans just down from the washington bureau of bbc news, you see _ the washington bureau of bbc news, you see people lined up around the block— you see people lined up around the block every day trying to get their immigration papers confirmed. chicago, — immigration papers confirmed. chicago, los angeles, it's swapping the border— chicago, los angeles, it's swapping the border towns but what the texas governor _ the border towns but what the texas governor has been doing is picking them _ governor has been doing is picking them up _ governor has been doing is picking them up and moving them elsewhere in them up and moving them elsewhere in the country— them up and moving them elsewhere in the country and that is creating a processing — the country and that is creating a processing challenge even in places like new_ processing challenge even in places like new york that is declared a state _ like new york that is declared a state of— like new york that is declared a state of emergency because they are social— state of emergency because they are social services have been swapped by the number— social services have been swapped by the number of undocumented migrants arriving _ the number of undocumented migrants arrivinu. ., ., , ,, arriving. reform on this issue as we well know. — arriving. reform on this issue as we well know. we _ arriving. reform on this issue as we well know, we discuss _ arriving. reform on this issue as we well know, we discuss it _ arriving. reform on this issue as we well know, we discuss it many - arriving. reform on this issue as we| well know, we discuss it many times is been elusive even at a national level. no wood in congress would dispute as a crisis in the southern border. if you can't buy reform at a national level what hope among 150 nations at a signatory to this convention? i nations at a signatory to this convention?— nations at a signatory to this convention? , , ., ,, ., , convention? i can speak to it being a challenge — convention? i can speak to it being a challenge here _ convention? i can speak to it being a challenge here in _ convention? i can speak to it being a challenge here in the _ convention? i can speak to it being a challenge here in the united - a challenge here in the united states — a challenge here in the united states. part of that is because republicans see the problem and their solution is increased border security, — their solution is increased border security, turning people back at the border— security, turning people back at the border and — security, turning people back at the border and having a wall along the us— mexico border and more draconian immigration _ us— mexico border and more draconian immigration policies. democrats look at the _ immigration policies. democrats look at the exact— immigration policies. democrats look at the exact same problem and they see a _ at the exact same problem and they see a problem of accommodation for these _ see a problem of accommodation for these migrants who are coming across — these migrants who are coming across. they want to have a more humanitarian programme and they are trying _ humanitarian programme and they are trying to— humanitarian programme and they are trying to control this immigration at the _ trying to control this immigration at the source in places like venezuela and southern districts of mexico _ venezuela and southern districts of mexico and central america for that it's creating — mexico and central america for that it's creating this drive of people who are — it's creating this drive of people who are leaving their own countries because _ who are leaving their own countries because their life there is so bad that they— because their life there is so bad that they are willing to risk the migration— that they are willing to risk the migration across mexico and into the united _ migration across mexico and into the united states even without any kind of guarantee they will be given a home here. of guarantee they will be given a home here-— of guarantee they will be given a home here. that is the point is it not that the _ home here. that is the point is it not that the home _ home here. that is the point is it not that the home secretary wasj not that the home secretary was making today? these are not people necessarily at risk of persecution although some may well be, this is a train of people coming because of climate change, because their economic circumstances have changed dramatically and because there is the promise of a much better life across the american border. what she is saying is there needs to be a change to the convention to recognise the reality of where we're 70 odd years on from the signing of the original convention. i 70 odd years on from the signing of the original convention.— the original convention. i think she had an interesting _ the original convention. i think she had an interesting line _ the original convention. i think she had an interesting line about - the original convention. i think she had an interesting line about the l had an interesting line about the immigration policies were crafted for in _ immigration policies were crafted for in electronic age and gender travels— for in electronic age and gender travels up— for in electronic age and gender travels up the reality is most people — travels up the reality is most people coming across the united states— people coming across the united states border from mexico, they're not coming — states border from mexico, they're not coming in both psych and the uk, not coming in both psych and the uk, not coming _ not coming in both psych and the uk, not coming in both psych and the uk, not coming in plants, they are coming — not coming in plants, they are coming on _ not coming in plants, they are coming on foot or hopping on trains. and there _ coming on foot or hopping on trains. and there are a number of different reasons _ and there are a number of different reasons -- — and there are a number of different reasons. —— not coming on planes. causing _ reasons. —— not coming on planes. causing of— reasons. —— not coming on planes. causing of swing and across is venezuela and the situation humanitarian, economic, political in venezuela _ humanitarian, economic, political in venezuela is — humanitarian, economic, political in venezuela is creating a hemispheric refugee _ venezuela is creating a hemispheric refugee crisis. a crisis like columbia _ refugee crisis. a crisis like columbia are having to deal with them _ columbia are having to deal with them in — columbia are having to deal with them in mexico and now it is filling up them in mexico and now it is filling up onto— them in mexico and now it is filling up onto the — them in mexico and now it is filling up onto the border of the united states — up onto the border of the united states. that's not a question of reforming — states. that's not a question of reforming the policies if people are willing _ reforming the policies if people are willing to _ reforming the policies if people are willing to leave venezuela no matter what just _ willing to leave venezuela no matter what just to get out of the country because _ what just to get out of the country because their lives there are unsustainable.— because their lives there are unsustainable. , , ., ., unsustainable. maybe it is reform of the wa we unsustainable. maybe it is reform of the way we deal _ unsustainable. maybe it is reform of the way we deal with _ unsustainable. maybe it is reform of the way we deal with conflicts in - the way we deal with conflicts in refugee crisis around the world that is much more urgent at this point in time. the point is, as anthony said, governments are taking things into their own hands with more draconian measures. isn't there a risk that if you don't reform the convention then simply countries opt out? i you don't reform the convention then simply countries opt out?— simply countries opt out? i think that's for countries _ simply countries opt out? i think that's for countries to _ simply countries opt out? i think that's for countries to decide. i simply countries opt out? i think. that's for countries to decide. the problem with the home secretary is she wants a burden of information for refugees to claim asylum once she says it's a safe country for the conventions, article 31 is not in relation to the method orjourney of those individuals who claim asylum on that is subjective. unfortunately, the detail in hand, it doesn't stack up to what the realities of this without a right wing political talk to put on the scrapbook for political leadership and nothing really to do with actual change in relation to how the world treats refugees. haifa change in relation to how the world treats refugees.— treats refugees. how much do you think this becomes _ treats refugees. how much do you think this becomes part _ treats refugees. how much do you think this becomes part of - treats refugees. how much do you think this becomes part of the - think this becomes part of the debate next year and the general election? is immigration at the top of list of peoples priorities? it's hirh u- of list of peoples priorities? it's high up on _ of list of peoples priorities? it's high up on the list. it was back in 2016— high up on the list. it was back in 2016 if— high up on the list. it was back in 2016 if you — high up on the list. it was back in 2016 if you will recall as well. donald — 2016 if you will recall as well. donald trump made immigration and building _ donald trump made immigration and building a border wall and stopping migrants _ building a border wall and stopping migrants coming into the us a central— migrants coming into the us a central theme in his presidential campaign, that generated resentment, an-er campaign, that generated resentment, anger from _ campaign, that generated resentment, anger from his base at something was bein- anger from his base at something was being deprived of them by this rising — being deprived of them by this rising immigration. donald trump is probably— rising immigration. donald trump is probably going to be the nominee and a-ain probably going to be the nominee and again and _ probably going to be the nominee and again and i_ probably going to be the nominee and again and i think it is a guarantee that he _ again and i think it is a guarantee that he will— again and i think it is a guarantee that he will make immigration and other— that he will make immigration and other central component of his presidential campaign. joe biden because — presidential campaign. joe biden because of this update in migration that has— because of this update in migration that has happened during his three years— that has happened during his three years as _ that has happened during his three years as president, he can have the answer— years as president, he can have the answer for— years as president, he can have the answer for that. that's can be a criticism — answer for that. that's can be a criticism that he is going to have to respond — criticism that he is going to have to respond to because if you look at polls it _ to respond to because if you look at polls it is _ to respond to because if you look at polls it is an— to respond to because if you look at polls it is an issue that americans do care _ polls it is an issue that americans do care about. they see the pictures. _ do care about. they see the pictures, read the newspapers, as far as _ pictures, read the newspapers, as far as they— pictures, read the newspapers, as far as they know it's going on not only on— far as they know it's going on not only on the — far as they know it's going on not only on the border but in cities like new— only on the border but in cities like new york and chicago and los angeles _ like new york and chicago and los angeles that having to deal with the crisis _ angeles that having to deal with the crisis. ., , . ~' angeles that having to deal with the crisis. ., , a ., angeles that having to deal with the crisis. ., , ., , , ., crisis. you picked out plenty of inconsistencies _ crisis. you picked out plenty of inconsistencies in _ crisis. you picked out plenty of inconsistencies in her - crisis. you picked out plenty of. inconsistencies in her argument. there was just what i want to pick up there was just what i want to pick up on, she said for instance, being gay from a country that outlawed homosexuality is now effectively enough to qualify for protection. i had a look at that from the research i've looked at, lgbtu, sexual orientation is cited in only 1% of asylum claims. is he talking about something that's not actually a problem? i something that's not actually a roblem? ~ , , ., ., problem? i think she needs to go back and read _ problem? i think she needs to go back and read asylum _ problem? i think she needs to go back and read asylum lot - problem? i think she needs to go back and read asylum lot 101. - problem? i think she needs to go back and read asylum lot 101. it'sj back and read asylum lot 101. it's is to present claims from last year with making quite clear not only do you have to be gay, lesbian or bisexual but you have to be from a country where openly gay people face a well—founded fear of persecution. that's been the law for... since we been looking at claims. to say things ofjust being gay or a woman or being from a country where you may face discrimination is not a point unfamiliar with. that's a cat his way to put it in relation to the law on refugee status.— his way to put it in relation to the law on refugee status. always good to net our law on refugee status. always good to get your ex _ law on refugee status. always good to get your ex processes _ law on refugee status. always good to get your ex processes for - law on refugee status. always good to get your ex processes for the - to get your ex processes for the entity zurcher, thank you. —— anthony zurcher. —— anthony zurcher. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. the former cop 26 president says he will not stand at the next general election, the tory mp for writing lessons 2010 made the announcement on x formally noticed twitter saying it's not an easy decision and he will continue to support his conservative colleagues and shipping causes such as climate action. hundreds of schools across scotland were closed today because of a three—day strike by support staff. members of unison who include teaching assistants, caterers and cleaners walked out over pay, after last minute talks failed. johnna baxter, the local government negotiator for unison scotland, says her members need a serious pay offer. a hospital trust has blamed computer errorfor 2a,000 letters not being sent to patients and their gps. newcastle hospitals has apologised for the issue, which dates back to 2018. many of the letters explained what should happen when patients were discharged. but a significant number were written by specialist clinics spelling out required care. you're live with bbc news. the fbi issued warnings to at least three people active in the sea can in the united states at their lives were in dangerjust days after the murder in june. last week the canadian prime ministerjustin trudeau blamed the assassination on the indian government, allegations based in part on information gathered by one of canada's partners, in the intelligence—sharing five eyes alliance. the new reporting suggest that partner could well have been the united states. today the washington post reported that it has seen a video shared with investigators. it is a 90—second recording of hardeep singh nijjar�*s murder outside his place of worship in british columbia which points to a larger and more organised operation than has previously been reported. i must point out, we have not seen this video, so we can't independly verify it. but we can speak to a reporter who has watched it. she is the post's maham javaid who joins us from washington. thank you for coming on the program. describe it for us. what do you see in this 92nd video? in describe it for us. what do you see in this 92nd video?— in this 92nd video? in the 92nd video you _ in this 92nd video? in the 92nd video you can _ in this 92nd video? in the 92nd video you can see _ in this 92nd video? in the 92nd video you can see hardeep - in this 92nd video? in the 92nd i video you can see hardeep singh nijjar�*s car pull up from his parking lot. you can see his car try to drive towards the exit centre in british columbia for the on the left—hand side you see a white sudan come towards it put up at one point for a while both cars are driving to each other. in the video you can notice then back of a's scar the white car also speeds up showing that they are maintaining pace. as hardeep singh nijjar�*s's car merges onto the left lane to fully exit that's when the white sudan accelerates, speeds up and comes in front of it to block hardeep singh nijjar�*s's scar. i think it's important to know you can see in the video hardeep singh nijjar�*s was blocked and shot by the government while he was inside, which is an important detail because as a community member said, they were very upset at the killing but they made a note of the fact that they did this inside.— did this inside. what you've seen ou did this inside. what you've seen you would _ did this inside. what you've seen you would suggest _ did this inside. what you've seen you would suggest that - did this inside. what you've seen you would suggest that this - did this inside. what you've seen . you would suggest that this involves multiple people and it looks like a coordinated attack? the multiple people and it looks like a coordinated attack?— coordinated attack? the fact that the car was _ coordinated attack? the fact that the car was following _ coordinated attack? the fact that the car was following him, - coordinated attack? the fact that the car was following him, the i coordinated attack? the fact that i the car was following him, the fact there was a car waiting for him, the fact that this is one car and we believe there's a second car which is a silver getaway car. witnesses told me there were three people, three other people already inside that car that these two gunmen got into for the it would suggest that at least six people and two cars and ball, which leads us to believe that this is a much more complex and coordinated operations that we previously thought that it was. what previously thought that it was. what else do we know _ previously thought that it was. what else do we know that _ previously thought that it was. what else do we know that has come out from the canadian media sense mr trudeau made this announcement? what do we know about their reasoning behind his announcement? the reasonin: behind his announcement? tia: reasoning behind his announcement is an investigation or intelligence gathering that is happening at the federal level, international level. the investigation that i was able... the investigation that i was able... the video i saw was at the local level. it was a local investigation being done by ih id. we're not sure, i cannot speak to the fact that the local authorities and the federal authorities are sharing information, i can't speak to the fact that whether they are basing these allegations on what the local authorities have gathered. that might be two separate sources of information for all that we know. right. when you put it all together and we pull in the statement from the fbi or the evidence that they were advising people in the united states to be carefuljust days were advising people in the united states to be careful just days after this murder, does it surprise you that other western governments, although dave been lukewarm in their support forjustin trudeau, that's as far as they gone. why do you think that is? is because of lack of evidence or a more geopolitical reason behind that?— evidence or a more geopolitical reason behind that? yes, that's for each government _ reason behind that? yes, that's for each government to _ reason behind that? yes, that's for each government to decide - reason behind that? yes, that's for each government to decide on - each government to decide on their own photo think is more evidence... as more evidence comes through as it investigation of luzon, community members and residents around people involved, they all say it's very slow moving investigation. i think we're past the three month mark already and it is very little that the police have announced publicly. i think is more information comes, is more evidence is released and shared with people, perhaps things will change geopolitically is what i can say. will change geopolitically is what i can sa . a, will change geopolitically is what i can sa . ., , will change geopolitically is what i cansa. ., , , will change geopolitically is what i cansa. ., , can say. okay. that gives us some new information. _ can say. okay. that gives us some new information. we _ can say. okay. that gives us some new information. we will- can say. okay. that gives us some new information. we will wait - can say. okay. that gives us some new information. we will wait to i can say. okay. that gives us some l new information. we will wait to see with the canadian government makes of it. thank you for coming on the program. ina in a closely related issue the armenian government says they have taken and 28,000 refugees who crossed into the country from back once. the only road connecting armenia to the enclave is now packed with hundreds of cars and buses, carrying those who are desperate to get out. the government in azerbeijan says it wants to re—integrate ethnic armenians as "equal citizens". but the armenian prime minister nikol pashinyan, says that statement is designed to mask a process of ethnic cleansing that is "under way". the enclave of nagorno karabach is internationally recognised as part of azerbeijan, but for three decades it has been under the control of the karabach armed forces, who now have surrendered and disarmed. sarah rainsford is in goris, in armenia just across the border. well, this refugee reception center just behind me here is now working through the night because the number of ethnic armenians who are now fleeing nagorno—karabakh and heading here to armenia is growing all the time. we were up at the the last checkpoints out of nagorno—karabakh earlier today, and we saw hundreds of people coming across every hour and they were really crammed into the tiniest of cars, huge families squeezed into the cars with everything they could possibly carry. they got roof racks piled high. i saw a dumper truck, in fact, with 25 children in the back of that truck. so huge numbers now coming across. now, azerbaijan has said that it will guarantee the safety of any ethnic armenians who choose to stay in nagorno—karabakh. but i've been speaking to people about that and asking them why they're leaving, and they say they just don't trust those promises. there's too much history, too much bad blood, they are afraid to stay. it's not that there's someone actually forcing them to leave physically, but they are afraid. they tell me to stay there. and the other thing to mention about this, you know, when i ask people whether they think they'll be going home, i have not met a single person here who thinks they'll ever go back to nagorno—karabakh. it feels much more like an exodus than a temporary evacuation. 0ne one of the human rights observers for the united states said today that she gathered evidence was harrowing. as you saw, the us government provided tell million dollars to help those crossing into our we will take a short break up the other side we will talk about the other side we will talk about the fruit and vegetables on your plate and how they might be changing to reflect our changing climate. also, airbnb and the vice premier in italy said today that the restrictions on airbnb go too far. do they? should be allowed so many houses to be rented in our cities? we will discuss at just after the break. hello there. the day's heavy rain and showers will continue to ease away through this evening, and overnight it will turn a lot drier for many with lengthy, clearskies, lighterwinds, particularly across the northern half of the country. that'll make it turn quite chilly across some of the scottish glens. but it's all change to the south. we're looking at this system deepening as it's approaching ireland. this is storm agnes. now, this will start to throw up some cloud in towards southern and western areas as we move through the night and the wind will start to pick up here as well. so temperatures are on the rise here, in fact — the low to mid—teens here but a chillier night to come across the north. so storm agnes, then, likely to bring some impacts to western parts of the country on wednesday, with rain and gales. we could see severe gales around some of the irish sea coasts as this storm moves its way northwards, but it will be weakening as it continues to move northwards. by far, the biggest impacts will be across central and southern parts of ireland. but around irish sea coasts, like i mentioned, we could see 60 to 70 mile an hour gusts, maybe a bit more than that. north—west wales, pembrokeshire, north—west england and south—west scotland, favoured spots for some of the strongest gusts. heavy rain also spinning northwards with the strong winds as we move through the morning, into the afternoon, eventually pushing across into scotland. but much of central and certainly eastern and south—east england will avoid all the action and, in fact, stay largely dry. it will be breezy, but there'll be some sunshine. top temperatures, 22 degrees here, but further north and west, around the mid—teens, with the gales and the rain. the strong winds, the gales, the rain push northwards across scotland. storm agnes eventually exits the uk in towards the norwegian sea by the end of the night. but a fairly mild night to come. temperatures in double figures for most. so to thursday, then, we're in between weather systems. there are more ganging up on us as we head into friday and the weekend, generally affecting northern and western areas. but thursday actually doesn't look too bad. the winds still a feature, but not as strong as what we expect on wednesday. there'll be some good spells of sunshine around, but i think cloud will tend to build through the day and we'll start to see another frontal system pushing into the west. that'll bring rain to northern ireland, scotland, perhaps western england and wales by the end of the day. a little bit cooler, i think, across the board. 20 degrees at best in the south—east, mid—teens further north and west. and then like i mentioned, there will be further frontal systems moving into northern and western parts of the country. better chance of staying dry this weekend in the south. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. a new plan by the italian government which would impose a two—night minimum stay in airbnb flats is criticised by it's own deputy prime minister matteo salvini. sport and for a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre now. hello from the bbc sport centre. all home nations were in action tonight in the women's nations league. for englands manager sarina weigman, it was a match which held extra significance, as she returned to her home nation — and former employer — the 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in that speech in washington today suella braverman said the way asylum seekers "shop around", her words, for a preferred destination is "absurd and unsustainable. she has called for an overhaul of the un convention. we will get reaction tonight from the united states and a legal expert here in the uk. there is another refugee crisis developing in armenia. tens of thousands on the road, fleeing nagorno karabach, where azeri troops have taken control. and new evidence in the murder of a sikh separatist, that canada has blamed on india. a video that captured the events, shows a much more complex operation than authorities had previously thought. good evening. in the last ten days 11,000 migrants have arrived on the small italian island of lampedusa. 0n the southern border of the united states 9000 are crossing every day. the united states immigration courts currently have a backlog of 2.6 million cases, of which 1.2 million were added since october. and far behind the numbers in context of 23,000 is modest. far behind the numbers arriving in southern europe. nontheless it is the british home secretary leading the charge for reform. she travelled to washington today, to call for reform of the un refugee convention. she says the west needs a narrower definition of the term "refugee", and that convention first signed in 1951 is now out of date. illegal migration is not merely a cyclical problem, it is a permanent and structural challenge to the developed nations in general and the west in particular. unless we act, it will only worsen in the years to come. war, political instability and climate change will have of course exacerbate migration flows. according to the un, at the end of 2022, there were over 108 million forcibly displaced people globally. with 29 million considered to be refugees by the unhcr. but we must be honest — the fundamental drivers of this epoch defining challenge our economics and demography. injanuary, the world economic forum set that made igration will become one of the top five global risks in the next decade ahead of national resource crisis, geo—economic confrontation and environmental disasters. before we get thoughts on this, let's quickly return to what the original convention says. it was draughted post war, in 1951, when millions of people in europe had been forcibly displaced. it defined refugee status, as... it created in international law, a minimum standard for the treatment of refugees and it stipulate refugees cannot be penalised for breaching immigration rules while fleeing. almost 150 countries have signed up to the convention. it is still considered the cornerstone of the international asylum system. joining me now is dr s chelvan, an immigration barrister and adjunct professor at southampton law school. do you accept the home secretaries broad premise that the refugee convention is out of date and now being misused?— being misused? fearing as an immigration _ being misused? fearing as an immigration lawyer— being misused? fearing as an immigration lawyer and - being misused? fearing as an l immigration lawyer and rhetoric being misused? fearing as an - immigration lawyer and rhetoric on her speech i was expecting rivers of blood which is more rivers of blood. i talked for over 30 minutes where there was a loto technical error in relation to the law. for example, —— technical error. the 51 convention will be known and that was amended by the 1967 protocol article 182. she refers also to game and and women and being able to claim asylum or purely on the basis that you're facing discrimination. i was very concerned at the beginning that this was going to be a speech which would directly impact on the uk's approach to refugees in cases when the majority, 90% was based on cultural norms regarding nationality and multiculturalism. and only about 5% refugee cases. the vast majority of her speech was technically erroneous. the sign pose is never aboutjust erroneous. the sign pose is never about just up the erroneous. the sign pose is never aboutjust up the boat, it stop any refugee coming to the uk and claiming asylum through their own means. and being afforded sanctuary for that it touched on the disparity between the figures and those in other countries more sorely affected. it other countries more sorely affected. , other countries more sorely affected-— other countries more sorely affected. , . , , affected. it is true what she says that cities and _ affected. it is true what she says that cities and countries - affected. it is true what she says that cities and countries cannot i that cities and countries cannot grow exponentially and provide the services for tens of thousands of people arriving at once without breaking the trust and charity of people who do want to extend help to those genuinely at risk of persecution. it is undeniable that mixed in with those asylum—seekers, those genuine asylum—seekers are tens and tens of thousands of economic migrants.— tens and tens of thousands of economic migrants. tens and tens of thousands of economic miarants. a, , economic migrants. okay. the figures unsuworted — economic migrants. okay. the figures unsuworted by _ economic migrants. okay. the figures unsuworted by the — economic migrants. okay. the figures unsupported by the facts. _ economic migrants. okay. the figures unsupported by the facts. let's - unsupported by the facts. let's break that down a bit for the diverse issues related, not everybody�*s arriving en masse. the uk government has created this problem, there are 175,000 refugees came for asylum who are awaiting a decision on their asylum claims. the immigration minister only a few months ago said that his core priority was not to reduce the numbers waiting to get refugee claims that's why we've got the overbearing burden upon our housing crisis in relation to... you overbearing burden upon our housing crisis in relation to. . ._ crisis in relation to... you talking specifically _ crisis in relation to... you talking specifically about _ crisis in relation to... you talking specifically about the _ crisis in relation to... you talking specifically about the uk - crisis in relation to... you talking specifically about the uk i'm - specifically about the uk i'm talking about the wider debate. it is undeniable, it had 11,000 arriving lamp dues or whether they have space before hundred foot up there are 9000 come across every day across a texan border. they have 1.2 million cases to be processed since october. {lily million cases to be processed since october. , , ~ million cases to be processed since october. , , . ., october. oh yes. when looking at the ulobal october. oh yes. when looking at the global crisis. — october. oh yes. when looking at the global crisis, remember— october. oh yes. when looking at the global crisis, remember the _ october. oh yes. when looking at the global crisis, remember the figures i global crisis, remember the figures in relation to displaced people all internal relocation server going to another part of their own country. the majority of refugees, when you look at the focus in sub—saharan africa and neighbouring countries for that when we look at the numbers they are not all coming at once. yes, with got crisis point in relation to what's happening in italy. that's why the european union has gone with this framework regarding sharing of refugees across the union. note that it is just conservative government that doubted european union and brexit not to be part of that agreement. yes on a global crisis we've got to get that response and focus at the majority of refugees are not coming from mexico. the home secretary talked about their 780 million who would want to come to the uk. i want to win the lottery, that doesn't mean that i'll get a win the lottery. we've got to get a reality check on this. what we've got to is on getting resources. take another contrast, you look atjapan, singapore, they've got birth rates which basically nail. they don't have younger generations coming in through the birth rate to be able to care for the elderly, to care two pay for care for elderly for is imperative to the cumulation to a chore that where there are two i was amazed home secretary talked about one and five are migrants, we need to have birth rates otherwise were not to have people to be able to look after our elderly and be able to grow our population. that look after our elderly and be able to grow our population.— to grow our population. that is certainly true _ to grow our population. that is certainly true of _ to grow our population. that is certainly true of a _ to grow our population. that is certainly true of a lot - to grow our population. that is certainly true of a lot of - to grow our population. that is i certainly true of a lot of western countries where labour supplies are under great strain at the moment. stayed there. i want to bring in anthony is darker for reaction from the united states. —— sacher. 0ne anthony is darker for reaction from the united states. —— sacher. one of the united states. —— sacher. one of the things she pinpointed was the inadequate interview that all those arriving. how big a problem has happened in your home state of texas where they are currently streaming across the border? it’s where they are currently streaming across the border?— across the border? it's been a big roblem across the border? it's been a big problem in _ across the border? it's been a big problem in texas _ across the border? it's been a big problem in texas and _ across the border? it's been a big problem in texas and a _ across the border? it's been a big problem in texas and a problem i across the border? it's been a big i problem in texas and a problem that the republican government doing governor— the republican government doing governor of texas is trying to address— governor of texas is trying to address without putting migrants on buses— address without putting migrants on buses and _ address without putting migrants on buses and sending them to major northern— buses and sending them to major northern cities like new york city and washington, dc. there's a process— and washington, dc. there's a process for— and washington, dc. there's a process for hondurans just down from the washington bureau of bbc news, you see _ the washington bureau of bbc news, you see people lined up around the block— you see people lined up around the block every day trying to get their immigration papers confirmed. chicago, — immigration papers confirmed. chicago, los angeles, it's swapping the border— chicago, los angeles, it's swapping the border towns but what the texas governor _ the border towns but what the texas governor has been doing is picking them _ governor has been doing is picking them up _ governor has been doing is picking them up and moving them elsewhere in them up and moving them elsewhere in the country— them up and moving them elsewhere in the country and that is creating a processing — the country and that is creating a processing challenge even in places like new_ processing challenge even in places like new york that is declared a state _ like new york that is declared a state of— like new york that is declared a state of emergency because they are social— state of emergency because they are social services have been swapped by the number— social services have been swapped by the number of undocumented migrants arriving _ the number of undocumented migrants arrivinu. ., ., , ,, arriving. reform on this issue as we well know. — arriving. reform on this issue as we well know. we _ arriving. reform on this issue as we well know, we discuss _ arriving. reform on this issue as we well know, we discuss it _ arriving. reform on this issue as we well know, we discuss it many - arriving. reform on this issue as we| well know, we discuss it many times is been elusive even at a national level. no wood in congress would dispute as a crisis in the southern border. if you can't buy reform at a national level what hope among 150 nations at a signatory to this convention? i nations at a signatory to this convention?— nations at a signatory to this convention? , , ., ,, ., , convention? i can speak to it being a challenge — convention? i can speak to it being a challenge here _ convention? i can speak to it being a challenge here in _ convention? i can speak to it being a challenge here in the _ convention? i can speak to it being a challenge here in the united - a challenge here in the united states — a challenge here in the united states. part of that is because republicans see the problem and their solution is increased border security, — their solution is increased border security, turning people back at the border— security, turning people back at the border and — security, turning people back at the border and having a wall along the us— mexico border and more draconian immigration _ us— mexico border and more draconian immigration policies. democrats look at the _ immigration policies. democrats look at the exact— immigration policies. democrats look at the exact same problem and they see a _ at the exact same problem and they see a problem of accommodation for these _ see a problem of accommodation for these migrants who are coming across — these migrants who are coming across. they want to have a more humanitarian programme and they are trying _ humanitarian programme and they are trying to— humanitarian programme and they are trying to control this immigration at the _ trying to control this immigration at the source in places like venezuela and southern districts of mexico _ venezuela and southern districts of mexico and central america for that it's creating — mexico and central america for that it's creating this drive of people who are — it's creating this drive of people who are leaving their own countries because _ who are leaving their own countries because their life there is so bad that they— because their life there is so bad that they are willing to risk the migration— that they are willing to risk the migration across mexico and into the united _ migration across mexico and into the united states even without any kind of guarantee they will be given a home here. of guarantee they will be given a home here-— of guarantee they will be given a home here. that is the point is it not that the _ home here. that is the point is it not that the home _ home here. that is the point is it not that the home secretary wasj not that the home secretary was making today? these are not people necessarily at risk of persecution although some may well be, this is a train of people coming because of climate change, because their economic circumstances have changed dramatically and because there is the promise of a much better life across the american border. what she is saying is there needs to be a change to the convention to recognise the reality of where we're 70 odd years on from the signing of the original convention. i 70 odd years on from the signing of the original convention.— the original convention. i think she had an interesting _ the original convention. i think she had an interesting line _ the original convention. i think she had an interesting line about - the original convention. i think she had an interesting line about the l had an interesting line about the immigration policies were crafted for in _ immigration policies were crafted for in electronic age and gender travels— for in electronic age and gender travels up— for in electronic age and gender travels up the reality is most people — travels up the reality is most people coming across the united states— people coming across the united states border from mexico, they're not coming — states border from mexico, they're not coming in both psych and the uk, not coming in both psych and the uk, not coming _ not coming in both psych and the uk, not coming in both psych and the uk, not coming in plants, they are coming — not coming in plants, they are coming on _ not coming in plants, they are coming on foot or hopping on trains. and there _ coming on foot or hopping on trains. and there are a number of different reasons _ and there are a number of different reasons -- — and there are a number of different reasons. —— not coming on planes. causing _ reasons. —— not coming on planes. causing of— reasons. —— not coming on planes. causing of swing and across is venezuela and the situation humanitarian, economic, political in venezuela _ humanitarian, economic, political in venezuela is — humanitarian, economic, political in venezuela is creating a hemispheric refugee _ venezuela is creating a hemispheric refugee crisis. a crisis like columbia _ refugee crisis. a crisis like columbia are having to deal with them _ columbia are having to deal with them in — columbia are having to deal with them in mexico and now it is filling up them in mexico and now it is filling up onto— them in mexico and now it is filling up onto the — them in mexico and now it is filling up onto the border of the united states — up onto the border of the united states. that's not a question of reforming — states. that's not a question of reforming the policies if people are willing _ reforming the policies if people are willing to _ reforming the policies if people are willing to leave venezuela no matter what just _ willing to leave venezuela no matter what just to get out of the country because _ what just to get out of the country because their lives there are unsustainable.— because their lives there are unsustainable. , , ., ., unsustainable. maybe it is reform of the wa we unsustainable. maybe it is reform of the way we deal _ unsustainable. maybe it is reform of the way we deal with _ unsustainable. maybe it is reform of the way we deal with conflicts in - the way we deal with conflicts in refugee crisis around the world that is much more urgent at this point in time. the point is, as anthony said, governments are taking things into their own hands with more draconian measures. isn't there a risk that if you don't reform the convention then simply countries opt out? i you don't reform the convention then simply countries opt out?— simply countries opt out? i think that's for countries _ simply countries opt out? i think that's for countries to _ simply countries opt out? i think that's for countries to decide. i simply countries opt out? i think. that's for countries to decide. the problem with the home secretary is she wants a burden of information for refugees to claim asylum once she says it's a safe country for the conventions, article 31 is not in relation to the method orjourney of those individuals who claim asylum on that is subjective. unfortunately, the detail in hand, it doesn't stack up to what the realities of this without a right wing political talk to put on the scrapbook for political leadership and nothing really to do with actual change in relation to how the world treats refugees. haifa change in relation to how the world treats refugees.— treats refugees. how much do you think this becomes _ treats refugees. how much do you think this becomes part _ treats refugees. how much do you think this becomes part of - treats refugees. how much do you think this becomes part of the - think this becomes part of the debate next year and the general election? is immigration at the top of list of peoples priorities? it's hirh u- of list of peoples priorities? it's high up on _ of list of peoples priorities? it's high up on the list. it was back in 2016— high up on the list. it was back in 2016 if— high up on the list. it was back in 2016 if you — high up on the list. it was back in 2016 if you will recall as well. donald — 2016 if you will recall as well. donald trump made immigration and building _ donald trump made immigration and building a border wall and stopping migrants _ building a border wall and stopping migrants coming into the us a central— migrants coming into the us a central theme in his presidential campaign, that generated resentment, an-er campaign, that generated resentment, anger from _ campaign, that generated resentment, anger from his base at something was bein- anger from his base at something was being deprived of them by this rising — being deprived of them by this rising immigration. donald trump is probably— rising immigration. donald trump is probably going to be the nominee and a-ain probably going to be the nominee and again and _ probably going to be the nominee and again and i_ probably going to be the nominee and again and i think it is a guarantee that he _ again and i think it is a guarantee that he will— again and i think it is a guarantee that he will make immigration and other— that he will make immigration and other central component of his presidential campaign. joe biden because — presidential campaign. joe biden because of this update in migration that has— because of this update in migration that has happened during his three years— that has happened during his three years as _ that has happened during his three years as president, he can have the answer— years as president, he can have the answer for— years as president, he can have the answer for that. that's can be a criticism — answer for that. that's can be a criticism that he is going to have to respond — criticism that he is going to have to respond to because if you look at polls it _ to respond to because if you look at polls it is _ to respond to because if you look at polls it is an— to respond to because if you look at polls it is an issue that americans do care _ polls it is an issue that americans do care about. they see the pictures. _ do care about. they see the pictures, read the newspapers, as far as _ pictures, read the newspapers, as far as they— pictures, read the newspapers, as far as they know it's going on not only on— far as they know it's going on not only on the — far as they know it's going on not only on the border but in cities like new— only on the border but in cities like new york and chicago and los angeles _ like new york and chicago and los angeles that having to deal with the crisis _ angeles that having to deal with the crisis. ., , . ~' angeles that having to deal with the crisis. ., , a ., angeles that having to deal with the crisis. ., , ., , , ., crisis. you picked out plenty of inconsistencies _ crisis. you picked out plenty of inconsistencies in _ crisis. you picked out plenty of inconsistencies in her - crisis. you picked out plenty of. inconsistencies in her argument. there was just what i want to pick up there was just what i want to pick up on, she said for instance, being gay from a country that outlawed homosexuality is now effectively enough to qualify for protection. i had a look at that from the research i've looked at, lgbtu, sexual orientation is cited in only 1% of asylum claims. is he talking about something that's not actually a problem? i something that's not actually a roblem? ~ , , ., ., problem? i think she needs to go back and read _ problem? i think she needs to go back and read asylum _ problem? i think she needs to go back and read asylum lot - problem? i think she needs to go back and read asylum lot 101. - problem? i think she needs to go back and read asylum lot 101. it'sj back and read asylum lot 101. it's is to present claims from last year with making quite clear not only do you have to be gay, lesbian or bisexual but you have to be from a country where openly gay people face a well—founded fear of persecution. that's been the law for... since we been looking at claims. to say things ofjust being gay or a woman or being from a country where you may face discrimination is not a point unfamiliar with. that's a cat his way to put it in relation to the law on refugee status.— his way to put it in relation to the law on refugee status. always good to net our law on refugee status. always good to get your ex _ law on refugee status. always good to get your ex processes _ law on refugee status. always good to get your ex processes for - law on refugee status. always good to get your ex processes for the - to get your ex processes for the entity zurcher, thank you. —— anthony zurcher. —— anthony zurcher. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. the former cop 26 president says he will not stand at the next general election, the tory mp for writing lessons 2010 made the announcement on x formally noticed twitter saying it's not an easy decision and he will continue to support his conservative colleagues and shipping causes such as climate action. hundreds of schools across scotland were closed today because of a three—day strike by support staff. members of unison who include teaching assistants, caterers and cleaners walked out over pay, after last minute talks failed. johnna baxter, the local government negotiator for unison scotland, says her members need a serious pay offer. a hospital trust has blamed computer errorfor 2a,000 letters not being sent to patients and their gps. newcastle hospitals has apologised for the issue, which dates back to 2018. many of the letters explained what should happen when patients were discharged. but a significant number were written by specialist clinics spelling out required care. you're live with bbc news. the fbi issued warnings to at least three people active in the sea can in the united states at their lives were in dangerjust days after the murder in june. last week the canadian prime ministerjustin trudeau blamed the assassination on the indian government, allegations based in part on information gathered by one of canada's partners, in the intelligence—sharing five eyes alliance. the new reporting suggest that partner could well have been the united states. today the washington post reported that it has seen a video shared with investigators. it is a 90—second recording of hardeep singh nijjar�*s murder outside his place of worship in british columbia which points to a larger and more organised operation than has previously been reported. i must point out, we have not seen this video, so we can't independly verify it. but we can speak to a reporter who has watched it. she is the post's maham javaid who joins us from washington. thank you for coming on the program. describe it for us. what do you see in this 92nd video? in describe it for us. what do you see in this 92nd video?— in this 92nd video? in the 92nd video you _ in this 92nd video? in the 92nd video you can _ in this 92nd video? in the 92nd video you can see _ in this 92nd video? in the 92nd video you can see hardeep - in this 92nd video? in the 92nd i video you can see hardeep singh nijjar�*s car pull up from his parking lot. you can see his car try to drive towards the exit centre in british columbia for the on the left—hand side you see a white sudan come towards it put up at one point for a while both cars are driving to each other. in the video you can notice then back of a's scar the white car also speeds up showing that they are maintaining pace. as hardeep singh nijjar�*s's car merges onto the left lane to fully exit that's when the white sudan accelerates, speeds up and comes in front of it to block hardeep singh nijjar�*s's scar. i think it's important to know you can see in the video hardeep singh nijjar�*s was blocked and shot by the government while he was inside, which is an important detail because as a community member said, they were very upset at the killing but they made a note of the fact that they did this inside.— did this inside. what you've seen ou did this inside. what you've seen you would _ did this inside. what you've seen you would suggest _ did this inside. what you've seen you would suggest that - did this inside. what you've seen you would suggest that this - did this inside. what you've seen . you would suggest that this involves multiple people and it looks like a coordinated attack? the multiple people and it looks like a coordinated attack?— coordinated attack? the fact that the car was _ coordinated attack? the fact that the car was following _ coordinated attack? the fact that the car was following him, - coordinated attack? the fact that the car was following him, the i coordinated attack? the fact that i the car was following him, the fact there was a car waiting for him, the fact that this is one car and we believe there's a second car which is a silver getaway car. witnesses told me there were three people, three other people already inside that car that these two gunmen got into for the it would suggest that at least six people and two cars and ball, which leads us to believe that this is a much more complex and coordinated operations that we previously thought that it was. what previously thought that it was. what else do we know _ previously thought that it was. what else do we know that _ previously thought that it was. what else do we know that has come out from the canadian media sense mr trudeau made this announcement? what do we know about their reasoning behind his announcement? the reasonin: behind his announcement? tia: reasoning behind his announcement is an investigation or intelligence gathering that is happening at the federal level, international level. the investigation that i was able... the investigation that i was able... the video i saw was at the local level. it was a local investigation being done by ih id. we're not sure, i cannot speak to the fact that the local authorities and the federal authorities are sharing information, i can't speak to the fact that whether they are basing these allegations on what the local authorities have gathered. that might be two separate sources of information for all that we know. right. when you put it all together and we pull in the statement from the fbi or the evidence that they were advising people in the united states to be carefuljust days were advising people in the united states to be careful just days after this murder, does it surprise you that other western governments, although dave been lukewarm in their support forjustin trudeau, that's as far as they gone. why do you think that is? is because of lack of evidence or a more geopolitical reason behind that?— evidence or a more geopolitical reason behind that? yes, that's for each government _ reason behind that? yes, that's for each government to _ reason behind that? yes, that's for each government to decide - reason behind that? yes, that's for each government to decide on - each government to decide on their own photo think is more evidence... as more evidence comes through as it investigation of luzon, community members and residents around people involved, they all say it's very slow moving investigation. i think we're past the three month mark already and it is very little that the police have announced publicly. i think is more information comes, is more evidence is released and shared with people, perhaps things will change geopolitically is what i can say. will change geopolitically is what i can sa . a, will change geopolitically is what i can sa . ., , will change geopolitically is what i cansa. ., , , will change geopolitically is what i cansa. ., , can say. okay. that gives us some new information. _ can say. okay. that gives us some new information. we _ can say. okay. that gives us some new information. we will- can say. okay. that gives us some new information. we will wait - can say. okay. that gives us some new information. we will wait to i can say. okay. that gives us some l new information. we will wait to see with the canadian government makes of it. thank you for coming on the program. ina in a closely related issue the armenian government says they have taken and 28,000 refugees who crossed into the country from back once. the only road connecting armenia to the enclave is now packed with hundreds of cars and buses, carrying those who are desperate to get out. the government in azerbeijan says it wants to re—integrate ethnic armenians as "equal citizens". but the armenian prime minister nikol pashinyan, says that statement is designed to mask a process of ethnic cleansing that is "under way". the enclave of nagorno karabach is internationally recognised as part of azerbeijan, but for three decades it has been under the control of the karabach armed forces, who now have surrendered and disarmed. sarah rainsford is in goris, in armenia just across the border. well, this refugee reception center just behind me here is now working through the night because the number of ethnic armenians who are now fleeing nagorno—karabakh and heading here to armenia is growing all the time. we were up at the the last checkpoints out of nagorno—karabakh earlier today, and we saw hundreds of people coming across every hour and they were really crammed into the tiniest of cars, huge families squeezed into the cars with everything they could possibly carry. they got roof racks piled high. i saw a dumper truck, in fact, with 25 children in the back of that truck. so huge numbers now coming across. now, azerbaijan has said that it will guarantee the safety of any ethnic armenians who choose to stay in nagorno—karabakh. but i've been speaking to people about that and asking them why they're leaving, and they say they just don't trust those promises. there's too much history, too much bad blood, they are afraid to stay. it's not that there's someone actually forcing them to leave physically, but they are afraid. they tell me to stay there. and the other thing to mention about this, you know, when i ask people whether they think they'll be going home, i have not met a single person here who thinks they'll ever go back to nagorno—karabakh. it feels much more like an exodus than a temporary evacuation. 0ne one of the human rights observers for the united states said today that she gathered evidence was harrowing. as you saw, the us government provided tell million dollars to help those crossing into our we will take a short break up the other side we will talk about the other side we will talk about the fruit and vegetables on your plate and how they might be changing to reflect our changing climate. also, airbnb and the vice premier in italy said today that the restrictions on airbnb go too far. do they? should be allowed so many houses to be rented in our cities? we will discuss at just after the break. hello there. the day's heavy rain and showers will continue to ease away through this evening, and overnight it will turn a lot drier for many with lengthy, clearskies, lighterwinds, particularly across the northern half of the country. that'll make it turn quite chilly across some of the scottish glens. but it's all change to the south. we're looking at this system deepening as it's approaching ireland. this is storm agnes. now, this will start to throw up some cloud in towards southern and western areas as we move through the night and the wind will start to pick up here as well. so temperatures are on the rise here, in fact — the low to mid—teens here but a chillier night to come across the north. so storm agnes, then, likely to bring some impacts to western parts of the country on wednesday, with rain and gales. we could see severe gales around some of the irish sea coasts as this storm moves its way northwards, but it will be weakening as it continues to move northwards. by far, the biggest impacts will be across central and southern parts of ireland. but around irish sea coasts, like i mentioned, we could see 60 to 70 mile an hour gusts, maybe a bit more than that. north—west wales, pembrokeshire, north—west england and south—west scotland, favoured spots for some of the strongest gusts. heavy rain also spinning northwards with the strong winds as we move through the morning, into the afternoon, eventually pushing across into scotland. but much of central and certainly eastern and south—east england will avoid all the action and, in fact, stay largely dry. it will be breezy, but there'll be some sunshine. top temperatures, 22 degrees here, but further north and west, around the mid—teens, with the gales and the rain. the strong winds, the gales, the rain push northwards across scotland. storm agnes eventually exits the uk in towards the norwegian sea by the end of the night. but a fairly mild night to come. temperatures in double figures for most. so to thursday, then, we're in between weather systems. there are more ganging up on us as we head into friday and the weekend, generally affecting northern and western areas. but thursday actually doesn't look too bad. the winds still a feature, but not as strong as what we expect on wednesday. there'll be some good spells of sunshine around, but i think cloud will tend to build through the day and we'll start to see another frontal system pushing into the west. that'll bring rain to northern ireland, scotland, perhaps western england and wales by the end of the day. a little bit cooler, i think, across the board. 20 degrees at best in the south—east, mid—teens further north and west. and then like i mentioned, there will be further frontal systems moving into northern and western parts of the country. better chance of staying dry this weekend in the south. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. a new plan by the italian government which would impose a two—night minimum stay in airbnb flats is criticised by it's own deputy prime minister matteo salvini. sport and for a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre now. hello from the bbc sport centre. all home nations were in action tonight in the women's nations league. for englands manager sarina weigman, it was a match which held extra significance, as she returned to her home nation — and former employer — the netherlands. it has not been a great start for them in the first time. netherlands them in the first time. netherlands them in the first time. netherlands the lead who curled it into the top corner after a poor clearance from georgia stanway gifted danielle

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