the fourth indictment in five months. we'll bring you live coverage and reaction to last night's debate. with us tonight, former adviser to george w bust— to george w bush ron christie, former federal prosecutor joe moreno, attorney in georgia and democratic strategist chris bruce and for the international perspective, because this does have implications for the rest of us, anand menon, director of the thinktank the uk in a changing europe. good evening. in just a few hours�* time, donald trump will surrender to the authorities for the fourth time in five months. in all, he faces 91 felony counts. there is a risk he will face jail time, his electability is repeatedly questioned and yet right now is the runaway favourite to take the republican nomination. in the eyes of his supporters, he is the martyr, sacrificing himself on the altar ofjustice and truth. it is hard for many outside the country to understand that, but clearly there are thousands of republicans who still think that if washington is going after trump, then he must surely be on our side. what does that say about the strength of us democracy? and where does that leave the other eight candidates who appeared on stage in milwaukee last night? we will talk plenty about that in the next hour but let's look at the movements outside fulton county. when you asked for the president to appear? irate when you asked for the president to a- ear? ~ , . appear? we understand he will make his way down — appear? we understand he will make his way down here _ appear? we understand he will make his way down here in _ appear? we understand he will make his way down here in a _ appear? we understand he will make his way down here in a matter- his way down here in a matter of hours. former president donald trump posting on truth social, his social media platform, that he is expecting to arrive here around 7:30pm local time, so a matter of hours and when he does arrive, we believe he will most likely use this entrance just behind me to the jail here in fulton county and atlanta. that's where he will be processed so we know he will be fingerprinted and have likely other measurements done and we do believe that there will be a mug shot taken of the former president, the first one that he has had taken that this entire legal process which is now spanning four different criminal indictments. we have a slope and now more rapid trickle of other defendants making their way to this jail as well. 19 total people wrapped up in this particular indictment they were all accused of trying to subvert the presidential vote in 2020 in this state of georgia. 50 that's what we are expecting and it will be very long but of course everybody waiting to see if there will be that mug shot taken which will then be of course released publicly. qm. taken which will then be of course released publicly.— taken which will then be of course released publicly. 0k, karl, thank ou for released publicly. 0k, karl, thank you for that _ released publicly. 0k, karl, thank you for that. we _ released publicly. 0k, karl, thank you for that. we office _ released publicly. 0k, karl, thank you for that. we office of - released publicly. 0k, karl, thank you for that. we office of this - you for that. we office of this is unprecedented but of course it is not. it is entirely presented as we have seen it four times in five months. are you getting used to this? ,., ., ., months. are you getting used to this? ., i. this? good evening to you, christian- _ this? good evening to you, christian. in _ this? good evening to you, christian. in my _ this? good evening to you, christian. in my getting - this? good evening to you, i christian. in my getting used this? good evening to you, - christian. in my getting used to this? _ christian. in my getting used to this? no, — christian. in my getting used to this? no, i've neverseen christian. in my getting used to this? no, i've never seen anything like this _ this? no, i've never seen anything like this i— this? no, i've never seen anything like this. i was looking back to early— like this. i was looking back to early today would you and i were at windsor _ early today would you and i were at windsor as — early today would you and i were at windsor as of the protest against a former_ windsor as of the protest against a former president and the donald trump _ former president and the donald trump balloons in london and i thought— trump balloons in london and i thought that was kind of unprecedented but 91 terminal indictments? we have just never seen anything _ indictments? we have just never seen anything like this in the us, and my friend _ anything like this in the us, and my friend joe _ anything like this in the us, and my friend joe can talk about this at greater— friend joe can talk about this at greater length from a legal perspective of it, but the president is in particular legal peril. i have never— is in particular legal peril. i have never seen — is in particular legal peril. i have never seen the president of the united — never seen the president of the united states indicted by a local district — united states indicted by a local district attorney, not a us attorney, not a state attorney, and that's — attorney, not a state attorney, and that's what _ attorney, not a state attorney, and that's what we are going to see in futton— that's what we are going to see in fulton county later this evening. so put your— fulton county later this evening. so put your seat belt on, christian, we are in— put your seat belt on, christian, we are in unprecedented territory. joe, he has changed _ are in unprecedented territory. ire: he has changed his lawyer are in unprecedented territory. 1199 he has changed his lawyer today are in unprecedented territory. 1199: he has changed his lawyer today said is that reflect what you think ron is that reflect what you think ron is saying that he really does the legal peril that he is into the moment?— legal 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this case it's a very georgia centric set i case it's a very georgia centric set of charges — case it's a very georgia centric set of charges so— case it's a very georgia centric set of charges so i_ case it's a very georgia centric set of charges. so i think— case it's a very georgia centric set of charges. so i think it's- case it's a very georgia centric set of charges. so i think it's a smartl of charges. so i think it's a smart move _ of charges. so i think it's a smart move to — of charges. so i think it's a smart move to have _ of charges. so i think it's a smart move to have a _ of charges. so i think it's a smart move to have a georgia - of charges. so i think it's a smart. move to have a georgia experienced lawyer, _ move to have a georgia experienced lawyer, particularly— move to have a georgia experienced lawyer, particularly one _ move to have a georgia experienced lawyer, particularly one who - move to have a georgia experienced lawyer, particularly one who knows. lawyer, particularly one who knows the georgia — lawyer, particularly one who knows the georgia rico _ lawyer, particularly one who knows the georgia rico statute. - lawyer, particularly one who knows the georgia rico statute.— the georgia rico statute. yeah, well, the rico _ the georgia rico statute. yeah, well, the rico statute _ the georgia rico statute. yeah, well, the rico statute is - well, the rico statute is interesting because i was focusing yesterday on rudy giuliani, the former mayor of new york, who used as a federal prosecutor the rico law to chase the mob in new york and yet here he is ironically facing charges of using the same law. i here he is ironically facing charges of using the same law.— of using the same law. i mean it's definitely a _ of using the same law. i mean it's definitely a brazen _ of using the same law. i mean it's definitely a brazen charge. - of using the same law. i mean it's definitely a brazen charge. look, | of using the same law. i mean it'sj definitely 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there was a criminal enterprise which is - some problems proving there was a criminal enterprise which is what i criminal enterprise which is what you need. — criminal enterprise which is what you need. you _ criminal enterprise which is what you need, you need _ criminal enterprise which is what you need, you need a _ criminal enterprise which is what you need, you need a group - criminal enterprise which is what. you need, you need a group that's criminal enterprise which is what - you need, you need a group that's an ongoing _ you need, you need a group that's an ongoing threat — you need, you need a group that's an ongoing threat to _ you need, you need a group that's an ongoing threat to the _ you need, you need a group that's an ongoing threat to the public, - you need, you need a group that's an ongoing threat to the public, which . ongoing threat to the public, which is typically — ongoing threat to the public, which is typically a — ongoing threat to the public, which is typically a mafia _ ongoing threat to the public, which is typically a mafia family. - ongoing threat to the public, which is typically a mafia family. i - ongoing threat to the public, which is typically a mafia family. i think. is typically a mafia family. i think she might — is typically a mafia family. i think she might run— is typically a mafia family. i think she might run into— is typically a mafia family. i think she might run into some - is typically a mafia family. i think she might run into some hurdles| she might run into some hurdles saying _ she might run into some hurdles saying that — she might run into some hurdles saying that the _ she might run into some hurdles saying that the trump _ she might run into some hurdles saying that the trump campaign| she might run into some hurdles- saying that the trump campaign was in itsett— saying that the trump campaign was in itself a _ saying that the trump campaign was in itself a criminal— saying that the trump campaign was in itself a criminal enterprise - saying that the trump campaign was in itself a criminal enterprise that. in itself a criminal enterprise that we witi— in itself a criminal enterprise that we will see — in itself a criminal enterprise that we will see. the _ in itself a criminal enterprise that we will see. the courts _ in itself a criminal enterprise that we will see. the courts will- in itself a criminal enterprise that we will see. the courts will worki we will see. the courts will work that out, — we will see. the courts will work that out, but. _ we will see. the courts will work that out, but, yes, _ we will see. the courts will work that out, but, yes, there - we will see. the courts will work that out, but, yes, there is- we will see. the courts will work that out, but, yes, there is a - we will see. the courts will work. that out, but, yes, there is a sense of irony— that out, but, yes, there is a sense of irony here — that out, but, yes, there is a sense of irony here that _ that out, but, yes, there is a sense of irony here that that _ that out, but, yes, there is a sense of irony here that that one - that out, but, yes, there is a sense of irony here that that one point. of irony here that that one point rudy giuliani _ of irony here that that one point rudy giuliani was _ of irony here that that one point rudy giuliani was sort _ of irony here that that one point rudy giuliani was sort of - of irony here that that one point rudy giuliani was sort of the - of irony here that that one pointl rudy giuliani was sort of the face of truth _ rudy giuliani was sort of the face of truth and — rudy giuliani was sort of the face of truth and justice _ rudy giuliani was sort of the face of truth and justice at _ rudy giuliani was sort of the face of truth and justice at least - rudy giuliani was sort of the face of truth and justice at least for. of truth and justice at least for the republican— of truth and justice at least for the republican party. - of truth and justice at least for the republican party. and - of truth and justice at least for the republican party. and the| of truth and justice at least for- the republican party. and the fact that now _ the republican party. and the fact that now 20 — the republican party. and the fact that now 20 years _ the republican party. and the fact that now 20 years out _ the republican party. and the fact that now 20 years out of- the republican party. and the fact that now 20 years out of office, i the republican party. and the fact| that now 20 years out of office, he is a criminal— that now 20 years out of office, he is a criminal defendant _ that now 20 years out of office, he is a criminal defendant is - that now 20 years out of office, he is a criminal defendant is a - that now 20 years out of office, he is a criminal defendant is a pretty. is a criminal defendant is a pretty sad state — is a criminal defendant is a pretty sad state of— is a criminal defendant is a pretty sad state of affairs. _ is a criminal defendant is a pretty sad state of affairs. if— is a criminal defendant is a pretty sad state of affairs.— sad state of affairs. if these other eiuht sad state of affairs. if these other eight candidates _ sad state of affairs. if these other eight candidates are _ sad state of affairs. if these other eight candidates are to _ sad state of affairs. if these other eight candidates are to overcome | sad state of affairs. if these other. eight candidates are to overcome the seemingly insurmountable lead that donald trump has come of that head of a go about it? last night, the former governor of newjersey chris christie gave it a shot. we are going to take a brief moment and talk about the elephant not in the room. cheering. former president trump has been indicted in four different states on 91 counts. he will be processed tomorrow in georgia at the fulton countyjail for charges relating to the 2020 election loss. you all signed a pledge to support the eventual republican nominee. if former president trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice? please raise your hand if you would. cheering. just, hold on. so just to be clear, governor christie, you were kind of late to the game there, but you raised your hand? look, i'm doing this, not this. no, you didn't. well, look, here's the bottom line. someone's got to stop . normalising this conduct. 0k? applause and booing. and now whether or not, i whether or not you believe that the criminal charges are right or wrong, the conduct is beneathl the office of president of the united states. i and... applause and booing. and, you know, this is the great thing about this country. - booing is allowed, but itl doesn't change the truth. it doesn't change the truth. booing. the former governor of newjersey chris christie. i listened to one observer today saying he was the matador without a bull prancing men in tights without anyone to fight and instantly felt a bit like that because of course donald trump was not there. but i wonder when you watch that and the hands that went up watch that and the hands that went up whether in fact he was the winner. . , ., , winner. the hands that went up and down and sort _ winner. the hands that went up and down and sort of state _ winner. the hands that went up and down and sort of state in _ winner. the hands that went up and down and sort of state in the - winner. the hands that went up and | down and sort of state in the middle and it was a bizarre spectacle. i think, yeah, the two people who would have been quite happy are on the one hand joe biden and the other hand donald trump because i don't think anyone there really stood out as a threat to either of those people in a general election, to be honest. , , , , people in a general election, to be honest. , , , honest. does it surprise you looking from the outside _ honest. does it surprise you looking from the outside and, _ honest. does it surprise you looking from the outside and, in _ honest. does it surprise you looking from the outside and, in any - honest. does it surprise you looking from the outside and, in any other. from the outside and, in any other politics and any other country, a man that will be facing 91 indictments would be immediately discounted. how do you explain what is going on in the us to someone who is going on in the us to someone who is your student at king's college in london? ~ ,,:, , , ., is your student at king's college in london? ~ , , . :, london? absolutely is a price of me but i london? absolutely is a price of me but i suppose _ london? absolutely is a price of me but i suppose it _ london? absolutely is a price of me but i suppose it is _ london? absolutely is a price of me but i suppose it is the _ london? absolutely is a price of me but i suppose it is the logical- but i suppose it is the logical conclusion of the process of a draining of faith in the system. with as he were saying earlier donald trump supporters of people who were saying if washington has got it in for him, he must be doing something right and this is the erosion in faith you cannot date back two or three or four years, a long—term thing. what is happening in america is testament to the fact that ultimately the system needs to maintain good faith and trust of its citizens because of it does it, you will get this kind of polarisation and he will get this kind of what it is, antiestablishment candidate. chris bruce, democratic strategist, you talk a lot —— there was a talk with you about who the eventual nominee would be facing, joe biden, and a lot of talk notjust in the room there in milwaukee but in the interview donald trump gave it to her carlson about just interview donald trump gave it to her carlson aboutjust how frailjoe her carlson about just how frailjoe biden her carlson aboutjust how frailjoe biden is. in the absence of a standout candidate on the right, do you thinkjoe biden if the right candidate for the democrats? jae candidate for the democrats? joe biden is candidate for the democrats? joe biden is really the only candidate for the _ biden is really the only candidate for the democrats at this time. as much _ for the democrats at this time. as much as— for the democrats at this time. as much as a — for the democrats at this time. as much as a lead that for president donald _ much as a lead that for president donald trump has, presidentjoe biden— donald trump has, presidentjoe biden actually has a bigger lead over his — biden actually has a bigger lead over his other opponents right now. so if there _ over his other opponents right now. so if there is— over his other opponents right now. so if there is really not much of a choice _ so if there is really not much of a choice right— so if there is really not much of a choice right now in this 2—party system — choice right now in this 2—party system. right now it seems that president — system. right now it seems that presidentjoe biden former president donald _ presidentjoe biden former president donald trump will go back and go ahead _ donald trump will go back and go ahead and — donald trump will go back and go ahead and face off again next year. but as— ahead and face off again next year. but as he _ ahead and face off again next year. but as he said, people out here looking at fulton countyjail don't believe a pretty system and don't believe a pretty system and don't believe in any system, which is why they are root and branch behind donald trump. find they are root and branch behind donald trump.— they are root and branch behind donald trum. : ., �*, donald trump. and that's the thing. i was out there _ donald trump. and that's the thing. i was out there outside _ donald trump. and that's the thing. i was out there outside of— i was out there outside of wright street, _ i was out there outside of wright street, which is what we call in atlanta, — street, which is what we call in atlanta, is _ street, which is what we call in atlanta, is not typically call the fulton — atlanta, is not typically call the fulton countyjail, normally called i’i l ht fulton countyjail, normally called right straight and at wright street, you do— right straight and at wright street, you do have several people there who are in— you do have several people there who are in support of donald trump. i believe _ are in support of donald trump. i believe that republicans need to look back on their party and see what _ look back on their party and see what is — look back on their party and see what is wrong with it and make it real drastic — what is wrong with it and make it real drastic changes before it something does happen. and let you know up— something does happen. and let you know up front these people are in support— know up front these people are in support of— know up front these people are in support of donald trump. they are not protesting the intolerable conditions that are happening at fulton— conditions that are happening at fulton countyjail right now. so we do have _ fulton countyjail right now. so we do have a — fulton countyjail right now. so we do have a two—tiered system of justice — do have a two—tiered system of justice where you do have an individual— justice where you do have an individual who is going to walk in and walk— individual who is going to walk in and walk out while there are hundreds of individuals who were in that jail— hundreds of individuals who were in that jail right now who did not get that jail right now who did not get that privilege to do it. that's what we do _ that privilege to do it. that's what we do have — that privilege to do it. that's what we do have a two—tiered justice system — we do have a two—tiered justice system here in united states. the sheriff of system here in united states. ti9 sheriff of fulton county saying today he will treat everybody, all 19 defendants in this case, just the same as an ordinary defendant we see whether we get a moshe and finger prints tonight when donald trump appears. in the absence of a target on that stage milwaukee... they targeted thought it vivek ramaswamy, a ticket to being or who is been rising in the polls. ok, president trump, i believe, was the best president - of the 215t century. it's a fact. and chris christie, honest to god, your claim that donald trump - is motivated by vengeance - and grievance would be a lot more credible if your entire campaign were not based on vengeance l and grievance against one man. i'm incredibly proud of the record of the trump/pence administration. in four short years, we rebuilt our military, we revived our economy and we unleashed american energy. and we appointed three conservatives to the supreme court that gave the american people a new beginning for the right to life. when it comes to whether president trump should serve or not, i trust the american people, let them vote, let them decide. but what they will tell you is that it is time for a new generational conservative leader. this election is not - about january 6th of 2021, it's about january 20th of 2025, when the next president - is going to take office. i know what the democrats would like to do. _ they want to talk about all these other issues, but we've got - to focus on your future. we've got to focus on reversing of the decline of our country. . of course donald trump is the one that talks about january 2020 incessantly. ron christie, is vivek ramaswamy the future of the republican party? i ramaswamy the future of the republican party?— ramaswamy the future of the republican party? i think he could be fun to be _ republican party? i think he could be fun to be just _ republican party? i think he could be fun to be just turned _ republican party? i think he could be fun to be just turned 38 - republican party? i think he could be fun to be just turned 38 years | be fun to be just turned 38 years old and is nearly a billionaire. he is an entrepreneur both from an investment perspective as well as a biotech company. he has got a lot of time. look at it this way. you have 20 plus years for him to continue to grow and mature in the political process, and perhaps run for the state or senate in the state of ohio or run for other elected office. so, yes, i look at a person like this it was clearly an outsider, clearly has a lot to offer, clearly has a lot of energy and i think he is going to be someone we are going to be keeping our eyes on for the next several months as the republican primary process continues along down the road. he process continues along down the road. :, , :, process continues along down the road. ., ., ,~' ., ,:, process continues along down the road. ., ., ., . ., road. he was asked about climate chan . e road. he was asked about climate change last _ road. he was asked about climate change last night _ road. he was asked about climate change last night and _ road. he was asked about climate change last night and he - road. he was asked about climate change last night and he said - road. he was asked about climate change last night and he said is i change last night and he said is a hoax and we should drill more, frak more, drill more coal and put people injobs. that's red meat to the basement there are many young voters in america who were living this in real time for whom this is really important stuff. is that really the future of the party? i important stuff. is that really the future of the party?— important stuff. is that really the future of the party? i do. noted the difference with _ future of the party? i do. noted the difference with the _ future of the party? i do. noted the difference with the paris _ future of the party? i do. noted the difference with the paris climate - difference with the paris climate records, i believe i'm smart enough as a lawyer to know what i don't know. and i'm not a scientist, so i definitely don't know anything about all of that. yes, should we have more sustainable energy here in the us? should be find ways to extract that from the ground? absolutely. and i smart enough to recognise that we have to work with our scientific community not only here in the us but around the world to ascertain what is the best way that we can sustainably move our climate forward, our globe forward and do so in a healthy way. jae forward, our globe forward and do so in a healthy way-— in a healthy way. joe marino, a final point _ in a healthy way. joe marino, a final point on _ in a healthy way. joe marino, a final point on vivek— in a healthy way. joe marino, a i final point on vivek ramaswamy. he was the first to put his hand up that he would pardon donald trump if he was facing anyjail time. just talk to us about the legal point of that. i guess if donald trump himself was a candidate, he could pardon himself, correct?- himself was a candidate, he could pardon himself, correct? never been tried before — pardon himself, correct? never been tried before but _ pardon himself, correct? never been tried before but probably _ pardon himself, correct? never been tried before but probably could - tried before but probably could pardon — tried before but probably could pardon himself. more likely if the cases— pardon himself. more likely if the cases are — pardon himself. more likely if the cases are still ongoing, donald trump — cases are still ongoing, donald trump or— cases are still ongoing, donald trump or another republican could 'ust trump or another republican could just stop _ trump or another republican could just stop them in their tracks and that's— just stop them in their tracks and that's more — just stop them in their tracks and that's more likely because i don't think— that's more likely because i don't think these cases will be wrapped up try think these cases will be wrapped up by next _ think these cases will be wrapped up by next october. vivek ramaswamy, look, _ by next october. vivek ramaswamy, look. he's _ by next october. vivek ramaswamy, look, he's very glib, he's made a lot of— look, he's very glib, he's made a lot of money, and impressive guy but i do lot of money, and impressive guy but i do not _ lot of money, and impressive guy but i do not think he's a serious candidate _ i do not think he's a serious candidate for president. i think maybe — candidate for president. i think maybe ten years from now he could be, but _ maybe ten years from now he could be, but the — maybe ten years from now he could be, but the in his nod towards 9/11 conspiracies and his loyalty to donald — conspiracies and his loyalty to donald trump, i think those candidates need to get together and formally— candidates need to get together and formally say donald trump is in the future _ formally say donald trump is in the future of— formally say donald trump is in the future of their publican party and there _ future of their publican party and there might not be a legal solution but a _ there might not be a legal solution but a political solution. so i'm kind _ but a political solution. so i'm kind of— but a political solution. so i'm kind of turned off by vivek ramaswamy and his seeming devotion to donald _ ramaswamy and his seeming devotion to donald trump.— to donald trump. interesting. we will talk any _ to donald trump. interesting. we will talk any more _ to donald trump. interesting. we will talk any more about - to donald trump. interesting. we will talk any more about the - to donald trump. interesting. we i will talk any more about the debate any other candidates on stage left them as we focus on these pictures from fulton county, where we expect donald trump to appear in a couple of hours' time. he is dude to leave bedminster, newjersey, in the next 15 or 20 minutes we will see if we can catch a glimpse of the plane leaving newjersey, about a two hour and 50 minute flight to atlanta. but for the moment, we will take a quick break. let's look at some other stories making news. relatives of the father of sara sharif, whose death in the uk sparked an international manhunt, cannot be detained in pakistan by police for questioning on his whereabouts. the decision was made at the lahore high court. the body of ten—year—old sara was found at her family home in woking on the 10th of august, prompting a murder inquiry. an independent inquiry into the case of andrew marcus and has been ordered by the justice secretary after he spent years in prison for a rape he did not commit. the inquiry will look at the role of greater manchester police, the crimes prosecution service in the criminal cases review commission. two men have been arrested on suspicion of arson in connection with a fire at the crooked house pub in himley. once known as "britain's wonkiest" inn, it was set alight on the 5th of august, leaving it gutted. the men are being questioned about the blaze, which occurred just two weeks after the building was sold to a private buyer. two days later, it was demolished without permission. you're live with bbc news. the panel is with us and we are focusing on the expected appearance of donald trump in georgia in fulton county. we have been focusing in the rest of our news bulletins today on events in moscow, the death of yevgeny prigozhin yevgeny prigozhin. quite interesting last night listening to the panel in milwaukee to how many of them are opposed to spending more money on ukraine. and that will start the alarm bells, wanted, in kyiv? it that will start the alarm bells, wanted, in kyiv?— that will start the alarm bells, wanted, in kyiv? it will spark the alarm bells _ wanted, in kyiv? it will spark the alarm belts in — wanted, in kyiv? it will spark the alarm bells in kyiv _ wanted, in kyiv? it will spark the alarm bells in kyiv and _ wanted, in kyiv? it will spark the alarm bells in kyiv and in - wanted, in kyiv? it will spark the alarm bells in kyiv and in europe| wanted, in kyiv? it will spark the i alarm bells in kyiv and in europe to be properly honest. i was very struck by what vivek ramaswamy said about ukraine. what the west needs is a degree of consistency and coherence, the alarm bells to be ringing. as you said in the earlier segment, one of the problems for europeans when donald trump is even if we don't like his style, he quite often says things that are broadly right. and donald trump of course is the one who that of the debate about nato and burden sharing. i think the problem for europeans if you get a president like him or will these other republicans who is quite hawkish on the alliance with the americans are willing to do for europe is europeans do not contribute enough to after security at the moment and is a painful truth. so there are some difficult decisions in the sense of whoever wins the next presidency because washington's attitude towards burden sharing has shifted i think anyway. if one of those candidates wins, it will be alarm bells all over western europe. we will be alarm bells all over western euroe. ~ :, will be alarm bells all over western euroe. 9 ., , ., europe. we have focused through the week on the — europe. we have focused through the week on the bricks _ europe. we have focused through the week on the bricks summit, - europe. we have focused through the week on the bricks summit, which - week on the bricks summit, which is expanding today. six new members coming in. they are the counterbalance, i suppose coming to the washington led g7 and the international orders that washington has set out. and that is in american interests but the isolations and we saw in the first world war or second world war, if that were be repeated over ukraine, will be the ramifications of that? , 9, , ramifications of that? they would be chaos in the — ramifications of that? they would be chaos in the western _ ramifications of that? they would be chaos in the western camp - ramifications of that? they would be chaos in the western camp first - ramifications of that? they would be chaos in the western camp first and | chaos in the western camp first and foremost because for all the fact that europe is very close to ukraine, it is a us doing the bulk of the heavy lifting when it comes to economic assistance to ukraine. in that it is a difficult conversation for europeans to have. i think the problem at the moment is i think the problem at the moment is i think the problem at the moment is i think in western europe the palooka reaction is to basically cross your fingers and hope for the best rather than think in terms of what we can do practically event that we get someone like donald trump back in the white house. iklikki trump back in the white house. nikki hale , the trump back in the white house. nikki haley, the former— trump back in the white house. nikki haley, the former us ambassador, obviously has foreign policy on her son because she was deeply involved in the un in new york. she she impress you with what she was articulating?— impress you with what she was articulatin: ? ,, , , , articulating? she did impress me with the way _ articulating? she did impress me with the way she _ articulating? she did impress me with the way she attacked - articulating? she did impress me with the way she attacked vivekl with the way she attacked vivek ramaswamy, who had no for an experience _ ramaswamy, who had no for an experience it all. so nikki haley in her answers really showed why she was governor and while she was picked _ was governor and while she was picked to— was governor and while she was picked to represent the us at the un. picked to represent the us at the un let's — picked to represent the us at the un. let's be clear here. the security— un. let's be clear here. the security and sovereignty of ukraine deals _ security and sovereignty of ukraine deals with — security and sovereignty of ukraine deals with his security and sovereignty of europe which deals with security and sovereignty of the us and _ with security and sovereignty of the us and the — with security and sovereignty of the us and the rest of the world. when it comes _ us and the rest of the world. when it comes down to what is happening in russia _ it comes down to what is happening in russia and everywhere else, we need _ in russia and everywhere else, we need to— in russia and everywhere else, we need to be — in russia and everywhere else, we need to be very vigilant with how we defend _ need to be very vigilant with how we defend our— need to be very vigilant with how we defend our allies and defend others. no one _ defend our allies and defend others. no one wants an isolationist type point _ no one wants an isolationist type point of— no one wants an isolationist type point of view because we know that will lead _ point of view because we know that will lead to — point of view because we know that will lead to an eventual war that everyone — will lead to an eventual war that everyone will be brought into. and nikki _ everyone will be brought into. and nikki haley knows that and the others — nikki haley knows that and the others are on the station know that or they— others are on the station know that or they should know that. and if they— or they should know that. and if they don't— or they should know that. and if they don't know that, they really did not— they don't know that, they really did not need to be on that stage. in tenet did not need to be on that stage. tenet we did did not need to be on that stage. in tenet we did touch on some of the issues raised at the public and debate in milwaukee last night but this is the picture in bedminster, newjersey. this is the approach to newark airport and you can see some flashing blue lights they are in the distance and i'm guessing we will see some pictures from the apron of the airport in due time. and of course we will expect donald trump to be heading off in his donald trump plane to georgia in the next few minutes we will try and bring you some live pictures of that. joe, let's focus on what we're talking about tonight and what we are seeing and this is donald trump's case in fulton county. which one of these cases do you think of these four cases do you think of these four cases do you think of these four cases do you think takes precedence because clearly jack smith is clip pursuing two in federal court and this is a state case in which donald trump is appearing. so which comes first? ~ :,, trump is appearing. so which comes first? ,, , , , first? most likely is the first in order, first? most likely is the first in order. so _ first? most likely is the first in order, so the _ first? most likely is the first in order, so the more _ first? most likely is the first in order, so the more like - first? most likely is the first in order, so the more like a - first? most likely is the first in order, so the more like a case| first? most likely is the first in - order, so the more like a case which is actually— order, so the more like a case which is actually the — order, so the more like a case which is actually the new— order, so the more like a case which is actually the new york _ order, so the more like a case which is actually the new york case - order, so the more like a case which is actually the new york case first i is actually the new york case first but i _ is actually the new york case first but i did _ is actually the new york case first but i did say— is actually the new york case first but i did say the _ is actually the new york case first but i did say the first federal- is actually the new york case first but i did say the first federal casej but i did say the first federal case probably— but i did say the first federal case probably takes— but i did say the first federal case probably takes place _ but i did say the first federal case probably takes place which - but i did say the first federal case probably takes place which is the| probably takes place which is the case in _ probably takes place which is the case in mar—a—lago. _ probably takes place which is the case in mar—a—lago. that's - probably takes place which is the case in mar—a—lago. that's the l case in mar—a—lago. that's the strongest — case in mar—a—lago. that's the strongest case _ case in mar—a—lago. that's the strongest case from _ case in mar—a—lago. that's the strongest case from a - case in mar—a—lago. that's the strongest case from a legal - strongest case from a legal perspective _ strongest case from a legal perspective that's- strongest case from a legal perspective that's pretty i strongest case from a legal. perspective that's pretty solid. strongest case from a legal - perspective that's pretty solid. i have _ perspective that's pretty solid. i have a _ perspective that's pretty solid. i have a hard _ perspective that's pretty solid. i have a hard time _ perspective that's pretty solid. i have a hard time imagining - perspective that's pretty solid. i| have a hard time imagining what created — have a hard time imagining what created defences _ have a hard time imagining what created defences the _ have a hard time imagining what created defences the trump - have a hard time imagining whatl created defences the trump team have a hard time imagining what - created defences the trump team will come up _ created defences the trump team will come up with— created defences the trump team will come up with in— created defences the trump team will come up with in the _ come up with in the classified documents _ come up with in the classified documents case. _ come up with in the classified documents case. the - come up with in the classified documents case. the other. come up with in the classified . documents case. the other three come up with in the classified - documents case. the other three i think— documents case. the other three i think have — documents case. the other three i think have some _ documents case. the other three i think have some issues, _ documents case. the other three i think have some issues, and - documents case. the other three ii think have some issues, and added that we _ think have some issues, and added that we are — think have some issues, and added that we are going _ think have some issues, and added that we are going to _ think have some issues, and added that we are going to see _ think have some issues, and added that we are going to see trials - think have some issues, and added that we are going to see trials as i that we are going to see trials as early— that we are going to see trials as early as— that we are going to see trials as early as october— that we are going to see trials as early as october or— that we are going to see trials as early as october or december. that we are going to see trials as early as october or december or| early as october or december or january— early as october or december or january i— early as october or december or january i think _ early as october or december or january i think is _ early as october or december or january i think is ridiculous. - early as october or december or january i think is ridiculous. the| january i think is ridiculous. the number— january i think is ridiculous. the number of— january i think is ridiculous. the number of defendants, - january i think is ridiculous. the number of defendants, the - january i think is ridiculous. the . number of defendants, the number january i think is ridiculous. the - number of defendants, the number of issues _ number of defendants, the number of issues and _ number of defendants, the number of issues and frankly— number of defendants, the number of issues and frankly there _ number of defendants, the number of issues and frankly there are _ number of defendants, the number of issues and frankly there are some - issues and frankly there are some holes _ issues and frankly there are some holes in _ issues and frankly there are some holes in the — issues and frankly there are some holes in the prosecution - issues and frankly there are some holes in the prosecution theory i issues and frankly there are some holes in the prosecution theory in| holes in the prosecution theory in those _ holes in the prosecution theory in those cases— holes in the prosecution theory in those cases that _ holes in the prosecution theory in those cases that i _ holes in the prosecution theory in those cases that i think— holes in the prosecution theory in those cases that i think the - holes in the prosecution theory in i those cases that i think the defence are going _ those cases that i think the defence are going to— those cases that i think the defence are going to take _ those cases that i think the defence are going to take the _ those cases that i think the defence are going to take the task. - those cases that i think the defence are going to take the task. so i - are going to take the task. so i would — are going to take the task. so i would guess— are going to take the task. so i would guess of— are going to take the task. so i would guess of the _ are going to take the task. so i would guess of the first - are going to take the task. so i would guess of the first in - are going to take the task. so i would guess of the first in linei are going to take the task. so i - would guess of the first in line new york, _ would guess of the first in line new york, first — would guess of the first in line new york, first in — would guess of the first in line new york, first in strength— would guess of the first in line new york, first in strength and - would guess of the first in line new york, first in strength and when - would guess of the first in line new york, first in strength and when wej york, first in strength and when we will see _ york, first in strength and when we will see is— york, first in strength and when we will see is mar—a—lago. _ york, first in strength and when we will see is mar-a-lago._ will see is mar-a-lago. watching these pictures — will see is mar-a-lago. watching these pictures of— will see is mar-a-lago. watching these pictures of the _ will see is mar-a-lago. watching these pictures of the former - these pictures of the former president's convoy arriving in newark, newjersey and a reminder that even when a former president travels, the support of the secret service, they come heavy—handed and is probably why the processing tonight at the fulton county jail is probably why the processing tonight at the fulton countyjail is taking place as it is at 7:30pm in the evening to avoid sneering up snapping in atlanta, notoriously difficult traffic in atlanta at commuter times so that is why it is been scheduled for this particular period. just on this issue, the district attorney in fulton county, the housejudiciary committee said today they will lodge an inquiry into her actions, whether she was cordoning or communicating with the department ofjustice or using federalfunds to department ofjustice or using federal funds to complete her investigation. it is a familiar play but i just wonder investigation. it is a familiar play but ijust wonder if investigation. it is a familiar play but i just wonder if there but ijust wonder if there is democracy on the part of the republicans here that they are up in arms that lawyers are in court, lawyers are supported donald trump, and yet they are so prepared to investigate the investigator? i’m investigate the investigator? i'm not that comfortable, i agree, with congress _ not that comfortable, i agree, with congress trying _ not that comfortable, i agree, with congress trying to _ not that comfortable, i agree, with congress trying to insert _ not that comfortable, i agree, with congress trying to insert itself- congress trying to insert itself here — congress trying to insert itself here. normally— congress trying to insert itself here. normally when - congress trying to insert itself here. normally when you - congress trying to insert itself| here. normally when you have overlapping _ here. normally when you have overlapping charges _ here. normally when you have overlapping charges betweeni here. normally when you have . overlapping charges between the federal— overlapping charges between the federal and — overlapping charges between the federal and state _ overlapping charges between the federal and state government, i overlapping charges between the - federal and state government, there is some _ federal and state government, there is some coordination _ federal and state government, there is some coordination and _ federal and state government, there is some coordination and normally i is some coordination and normally one steps— is some coordination and normally one steps aside _ is some coordination and normally one steps aside for— is some coordination and normally one steps aside for the _ is some coordination and normally one steps aside for the other. - one steps aside for the other. typically— one steps aside for the other. typically the _ one steps aside for the other. typically the state _ one steps aside for the other. typically the state sets - one steps aside for the other. typically the state sets aside i one steps aside for the other. . typically the state sets aside for the federal— typically the state sets aside for the federal prosecutors, - typically the state sets aside for the federal prosecutors, and - typically the state sets aside for the federal prosecutors, and sol the federal prosecutors, and so that's— the federal prosecutors, and so that's normally— the federal prosecutors, and so that's normally what _ the federal prosecutors, and so that's normally what we - the federal prosecutors, and so that's normally what we would i the federal prosecutors, and so - that's normally what we would see. so there _ that's normally what we would see. so there is— that's normally what we would see. so there is a — that's normally what we would see. so there is a little _ that's normally what we would see. so there is a little bit _ that's normally what we would see. so there is a little bit of— so there is a little bit of overlapping _ so there is a little bit of overlapping here - so there is a little bit of. overlapping here between so there is a little bit of- overlapping here between the so there is a little bit of— overlapping here between the jack smith— overlapping here between the jack smith case — overlapping here between the jack smith case regarding _ overlapping here between the jack smith case regarding january - overlapping here between the jack smith case regarding january the i overlapping here between the jack. smith case regarding january the 6th and the _ smith case regarding january the 6th and the case — smith case regarding january the 6th and the case in— smith case regarding january the 6th and the case in georgia. _ smith case regarding january the 6th and the case in georgia. with- smith case regarding january the 6th and the case in georgia. with that i and the case in georgia. with that said, _ and the case in georgia. with that said. they— and the case in georgia. with that said. theyare— and the case in georgia. with that said, they are free _ and the case in georgia. with that said, they are free to _ and the case in georgia. with that said, they are free to do- and the case in georgia. with that said, they are free to do that - and the case in georgia. with that said, they are free to do that if. said, they are free to do that if it, said, they are free to do that if it. case — said, they are free to do that if it. case a — said, they are free to do that if it, case a calendar— said, they are free to do that if it, case a calendar or— said, they are free to do that if it, case a calendar or it back. said, they are free to do that if i it, case a calendar or it back think of a little — it, case a calendar or it back think of a little bit. _ it, case a calendar or it back think of a little bit, but _ it, case a calendar or it back think of a little bit, but to _ it, case a calendar or it back think of a little bit, but to try _ it, case a calendar or it back think of a little bit, but to try to - it, case a calendar or it back think of a little bit, but to try to make i of a little bit, but to try to make it a congressional— of a little bit, but to try to make it a congressional inquiry, we i of a little bit, but to try to make i it a congressional inquiry, we are piling _ it a congressional inquiry, we are piling politics _ it a congressional inquiry, we are piling politics politics— it a congressional inquiry, we are piling politics politics and - it a congressional inquiry, we are piling politics politics and at - it a congressional inquiry, we are piling politics politics and at thisl piling politics politics and at this point, _ piling politics politics and at this point, i— piling politics politics and at this point, ithink— piling politics politics and at this point, i think we _ piling politics politics and at this point, i think we need _ piling politics politics and at this point, i think we need to - piling politics politics and at this point, i think we need to let- piling politics politics and at this point, i think we need to let the| point, i think we need to let the cases— point, i think we need to let the cases were _ point, i think we need to let the cases were themselves - point, i think we need to let the cases were themselves out. - point, i think we need to let the cases were themselves out. i i point, i think we need to let the i cases were themselves out. i don't cases were themselves out. idon't think— cases were themselves out. i don't think congress _ cases were themselves out. i don't think congress has _ cases were themselves out. idon't think congress has any— cases were themselves out. i don't think congress has any role - cases were themselves out. i don't think congress has any role in - think congress has any role in intervening _ think congress has any role in intervening year. _ think congress has any role in intervening year. li— think congress has any role in intervening year.— think congress has any role in intervening year. think congress has any role in intervenin: ear. , ., intervening year. a quick pause and we are watching _ intervening year. a quick pause and we are watching pictures _ intervening year. a quick pause and we are watching pictures from - we are watching pictures from bedminster, newjersey, and we will continue to keep you up—to—date with donald trump's movements and we are right back. hello there. it's the final week of summer 2023, and it does look as though the season is determined to go out on a rather unsettled note. but that said, it's not always going to be raining. we have low pressure in charge at the minute. in the coming days, it will be producing some downpours which could be heavy and thundery, but not always. there will be sunshine to enjoy as well. so through this evening, we have an area of low pressure still in charge towards the north—west. that's set to bring rain to western areas of scotland and a few spots of rain for northern ireland as well. but elsewhere, for much of england and wales, it's a largely dry picture. and for many of us tonight with clear skies, it is going to be cooler. last night, temperatures stayed for most in and around the low teens, but some spots tonight will dip into the single digits. so a cooler start to tomorrow, but because of those clear skies, a largely dry start first thing. and there should be some good amounts of sunshine to enjoy during the first part of the day as well. northerly winds will develop, keeping it feeling a little bit cooler and fresher towards the north and the west, with some outbreaks of rain here. some scattered showers develop elsewhere through the day, and there is the potential that some of those will be heavy with some thunder and lightning. and towards the south—east, the temperatures start to fall back to normal for the time of year. 21 degrees in london. that's down by about five degrees on today. into saturday, where the low pressure stays with us, those northerly winds keeping it cooler and fresher towards the north and the west with a few spots of rain. as the day gets going, we're going to see scattered showers popping up, and when they do, they could well be very heavy. some thunder and lightning likely to be in the mix as well, but there will be sunshine in between those showers. so it's not always going to be raining through the day on saturday. into sunday, we have another weather system in the atlantic, and that's going to move in slowly. as it does so, bringing a lot of cloud, and there will be a good bit of rain coming into northern ireland. as that system nudges eastwards, it will begin to fizzle out, but bringing a lot of cloud to many other areas of the uk. it's bank holiday monday for many of us, and that does look as though it will be a fairly decent day for many. largely dry, some sunshine coming and going. so, into sunday, a little bit unsettled the further north and west. for monday, there will be a lot of dry weather and some sunshine for quite a few of us. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. preparing to leave. where he will surrender to the sheriff at fulton county jail surrender to the sheriff at fulton countyjail house. i am joined by chris bruce, attorney and political strategist and professor anand menon, director of uk in a changing europe. and joe marino, we are following events live. outside the fulton county jail house for us this evening, carl nast men. as we watch these pictures from newark, new jersey, just give us a flavour of the timetable tonight and how quickly this will be done at fulton countyjail quickly this will be done at fulton county jail house. itrefoil quickly this will be done at fulton county jail house.— county jail house. well it's been really interesting _ county jail house. well it's been really interesting to _ county jail house. well it's been really interesting to see - county jail house. well it's been really interesting to see about i county jail house. well it's been i really interesting to see about the timing. so, many of these codefendants all except for one have already negotiated they are terms of relief which is called a bond agreement,

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