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were trapped inside by a gate, blocked by the bodies of those who had already died. i was watching out of the window, all of the building was on fire so i decided myself to jump first. ijumped down, my wife throw for me a baby, i catch him. i tell her to tie a bed sheet. she tied a bed sheet and came down it. i catch him. relief and shock etched on the faces of those who managed to escape, but the rows of body bags are a grim reminder of those who didn't. many who lived inside this building were migrants from across the continent. the residents here were living in overcrowded conditions without consistent electricity or water. authorities say it resembled an informal settlement with shack—like partitions of cardboard boxes and sheets that likely fed the fire. now that the flames have been extinguished, the realisation that not everyone is coming out has set in. translation: i couldn't get into the second floor- because the fire was so bad. someone found my five—year—old and rescued him but i lost my 2—year—old. i don't know what to do, i don't know where to go. the flames were so intense that people inside have been said to be burnt beyond recognition. i have got about 23 years in the service, i have never come across something like this in my whole life. we sympathise with the people who have lost their lives, the residents who have lost their lives here, but we must do something about it as a city, working together to make sure we prevent incidents like this one. this evening, a visit by the south african president. support for him evident even among those grieving. the ministers and the mses and the province and the city are working now full out to make sure that those who need assistance, from accommodation to trauma counselling to hospitalisation, are being looked after. while the cause of the fire is still unknown, authorities are promising a thorough investigation as loved ones in mourning demand answers about one of the worst fires in south africa's history. shingai nyoka, bbc news, johannesburg. well, for more, i spoke with patrick gaspard, former us ambassador to south africa. thank you forjoining us. during your time as ambassador and since then, you have been in buildings like the one involved in this tragedy. can you tell us a little bit about what the conditions are like? thank you for having me on in such unfortunate circumstances and a need to face a condolences to all those effected by this horrible fire and to the people of johannesburg and south africa. we hope they will weekly recover. i have been in that community, used to be the central business in the apartheid area. i saw it first in 1990 and then over the years as it deteriorated. there is a particular building which is not very farfrom particular building which is not very far from that location, that i had the occasion to visit. it was full of migrant workers, struggling women with children, completely dilapidated, no running water, no electricity, people living literally one on top of one another inside the complex, it was a complex taken over by a cartel, built out of scaffolding, township type housing and which under threat of eviction was leased out. it was all illegal. some of what happened today, unfortunately, more could be coming for a long time. . . , ., time. earlier the city of johannesburg - time. earlier the city of| johannesburg confirmed time. earlier the city of i johannesburg confirmed it time. earlier the city of - johannesburg confirmed it owned this beanie but it had been taken over by cartels. —— this building. how does that come about? �* , . ~ building. how does that come about? �*, . ~' . building. how does that come about? �*, ., ~ ., , about? let's talk about this secific about? let's talk about this specific building. _ about? let's talk about this specific building. it - about? let's talk about this specific building. it fell - about? let's talk about this specific building. it fell into i specific building. it fell into such disrepair, it is the albert street post office where black south africans during apartheid had come through to get their papers to designate who is eligible to work in the city. it was a place of oppression. following apartheid it was turned into a shelter for women and children, to build a new legacy for the future. regrettably, the ngo that ran that shelter did not receive the kind of support it should have received from the municipal government. it was abandoned. squatters moved in and cartels which have taken over close to 57 abandoned buildings in the city of johannesburg then moved in and created a kind of corrupted market for shotgun housing for migrants and for very poor, low income south africans. they divided these properties, bringing illegal wiring, electricity, and take them over and charging exorbitant fees and charging exorbitant fees and the ct, which regrettably and the ct, which regrettably and shockley has gone through six different mayors in the last 22 months, has really lost the ability to govern it effectively, in those spaces and disbanded a task force intentionally put together to help deal with the crisis of these buildings. in help deal with the crisis of these buildings.— help deal with the crisis of these buildings. in your view, should the — these buildings. in your view, should the city _ these buildings. in your view, should the city have - these buildings. in your view, should the city have seen - these buildings. in your view, should the city have seen a i should the city have seen a tragedy like this coming? {krill tragedy like this coming? civil society grouns _ tragedy like this coming? civil society groups have _ tragedy like this coming? (1 l society groups have been warning about exactly this kind of tragedy. for a long time. your viewers must understand the city ofjohannesburg is facing a crisis. i am a nationalist but it is going through lots of crisis. electricity crisis, load shedding constantly through the days and through the weeks, a water crisis plus an economic crisis which is driving some folks out of the city and driven up significant spikes into crime into certain hot pockets of the city, like marshalltown. several groups have been advocating against this challenge in housing for some time. there are 20,000 people designated as homeless injohannesburg in in johannesburg in approximately1 million injohannesburg in approximately1 million seen as having insufficient housing throughout. there has been a gentrification crisis in johannesburg where old buildings have been knocked down and new ones put up and the city has not moved quickly enough to build low income housing forjohannesburg residents and it has toppled a challenge into a crisis so, yes, they should have seen it coming. yes, they should have seen it comin:. ., . , , coming. you had the president visitin: coming. you had the president visiting today, _ coming. you had the president visiting today, describing - coming. you had the president visiting today, describing it - visiting today, describing it as a wake—up call, to begin to address the situation of housing in the inner—city. why would he say that given everything have described? i expect rapid government action in partnership with ngos and the private sector to turn around this crisis in that city but the writing has been on the wall for some time that something like this could happen. something like this could ha en. ., ,, something like this could hauen. ., ., ., happen. former us ambassador to south africa, _ happen. former us ambassador to south africa, thank _ happen. former us ambassador to south africa, thank you _ happen. former us ambassador to south africa, thank you for - south africa, thank you for joining us. south africa, thank you for joining oo— south africa, thank you for joining no— joining us. thank you for havin: joining us. thank you for having me- _ the african union has strongly condemned the military takeover in gabon. it also suspended the country from all participation in its activities. previously, the gabonese junta said it would phase in what it's calling transitional institutions, after the removal of president ali bongo. the soldiers gave no details on how long these institutions would remain in place or whether power might be handed back to a civilian government. 0ur regional africa editor will ross has been following developments. we have had another announcement from the military leaders in gabon saying general brice clotaire 0ligui nguema will be sworn in before the constitutional court on monday. the authorities have also tried to kind of come the international reaction to the crew by saying that it will ensure the country sticks to its commitments, including paying off the debts that it currently has. at the same time, we have had an interesting development from the opposition coalition that was trying to defeat the president, ali bongo 0ndimba, on the election on the weekend. it is saying if the vote count should continue and it is appealing to the military authorities to install what it sees as its rightful candidate. the coalition believes it won the election but i think the chances of the military leaders doing anything about that appeal are pretty slim. it looks as though they are here to stay, as it were. the person we have not heard from 524 hours is the deposed president ali bongo, who we understand is still being detained. we are waiting now also for a wider international reaction to curve. the african union has been meeting and so have the central african original countries, trying to account really how to respond to it but they are in a of a dilemma was up they are in a of a dilemma was up to this country is not only condemn the coup but go further and say we must reinstate the president, when that president is from a family that that has beenin is from a family that that has been in power in gabon for pretty close to 60 years. a court has sentenced two members of the far—right proud boys militia to long prison terms for storming the us capitol building injanuary 2021. joseph biggs, a former leader of the proud boys, was given 17 years — one of the longest sentences among the hundreds convicted for the capitol attack. prosecutors say biggs was a key figure in the organised attempts to forcibly overturn presidentjoe biden's 2020 election victory. another leader, zachary rehl, received 15 years. the president of fifa has intervened in the row over the kiss the head of spain's football federation gave player jenni hermoso at the women's world cup final, saying it should never have happened. it's gianni infantino first public comments on the matter. he also says luis rubiales has spoiled spain's victory celebrations. fifa has already suspended mr rubiales while it investigates the kiss on the mouth, whichjenni hermoso says felt like an assault. he is resisting intense pressure to resign. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. grant shapps has been named as the uk's new defence secretary in a mini reshuffle of prime minister rishi sunak�*s cabinet. shapps replaces ben wallace, who is leaving politics. the appointment was not widely expected with shapps having held five ministerial jobs in the past year. us supreme courtjustice clarence thomas has disclosed he took three trips aboard a republican donor's private plane last year. justice thomas cited security concerns as the reason he accepted the travel. the conservative judge says failing to previously report the hospitality had been inadvertent. supreme courtjurists are required to file annual financial disclosure forms. and the un secretary—general and turkey's foreign minister have both pressed for a resumption of the deal that allows safe passage of ukrainian grain via the black sea. antonio guterres says he's sent russia's foreign minister a set of concrete proposals aimed at restarting the agreement. the kremlin has said it would only resume if the west guarantees that russia's own crops wouldn't be obstructed. you're live with bbc news. wagner chief yevgeny prigozhin alluded to threats to his safety in a newly surfaced video, which appears to have been filmed days before he died in a plane crash. the clip was posted on social media thursday, the mercenary leader appeared to say "everything's 0k" to those discussing his well—being. the bbc has not been able to verify the location or the date of the video. it comes as there are reports russian president putin will travel to china in october. it would be his first trip abroad since the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for him in march because of the russian leader's alleged involvement in the forced deportation of ukrainian children. earlier, my colleague sumi somaskanda spoke with beth van schaack, the ambassador—at—large for global criminaljustice at the us state department about what can be done to stop these forced deportations. ambassador, thank you for joining us on bbc news and i want to start with a forced deportation and transfer of ukrainian children to russia and if you look at what the un commission of enquiry on ukraine said back in march already, they said that more than 16,000 ukrainian children had been forcibly transferred to russia, that number as we know could be much higher by now, and they call this, "a violation of international humanitarian law" and said that it amounts to a war crime. you auree? it amounts to a war crime. you agree? do _ it amounts to a war crime. you agree? do agree, _ it amounts to a war crime. you agree? do agree, it's- it amounts to a war crime. you agree? do agree, it's one - it amounts to a war crime. gm, agree? do agree, it's one of the most egregious and actually cruel elements of russia public terrible war of aggression on the ukraine. taking children from theirfamilies from the ukraine. taking children from their families from their legal guardians often very far from ukraine subjecting them to be education, political indoctrination even military training, their ties to their family and guardians are severed, there is no way to keepin severed, there is no way to keep in touch with them and parents, usually mothers and grandmothers, have to now going to russia and try to track those children down in order to bring them back to their homes and families. 50. bring them back to their homes and families.— bring them back to their homes and families. so, what recourse is therefore _ and families. so, what recourse is therefore ukraine _ and families. so, what recourse is therefore ukraine to - and families. so, what recourse is therefore ukraine to make i is therefore ukraine to make sure that these children are returned and how can the us in this will help?— this will help? they are trying to set u- this will help? they are trying to set up pricing _ this will help? they are trying to set up pricing mechanisms| to set up pricing mechanisms and open source investigations to determine whether children are. russian officials have posted photographs of them looking happy with their new families and also, adoption websites, putting these children up for adoption or foster care, using some of these open source techniques, ukraine has been able to identify these children. there are also a number of investigations happening around the world because these are a war crime, in violation of the fourth geneva convention to protect civilians and children in particular, so we know that the international criminal court has not issued to arrest warrants, one for president putin himself and one for his children's rights commissioner which is a misnomer if i have ever heard one, maria bilobrova, both of them prosecuted for the unlawful transfer or deportation of children from ukraine into russian controlled areas or russian controlled areas or russia itself.— russian controlled areas or russia itself. we'll come back to the of those _ russia itself. we'll come back to the of those arrest - russia itself. we'll come back to the of those arrest might i russia itself. we'll come back| to the of those arrest might in a moment but i want to ask about a bbc investigation we haven't looked into prisoners of war, who said they were tortured in russian prisons. is that something that your office is investigating and what can be done there?— be done there? indeed, the re ort be done there? indeed, the report is — be done there? indeed, the report is consistent - be done there? indeed, the report is consistent with - be done there? indeed, the i report is consistent with what we are seeing with regard to any individuals who find themselves within russian custody, whether civilians or prisoners of war. individuals who have been released i have escaped have reported consistently they are receiving what amounts to torture, mistreatment, even electrocution, sexual violence and so, the stories of prisoners of war being released are very consistent. what the laws of war demand is humane treatment to anyone held in custody during wartime situation, and that is not what individuals are receiving and they are in russian custody. but can russia be held to account for that? russian officials _ account for that? russian officials came, _ account for that? russian officials came, both - account for that? russian - officials came, both individual perpetrators were doing the mistreatment and detention of the working level, the rank—and—file level, but also up rank—and—file level, but also up the chain of command because there is enough of a pattern in practice here that indicates that russian superiors and political officials either know or should have known or perhaps even have ordered these crimes do happen, and so any of those forms of responsibility can be prosecuted as war crimes under international and domestic law. i want to talk about the architecture of international law which is something your office is working closely with end—user there are essentially five pathways to justice for ukraine to go through them, cases in ukrainian courts, the international criminal court, european and other courts, us courts and some sort of special tribunal to prosecute the crime of aggression. tribunal to prosecute the crime of aggression-— of aggression. that's right. talkinu of aggression. that's right. talking about _ of aggression. that's right. talking about the - of aggression. that's right. talking about the us - of aggression. that's right. j talking about the us court, seen russian war crimes tribe in us courts and what would that look like?— that look like? indeed, last time congress _ that look like? indeed, last time congress amended . that look like? indeed, lastj time congress amended us that look like? indeed, last- time congress amended us law to enable the united states to prosecute war crimes when the perpetrator is found here, regardless of the nationality of the victim, of the perpetrator or place of commissions so if there were a russian perpetrator here in the united states, we compress war crimes charges against the individual in federal court. i5 individual in federal court. is there precedent for that? individual in federal court. is i there precedent for that? there is not, the _ there precedent for that? there is not, the statute _ there precedent for that? there is not, the statute has - there precedent for that? there is not, the statute has never. is not, the statute has never been used before in part because it had limitations and at the congress has now lifted but we do have a special war crimes unit within the department ofjustice that is dedicated to investigating these cases and bringing charges under the whole suite of international crimes statute in our federal penal code. coming back to the international criminal court and its arrest warrant for vladimir putin, the president of russia, is not party to the rome statute, the us is not either so how can the us actually support such an investigation and the work of the international committee court? ., ., , ., court? there are a number of wa s court? there are a number of ways that _ court? there are a number of ways that we _ court? there are a number of ways that we have _ court? there are a number of ways that we have in - court? there are a number of ways that we have in the i court? there are a number of ways that we have in the past and can in the future support the work of the icc even as a nonmember. we can provide information sharing, we can assist with witness protection and witness relocation. we have in the past helped identify, find and transfer to suspects to the court, both of whom were then ultimately found guilty for war crimes and crime against vanity. we can also apply a range of diplomatic support, and congress recently allowed for the united provide financial assistance funding was available for the purpose, so even as a nonparty state, there are many ways that we can support the court which occupies a very important place in this larger ecosystem of internationaljustice. but international 'ustice. but critics say _ internationaljustice. but critics say the _ internationaljustice. but critics say the us - internationaljustice. but critics say the us has i internationaljustice. but critics say the us has no moral authority on this question because it is not a member or party to the statute. should the us be a member specifically in situations like this? i think there is lots we can do without being a member and so congress sees fit to ratify the rome statute that we can participate as a full member but even as a nonmember there are things that we can and should be doing because the court plays an important role in partnership with national courts around the world that have primaryjurisdiction over international crimes. ambassador, great to have you with us. , ., ., , with us. great to be here, thank you _ with us. great to be here, thank you so _ with us. great to be here, thank you so much. i there's new evidence of tension around long—standing territorial disputes in the south china sea. officials in the philippines have told the bbc they will not be intimidated by a chinese ship using water cannon against filipino coastguards approaching a contested reef. china has long claimed a considerable expanse of the sea as its own waters — the area within the red dotted line you can see here. that's in contrast to the internationally recognised system that you can see marked here in blue, assigning countries in the region waters 200 nautical miles out from their coast. in the centre of this part of the sea are the disputed spratly islands. 0ur asia pacific correspondent laura bicker sent this report from near there, on the island of palawan in the philippines. 0n the edge of this filipino paradise, survival depends on the sea. if you don't fish, you don't eat. they are used to battling wind and tide but this country is also in a stand—off with beijing over who owns which part of the south china sea. the crew of this ship used to fish near contested waters. from the age of 1a, the deputy captain spent months on those shoals, but not any more. translation: we might not return there, ma'am. - we are now scared. we're scared of china. we were harassed and even asked to leave. the fishermen have been asked tojoin a militia to help defend filipino territory. but life is already bathed in saltwater and sweat while steering boats made of simple bamboo. they have no wish to take on a global superpower. translation: you feel guarded. how can we feed our families? what we need is to fish — that's our goal, out in the sea. the chinese might fire their water cannons. we just have a wooden boat. we're really afraid of going back there. this is what the fishermen are afraid of. the chinese took this action against the filipino coast guard. these are philippine waters, according to un law. resolved to keep hold of their reefs, manila deliberately ran aground a rusting world war ii ship on what is known as ayungin shoal. but recent monthly efforts to supply troops on board with food and water have become increasingly tense. china argues that it is doing what is necessary to protect its sovereignty, its claims over the south china sea. the problem is that beijing's tactics and beijing's actions are pushing american allies in this region closer together, against what they see as aggression. in a show of solidarity, australia held its first large—scale joint exercises with the philippines last week. they practised retaking an enemy—controlled island. and in manila bay, japanese and us navy warships sit side by side, ready forjoint drills. allied support has emboldened the philippines to speak out. really, it is a david versus goliath issue butjust like david, we will continue to pound and double down on the need to protect the resources which are important for the future of the philippines. the outcome of this dispute could have a profound impact here. where once their future was determined by ocean currents, now it may depend on the resolve of world leaders. laura bicker, bbc news, palawan. it's back—to—school season here in the us but battles over what's being taught inside the classroom are threatening to overshadow the actual schoolwork ahead. according to the american civil liberties union, 17 states have passed more than 30 new laws that restrict lg btq—related education. florida is among those states with an expanded law that restricts health educators from teaching about gender identity and sexual orientation. here's us secretary of education miguel cardona. we recognise that the attack that public school is under in places like florida and we recognise that when politics enters the classroom, our students lose. and we'll have more from that interview with secretary miguel cardona in a special edition of bbc news focusing on education here in the us and around the world. it'll air friday at 8pm eastern, which is 1am saturday for viewers in the uk. before we go, you may remember a time capsule. it was at west point's military academy and was recently opened and thought to be empty. well, it certainly wasn't. a closer look has revealed the box held a medal and five coins dating back two centuries. this is the oldest, a coin minted in 1795 when george washington was still us president. the academy says the items were "embedded within the matrix" of the box. thanks for watching. good morning. well, with the change of month, once again, we're likely to see a change of weather fortunes. high pressure is going to build as we head into the weekend and for the first week of september. yes, we'll see some early morning mist and fog first thing but on the whole, for most of us, it will be dry, sunny and increasingly warm. ahead of that, though, we've still got to get rid of this messy—looking weather front that's going to produce some low cloud and some drizzle first thing in the morning, particularly through northern ireland, scottish borders, down into the north of england. now, to the north of that, clear skies and a chilly start but sunny start for scotland. to the south of that, a cloudy start but the cloud will thin and break and a few scattered showers break out. one or two of those could be quite hefty. top temperatures generally between 17 and 22 celsius. now, as we move into the weekend, we are likely to see that frontal system easing away and the high pressure starts to build from the west. we could start off with a little bit of patchy low cloud, mist and fog across central and eastern england. clearer skies further north here. single figures to start off our saturday. so, that mist will take its time to clear away but on the whole, it's all about high pressure. a weak weather front will bring some breezier and wetter conditions to the north but with lighter winds first thing in the morning, it could start off a little bit murky and disappointing. it won't be long, though, before we see some sunshine breaking through and the warmth starts to build. so, as we go into saturday, yes, a grey start for some. more sunshine further north and west. this weather front trying to push in but really, not making too much of an impression for the first half of the weekend. as we go through the afternoon, there'll be some decent sunny spells and temperatures will start to climb, 23 or 2a degrees — that's into the mid 70s fahrenheit. now, as we move out of saturday into sunday, there's that weatherfront, bringing some breezier conditions and rain to the far north—west but on the whole, sunday will be a dry day with plenty of sunshine coming through and a degree or so warmer by the middle part of the afternoon — mid 20s quite possible across central and southern parts of england. warmer still as we go through the week ahead — in fact, some places could see temperatures into the high 20s by the middle part of the week. take care. the battle over advanced chips heats up as export controls begin for one of europe's biggest tech companies. # sexy enough to start a chain reaction. one avatar gets a major recording contract and raises challenges for the creative community. hi there and welcome to asia business report with me mariko oi. let's begin with the global chip war because semiconductor equipment maker asml has confirmed reports it had received licenses from the dutch government to export some of its advanced tools to customers in china until the end of the year. export controls are due to begin today, after the netherlands has followed pressure from the united states to curb with the sales of advanced computer chip technology. this means the current licenses in place are good until the end of 2023. it's widely expected that in 2024, these licenses will not be renewed and so what that means is asml which has a 90% market share in this space, is not going to be able to sell these machine next year in china.

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