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scotland next week. coming into training injune was a big blessing. i enjoyed it so much and then obviously getting called up formally now is amazing. when i got the text, i called my dad straight away and he started getting a bit emotional, to be honest. but yeah, a dream come true. every time you come, it's an opportunity to impress gareth and the coaching staff. like any normal career, club, you have to always impress. hopefully i get the chance and we see what happens. to golf, and rory mciroy says he's optimitic about europe's chances of winning back the ryder cup when they take on the united states in rome later this month. mcilroy�*s not concerned about the absence of liv golf players in the team, insisting new players like swedish youngster ludvig aberg add considerable strength to luke donald's team. from people that have watched him play in the states, he turned pro injune. people who saw him play over there, a few of us were saying it was a no—brainer but people hadn't seen him play over here, and then he comes and finishes fourth in czech and then wins in switzerland. i think people here that were maybe a little bit sceptical of it all realised what the hype was all about, and he's an unbelievable player. probably one of my favourite swings in the world. cricket, and sri lanka are cruising towards victory over england's women in the final t20 international in derby in the east midlands, with the series poised at 1—1. it's been a pretty poor performance all around from the hosts. danni wyatt out first ball of their innings, which set the tone for a sub par total of 116 all out with an over still to spare. sri lanka in response set the platform through chamari athapaththu hitting 44, with the visitors currently on 102—3. they need 15 from 3a balls. sri lanka on the cusp of taking the series. daniel dubois�* promoter frank warren has appealed to the wba to rule the fight with oleksandr usyk a no—contest and order a rematch. the briton floored the heavyweight champion in poland on august 26th but the punch was declared a low blow by the referee. usyk then stopped dubois in the ninth to win. and that's all the sport for now. just want to take you to a live auction at sotheby�*s in london. it's interesting because it's freddie mercury memorabilia, from queen. lots of very interesting things up for auction. lots of very interesting things up forauction. bohemian lots of very interesting things up for auction. bohemian rhapsody, the original manuscript, just sold for £1.73 original manuscript, just sold for £1.3 million. let's listen to what's being sold right now.— £15 million. let's listen to what's being sold right now. 92,000, thank ou ve being sold right now. 92,000, thank you very much- _ being sold right now. 92,000, thank you very much- in — being sold right now. 92,000, thank you very much. in a _ being sold right now. 92,000, thank you very much. in a new— being sold right now. 92,000, thank you very much. in a new place, - you very much. in a new place, £92,000... 92,000... do you want to go on, and £92,000? it's against you, the telephone bidder, do you want to say 95? give me 95. at £92,000... want to say 95? give me 95. at £92,000. - -— want to say 95? give me 95. at £92,000... ~ ., ,, £92,000. .. we are witnessing right now an autographed _ £92,000. .. we are witnessing right now an autographed manuscript, i £92,000. .. we are witnessing right| now an autographed manuscript, the draught lyrics of the song don't stop me now, that is what they are bidding on right now. a little earlier, the baby grand piano belonging to freddie mercury sold for £i.7 belonging to freddie mercury sold for £1.7 million. the original manuscript to bohemian rhapsody, £i.3 manuscript to bohemian rhapsody, £1.3 million. we will keep an eye, as the bid to keep going up and up for various different objects from freddie mercury's collection. £100,000... scientists have grown something that closely resembles an early human embryo without using sperm, eggs or a womb. the aim of these embryo models is to provide an ethical way of studying how stem cells form organs. our health and science correspondent james gallagher has more. this is a field that's been progressing rapidly and has now reached a significant moment. take a second to think how remarkable it is that our lives start out like this, a single sperm fertilising a single egg. but the first steps on the journey from this to us are poorly understood, and researching embryos is legally, ethically and technically fraught. so this is where embryo models come in, and this is how it's done. so there are no sperm or eggs involved. instead, scientists start with human stem cells. these have the potential to become any type of tissue in our body. these are then transformed into the four types of cell you'd find in an embryo that was just one week old. then 120 of them are mixed together, and you can see they start off as a jumble. but as they grow, this happens. they start to organise themselves, mimicking what a real embryo would look like 1a days after fertilisation. and we can take a look at one. now, this might appear confusing, i admit, but we can spot some things in here. the purple cells around the outside are the ones that would grow to form the placenta, and as we go inside, the yellow cells would create a yolk sac and the blue ones would form — in a real embryo — a human being. now, of course, this isn't a real embryo. it's not possible to put this in the womb and make a baby, but it is similar. it even released hormones that made a pregnancy test turn positive in the lab, and that's what's exciting the research team in israel. yes, this does look like textbook, and the structures are there and it looks really, really good. this is a stem cell—derived entity that has all the cell types, all the compartments that are known and in the right orientation, which, we know, hasn't been done before. for those struggling to start a family, this research may one day help. it could lead to new ideas for tackling infertility or improving ivf, and that's because these embryo models allow scientists to perform research that would be impossible on real embryos, to understand the crucial early moments of our development when miscarriage and birth defects often arise. roger sturmey is a professor in reproductive medicine at hull york medical school. thank you for coming on the programme. good evening. we will talk about the ethical risks in a moment. first the potential uses, starting with ivf, which we were hearing just there. how can this advancement actually be used tactically? advancement actually be used tacticall ? �* , advancement actually be used tactically?— tactically? it's important to understand _ tactically? it's important to understand where - tactically? it's important to understand where ivf - tactically? it's important to - understand where ivf struggles and where it fails. one of the major bottlenecks is the ability for an embryo after it is transferred into the womb to initiate pregnancy and undergo in plantations. it's a process we do not have a lot of information about, and these stem cell —based embryo models offer an opportunity to understand how the cells of the embryo interact of the womb, to try and help understand what might cause implantation failure. 50 what might cause implantation failure. ., ., ., ., failure. so a potential avenue for research. let's _ failure. so a potential avenue for research. let's look— failure. so a potential avenue for research. let's look at _ failure. so a potential avenue for research. let's look at the - failure. so a potential avenue for| research. let's look at the ethical concerns. are there any in your mind? whatare concerns. are there any in your mind? what are the arguments? weill. mind? what are the arguments? well, the important — mind? what are the arguments? well, the important thing _ mind? what are the arguments? well, the important thing to _ mind? what are the arguments? well, the important thing to say, _ mind? what are the arguments? -ii the important thing to say, there is an active dialogue at the moment in the research community but also more widely, a project which i will mention shortly involving legal scholars, bioethicists, to understand some of the questions about working with these models, and how we can govern their use in a responsible manner. i would imagine the concerns of most people would be the concerns of most people would be the potential of these models, do they have the potential to ever form an offspring? i think we can say, at the moment, there is no evidence at all to indicate these models have that potential. more importantly, there are already prohibitions in place to prevent these models from ever being transferred into the uterus of a human or an animal. so it's important to reassure people that at the moment there is no evidence that these have full developmental potential. haw developmental potential. how sur - rised developmental potential. how surprised were _ developmental potential. how surprised were you _ developmental potential. how surprised were you with the overall results. many people are very impressed and welcoming, but the idea that you can nudge these cells and then they do go on to form this kind of replica of a human embryo, itjust sounds kind of replica of a human embryo, it just sounds extraordinary. kind of replica of a human embryo, itjust sounds extraordinary. find kind of replica of a human embryo, it just sounds extraordinary.- itjust sounds extraordinary. and it is. and i itjust sounds extraordinary. and it is. and i think— itjust sounds extraordinary. and it is. and | think it _ itjust sounds extraordinary. and it is. and i think it points _ itjust sounds extraordinary. and it is. and i think it points to - itjust sounds extraordinary. and it is. and i think it points to the - is. and i think it points to the remarkable capacity that the cells have two self organised. it is worth pointing out that this work is incredibly impressive, but the efficiency was quite low. not all of the models were able to form in the way that we would expect or might hope. it also builds on a long body of research by this research group at the institute and others, so it is the next logical step from where we have been going over the past five or ten years.— we have been going over the past five or ten years. remarkable, and finall , five or ten years. remarkable, and finally. how— five or ten years. remarkable, and finally, how long _ five or ten years. remarkable, and finally, how long do _ five or ten years. remarkable, and finally, how long do you _ five or ten years. remarkable, and finally, how long do you think - five or ten years. remarkable, and finally, how long do you think we l five or ten years. remarkable, and. finally, how long do you think we go from something like this, where we get the results and however extraordinary they are, until we actually start seeing any potential benefit from it? i actually start seeing any potential benefit from it?— benefit from it? i think we are seeinu benefit from it? i think we are seeing benefit _ benefit from it? i think we are seeing benefit immediately, l benefit from it? i think we are | seeing benefit immediately, in understanding how these cells organise, and that helps us to start to unlock how the early embryo forms. remember, this is a model, so it is only looking at it from a moral point of view, but we are gaining new knowledge all the time and we are able to apply that knowledge to advance our understanding right now. it is a remarkable _ understanding right now. it is a remarkable achievement. - understanding right now. it is al remarkable achievement. thank understanding right now. it is a - remarkable achievement. thank you very much were talking us through the various issues. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. they call themselves the tree amigos, three 17—year—olds busy rescuing damaged trees. there's tom, adam and owen. it all started when they came across some vandalised saplings and decided to fix them. they're now thriving. we've spent, like, 17 of our 17 years around here, and it's a shame to see, like, this environment around us fall apart. so it's nice tojust keep it going for generations to come, really. in fact, it's expanding across the community as more and more young people come down to help out. the people of potter's green have already rescued trees which were about to be chopped by developer. we've got birch. we've got a pear tree. it's been the catalyst for the creation of the tree sanctuary by tom's mum, martina. so if you see a tree that needs rescuing, the tree amigos' sanctuary is the place to go. for more stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website. you're live with bbc news. we are going to take a look at the rolling stones. they have a new album coming out pretty soon. it's their first new material in 18 years. here's the band at an event in east london a little earlier. we're here to present our new single, which is called angry, and the video of it, which you'll see later. and angry is the first single from our new album called hackney diamonds, which is why we're in hackney, which comes out on october 20th. it got called hackney diamonds because i think we were between... we were flinging ideas around for titles, and we went from hit and run, smash and grab and somehow between that, we came up with hackney diamonds, which is, like, a variation of them both. also, it's a london band, you know? we did it pretty quick, actually. there was lots - of ideas floating about, and we gathered theml all togetherjust before christmas last year and made a go of it, didn't we? - yeah. we cut them all very quickly. but it's been 18 years since you did... we've been very lazy. laughter. that's not very quick at all. we have done something. we've been on the road most of the time. no, we were... maybe we were a bit too, kind of like, lazy, and then suddenly we said, "let's put a deadline, let's make a record and put a deadline." so keith and ronnie and i had a chat, and we said, "ok, we'll make this record at christmas and we're going to finish it by valentine's day." so we made two albums! exactly, yeah. so we went into the studio, like ronnie said, in december, and we cut 23 tracks very quickly and finished them off injanuary and mixed them in february. here's the new single. the video has been released. tell us what you think. # one, two... # one, two, three, go... # don't get angry with me. # i never caused you no pain. # i won't be angry with you. # but i can't see straight. everyone almost nodding along. live now to christian bonner and tim lindsay from under the radar, a rolling stones podcast. that's the song, angry. personal opinion, i love it. what do you guys make of it?— make of it? instantly i loved it, the first time _ make of it? instantly i loved it, the first time i _ make of it? instantly i loved it, the first time i heard _ make of it? instantly i loved it, the first time i heard that - make of it? instantly i loved it, the first time i heard that little | the first time i heard that little clip that they teased earlier in the week, and then when we kind of figured the whole song was coming today, i wasjust figured the whole song was coming today, i was just enthralled. {30 today, iwas 'ust enthralled. go on... today, iwas 'ust enthralled. go yeah. — today, iwasjust enthralled. go on... yeah, exciting _ today, iwasjust enthralled. go on... yeah, exciting modern i on... yeah, exciting modern production. _ on... yeah, exciting modern production, very _ on... yeah, exciting modern production, very interesting | on... yeah, exciting modern l production, very interesting to on... yeah, exciting modern - production, very interesting to hear the rolling — production, very interesting to hear the rolling stones in 2023, really cool _ the rolling stones in 2023, really cool. , ., , ., the rolling stones in 2023, really cool. , ., , ., cool. even my opinion counts for nothin: , cool. even my opinion counts for nothing. i _ cool. even my opinion counts for nothing. i am — cool. even my opinion counts for nothing, i am not _ cool. even my opinion counts for nothing, i am not a _ cool. even my opinion counts for nothing, i am not a music- cool. even my opinion counts for nothing, i am not a music critic. cool. even my opinion counts for. nothing, i am not a music critic or anything, i have no qualification in this area, but it does get your head bob christian, what did you make of this whole launch? the significance clearly is the fact it's been quite a long time since new music. —— your head bobbing. what did you make of the way they announced it? yeah. the way they announced it? yeah, it's been quite _ the way they announced it? yeah, it's been quite a _ the way they announced it? yeah, it's been quite a long _ the way they announced it? yeah, it's been quite a long time. - the way they announced it? yeah, it's been quite a long time. they i it's been quite a long time. they have _ it's been quite a long time. they have always had these famous publicity — have always had these famous publicity events, whether at grand central _ publicity events, whether at grand central station or the classic car at the _ central station or the classic car at the brooklyn bridge at our bridges — at the brooklyn bridge at our bridges to babylon. i expected something like this and they did it with style, a nice venue, star power in the _ with style, a nice venue, star power in the house — with style, a nice venue, star power in the house. very funny and it was great _ in the house. very funny and it was great to— in the house. very funny and it was great to see — in the house. very funny and it was great to see them in classic form, i think _ great to see them in classic form, i think. ~ ., great to see them in classic form, i think. ~ . , ., ., ~ great to see them in classic form, i think. ~ . i. ., ~ ., great to see them in classic form, i think. ~ . .,~ ., ., think. what did you take away from those interviews _ think. what did you take away from those interviews on _ think. what did you take away from those interviews on stage? - think. what did you take away from those interviews on stage? what i those interviews on stage? what things caught your attention? ififhuite things caught your attention? quite a lot of new — things caught your attention? quite a lot of new information. _ things caught your attention? quite a lot of new information. we - things caught your attention? qt ta: a lot of new information. we have followed as closely as we can, the bits of pieces of news trickling out here and there. it's good to hear confirmed that charlie watts, the late drummer going back almost to the very beginning of the stones, he is performing on two songs on the new album and that's very encouraging news. one of them, they even have bill wyman back to play on one track, and charlie, the old rhythm section one more time. find rhythm section one more time. and the oriuin rhythm section one more time. and the origin story they talked about, the origin story they talked about, the name east london... i the origin story they talked about, the name east london...— the origin story they talked about, the name east london... i liked the two other titles, _ the name east london... i liked the two other titles, hit _ the name east london... i liked the two other titles, hit and _ the name east london... i liked the two other titles, hit and run, - the name east london... i liked thej two other titles, hit and run, smash two othertitles, hit and run, smash and grabm — two othertitles, hit and run, smash and grab... ac/dc got to those first, _ and grab... ac/dc got to those first, so— and grab... ac/dc got to those first, so hackney diamonds is a very good _ first, so hackney diamonds is a very good nod _ first, so hackney diamonds is a very good nod to — first, so hackney diamonds is a very good nod to the band's origins. they played _ good nod to the band's origins. they played clubs around hackney in the very early— played clubs around hackney in the very early days, in the 60s. i�*m very early days, in the 60s. i'm afraid i couldn't _ very early days, in the 60s. i�*m afraid i couldn't hear what you were saying there, but we all got to hear a bit more of the rolling stones, which is no bad thing! i'm sure you won't mind that. what is it, christian, about the stones? they seemingly still have it. what is the secret there? i seemingly still have it. what is the secret there?— secret there? i think they love doinr secret there? i think they love doin: it. secret there? i think they love doing it. when _ secret there? i think they love doing it. when you _ secret there? i think they love doing it. when you go - secret there? i think they love doing it. when you go to - secret there? i think they love doing it. when you go to their| doing it. when you go to their shows, — doing it. when you go to their shows, the energy is really present. it shows, the energy is really present. it really— shows, the energy is really present. it really doesn't stem from a love of music, — it really doesn't stem from a love of music, and it sustains you, it keeps _ of music, and it sustains you, it keeps you — of music, and it sustains you, it keeps you young. i'm a musician myself, — keeps you young. i'm a musician myself, i— keeps you young. i'm a musician myself, i can barely keep up. you see younger bands that don't have the energy that mick does. it's a wonderful— the energy that mick does. it's a wonderful communal experience. you really— wonderful communal experience. you really feel_ wonderful communal experience. you really feel you are participating in something that's greater than you are. . . something that's greater than you are, , ., ., something that's greater than you are. , . ., ., ~ i. are. christian and tim, thank you very much _ are. christian and tim, thank you very much are — are. christian and tim, thank you very much are coming _ are. christian and tim, thank you very much are coming on - are. christian and tim, thank you very much are coming on the - very much are coming on the programme. the album is out next month, we will see how that goes down. here in uk, a new record as a team has climbed the three highest mountains in england, scotland and wales in 45 hours and 11 minutes. the team of current and former military personnel climbed for a charity, scotty's little soldiers, set up by the widow of corporal lee scott, who was killed by a roadside bomb in afghanistan in 2009. live now to mat, who is part of the support team and one of the walkers, dean. thank you both for coming on the programme. dean, it's all done and dusted, successful, how are you feeling? dusted, successful, how are you feelin: ? . ~ dusted, successful, how are you feelina? . ~ ., , dusted, successful, how are you feelina? . ~ . , . , feeling? yeah, i think many, many months of training _ feeling? yeah, i think many, many months of training has _ feeling? yeah, i think many, many months of training has put - feeling? yeah, i think many, many months of training has put us - feeling? yeah, i think many, many months of training has put us in i months of training has put us in good stead. aqa campaigns, if you black toenails. —— is a few aches and pains. afew black toenails. —— is a few aches and pains. a few black toenails. i think we are on the mend. what and pains. a few black toenails. i think we are on the mend. what do ou make think we are on the mend. what do you make of _ think we are on the mend. what do you make of the — think we are on the mend. what do you make of the timing? _ think we are on the mend. what do you make of the timing? 45 - think we are on the mend. what do you make of the timing? 45 hours. | you make of the timing? 45 hours. quite an impressive effort. it you make of the timing? 45 hours. quite an impressive effort.- quite an impressive effort. it was alwa s a quite an impressive effort. it was always a bit _ quite an impressive effort. it was always a bit of — quite an impressive effort. it was always a bit of a _ quite an impressive effort. it was always a bit of a gas, _ quite an impressive effort. it was always a bit of a gas, it _ quite an impressive effort. it was always a bit of a gas, it hadn't - always a bit of a gas, it hadn't been — always a bit of a gas, it hadn't been done _ always a bit of a gas, it hadn't been done before... we did lots of training _ been done before... we did lots of training. lots of test runs to find out what — training. lots of test runs to find out what the time might be, but it was always— out what the time might be, but it was always going to be a guesstimate. we said 48—hour is but we smashed it, amazing. guesstimate. we said 48-hour is but we smashed it, amazing.— we smashed it, amazing. where did the idea come _ we smashed it, amazing. where did the idea come from _ we smashed it, amazing. where did the idea come from to _ we smashed it, amazing. where did the idea come from to do _ we smashed it, amazing. where did the idea come from to do this? - we smashed it, amazing. where did i the idea come from to do this? yeah, so as many — the idea come from to do this? yeah, so as many brilliant _ the idea come from to do this? yeah, so as many brilliant ideas, _ the idea come from to do this? yeah, so as many brilliant ideas, i'm - so as many brilliant ideas, i'm afraid it was done over a table with afraid it was done over a table with a pint in hand. it was over a few beers. ultimately, it was a team made up of veterans. and somebody current serving in the team as well. inaudible. we have seen the devastation through the various conflicts first hand. a couple of families close to us who have been beneficiary from scotty's little soldiers. need to continue keep going and supporting these bereaved children and families. the sponsorship we thought we would do... it was close to our hearts. the fact we are retired, have done our time in the fact we are retired, have done ourtime in the the fact we are retired, have done our time in the military, ultimately it's something... inaudible. we hold it close to our hearts. matt, how was the sleeping organised? the eating and the resting and the moving? you are makin: resting and the moving? you are making the _ resting and the moving? you are making the assumption - resting and the moving? you are making the assumption that - resting and the moving? you are making the assumption that we | resting and the moving? you are - making the assumption that we slept! there _ making the assumption that we slept! there was— making the assumption that we slept! there was not a lot of that, unfortunately. in the debrief of what _ unfortunately. in the debrief of what we — unfortunately. in the debrief of what we would do differently, one would _ what we would do differently, one would be — what we would do differently, one would be more comfort... to be honest. — would be more comfort... to be honest. it — would be more comfort... to be honest, it was grab it while you can _ honest, it was grab it while you can that's_ honest, it was grab it while you can. that's part of the way we worked — can. that's part of the way we worked out our lives anyway. a lot of planning — worked out our lives anyway. a lot of planning but some of it had to be reactive _ reactive. inaudible. we tried to grab some sleep when they were — we tried to grab some sleep when they were driving on the hill... a they were driving on the hill... remarkable logistical effort, as well as the physical toll. thank you so much for coming on the programme, appreciate your time and congratulations.- appreciate your time and congratulations. appreciate your time and conrratulations. , congratulations. sorry, could we 'ust ut congratulations. sorry, could we just put out--- — congratulations. sorry, could we just put out... just _ congratulations. sorry, could we just put out... just in _ congratulations. sorry, could we just put out... just in case... - congratulations. sorry, could we i just put out... just in case... nine peaks, we were 100% over what we thought we would hit, anything would help. i have plugged it now, sorry... help. i have plugged it now, sor ., ., ., ., sorry... you have done it, thanks for that! just to bring you back up to date with our main story, the breaking news in the last couple of hours out of ukraine. the us secretary of state antony blinken has been visiting and we heard from him at a press conference in the last hour or so, giving an update about a further commitment from the us to support ukraine. largely the military effort. $1 billion in support. mainly military but other areas as well, civilian life rebuilding, and a continuing commitment to support ukraine. interestingly, there was an interesting line among many, where he said that progress has accelerated in the past few weeks in terms of the counteroffensive. the counteroffensive, of course, has been going on for quite a long time, progress has been slowed. ukrainian expectation management has always been that it was always going to be slow, not least because of the amount of my macros and minefields laid by the russians. antony blinken there with a positive note. —— the amount of my macros. he said progress has accelerated in the past few weeks. wednesday brought us the fourth consecutive day where heatwave thresholds were crossed for many parts of the uk. temperatures in london reached around 32 celsius, as was the picture in primrose hill a little bit earlier on. so lots more sunshine, hazy sunshine for some of us in the forecast. now we've got a storm in the mediterranean, storm daniel, that's been bringing really heavy rain and strong winds down towards greece. we've also got low pressure out towards the west of spain and portugal and that combination is drawing in these warm southerly winds. so high pressure sits to the east. that's bringing us the dry weather, the southerly winds bringing the heat and humidity. and overnight we could see a few rumbles of thunder, perhaps heavy showers around the parts of wales, south—west england towards the isle of man by the end of the night. and in the east, we've got a bit of low cloud that's going to be drifting its way onshore. so a few misty, murky patches as you start your thursday morning. but it is going to be a really warm, sticky, humid—feeling night, perhaps not dropping below around 20 degrees in the south—west. so tomorrow then we have got that threat of one or two isolated showers around some of these irish sea coasts, perhaps pembrokeshire, up towards northern ireland, for instance. the cloud and fog around eastern scotland and northeast england should burn back towards the coast gradually through the day. but temperatures again well above average, the mid to high 20s for most of us, 30 degrees or so once again for london and the southeast on thursday. and then we do it all again for friday. so again, we've got a bit of low cloud that lingers in the east but slowly clears. and the threat of a few more showers around some of these irish sea coasts with a bit of low cloud there. but in between blue sky, warm sunshine, we could see a bit of a drop in air quality, though, over the next few days. but again, those temperatures are reaching the high 20s or low 30s, well above average. now, a slight change as we head into saturday, as we start to see frontal systems trying to move in from the northwest. so perhaps a bit breezier with a bit more cloud and the odd shower for northern ireland and the west of scotland. further south and east it stays hot and dry once again with temperatures building. look at that, 32 degrees or so but do bear in mind could be a bit of pollution and poor air quality trapped underneath that high pressure. now head into sunday then and these fronts just start to topple in across the north west of the uk trying to move southeast into monday. so eventually into next week they'll bring some slightly cooler, fresh conditions with a few showers but still some sunshine. certainly the next few days in the south, particularly, looking very hot. bye— bye. hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones. you're watching the context on bbc news. translation: | would - like to speak about yet another russian attack in donbas, in the town of kostyantinivka. we understand that they are killing civilians on purpose. we don't yet know exactly what the nature of the projectile was, but certainly the images that have circulated subsequently of the damage done are pretty horrendous. a few months ago in helsinki, . i spoke to how president putin's war in ukraine has been and will continue to be. a strategic failure for russia. welcome to the programme. in ukraine, 17 people are killed in a busy market. this as the us secretary of state visits the country. we of state visits the country. will be heading to brazii the we will be heading to brazil were the top —— where the rates of deforestation have fallen significantly. to discuss these points, i'll bejoined by the panel — rebecca harding — independent trade economist and kelly hyman, legal analyst and democratic strategist. we will start in ukraine where us secretary of state antony blinken has announced more aid to ukraine. 17 people killed. footage has been posted by the ukrainian government of this alleged attack. just a warning, it is distressing.

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