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thank you. good afternoon, colleagues. 50 thank you. good afternoon, colleagues. so far, i can confirm that we have managed to retrieve 7a bodies, which we have already processed in the mortuary. there are also body parts which we will, through dna analysis, ascertain which parts belong to each body. among the 7a bodies, we have 2a females, adults, a0 male adults and ten bodies of children. those bodies were bent beyond recognition. among those i mentioned, there were 12 children also involved in this tragedy. in terms of the response vehicles, we managed to dispatch one disaster truck which carried 23 bodies from the scene, as well as ten body collection vehicles. in terms of our team, we disbursed at least 26 members to respond to that scene. 50 least 26 members to respond to that scene. so far, we are busy processing and registering their bodies. we will be sharing details with the media, but we intend to process those bodies and make them available to be viewed as early as tomorrow morning. the issue of when the postmortems will be conducted will be communicated in due course. we have to undertake dna analysis and also try to get identification of those and take fingerprints through the digital fingerprint system we have just launched recently in the forensic pathology services. once those two processes are done, we will be able to assist the families in terms of viewing the bodies that can be viewed. with those that cannot, we will take dna samples from family members as well as from the bodies that are not identifiable. thank you so much. i now call if there are any questiohsm _ good afternoon. studio: well, there we are going — good afternoon. studio: well, there we are going to _ good afternoon. studio: well, there we are going to leave _ good afternoon. studio: well, there we are going to leave this _ good afternoon. studio: well, there we are going to leave this news - we are going to leave this news conference. we have been listening for the last 20 minutes as they have given us the last update in terms of casualty figures. 66 adults and seven children dying in that fire. and in the last few moments, we had some of the obvious difficulties in terms of identifying some of those who perished in that fire. let's bring on our correspondent, pumza fihlani, who was listening. really distressing to hear in detail from those city officials exactly what happened. seven children died, and they are still going through the wreckage trying to find out if there are more who have died in this place? in are more who have died in this lace? ., . ., , , , are more who have died in this lace? , , place? in fact, those numbers may have changed _ place? in fact, those numbers may have changed in _ place? in fact, those numbers may have changed in the _ place? in fact, those numbers may have changed in the last _ place? in fact, those numbers may have changed in the last few - have changed in the last few minutes. we are now hearing that as many as 13 children may have died in that fire. i was speaking to officials to get a picture of the living conditions inside the building. we get a sense that it was a building that was overcrowded, with as many as ten people sometimes living in an apartment that should how is no more than two people. these are some of the things that made it difficult to not only get access into the building is the rescue workers tried to comb through the different floors to locate people and get them out to safety, but also made it difficult for those who are currently in those buildings to make it out to safety. this happened at a time when there wasn't any power in the building, so pitch dark, peoplejust any power in the building, so pitch dark, people just scrambling and trying to remember where the nearest exit is. some of them died because they then got stuck in a corner and piled up on top of each other, dying from smoke inhalation. it paints a grim picture of the dire conditions often faced by working—class people, including african migrants who travel to johannesburg including african migrants who travel tojohannesburg in search of better economic prospects, as well as south africans from poorer provinces who also come to johannesburg in search of the same thing. they then often seek housing in such buildings, buildings that have been declared unsafe and are taken over by gangs who illegally charge rent, sometimes weekly, and people feel they have no alternative because they don't qualify for mainstream rentals because they are either undocumented or have bad credit. they are than the targets of these criminal gangs that house them and cram them into these buildings. we were listening to that news conference. how much pressure are the authorities coming under over the authorities coming under over the idea of hijacked buildings? it is nothing new, but they have been grappling with it and have failed to be able to prevent it. thea;t grappling with it and have failed to be able to prevent it.— be able to prevent it. they are facin: be able to prevent it. they are facing immense _ be able to prevent it. they are facing immense pressure. - be able to prevent it. they are | facing immense pressure. they be able to prevent it. they are - facing immense pressure. they have been harshly criticised for not doing enough to make sure that people who are known to be living in these buildings are evacuated and taken to these buildings are evacuated and ta ken to safety. they have these buildings are evacuated and taken to safety. they have said it is often difficult exercise, because the law here in south africa says that even if a building is illegally occupied, you cannotjust evict someone. you need to find alternative accommodation. they say they often run into problems around shortages of housing where if you move people, where are you taking? and in terms of the criminal gangs, these are often people that use aliases or themselves undocumented. so very difficult to track down. some residents have told us that they will often see different people coming into the building weekly to collect rent. they know little about them except that when rent is due, it is due. they cannot give you their names, addresses or phone number sometimes. that their names, addresses or phone number sometimes.— number sometimes. that news conference _ number sometimes. that news conference is — number sometimes. that news conference is still _ number sometimes. that news conference is still going - number sometimes. that news conference is still going on, . number sometimes. that news conference is still going on, so | number sometimes. that news | conference is still going on, so i will let you continue to monitor that. in the last few moments, we have heard that president ramaphosa has cancelled his address to the nation and he will instead visit the site himself and get a briefing from the emergency services. plenty more on that through the course of this programme. now, let's return that breaking news in england. schools in england must immediately shut buildings made with a type of concrete that is prone to collapse until safety measures are in place. more than a hundred schools are being contacted before the start of term. the decision has come from the government, who say "nothing is more important than making sure children and staff are safe in schools and colleges". they added that "the plan we have set out will minimise the impact on pupil learning and provide schools with the right funding and support they need". let's talk tojulie mcculloch — the director of policy at the association of school and college leaders. in terms of your reaction to this development, give us your response. it's hugely worrying and frustrating. we know the government has been aware of the problems with this form of concrete in schools for some time. they have been asking schools to complete surveys about whether or not they have this concrete in their buildings over the last few months. they have been putting advice to schools until today, which has been at risk of that sort of concrete has been determined to be critical, they can't use those spaces. but if the risk has been less than that, they have been told they can continue to use those spaces. that was previously. today, the government has put out new guidance and has been phoning school to say actually, if any of this form of concrete has been identified, in any of their buildings, they must not use those buildings, they must not use those buildings with immediate effect. it's very last minute for schools going back to start the new year this week or next week and it's going to be hugely disruptive for schools concerned.— schools concerned. what is your understanding _ schools concerned. what is your understanding on _ schools concerned. what is your understanding on numbers - schools concerned. what is your understanding on numbers of. schools concerned. what is your - understanding on numbers of schools involved here? fiur understanding on numbers of schools involved here?— involved here? our understanding is that there are _ involved here? our understanding is that there are 150 _ involved here? our understanding is that there are 150 schools _ involved here? our understanding is that there are 150 schools who - involved here? our understanding is that there are 150 schools who have | that there are 150 schools who have been identified as having this form of concrete so far. there may be others. 52 of those schools have been able to put mitigations in place so that the buildings are usable. that leaves 10a schools so far who have this form of concrete, haven't yet been able to put mitigations in place and so have been advised to close those spaces to children and young people. haifa to children and young people. how surrised to children and young people. how surprised are _ to children and young people. how surprised are you _ to children and young people. how surprised are you that we are getting these developments this close to the start of the new term, or is thatjust the consequence of examining what they are dealing with and coming to the logical conclusions when they can? in and coming to the logical conclusions when they can? in many wa s, it's conclusions when they can? in many ways. it's not _ conclusions when they can? in many ways, it's not surprising _ conclusions when they can? in many ways, it's not surprising because - ways, it's not surprising because the amount of funding the government has been putting into school buildings over the last decade has fallen drastically. many organisations have been telling them for a long time at school buildings are in a dreadful state in a lot of places. so it's not surprising that theseissues places. so it's not surprising that these issues are starting to emerge. what is worrying is that this decision has been made so late in the day when the government has been aware of these issues for months if not years. do aware of these issues for months if not ears. ,, ~ aware of these issues for months if not ears. i. ~ �*, not years. do you think it's possible — not years. do you think it's possible for _ not years. do you think it's possible for all _ not years. do you think it's possible for all the - not years. do you think it's possible for all the schools involved in those places of learning to have contingencies, but to have pupils in school without having some sort of accommodation where they are taught from home? the sort of accommodation where they are taught from home?— taught from home? the hope is that children have _ taught from home? the hope is that children have had _ taught from home? the hope is that children have had enough _ taught from home? the hope is that children have had enough disruption j children have had enough disruption over the last few years. the hope is that no children will have to do remote learning and be taught from home. but it will depend on the individual circumstances in different schools. in a school where there are just one or two classrooms affected, they can probably make things work and bringing a portacabin or something along those lines. in schools where they have this form of concrete throughout their buildings, that will be much more problematic. some schools are having to look at whether pupils can be bussed out to other schools and be bussed out to other schools and be taught that while these issues are sorted out. for some pupils and families, this will be hugely disruptive. families, this will be hugely disruptive-_ families, this will be hugely disrutive. n . disruptive. julie mcculloch, thanks for “oininu disruptive. julie mcculloch, thanks forjoining us- _ around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. the former conservative mp antoinette sandbach has asked to be removed from an academic�*s research that connects her to a slave—owning ancestor. malik al nasir named ms sandbach as a descendant of samuel sandbach — a liverpool merchant, who had a stake in plantations in the west indies in a 2021 video. she argues there's no public interest in identifying her. sandwich chain pret—a—manger has been fined £800,000 after a member of staff was trapped in a walk—in freezer at one of its london shops for two and a half hours. the woman was treated for suspected hypothermia, and says she feared for her life. pret a manger say they've "worked with the manufacturer to develop a solution to stop this from happening again." police trying to trace a poet who went missing at a music festival have found a body during a nearby search operation. boyega odubanjo was last seen at the shambala music festival in northamptonshire at around aam on saturday morning. he was invited to read poetry at the event the following day. formal identification of the body has not yet taken place. you're live with bbc news. here, grant shapps has been appointed as the new uk defence secretary. mr shapps has previously held a number of other cabinet positions — including energy and transport secretary. he succeeds ben wallace, who has resigned and is standing down from parliament at the next general election. writing on social media, mr shapps said: as i get to work at defence headquarters, i am looking forward to working with the brave men and women...of our armed forces who defend our nation's security and continuing the uk's support for ukraine in theirfight against putin's barbaric invasion". some have reacted to grant shapps's appointment with a degree of scepticism. here's a former chief of the general staff of the british army, lord dannatt. the big question here is, is grant shapps just going to be a political appointee, where his primary task, if you like, will be to support the prime minister in cabinet, or is he going to really understand the needs of defence? and if he believes that defence needs greater funding, as ben wallace did, will he be willing to enter that discussion within cabinet, with the chancellor, with the treasury, and argue the toss for greater resources for defence? because that is what the ministry of defence needs. we will have more on that story later on verified live. let's now turn to the united states because search and rescue teams have been combing through damaged properties in florida in the wake of the hurricane that hit yesterday. officials have warned it could take time to reach remote areas in the south—eastern us state — with routes blocked by high water or downed trees. efforts are being made to reconnect hundreds of thousands of homes without power. i'm feeling great. the house is still here, but there are so many houses that are gone. and so much stuff around. i've never seen anything like this. as i rode through town, trying to get to my house, you see trees uprooted, power lines, you know, laying in the road. and it'sjust pretty devastating. it took a toll on this town. we stayed in the wal—mart parking lot last night and the wind - wasjust howling, howling. and we were boxed in. and there was other residents there from, you know, - that left their house. and, man, it wasjust . it was unbelievable how strong winds can be. mother nature is definitely nojoke to play with. - more from the us in a moment, but straight to that breaking news concerning doctors in england. the uk's bma union, for the first time, is saying junior doctors and consultants will be taking joint strike action in england. over the past few months, you will know that there have been a variety of strikes both byjunior doctors and both by junior doctors and consultants both byjunior doctors and consultants about pay and conditions. but this will be the first time there has been joint strike action. already, we have seen huge consequences of the various strikes among the doctors in terms of waiting lists and appointments being cancelled. but at each stage of those strikes, the other set of doctors was not involved. but this will be a first, which is junior doctors and consultants taking joint strike action in england. we will bring you more on that in a moment. that is significant news and we will have more on that in the next couple of minutes. we were looking at that hurricane in the us. let's head back to that story. let's speak now to elizabeth zimmerman, she's a senior executive advisor at iem which is a company that works around the world to help improve disaster preparedness, response and recovery. in terms of this hurricane hitting and casualties, the numbers are thankfully very low. is that a sign that the preparedness actually worked here?— that the preparedness actually worked here? , . . , ., worked here? yes, that means that --eole worked here? yes, that means that people evacuated _ worked here? yes, that means that people evacuated and _ worked here? yes, that means that people evacuated and got _ worked here? yes, that means that people evacuated and got out - worked here? yes, that means that people evacuated and got out when j people evacuated and got out when the local government told them to get out and get to higher land so they were not impacted by the most deadly storm surge that came through as well as the strong winds. in as well as the strong winds. in terms of storm surges, how long does that take today down? how long is there a risk from that?— there a risk from that? there is still a risk _ there a risk from that? there is still a risk in _ there a risk from that? there is still a risk in florida _ there a risk from that? there is still a risk in florida as - there a risk from that? there is still a risk in florida as well - there a risk from that? there is still a risk in florida as well as. still a risk in florida as well as george and south carolina as you move up the east coast. but there are also power lines and trees that are also power lines and trees that are down. you have to make sure it's safe to get through those communities, whether you are walking or attempting to drive. in communities, whether you are walking or attempting to drive.— or attempting to drive. in terms of how ou or attempting to drive. in terms of how you do _ or attempting to drive. in terms of how you do to _ or attempting to drive. in terms of how you do to clear _ or attempting to drive. in terms of how you do to clear up _ or attempting to drive. in terms of how you do to clear up operation l or attempting to drive. in terms of| how you do to clear up operation in the wake of all of this, take me through the stages that those people on the ground will be going through. what are the priorities? the on the ground will be going through. what are the priorities?— what are the priorities? the number one priority — what are the priorities? the number one priority is _ what are the priorities? the number one priority is to _ what are the priorities? the number one priority is to make _ what are the priorities? the number one priority is to make sure - what are the priorities? the number one priority is to make sure people i one priority is to make sure people are safe and secure and have a place to shelter, and to get food and water. keeping people out of the areas that were hardest hit and anyplace that got hit will have potential downed power lines. community teams will be out there making sure they can pick up power lines and make sure the roads are cleared. the number one thing will be to get roads cleared so people can get through and get back to their houses. that is the main thing they want to see, what has happened to their home, and to do damage assessments to see whether infrastructure has been damaged. do they still have water to drink, do they still have water to drink, do they still have their homes? and to help those who have lost their homes so they can start the recovery process and look at options for rebuilding. process and look at options for rebuilding-— process and look at options for rebuildinu. ., . , ., rebuilding. you have been involved in so many — rebuilding. you have been involved in so many disasters. _ rebuilding. you have been involved in so many disasters. i— rebuilding. you have been involved in so many disasters. i think - rebuilding. you have been involved in so many disasters. i think it - rebuilding. you have been involved in so many disasters. i think it is i in so many disasters. i think it is over 900 in total. how complicated is channelling federal disaster assistance to make sure it gets to where it is needed? the assistance to make sure it gets to where it is needed?— where it is needed? the most important _ where it is needed? the most important thing _ where it is needed? the most important thing to _ where it is needed? the most important thing to remember| where it is needed? the most i important thing to remember is where it is needed? the most - important thing to remember is that disasters start at the local level, so local community leaders will be the lead for any recovery work. they will help identify the people that have lost things and need assistance. if the state is not a available to provide that assistance, the federal government comes in. they are ready to ramp up and get the resources that are needed for those people, whether it be water and food, shelter, and as they go on to rebuild. the be water and food, shelter, and as they go on to rebuild.— be water and food, shelter, and as they go on to rebuild. the mayor of tallahassee — they go on to rebuild. the mayor of tallahassee has _ they go on to rebuild. the mayor of tallahassee has been _ they go on to rebuild. the mayor of tallahassee has been saying - they go on to rebuild. the mayor of tallahassee has been saying that i they go on to rebuild. the mayor of| tallahassee has been saying that to him, the storms that seem to be getting worse over the years. and people in positions of authority need to take stock with global warming and all of that to make sure that different contingencies are in place. is there an assessment that you share?— place. is there an assessment that you share? yes. there have been a lot more storms, _ you share? yes. there have been a lot more storms, a _ you share? yes. there have been a lot more storms, a lot _ you share? yes. there have been a lot more storms, a lot more - you share? yes. there have been a| lot more storms, a lot more intense as things have heated up with the climate changing, and i believe it's going to get worse. you mentioned t in: to going to get worse. you mentioned trying to restore — going to get worse. you mentioned trying to restore power. _ going to get worse. you mentioned trying to restore power. i _ going to get worse. you mentioned trying to restore power. i think- going to get worse. you mentioned trying to restore power. i think it i trying to restore power. i think it is a quarter of a million people still without power. generally, how long does it take for communities to get back on their feet? the long does it take for communities to get back on their feet?— get back on their feet? the state of florida and georgia _ get back on their feet? the state of florida and georgia are _ get back on their feet? the state of florida and georgia are the - get back on their feet? the state of florida and georgia are the two - get back on their feet? the state of florida and georgia are the two big | florida and georgia are the two big ones without power right now. they get a lot of resources from within their state from areas that were not impacted, as well as other states come in to assist them. power and utility companies are good at working together across state lines to get the power back on. that is the number one resource that is needed a lot of times. to get water, you have to have power first. elizabeth zimmermann, thank you for joining us on bbc news. more breaking news coming to us from georgia in the us, because former president donald trump has pleaded not guilty in the georgia election subversion case according to a court filing that has just been released. i will repeat that. there were four indictments around georgia. former president donald trump waiving a formal arraignment and pleading not guilty and that election subversion case. that is just coming from court documents filed in the last little while. if there is more, we will return to that. i want to return to that breaking news here in england. it is involving doctors and that long—running industrial action they have been taking. for the first time, they have announced a joint strike betweenjunior time, they have announced a joint strike between junior doctors and consultants. i havejust been reading the strike dates and information from the bma union. it is significant. consultants in england will be striking on the 19th and 20th of september, with christmas day levels of cover. junior doctors willjoin the strike on the 20th of september, also with christmas day levels of cover. they will continue to have full walk—outs on the 21st and 22nd of september. both consultants and junior doctors will be striking on the second, third and ath of october again, with christmas day levels of cover. 50 thatis christmas day levels of cover. 50 that is a whole number of strike dates from the bma and it is a significant ramping up of that strike action. in the last few months, we have seenjunior doctors taking strike action at different stages. consultants have done the same thing, but never at the same time. so from the bma's side, it is a ratcheting up of tactics. they continue to say to governments that they want to talk. the government have said they have put the last offer on the table and haven't come to talks. they say there is levels of pay rises are on the table, and the level is the bma are asking for are unrealistic. that is the stand—off, hence these new strike dates stop consultants in england will be striking on the 19th and 20th of september. junior doctors joining the strike on the 20th. there will be four workouts on the zist there will be four workouts on the 21st and 22nd of september in the third and ath of october. more strike action. hello. the weather is looking promising this weekend and into much of next week. for now, low pressure continues to bring cloud and outbreaks of rain for southern and western areas. some of the heaviest rain will be through the channel later this evening and overnight. this is how it is looking for the rest of today. northern ireland, wales, central and southern england will see thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain, but large parts of scotland and north—east england will stay dry, with sunny spells. variable clouds, with sunshine. this evening could see an area of thundery rain move through the channel. further north, it will be cloudy with outbreaks of light and patchy rain. quite a mild and muggy night to come in the south. flash across scotland. for friday, we have that weatherfront across southern scotland, northern ireland and northern england. to the north of it, sunnier with showers. some good sunny spells around and just one or two showers, the odd heavy one. and feeling warmer across the south—east. as we head through the weekend, although high pressure builds in, it will be largely dry and sunny for most of us. we lose that weatherfront as we move through friday night. saturday and sunday, high pressure with us, but these weather will continue to flirt with the north—west of the uk, bringing outbreaks of rain on sunday. saturday, we have some mist and fog to contend with. that should melt away. lots of sunshine. more cloud and breeze across scotland closer those weatherfronts. it is warming up those weatherfronts. it is warming up further south. sunday, a similar story. early mist and fog clears. plenty of sunshine, but we will see outbreaks of rain and strong wind for the highlands and islands. temperatures will be warming up. as we head into next week, high pressure continues to bring a lot of dry and settled weather, particularly towards southern and western areas, but there will be an increasing threat of showers and longer spells of rain as we move deeper into the week. rusty this is bbc n rusty. ews, the headlines: this is bbc news, the headlines: more than 70 people, including several children, are killed in a fire, at a block of flats injohannesburg. some schools in england are told to close buildings made from a type of concrete — over concerns they could collapse. time for a look at the business news now with ben thompson. let's start in china, where the latest economic data out shows the country's manufacturing activity contracted for a fifth straight month. the official manufacturing purchasing managers' index rose slightly to a9.7 in august, which was slightly higher than many analysts were expecting. but, that figure is still below 50 which signals contraction. it's safe to say, the much anticipated post—covid rebound has not materialised yet. there are also worries about the indebted property sector

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